CDZ Do you consider a country free when 62% of its people are afraid to express an opinion? Simple Yes or NO please.

[dblack]

I said nothing of government. I asked you what we, normal people should do, when we are being bullied and oppressed.

Yep. And I answered, anything they want as long as they don't resort to violence. You're pretty liberal with your usage of "bullied" and "oppressed". If your boss won't do things your way, that's not "oppression". That's a difference of opinion and your boss prevails.

Maybe I'm just not clear on what you're after. Do you really want advice on how to deal with bullies? Or are you trying to make some kind of political point? I assume the latter, but it's not clear to me what you're getting at.

 

[Correll]

Yep. And I answered, anything they want as long as they don't resort to violence. You're pretty liberal with your usage of "bullied" and "oppressed". If your boss won't do things your way, that's not "oppression". That's a difference of opinion and your boss prevails.

Maybe I'm just not clear on what you're after. Do you really want advice on how to deal with bullies? Or are you trying to make some kind of political point? I assume the latter, but it's not clear to me what you're getting at.

How would you feel if we just returned the favor and all MAGA employers started canning all workers that HAD pronouns and expected people to "respect" them?

 

[GLASNOST]

So, what are normal, good people supposed to do to fight such bullying?

Use only "you" instead. Or "that one" with your finger.

Not a very good answer. Not nearly good enough.

Do you appreciate my effort? Anyway, it works for me.

Becasue you don't give a **** if normal people are bullied by weirdos.

What a very odd response. You aksed for advice. I'm trying to help you. If you don't really want help I guess it's OK with me.

 

[Correll]

What a very odd response. You aksed for advice. I'm trying to help you. If you don't really want help I guess it's OK with me.

Your "advice" was to just take it like bitches.

That is not real advice. That is you just not caring about bullying and oppression, and good people being hurt for no reason.

 

[GLASNOST]

Your "advice" was to just take it like bitches.

That is not real advice. That is you just not caring about bullying and oppression, and good people being hurt for no reason.

What a strange attitude you have.

 

[dblack]

How would you feel if we just returned the favor and all MAGA employers started canning all workers that HAD pronouns and expected people to "respect" them?

If that's how someone wants to run their company, it's their call.

I should clarify that I'm speaking here strictly in the context of legislation - whether it should be legal or not. Because that's usually the question lurking when people complain about it. But I don't see this kind of micro-management as a good way to run a business. And depending on how egregious it is, I'd boycott companies who pushed it. I certainly wouldn't work for them.

Here's the thing, what's obvious from your context and tone: you all see this as a culture war between the left and the right. TIt-for-tat and revenge seem like your primary motivations - "How would you feel if we just returned the favor ...". Partisan culture warriors indulge a cycle of revenge via government. "If you **** us over with laws we don't like, we're going to **** you over with laws you don't like!!". It's not enough to get rid of the bad laws, you want to push your own bad laws to get back at the "other side". That's petty and destructive. It's killing freedom and creating totalitarian government. Please stop.

 

[dblack]

Your "advice" was to just take it like bitches.

What action do YOU think is warranted? What are you planning to do besides "take it like bitches"?

 

[Meister]

I think that would be an asinine thing for an employer to do, but yes, I support their right to do that. If it's at-will employment, I support an employer's right to fire someone for any reason they want. They shouldn't need permission from the government.

Yup, a private company that has no government contracts should be able to
fire anyone for any reason, other than he/she is black.

 

[Correll]

If that's how someone wants to run their company, it's their call.

I find it unlikely that that would be your actual position, if or when we start doing that.

I should clarify that I'm speaking here strictly in the context of legislation - whether it should be legal or not. Because that's usually the question lurking when people complain about it. But I don't see this kind of micro-management as a good way to run a business. And depending on how egregious it is, I'd boycott companies who pushed it. I certainly wouldn't work for them.

Here's the thing, what's obvious from your context and tone: you all see this as a culture war between the left and the right. TIt-for-tat and revenge seem like your primary motivations - "How would you feel if we just returned the favor ...". Partisan culture warriors indulge a cycle of revenge via government. "If you ** us over with laws we don't like, we're going to ** you over with laws you don't like!!". It's not enough to get rid of the bad laws, you want to push your own bad laws to get back at the "other side". That's petty and destructive. It's killing freedom and creating totalitarian government. Please stop.

I'll stop when they stop waging war on me.

Until then, the sides are real and I want my side to win. Because the other side wants me to "die out", and are willing to take strong steps to do so.

 

[Correll]

What action do YOU think is warranted? What are you planning to do besides "take it like bitches"?

I'm not sure. I know that we need some answer. We cannot let them march though the institutions and wage their campaigns against us, while we do nothing to defend ourselves or fight back.

 

[PeterPilot]

of course it is.

People can CHOOSE whether or not so say what they want.

But if they are prosecuted and imprisoned for making a politically incorrect statement, are they really free?

Isn't that "under duress" in legal parlance?

 

[dblack]

But if they are prosecuted and imprisoned for making a politically incorrect statement, are they really free?

Nope. But there's equivocation going on here. Some people are complaining about bosses making decisions they don't like, which violates no one's free speech rights.

 

[Hector12]

From the McCarthy Era to the Communist Tet Offensive in Vietnam in 1968 it was dangerous in the United States to criticize capitalism, advocate socialism, or to say anything good about any Communist country.

When the War in Vietnam became unpopular people realized that these restrictions on free discussion let to Americas involvement in the War in Vietnam.

Now it is dangerous to attribute racial differences in average ability levels and average behavior to genetic differences.