Do You Believe In Civil Rights?

[Kosh]

Why do so many of you equate civil rights with "doing something that only benefits black people?"

g5000
Pay closer attention son.

g5000 is a far left drone, they will never pay attention to reality!

I never got that impression.

Yes it voted for Clinton and defended 80% of Obama policies!

 

[Kosh]

Do try NOT to get personal. It's serious topic. Respect it. Please..

We are, perhaps you might urge Marc to answer the simple question of "What does he mean by Civil Rights".

I think if you don't know what "civil rights" means when a black person asks you, then the problem is with you, not him.

It probably gob smacks him that you even have to ask.

It's a legitimate question. Much of what people are after in the name of 'civil rights' has nothing to do with equal protection of the law.

No such thing as equal protection, that is a farce..

 

[Doc1]

Why do so many of you equate civil rights with "doing something that only benefits black people?"

g5000
Pay closer attention son.

He's right. That's how a lot of people perceive civil rights.

"What? You gave him the same protections of the law as me? What makes him so SPECIAL?!?!"

This is what YOU said.

"I think if you don't know what "civil rights" means when a black person asks you, then the problem is with you, not him."

This is what he said....

"
MarcATL said: ↑
Why do so many of you equate civil rights with "doing something that only benefits black people?"

Your Mission, if you should choose to accept it is to reconcile your statement with his....and the tell me why my request of to then actually "define" what he means is off base.

This, nor you or him are my first rodeo son.

 

[g5000]

Do try NOT to get personal. It's serious topic. Respect it. Please..

We are, perhaps you might urge Marc to answer the simple question of "What does he mean by Civil Rights".

I think if you don't know what "civil rights" means when a black person asks you, then the problem is with you, not him.

It probably gob smacks him that you even have to ask.

It's a legitimate question. Much of what people are after in the name of 'civil rights' has nothing to do with equal protection of the law.

No such thing as equal protection, that is a farce..

There most certainly is.

If the government bestows gifts upon you, and withholds those gifts from a hated class for no other reason than they are hated, that is unequal protection of the law. If the government bestows gifts upon you, and gives them to everyone regardless of who they are, that is equal protection of the laws, and that is the ultimate goal.

Government gifts are bestowed through legislation. Laws.

"Congress has appropriated free lollipops for everyone, except the negroes!"

If the government bestows a tax exemption on same-race marriages, but does not bestow that exemption on mixed race marriages, that is unequal protection of the laws. Our Supreme Court removed that inequality, to much crying of moral outrage by bigots.

Mixed race marriages now have equal protection of the laws throughout the land.

 

[the watcher]

Do try NOT to get personal. It's serious topic. Respect it. Please..

We are, perhaps you might urge Marc to answer the simple question of "What does he mean by Civil Rights".

Does crying ( legitimately) for "rights" somehow negate any " responsibilities"? Can you have one without the other long term?

 

[Divine Wind]

Same thing comes up the "enviromental justice" parts of civil rights struggles. Long-time black communities are targeted for industrial expansion. Bringing with it pollution and loss of business. BECAUSE these communities are easy targets for redevelopment of ALL KINDS --- it's represented as a racial issue. But again, a LOT of issues are MUCH MORE than "racial"...

Agreed 100%. Hence one of the many problems of "racial politics". Sharpton, et al present these as solely racial issues when, in reality, they are much greater civil issue which should command greater American interest.

 

[Doc1]

Do try NOT to get personal. It's serious topic. Respect it. Please..

We are, perhaps you might urge Marc to answer the simple question of "What does he mean by Civil Rights".

Does crying ( legitimately) for "rights" somehow negate any " responsibilities"? Can you have one without the other long term?

All I'm asking of poor Marc is to define what he means, until he does there can be no real discussion.

 

[g5000]

A bible compliant marriage...one man, one woman, of the same race.

 

[g5000]

Do try NOT to get personal. It's serious topic. Respect it. Please..

We are, perhaps you might urge Marc to answer the simple question of "What does he mean by Civil Rights".

Does crying ( legitimately) for "rights" somehow negate any " responsibilities"? Can you have one without the other long term?

All I'm asking of poor Marc is to define what he means, until he does there can be no real discussion.

Okay. Get left behind. That's fine.

 

[Doc1]

Do try NOT to get personal. It's serious topic. Respect it. Please..

We are, perhaps you might urge Marc to answer the simple question of "What does he mean by Civil Rights".

Does crying ( legitimately) for "rights" somehow negate any " responsibilities"? Can you have one without the other long term?

All I'm asking of poor Marc is to define what he means, until he does there can be no real discussion.

Okay. Get left behind. That's fine.

This is what YOU said.

"I think if you don't know what "civil rights" means when a black person asks you, then the problem is with you, not him."

This is what he said....

"
MarcATL said: ↑
Why do so many of you equate civil rights with "doing something that only benefits black people?"

Your Mission, if you should choose to accept it is to reconcile your statement with his....and the tell me why my request of to then actually "define" what he means is off base.

This, nor you or him are my first rodeo son.

 

[flacaltenn]

Do try NOT to get personal. It's serious topic. Respect it. Please..

We are, perhaps you might urge Marc to answer the simple question of "What does he mean by Civil Rights".

Does crying ( legitimately) for "rights" somehow negate any " responsibilities"? Can you have one without the other long term?

All I'm asking of poor Marc is to define what he means, until he does there can be no real discussion.

Mod Note:

Well then I suggest -- instead of getting personal and violating Zone2 content laws by flaming the guy, you spend your time discussing your view of the topic. If you don't get satisfaction, find another thread.
And --- leave the mods out of this please. Contact us directly to discuss..

 

[Kosh]

Do try NOT to get personal. It's serious topic. Respect it. Please..

We are, perhaps you might urge Marc to answer the simple question of "What does he mean by Civil Rights".

I think if you don't know what "civil rights" means when a black person asks you, then the problem is with you, not him.

It probably gob smacks him that you even have to ask.

It's a legitimate question. Much of what people are after in the name of 'civil rights' has nothing to do with equal protection of the law.

No such thing as equal protection, that is a farce..

There most certainly is.

If the government bestows gifts upon you, and withholds those gifts from a hated class for no other reason than they are hated, that is unequal protection of the law. If the government bestows gifts upon you, and give them to everyone regardless of who they are, that is equal protection, and that is the ultimate goal.

Government gifts are bestowed through legislation. Laws.

For example, if the government bestows a tax exemption on same-race marriages, but does not bestow that exemption on mixed race marriages, that is unequal protection of the laws. Our Supreme Court removed that inequality, to much cries of moral outrage by bigots.

Mixed race marriages now have equal protection of the laws throughout the land.

Using your horrid far left drone example..

SO why do single people pay more in taxes than married people? What difference does it make that people are married?

Why are single people targeted for more taxes?

And yes that is discrimination, it will not fit the far left definition, but it is!

So no there is no such thing as equal protection..

Just like those that choose not to have health insurance have to pay a tax for that. Again this is not equal protection, based on your horrid far left example.

To the far left people with cancer should not have to pay more than those that are healthy. This is an example of horrid government control, that the far left drones supports.

Unborn babies do not have a say in their deaths, yet the far left claims they have no rights!

So no there is no equal protection..

Several Americans where killed by drone signed off by Obama, where was their equal protection? Due Process? Something the far left claims that should apply to everyone!

Equability an equal protection are just words used by far left drones that they do not understand or comprehend, just like civil rights!

Do you get the same protection as those that represent you? No you do not!

 

[Doc1]

I'll gladly discuss whatever he is talking about, as yet he has not defined it.

 

[Mac1958]

This, nor you or him are my first rodeo son.

...and this doesn't appear to be a serious thread. Whites are bad, and that's that.

No serious conversation on race can begin until there is honesty on both sides.

I mentioned earlier - I think there are many who aren't interested in healing wounds or improving race relations. They only want to punish.

You won't get serious conversation there.
.

 

[g5000]

We are, perhaps you might urge Marc to answer the simple question of "What does he mean by Civil Rights".

I think if you don't know what "civil rights" means when a black person asks you, then the problem is with you, not him.

It probably gob smacks him that you even have to ask.

It's a legitimate question. Much of what people are after in the name of 'civil rights' has nothing to do with equal protection of the law.

No such thing as equal protection, that is a farce..

There most certainly is.

If the government bestows gifts upon you, and withholds those gifts from a hated class for no other reason than they are hated, that is unequal protection of the law. If the government bestows gifts upon you, and give them to everyone regardless of who they are, that is equal protection, and that is the ultimate goal.

Government gifts are bestowed through legislation. Laws.

For example, if the government bestows a tax exemption on same-race marriages, but does not bestow that exemption on mixed race marriages, that is unequal protection of the laws. Our Supreme Court removed that inequality, to much cries of moral outrage by bigots.

Mixed race marriages now have equal protection of the laws throughout the land.

Using your horrid far left drone example..

SO why do single people pay more in taxes than married people? What difference does it make that people are married?

Why are single people targeted for more taxes?

And yes that is discrimination, it will not fit the far left definition, but it is!

Now you are on my very favorite subject! I am very much against tax expenditures, as even you must know by now.

That means I am against all exemptions, deductions, and credits.

But Republicans DEMAND the government get all up in our marriages and bestow government gifts on them.

That's what the gay marriage issue was REALLY all about. The bigots were upset about gays getting the EXACT SAME GOVERNMENT GIFTS as they get!

If government was out of marriage, then we would never have had a debate about gay marriage. Simple fact.

They also demand a gift for having a kid!

If I had my way, NO ONE would get tax exemptions for marriage. NO ONE would get a mortgage interest deduction. NO ONE would get a child tax credit.

And THAT would be as equal as it gets. And we would have lower tax rates as a result.

Win/win.

 

[g5000]

But...civil rights are about much more than tax breaks. Much more.

 

[Doc1]

I think if you don't know what "civil rights" means when a black person asks you, then the problem is with you, not him.

It probably gob smacks him that you even have to ask.

It's a legitimate question. Much of what people are after in the name of 'civil rights' has nothing to do with equal protection of the law.

No such thing as equal protection, that is a farce..

There most certainly is.

If the government bestows gifts upon you, and withholds those gifts from a hated class for no other reason than they are hated, that is unequal protection of the law. If the government bestows gifts upon you, and give them to everyone regardless of who they are, that is equal protection, and that is the ultimate goal.

Government gifts are bestowed through legislation. Laws.

For example, if the government bestows a tax exemption on same-race marriages, but does not bestow that exemption on mixed race marriages, that is unequal protection of the laws. Our Supreme Court removed that inequality, to much cries of moral outrage by bigots.

Mixed race marriages now have equal protection of the laws throughout the land.

Using your horrid far left drone example..

SO why do single people pay more in taxes than married people? What difference does it make that people are married?

Why are single people targeted for more taxes?

And yes that is discrimination, it will not fit the far left definition, but it is!

Now you are on my very favorite subject! I am very much against tax expenditures, as even you must know by now.

That means I am against all exemptions, deductions, and credits.

But Republicans DEMAND the government get all up in our marriages and bestow government gifts on them.

That's what the gay marriage issue was REALLY all about. The bigots were upset about gays getting the EXACT SAME GOVERNMENT GIFTS as they get!

If government was out of marriage, then we would never have had a debate about gay marriage. Simple fact.

They also demand a gift for having a kid!

If I had my way, NO ONE would get tax exemptions for marriage. NO ONE would get a mortgage interest deduction. NO ONE would get a child tax credit.

And THAT would be as equal as it gets. And we would have lower tax rates as a result.

Win/win.

How much of our own money should they let us keep?

 

[Kosh]

I think if you don't know what "civil rights" means when a black person asks you, then the problem is with you, not him.

It probably gob smacks him that you even have to ask.

It's a legitimate question. Much of what people are after in the name of 'civil rights' has nothing to do with equal protection of the law.

No such thing as equal protection, that is a farce..

There most certainly is.

If the government bestows gifts upon you, and withholds those gifts from a hated class for no other reason than they are hated, that is unequal protection of the law. If the government bestows gifts upon you, and give them to everyone regardless of who they are, that is equal protection, and that is the ultimate goal.

Government gifts are bestowed through legislation. Laws.

For example, if the government bestows a tax exemption on same-race marriages, but does not bestow that exemption on mixed race marriages, that is unequal protection of the laws. Our Supreme Court removed that inequality, to much cries of moral outrage by bigots.

Mixed race marriages now have equal protection of the laws throughout the land.

Using your horrid far left drone example..

SO why do single people pay more in taxes than married people? What difference does it make that people are married?

Why are single people targeted for more taxes?

And yes that is discrimination, it will not fit the far left definition, but it is!

Now you are on my very favorite subject! I am very much against tax expenditures, as even you must know by now.

That means I am against all exemptions, deductions, and credits.

But Republicans DEMAND the government get all up in our marriages and bestow government gifts on them.

They also demand a gift for having a kid!

If I had my way, NO ONE would get tax exemptions for marriage. And THAT would be as equal as it gets.

See how the far left can only implicate one party as they can not see the their own do it as well..

Marriage licenses were born out of racism, yet the far left want to keep this!

And of course you are against something as long as you can blame anyone not far left! Just like the far left did not care how Obamacare would discriminate against people.

Just like a paranoid far left LBJ discriminated against religious groups because he was worried of being unseated by Catholics!

 

[Kosh]

But...civil rights are about much more than tax breaks. Much more.

Yes and they much, much, much more than race..

 

[g5000]

How much of our own money should they let us keep?

The exact same amount as everyone else.

Right now, because of tax expenditures, two people earning identical incomes are paying radically different amounts of tax, based on how much they behave the way the government wants them to behave.

That's seriously fucked up.

And your tax rates are higher. Every penny in deductions, exemptions, and credits has to be made up for by someone else. They come out of someone else's pocket, just like food stamps. Except tax expenditures add up to TWICE as much as we spend on welfare.

Making up the cost of tax expenditures is achieved by raising tax rates and heavy borrowing.

Get rid of them, and everyone will have a lower tax rate, and they will all be on a level playing field.