Do You Believe In Civil Rights?

[Doc1]

Why do so many of you equate civil rights with "doing something that only benefits black people?"

First define what you mean by "Civil Rights".

 

[tycho1572]

8 years of Obama has set us back 30+. It's why we're talking about it again.

 

[the watcher]

Pass the Civil Responsibilities Act of 2017. See if that works.

 

[MarcATL]

Another far left debunked analogy being used!

Yes they can do that, just they will pay price for doing so!

More far left propaganda to avoid the fact the Op cheers for dead cops!

Sir, are you able to describe a scenario in which an individuals screams "Fire!" in a crowded room where there is none? What would be the result of that?

And when you say "pay the price for doing so", what exactly do you mean?

 

[MarcATL]

This is not a court of law!

And you have cheered for dead cops!

Your honor notice how the OP does not deny it!

See they believe that cops do not have civil rights!

Kosh, this seriously made me laugh. Well, it gave me a hearty chuckle.

Didn't know you had a sense of humor.

Thanks.

 

[Kosh]

Another far left debunked analogy being used!

Yes they can do that, just they will pay price for doing so!

More far left propaganda to avoid the fact the Op cheers for dead cops!

Sir, are you able to describe a scenario in which an individuals screams "Fire!" in a crowded room where there is none? What would be the result of that?

And when you say "pay the price for doing so", what exactly do you mean?

If you far left drones do not understand laws and how they work, that is on you!

I certainly do not have to explain anything to a far left that never learns anything and cheer dead cops!

 

[Kosh]

This is not a court of law!

And you have cheered for dead cops!

Your honor notice how the OP does not deny it!

See they believe that cops do not have civil rights!

Kosh, this seriously made me laugh. Well, it gave me a hearty chuckle.

Didn't know you had a sense of humor.

Thanks.

Yes I mock you far left drones all the time, but you do not understand that you are being mocked!

And yes you did cheer the death of cops, even if you want to try and hide that fact!

 

[MarcATL]

Well, rather than dive into the pool of traditional simplistic platitudes like "equality" and "diversity", I'll go with what immediately popped into my little brain when I saw your very reasonable and interesting question: Yes, it's far past time we stopped screaming at each other over "civil rights" because that issue has run its course. Rights and laws exist; rights and laws are not the issue; culture is, society is.

The problem now, as I see it anyway, is that we're still screaming and pointing the finger, and no one is looking in the mirror. How can I judge you if I haven't cleaned my own house first?

There are people on one side who want to pretend that traditional white-on-black racism DOESN'T STILL EXIST. How they can be conscious and functioning and not see it, is a study in the psychology of ideology. There are people on the other end who would much rather scream RACIST when someone dares to point out facts, than honestly examine and confront the counter-productive behaviors of minorities. Ultimately all these people are doing is ENABLING those behaviors and EXACERBATING divisions.

The conversation we need to have now isn't about rights and laws, it's about cleaning your own house before throwing stones (I do love mixed metaphors). I no longer believe the people screaming the loudest are really trying to actually improve ANYTHING, and I mean that literally. They're not trying to IMPROVE, they're trying to PUNISH. And that goes for other issues, as well.
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Interesting. Your answer is part of the problem. I mean, I thank you for your honesty, however, how can anything be resolved when there's a segment of society, that believes there is no problem.

And when you say "it's run its course" that's the equivalent of saying there's no problem.

So according to you, no one, or group, currently and consistently get their civil rights trampled upon? Is that it? If thats' not what you're saying, then how do we go about addressing when civil rights are trampled?

 

[MarcATL]

It has had TOO much attention, and has become reverse discrimination and needs to be reversed itself.

What does "race" have to do with it?

 

[MarcATL]

Too often, civil rights are code for giving blacks more entitlements, so before I answer this, do Me a favor.

When asking questions like this, it is best that you articulate what it is you mean by civil rights. What specifically, in regard to the civil rights of citizens are you targeting? When I know where you want to go with this, I can then explain My position on civil rights.

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[Mac1958]

And when you say "it's run its course" that's the equivalent of saying there's no problem.

So according to you, no one, or group, currently and consistently get their civil rights trampled upon? Is that it? If thats' not what you're saying, then how do we go about addressing when civil rights are trampled?

I made it pretty clear that our problems are cultural and social and that significant work (which I outlined) needs to be done. If that equates to "there's no problem" with you, I have no idea how to respond.

When civil rights are trampled, when laws are truly broken, if someone has suffered because of race, then the offenders need to be punished per the law.

I suspect my effort in writing that post was a waste of time, which I admit does happen quite a bit here. Which also essentially illustrates my point. If your goal is to just point the finger, I'm not interested.
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[Doc1]

Too often, civil rights are code for giving blacks more entitlements, so before I answer this, do Me a favor.

When asking questions like this, it is best that you articulate what it is you mean by civil rights. What specifically, in regard to the civil rights of citizens are you targeting? When I know where you want to go with this, I can then explain My position on civil rights.

#115

First define what you mean by "Civil Rights".

 

[Mac1958]

Too often, civil rights are code for giving blacks more entitlements, so before I answer this, do Me a favor.

When asking questions like this, it is best that you articulate what it is you mean by civil rights. What specifically, in regard to the civil rights of citizens are you targeting? When I know where you want to go with this, I can then explain My position on civil rights.

#115

First define what you mean by "Civil Rights".

I tried that. He didn't want to.
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[Doc1]

Too often, civil rights are code for giving blacks more entitlements, so before I answer this, do Me a favor.

When asking questions like this, it is best that you articulate what it is you mean by civil rights. What specifically, in regard to the civil rights of citizens are you targeting? When I know where you want to go with this, I can then explain My position on civil rights.

#115

First define what you mean by "Civil Rights".

I tried that. He didn't want to.
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That's where it has to start, otherwise he can just run in circles.
If he can't or won't define what he means he is simply playing a game.

 

[Geaux4it]

Do you believe that civil rights needs more attention, or it already have had enough and it's time to move on?

Why/why not?

Yes, the oppression of my civil rights as they pertain to the 2A

-Geaux

 

[MarcATL]

There is a world of difference. Because the "civil rights" as espoused by black movement leaders LEAVE out the broader issues in Civil Liberties. Including asset forfeiture, eminent domain, spying on citizens, etc. Have never HEARD the NAACP take those issues to the mat. Even THO --- the first 2 of those DIRECTLY affect the black communities disproportionately.

And you don't do "justice reform" just as a Civil rights issue for the benefit of one class. Just as you don't "fix" Fergusons by declaring the problem to be RACISM.. CLEARLY, the problems in Ferguson stem largely by failure of govt. NOT by racism..

Groups and organizations tend to address the issues and/or problems that affect them most. So perhaps your argument shouldn't be that there is a difference, but that they should also address those issues you brought to the fore. Yes?

 

[Mac1958]

Too often, civil rights are code for giving blacks more entitlements, so before I answer this, do Me a favor.

When asking questions like this, it is best that you articulate what it is you mean by civil rights. What specifically, in regard to the civil rights of citizens are you targeting? When I know where you want to go with this, I can then explain My position on civil rights.

#115

First define what you mean by "Civil Rights".

I tried that. He didn't want to.
.

That's where it has to start, otherwise he can just run in circles.
If he can't or won't define what he means he is simply playing a game.

Yep. It happens often here: People talking past each other because they're operating under different definitions.

Normal communication in this country has broken down to the point where nothing is getting through the noise.
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[iamwhatiseem]

Pass the Civil Responsibilities Act of 2017. See if that works.

Bubbles!!!!

 

[Doc1]

There is a world of difference. Because the "civil rights" as espoused by black movement leaders LEAVE out the broader issues in Civil Liberties. Including asset forfeiture, eminent domain, spying on citizens, etc. Have never HEARD the NAACP take those issues to the mat. Even THO --- the first 2 of those DIRECTLY affect the black communities disproportionately.

And you don't do "justice reform" just as a Civil rights issue for the benefit of one class. Just as you don't "fix" Fergusons by declaring the problem to be RACISM.. CLEARLY, the problems in Ferguson stem largely by failure of govt. NOT by racism..

Groups and organizations tend to address the issues and/or problems that affect them most. So perhaps your argument shouldn't be that there is a difference, but that they should also address those issues you brought to the fore. Yes?

Why are you running Mark?

 

[Divine Wind]

To answer your question...civil rights for all. Clearly.

Agreed.....at least that's the way it should be.