Do you believe in Democracy? Ukrainian edition

[EvilCat Breath]

If 69% of Ukrainians want this war to end in a negotiated peace, it will end even if Ukrainians have to assassinate Zelensky to do it.

 

[GLASNOST]

Facts. Honestly, I believe that Europe, for all their talk, are smart enough to see that a war with Russia is a no win situation.

I'm pretty sure you are right. It seems to me that the EU has seen too many Hollywood films about the US storming the beaches to rescue Europe. I have no problem with the EU having an imagination but what they fail to understand is that the US was justified in lending a hand back then. There are two things to argue:

1). Would they be justified in fighting FOR something [Ukraine]? The answer is

2). Would they be justifed in fighting AGAINST something [Russia]? The answer is

Without US backing the EU will end up a smolding cinder with no government to build back up again and tripping over our own feet to learn how to speak Russian as fast as we can. It's much smarter to take our noses out of it and be friends with Trump instead. Anyway, we already speak English.

 

[Missourian]

If 69% of Ukrainians want this war to end in a negotiated peace, it will end even if Ukrainians have to assassinate Zelensky to do it.

Let's hope it doesn't come to that.

 

[JWBooth]

President Diem your office called.

 

[MayorQuimby]

I'll be very angry if that happens. I am a war veteran myself and I do not want to see any of my 3 sons go through that shit.

Of course you don't; they're your sons, they carry your genes. But, your politicians don't care. Your sons are not their sons, so they have no problem sending them to fight in a war. If your sons die, your genes are lost. But these politicians' genes aren't lost.

 

[GLASNOST]

Of course you don't; they're your sons, they carry your genes. But, your politicians don't care. Your sons are not their sons, so they have no problem sending them to fight in a war. If your sons die, your genes are lost. But these politicians' genes aren't lost.

I wish you were wrong but now that we are a member of NATO my wish will be ignored.

 

[Missourian]

I'm pretty sure you are right. It seems to me that the EU has seen too many Hollywood films about the US storming the beaches to rescue Europe. I have no problem with the EU having an imagination but what they fail to understand is that the US was justified in lending a hand back then. There are two things to argue:

1). Would they be justified in fighting FOR something [Ukraine]? The answer is

2). Would they be justifed in fighting AGAINST something [Russia]? The answer is

Without US backing the EU will end up a smolding cinder with no government to build back up again and tripping over our own feet to learn how to speak Russian as fast as we can. It's much smarter to take our noses out of it and be friends with Trump instead. Anyway, we already speak English.

If Doc7505 is correct and Europe can't field a significant fighting force, it's worse than I imagined.

I suspect Europe could defeat Russia's Army, based on how the Ukrainian have stymied the Russians for three years. I wrongly predicted the Russian Army would steamroll the Ukrainians.

Ukraine has done a magnificent and courageous job of making Russia pay in blood and treasure for every foot of Ukrainian territory.

But so long as Russian resolve holds, the outcome was inevitable. The only hope was attrition weakening Russian resolve, and that hasn't happened.

Russia's sunk cost now prohibits retreat. They cannot lose face in front of the world or especially their own people. Russia is far too invested to allow for defeat.

That's my take.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Let's hope it doesn't come to that.

Let's hope. But the minute the war ends is the minute Olena's ski vacations are over.

 

[MayorQuimby]

I hate to say this, but the half-Irish Jew-lover is right.

If Doc7505 is correct and Europe can't field a significant fighting force, it's worse than I imagined.

I suspect Europe could defeat Russia's Army, based on how the Ukrainian have stymied the Russians for three years. I wrongly predicted the Russian Army would steamroll the Ukrainians.

Ukraine has done a magnificent and contagious job of making Russia pay in blood and treasure for every foot of Ukrainian territory.

But so long as Russian resolve holds, the outcome was inevitable. The only hope was attrition weakening Russian resolve, and that hasn't happened.

Russia's sunk cost now prohibits retreat. They cannot lose face in front of the world or especially their own people. Russia is far too invested to allow for defeat.

That's my take.

I'm pretty sure that's cause your country keeps giving them money and tech.

 

[GLASNOST]

If Doc7505 is correct and Europe can't field a significant fighting force, it's worse than I imagined.

I suspect Europe could defeat Russia's Army, based on how the Ukrainian have stymied the Russians for three years. I wrongly predicted the Russian Army would steamroll the Ukrainians.

Ukraine has done a magnificent and contagious job of making Russia pay in blood and treasure for every foot of Ukrainian territory.

But so long as Russian resolve holds, the outcome was inevitable. The only hope was attrition weakening Russian resolve, and that hasn't happened.

Russia's sunk cost now prohibits retreat. They cannot lose face in front of the world or especially their own people. Russia is far too invested to allow for defeat.

That's my take.

You have been fed a whole lot of lies and bullshit. It saddens me to realize that you might have believed all of that crap. If you like I can link you in the direction of more honest media but if you'd rather stick with the sources you have now then I don't want to upset you.

 

[Missourian]

You have been fed a whole lot of lies and bullshit. It saddens me to realize that you might have believed all of that crap. If you like I can link you in the direction of more honest media but if you'd rather stick with the sources you have now then I don't want to upset you.

I calls them as I sees them... but granted my military expertise is decades out of date. Soviet Order of Battle is not Russian Order of Battle and a Soviet Motorized Rifle Battalion is not a Russian Motorized Rifle Battalion. But T-72s are still T-72, BTRs are still BTRs and 152mm self propelled artillery is still 152mm self propelled artillery.

Let's qualify it thusly... for an American, my former knowledge and military education during the Cold War gives me a higher degree of insight than the average American. But, that knowledge is also significantly dated.

I expected that the Army without the Party would have improved due to martial meritocracy supplanting doctrinal yes-men, increasing force multipliers.

That optimistic assessment was apparently misplaced.

 

[Missourian]

I'm pretty sure that's cause your country keeps giving them money and tech.

Nobody likes a bully.

 

[MayorQuimby]

Nobody likes a bully.

Not sure what you are trying to say, freckle boy. You mean that Putin was the aggressor?

Anyway, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter who started shit, I just don't understand why US has to involve herself in foreign wars. Yeah I get it, the current climate is that it is perfectly acceptable, and sometimes even desirable, to go overseas and meddle in other countries' affairs. It seems that people are very stupid and easily fooled by their politicians. These politicians keep their own offspring safely secured in some mansion, and they send other people's children to die in a war thousands of miles away. And people believe that they are doing the "right" thing. I cannot believe the stupidity of it all.

 

[Missourian]

Not sure what you are trying to say, freckle boy. You mean that Putin was the aggressor?

Yes, Russia invaded Ukraine. They are the aggressors.

The US sold Ukraine munitions in exchange for mineral rights. I have no issue with that.

 

[MayorQuimby]

Yes, Russia invaded Ukraine. They are the aggressors.

I don't want to get into a huge drawn-out debate but: I am pretty sure Putin invaded Ukraine as a response to NATO aggression.

 

[luiza]

I'm pretty sure you are right. It seems to me that the EU has seen too many Hollywood films about the US storming the beaches to rescue Europe. I have no problem with the EU having an imagination but what they fail to understand is that the US was justified in lending a hand back then. There are two things to argue:

1). Would they be justified in fighting FOR something [Ukraine]? The answer is

2). Would they be justifed in fighting AGAINST something [Russia]? The answer is

Without US backing the EU will end up a smolding cinder with no government to build back up again and tripping over our own feet to learn how to speak Russian as fast as we can. It's much smarter to take our noses out of it and be friends with Trump instead. Anyway, we already speak English.

Complex .
But the three Chabad members will sort it to maximum Deep State satisfaction ---but consistent with leaving the opportunity for more wars -- be they connected to current Ukraine, or , as a trade - off for a defined Middle East position within the Greater Israel project .

You simply have three Theatre players acting their roles with a script that the Sheeple Herd still has not fathomed .

I continue to believe that it remains the case that the US will be bankrupted with a new structure emerging .

 

[OldFlame]

I hate to say this, but the half-Irish Jew-lover is right.



I'm pretty sure that's cause your country keeps giving them money and tech.

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Thread 'What do you think is the reason for me not being able to find a boyfriend'

Aug 4, 2025

Aside from my looks, which, really aren't terrible. I am not saying I am hot, I am not, but I really don't think I am hideous, either. So I don't think it has to do with my looks.

So, based on the way I act, do you think there is something about me that puts men off? What do you think of me and my behaviors/personality? If you have any advice for me, what will it be? If I were an OK-looking woman in real life, would you date me based on my personality?

Thanks in advance

• MayorQuimby
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[MayorQuimby]

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Thread 'What do you think is the reason for me not being able to find a boyfriend'

Aug 4, 2025

Aside from my looks, which, really aren't terrible. I am not saying I am hot, I am not, but I really don't think I am hideous, either. So I don't think it has to do with my looks.

So, based on the way I act, do you think there is something about me that puts men off? What do you think of me and my behaviors/personality? If you have any advice for me, what will it be? If I were an OK-looking woman in real life, would you date me based on my personality?

Thanks in advance

• MayorQuimby
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• Forum: General Discussion

Lmao!

Triggered you so badly that you went around digging up my threads.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

[Missourian]

I don't want to get into a huge drawn-out debate but: I am pretty sure Putin invaded Ukraine as a response to NATO aggression.

I think an argument could be made that Russia reacted to the POTENTIAL of being surrounded by NATO countries and they felt they needed to proactively cushion their border and secure their warm water port... I've made that argument myself.

But that doesn't absolve them of launching an unprovoked war of aggression that is responsible for escalating a regional conflict to all out conventional war that has cost hundreds of thousands of lives.

There has to be a better way.

 

[GLASNOST]

..... If you like I can link you in the direction of more honest media but if you'd rather stick with the sources you have now then I don't want to upset you.

I calls them as I sees them...

Then I suppose you should run with it.

but granted my military expertise is decades out of date.

As is mine.

..... my former knowledge and military education during the Cold War gives me a higher degree of insight ...

My former military education relies on propaganda alone, however my Cold War knowledge is based (mostly) upon personal experience. I have been to every East and West European nation through the Cold War and I actually lived in Berlin during that time. My military experience was 1965-1968 (Vietnam 1966-67) and although I was employed with the RAF in Berlin in the late 1970s I was, none-the-less a civilian there. Actually, none of this offers any qualification for this subject. What I think is much more insightful is the fact that I am European and I live here. I have personal experience in every one of the countries involved in this Russia-Ukraine-EU-US mish-mash. Then, of course, there are the sources of real time reports. Does that carry any weight? Maybe not but it cannot be pushed aside by contradictory Western MSM. Why do I say that? Because my preferred sources motivate their findings ..... that is to say, once explained it makes sense. The Western media is mostly fist-pounding on tables and "ignore the lies we've been telling you" since the end of WW II.

At the end of all of this we will have said everything we want to say and we will be left with "my source" against "your source". Right?