Do you believe in Democracy? Ukrainian edition

[Missourian]

This sounds to me like, whoever was in charge of taking the satellite images, did a poor job of it. Either he didn't zoom in enough (Keep in mind that I am speaking as a complete layperson, I have no military experience, but I hope you get my point), which would explain why the river was only a foot deep, or he didn't take enough images, or some other kind of error resulting from the human operator.

I am not saying that satint is superior to humint or anything, I am just saying that, when you say "Satint can never replace Humint", which sounds to me like, we should always complement Satint with Humit. There is nothing wrong with this, but it kind of makes me wonder, if we always have to combine Satint with Humint, what's the point of developing Satint, then? Isn't the point of developing Satint, so that we can protect human lives, you know, not having to send actual soldiers to scout out areas and stuff like that?

We were set up. That was the point of the exercise. The Army wanted to burn it into our psyches...don't make assumptions you don't have to. If you have the assets on the ground, and the time, use them. Only make assumptions when there is no other alternative.

 

[MayorQuimby]

The latest is the superpower with the most and the best drones and the most and best unstoppable missiles.

What a superpower isn't anymore is one with a large navy of sitting ducks. Make any sense to you?

If there's a war started by America against Russia, Iran, and the Brics, America may be a superpower for about 15 minutes.

Do you think that the Zionist regime can still attack Iran and survive? I think that's the best question to entertain now.

"Zioinist regime" OMG hotness, Donald!!

Btw, I think that if Israel really tried to attack Iran, Iran would get support from Russia and of course, Israel would get support from the US, as well. It would probably be an even match. I also don't get why you think Israel wouldn't survive. I am not saying Israel is a super power or anything, but Iran doesn't look like it has anything to me.

 

[Donald H]

Russia isn't defeating the Ukraine, they're defeating America. We're already witnessing America's military might!

 

[MayorQuimby]

Russia isn't defeating the Ukraine, they're defeating America. We're already witnessing America's military might!

There is a little bit of that, but I think motivation also counts.

This war is a lot more important to Putin than it is to Trump/Americans. American soldiers don't really care about that area that much, whereas Russians/Putin really do.

 

[Donald H]

There is a little bit of that, but I think motivation also counts.

This war is a lot more important to Putin than it is to Trump/Americans. American soldiers don't really care about that area that much, whereas Russians/Putin really do.

Americans are still mostly denying that it's America's against Russia, with the expressed reason of breaking up Russia. How can there ever be a discussion as long as that fact is still rejected?

And remember before arguing it's not true, that Trump blew the whistle on Biden over that question.

 

[MayorQuimby]

Americans are still mostly denying that it's America's against Russia, with the expressed reason of breaking up Russia. How can there ever be a discussion as long as that fact is still rejected?

And remember before arguing it's not true, that Trump blew the whistle on Biden over that question.

I am not doubting you, but if you mean that the US is explicitly saying that she wants to break up Russia, that's incredibly serious, and there would be a much much bigger war. That's almost like declaring war on Russia. Actually, it would be.

 

[Donald H]

There is a little bit of that, but I think motivation also counts.

This war is a lot more important to Putin than it is to Trump/Americans. American soldiers don't really care about that area that much, whereas Russians/Putin really do.

I think you're probably right on the motivation of the soldiers.

I'm not sure whether it's more important to the Kremlin compared to the Pentagon. It's essential for America to win too. There's probably not going to be another opportunity for the US with favourable odds.

 

[Donald H]

I am not doubting you, but if you mean that the US is explicitly saying that she wants to break up Russia, that's incredibly serious, and there would be a much much bigger war. That's almost like declaring war on Russia. Actually, it would be.

So I guess we agree.

A much larger war?

One that includes China, Russia, and Iran?

Or nuclear as the last kick at the cat?

Would any of the big players go nuclear before accepting defeat?

 

[MayorQuimby]

So I guess we agree.

A much larger war?

One that includes China, Russia, and Iran?

Or nuclear as the last kick at the cat?

Would any of the big players go nuclear before accepting defeat?

I can see that you're drinking again.

What I am trying to say is, I highly doubt that US is openly stating that she wants to break up Russia. Because, if she did, there would be a huge war immediately. But there isn't. Therefore, I am pretty sure she didn't say that. Again, not saying that I doubt you. I am just stating my observation.

 

[JWBooth]

So I guess we agree.

A much larger war?

One that includes China, Russia, and Iran?

Or nuclear as the last kick at the cat?

Would any of the big players go nuclear before accepting defeat?

If the carriers start disappearing beneath the waves the pressure on Trump will be too great not to let the ball go up.

 

[Donald H]

If the carriers start disappearing beneath the waves the pressure on Trump will be too great not to let the ball go up.

I only disagree on Trump being allowed to make any decisions.

All the shots will be called by normal Generals in the Pentagon.

 

[Donald H]

I can see that you're drinking again.

What I am trying to say is, I highly doubt that US is openly stating that she wants to break up Russia. Because, if she did, there would be a huge war immediately. But there isn't. Therefore, I am pretty sure she didn't say that. Again, not saying that I doubt you. I am just stating my observation.

Trump openly said it.

When you suggest I've been drinking, the discussion ends.

 

[sartre play]

FREEDOM, FROM ANY ONE MANS RULE. What's it worth???

 

[MayorQuimby]

Trump openly said it.

When you suggest I've been drinking, the discussion ends.

Haha, sorry Donald, I was just joking. Please don't leave the discussion, I like talking to you.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

I think this all comes down to two things, Sevastopol and Russia's natural gas monopoly.

Syria, Libya, Iran and Iraq as satellite countries also served this purpose. And as those satellites have fallen, the grasp on that monopoly becomes weaker and weaker.

Without the natural gas and natural resource currency and security that Russia leverages, they will eventually be reduced to a third world country and Europe will consume them.

Russia lobbies to get Maidan elected to secure the lease on Servastopol and to block Ukraine from joining NATO.

Western powers masterminded the overthrow of Maidan.

Russia took Crimea. And that would have been that. Russia could safely project naval power and export goods into the Black Sea.

But Ukraine cut off the fresh water supply to Crimea... and that led to the invasion.

That's my take.

Ohhh. How did they cut off the water?

 

[Doc7505]

Agree.

I don't agree with this.

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Why then?
Estonia, Latvia, Moldova and other Baltic states including Poland, are concerned about a potential Russian takeover, especially if Russia succeeds in Ukraine. Intelligence reports indicate that a pause in the Ukraine conflict could allow Russia to strengthen its military presence near NATO countries, increasing the threat to Latvia and its neighbors.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/26/europe/moldova-transnistria-russia-tensions-explainer-intl/

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If Ukraine falls, ‘Baltic states will be next’, says Russia’s former PM

Russia’s war in Ukraine may last for up to two years and if the country falls, Moscow may then attack the Baltic states,...

www.lrt.lt

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As the Baltics "Putin-proof", are they really Russia's next move?

The countries on Nato's eastern flank are preparing for the possibility of being targeted by Russia

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Doc7505]

I wish you were wrong but now that we are a member of NATO my wish will be ignored.

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A little late for the term, "Now that we are a member of NATO."

The Founding of NATO​

The North Atlantic Treaty Organisation was founded on April 4th, 1949.​

The Founding of NATO | History Today

www.historytoday.com

The North Atlantic Treaty, signed by twelve nations on a Monday afternoon in Washington DC, saw the United States accept the lead in the free world's postwar resistance to Communist aggression and subversion. Unprecedented in American peacetime history, it was the product of more than a year of political and diplomatic activity in which leading roles were played by Senator Vandenberg and General Marshall of the United States, Ernest Bevin of Britain and Lester Pearson of Canada.

 

[Doc7505]

Ohhh. How did they cut off the water?

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Ukraine cut off water to Crimea by damming the North Crimean Canal in 2014, shortly after Russia's annexation of the peninsula. This action significantly reduced the water supply, which had previously provided about 85% of Crimea's fresh water.
Read more:

What’s up with the Crimea water crisis? (EXPLAINER) - Mar. 26, 2021

Since Russia annexed Crimea in 2014, pro-Kremlin media has been fueling the belief that Ukraine’s closure of the… - Mar. 26, 2021. By Anastasiia Lapatina

archive.kyivpost.com

 

[Missourian]

Ohhh. How did they cut off the water?

They built a Dam...


"Shortly after Russia’s annexation of Crimea in 2014, Ukraine built a concrete dam cutting off 85 percent of the peninsula’s water supply. So one of Moscow’s first strategic moves after invading the country (three years ago) was to blow it up.

Ukraine had constructed the dam on the North Crimean Canal, a Soviet-era conduit that conveyed water from the Dnieper River to both Crimea and the Kherson region of Ukraine."

https://thehill.com/policy/equilibrium-sustainability/597910-how-a-ukrainian-dam-played-a-key-role-in-tensions-with/

 

[Missourian]

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Why then?
Estonia, Latvia, Moldova and other Baltic states including Poland, are concerned about a potential Russian takeover, especially if Russia succeeds in Ukraine. Intelligence reports indicate that a pause in the Ukraine conflict could allow Russia to strengthen its military presence near NATO countries, increasing the threat to Latvia and its neighbors.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/26/europe/moldova-transnistria-russia-tensions-explainer-intl/

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If Ukraine falls, ‘Baltic states will be next’, says Russia’s former PM

Russia’s war in Ukraine may last for up to two years and if the country falls, Moscow may then attack the Baltic states,...

www.lrt.lt

xxxxxxxxxx​

As the Baltics "Putin-proof", are they really Russia's next move?

The countries on Nato's eastern flank are preparing for the possibility of being targeted by Russia

www.bbc.co.uk

It's just propaganda to stir up support for the war.

Russia is in no position to attack a NATO country. They can barely handle a non-Nato aligned country.

Did you read the post about the T-14s? In eleven years they've managed to build 14 of them.. Maybe a couple more. Maybe less.

Tiny Latvia has more M1A1 Abrams advanced main battle tanks than the entirely of Russian forces has T-14s.

And they just received a shipment of POLISH main battle tanks to boot.

Look familiar?