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[JoeB131]

Ten years ago, I would have never agreed to that.

I wouldn't have imagined the Twoparties reacting with such sustained hysteria over an outsider winning the presidency. I would have never dreamed that one party's prosecutors would come up with so many ginn'ed up indictments right before an election year. I thought Eric Holder and Loretta Lynch were anomolies who simply took loyalty to their appointers too far.

Ten years ago, I never would have imagined the GOP not only promoting a human being as fundamentally flawed as Trump but willing to sacrifice nearly every principle they have to justify it.

"Family Values" Conservatives now defend a man who paid a porn star for sex while his third wife was at home with his fifth child.
"Security" Conservatives now defend a man who disrespects our allies and commitment to Democracy while coddling up to hostile dictators like Putin and Kim.
"Fiscal" Conservatives defended 8 Trillion dollars in new debt.

Trump has flaunted the laws of this country since the Nixon Administration sued him for violating federal housing laws.

The problem with your movement is that it has become a cult.

Now I see that they were capable of it all along. All that was missing was opportunity. When was the last time a president lost his 2nd term re-election bid, only to be the frontrunner for his party's nomination and the predicted winner of the White House four years later?

Well, no, usually a party has a one-term loser, they run away from him as quickly as possible. No one wanted Jimmy Carter again, but Democrats were happy to nominate his Vice President. He lost even bigger. When voters rejected Bush Sr., they GOP ran Bush Junior, the voters rejected him, too. but that didn't stop you guys. You just did some jiggery pokery in Florida with butterfly ballots, and voila, we got two recessions, two wars, and a major city washed off the fucking map.

It's that perfect storm of circumstances: one party in power while the person likely to win is from the other party. The party in power figures, 'why shouldn't we abuse our power? What other reason to have power?'

What we need is not that grant of immunity. What we really need is for the Twoparties to understand that Trump faces the ultimate jury of his peers: the voters. Don't drop all his cases, just put them on hold until that jury speaks in November.

Shouldn't the voters have all the information beforehand? The thing about the trials is that it won't remove Trump from the ballot if your Cult is still dumb enough to nominated him again. (The 14th Amendment challenges might, though, but that assumes that the Majority on SCOTUS reads the clearly written words.) The real reason why you guys don't want Trump going on trial is because you know the evidence against him, which is pretty strong, would be pretty damning.

 

[Seymour Flops]

False equivocation. No other politician has tried to use unconstitutional means to overturn a fair and free presidential election in our countries history.

It's "country's" and Trump did not do that. He made a speech and he filed court cases. Neither of those is unconstitutional.

They have been investigating his culpability since it happened,

They've been investigating him since he announced, as we know from the released official texts between Page and Strzok. The idea that only when Trump committed a heinous crime did the intrepid law dogs of the DOJ/FBI spring into action is patently absurd. We KNOW - not speculation - that they were plotting against him as soon as he became a threat to a Hillary presidency.

One of the earliest texts, from 2015, shows Strzok calling Sen. Bernie Sanders (Vt.), Clinton’s rival in the race for the Democratic nomination, “an idiot like Trump. Figure they cancel each other out.’’

On March 4, 2016, Page texted, “God, Trump is a loathsome human,’’ to which Strzok replied, “Yet he may win.’’ Strzok then added, “Good for Hillary,’’ to which Page replied, “It is.’’

That conversation, which takes place after 2 a.m., includes Strzok texting, “God, Hillary should win 100,000,000-0.’’

THAT was the man in charge of both the Clinton investigation and the Trump investigation.

Do you really think you can gaslight us into forgetting that and thinking 'oh, well these investigations might be legit, though?'

and the extreme MAGANUTs have hindered a fulsome investigation all the way. Let him have his day in court, what's wrong? Is your God of Retribution just another chickenshit?

How in the world have an "MAGANUTS" hindered a fulsome investigation? The DOJ/FBI clearly don't care about the will of Congress,a nd they did not care about the will of the president when he had an (R) after his name. Trump is surely the most investigated man in history never to have been convicted of anything. Nobody hindered them, though they surely needed to be brought to heel. They are out of control rogue agencies, who are well-armed. That is not democracy.

Yes, let him have his day in court. WHEN his lawyers have had a fair chance to prepare, not a sudden rush to judgement after his enemies have been desperately searching for dirt since 2015.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Ten years ago, I never would have imagined the GOP not only promoting a human being as fundamentally flawed as Trump but willing to sacrifice nearly every principle they have to justify it.

"Family Values" Conservatives now defend a man who paid a porn star for sex while his third wife was at home with his fifth child.
"Security" Conservatives now defend a man who disrespects our allies and commitment to Democracy while coddling up to hostile dictators like Putin and Kim.
"Fiscal" Conservatives defended 8 Trillion dollars in new debt.

Trump has flaunted the laws of this country since the Nixon Administration sued him for violating federal housing laws.

The problem with your movement is that it has become a cult.



Well, no, usually a party has a one-term loser, they run away from him as quickly as possible. No one wanted Jimmy Carter again, but Democrats were happy to nominate his Vice President. He lost even bigger. When voters rejected Bush Sr., they GOP ran Bush Junior, the voters rejected him, too. but that didn't stop you guys. You just did some jiggery pokery in Florida with butterfly ballots, and voila, we got two recessions, two wars, and a major city washed off the fucking map.



Shouldn't the voters have all the information beforehand? The thing about the trials is that it won't remove Trump from the ballot if your Cult is still dumb enough to nominated him again. (The 14th Amendment challenges might, though, but that assumes that the Majority on SCOTUS reads the clearly written words.) The real reason why you guys don't want Trump going on trial is because you know the evidence against him, which is pretty strong, would be pretty damning.

Honestly, blindboo made some sense even though I disagreed. With your posts lately, all I see is "Waaaaaaaaa!"

 

[JoeB131]

They've been investigating him since he announced, as we know from the released official texts between Page and Strzok. The idea that only when Trump committed a heinous crime did the intrepid law dogs of the DOJ/FBI spring into action is patently absurd. We KNOW - not speculation - that they were plotting against him as soon as he became a threat to a Hillary presidency.

Page and Strzok weren't involved in the FISA investigations, and frankly, if you took text messages from any GOP Staffer prior to 2016, they were probably JUST AS HORRIFIED about Trump.

Shit, the Dominion Case shows that most of the staff at Fox News know what a toad Trump is, but in front of the cameras, they carry his water.

Honestly, blindboo made some sense even thought I disagreed. With your posts lately, all I see is "Waaaaaaaaa!"

Your concession is duly noted. I know you can't answer these points on how your movement has sold its soul.

The ironic thing is you guys impeached Clinton for getting a blow job, but paying off a porn star, why that's oky-doke.

 

[BlindBoo]

Trump did not do that

He demanded that Pence unconstitutionally and unilaterally throw out several states EC votes in order to change the results of the election that Benedict Donald lost, even though there was never any evidence of some multi-state conspiracy that threw the election.

How in the world have an "MAGANUTS" hindered a fulsome investigation?

The Senate vote was 54-35 — short of the 60 votes needed to consider a House-passed bill that would have formed a 10-member commission evenly split between the two parties. The vote was another sign of GOP fealty to former President Donald Trump and an overtly political effort to shift the focus off of the violent insurrection of his supporters.

Though the Jan. 6 commission bill passed the House earlier this month with the support of almost three dozen Republicans, GOP senators said they believe the commission would eventually be used against them politically. And Trump, who still has a firm hold on the party, has called it a “Democrat trap.”

GOP blocks bipartisan probe of deadly Jan. 6 riot at Capitol

Senate Republicans on Friday blocked the creation of a bipartisan panel to study the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, refusing to back down on their opposition to the independent investigation even amid emotional appeals from those who fought with and fled from the rioters that day.

www.pbs.org

 

[Seymour Flops]

Page and Strzok weren't involved in the FISA investigations,

It was the same organizations. Funny, the FBI/DOJ like to prosecute people under RICO for being part of organizations whose other members may have committed crimes rather than the people being prosecuted. But when the Strzok's, the Page's, the Clinesmith's, they want to pretend that they are rare exceptions.

Srzok and page were not the only ones sending vile official texts about Trump, they were just the only ones named. Many others were called "agent 1" and the like and are still working in the FBI, no doubt still after Trump, since that's all they know at this point.

and frankly, if you took text messages from any GOP Staffer prior to 2016, they were probably JUST AS HORRIFIED about Trump.

Show us.

Shit, the Dominion Case shows that most of the staff at Fox News know what a toad Trump is, but in front of the cameras, they carry his water.

Fox are GOP staffers? I guess your confused since CNN acts like DNC staffers.

Your concession is duly noted. I know you can't answer these points on how your movement has sold its soul.

The ironic thing is you guys impeached Clinton for getting a blow job, but paying off a porn star, why that's oky-doke.

Y'all told us everyone lies about sex, and that a blow job is not sex.

 

[Seymour Flops]

He demanded that Pence unconstitutionally and unilaterally throw out several states EC votes in order to change the results of the election that Benedict Donald lost, even though there was never any evidence of some multi-state conspiracy that threw the election.

He "demanded?" Did he threaten to fire Pence? What punishment did he give Pence for not doing what he asked? Oh, nothing?

Then it was an ask not a demand.

The Senate vote was 54-35 — short of the 60 votes needed to consider a House-passed bill that would have formed a 10-member commission evenly split between the two parties. The vote was another sign of GOP fealty to former President Donald Trump and an overtly political effort to shift the focus off of the violent insurrection of his supporters.

So, what? The DOJ and FBI had the investigation "ongoing" and used that to refuse to tell congress anythign. We already had plenty of committees in which Senior FBI and DOJ officials came to hearings to refuse to answer.

Though the Jan. 6 commission bill passed the House earlier this month with the support of almost three dozen Republicans, GOP senators said they believe the commission would eventually be used against them politically. And Trump, who still has a firm hold on the party, has called it a “Democrat trap.”

GOP blocks bipartisan probe of deadly Jan. 6 riot at Capitol

Senate Republicans on Friday blocked the creation of a bipartisan panel to study the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, refusing to back down on their opposition to the independent investigation even amid emotional appeals from those who fought with and fled from the rioters that day.

www.pbs.org

They were right, and thus right to pass it.

Is that really what you hang your claim that there was no fulsome investigation of Trump after eight years of near-desperate dirt-digging?

 

[Godboy]

They didn’t even know he was there.

Obama has never said he "didnt know he was there". Where are you getting this idea?

 

[hjmick]

A president of the United States must have full immunity, without which it would be impossible for him/her to properly function. Any mistake, even if well intended, would be met with almost certain indictment by the opposing party at term end. Even events that 'cross the line' must fall under total immunity, or it will be years of trauma trying to determine good from bad.

I read your thread title and my first thought was you were going to go with P01135809's rant about a candidate under federal investigation or indictment should not be running for President of the United States, how it wouldn't be fair to the public and it would be impossible to govern...

 

[Marener]

Obama has never said he "didnt know he was there". Where are you getting this idea?

Where are you getting the idea that the teenager was the target of the strike?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-airstrike-that-killed-american-teen-in-yemen-raises-legal-ethical-questions/2011/10/20/gIQAdvUY7L_story.html

 

[JoeB131]

It was the same organizations. Funny, the FBI/DOJ like to prosecute people under RICO for being part of organizations whose other members may have committed crimes rather than the people being prosecuted. But when the Strzok's, the Page's, the Clinesmith's, they want to pretend that they are rare exceptions.

Srzok and page were not the only ones sending vile official texts about Trump, they were just the only ones named. Many others were called "agent 1" and the like and are still working in the FBI, no doubt still after Trump, since that's all they know at this point.

Has it occurred to you that they were sending vile texts because Trump is a vile human being?

You see, here's the thing, if you have all these people who had dedicated their lives to public service having this serious concerns about a Narcissitic, corrupt man child whose own family members are saying bad stuff about him, maybe you ought to listen.

Fox are GOP staffers?

Pretty much. Actually, it's more a case of the tail wagging the dog.

Y'all told us everyone lies about sex, and that a blow job is not sex.

both of which are true... but you guys are the party of family values, remember? Except when you have a guy who will hate the people you hate, then he can engage in any kind of perversion you want.

(Also, I think Daniels gave him more than a blow job, but never mind.)

 

[Whodatsaywhodat.]

The only person wanting to set a Dictatorship is P01135809, he is treasonous scum and so are you.

Lol. Are you an American or are you a Democrat?

 

[0311]

Lol. Are you an American or are you a Democrat?

I am proud citizen of the United States AND a proud and loud Democrat. You on the other hand fucking Traitor and Insurrectionist.

 

[GMCGeneral]

I am proud citizen of the United States AND a proud and loud Democrat. You on the other hand fucking Traitor and Insurrectionist.

You misspelled Communist as all Democrats are far Left shitbag Communists and are the enemy.

 

[BackAgain]

I am proud citizen of the United States AND a proud and loud Democrat. You on the other hand fucking Traitor and Insurrectionist.

Zero.311 has no idea that he’s a retard.

 

[Godboy]

Where are you getting the idea that the teenager was the target of the strike?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-airstrike-that-killed-american-teen-in-yemen-raises-legal-ethical-questions/2011/10/20/gIQAdvUY7L_story.html

No no no, that cute little tactic isnt going to work. I never said any such thing and there is a BIG difference between saying "he wasnt our target" and "we didnt know he was there". So i ask again, where did you get this idea that they didnt know he was there? That simply isnt true.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Has it occurred to you that they were sending vile texts because Trump is a vile human being?

Yes, the two adulterers using their FBI phones to plot stealing the election through their senior positions in law enforcment because they feared the votes of the American people might not go their way thought that Trump was vile.

I get that.

You see, here's the thing, if you have all these people who had dedicated their lives to public service having this serious concerns about a Narcissitic, corrupt man child whose own family members are saying bad stuff about him, maybe you ought to listen.

Really? These are the persons that I should seriously listen to?

Page sent Strzok an article on Trump's fumbling to understand Russia's annexation of Crimea, adding: "Jesus. You should read this. And Trump should go f himself."

Strzok responded that he liked the article "And F Trump."

Strzok told Page on July 14, "It's clear he's capturing all the white, poor voters who the mainstream Republicans abandoned in all but name in the quest for the almighty $$$$."

In other messages, the couple shared pro-Clinton views. Strzok told Page in March, "God Hillary should win 100,000,000-0."

I should substitute their judgement for my own in who should be president? Clearly, they thought that their judgement should be the only one that matters, so democracy is an anathema to them.

I assume that you listen to FBI officials in this regard, since you advocate it for others.

Was the FBI wrong to fire those two lovebirds?

Pretty much. Actually, it's more a case of the tail wagging the dog.

"pretty much" means they are not, of course. My taxes don't pay Foxnews jounalists, and they don't have the investigatory power of the federal government at their dispopsal, so what they say or do is not as important to me as what FBI agents say and do.

both of which are true... but you guys are the party of family values, remember? Except when you have a guy who will hate the people you hate, then he can engage in any kind of perversion you want.
(Also, I think Daniels gave him more than a blow job, but never mind.)

So, you justify your double standard, by pretending to adopt supposed Republican standards for Republicans?

 

[JoeB131]

Yes, the two adulterers using their FBI phones to plot stealing the election through their senior positions in law enforcment because they feared the votes of the American people might not go their way thought that Trump was vile.

I get that.

Where did they do that? Frankly, if the FBI REALLY wanted to rig the 2016, they should have dropped the Steele Dossier and the rumors of the Pee Tape and everything else they had on Trump in October 2016. They didn't. They kept it confidential until AFTER the election. Why? because everyone thought Hillary would win, and they could deal with Russia's attempt to hijack our election off line.

Really? These are the persons that I should seriously listen to?

Page sent Strzok an article on Trump's fumbling to understand Russia's annexation of Crimea, adding: "Jesus. You should read this. And Trump should go f himself."

Strzok responded that he liked the article "And F Trump."

Strzok told Page on July 14, "It's clear he's capturing all the white, poor voters who the mainstream Republicans abandoned in all but name in the quest for the almighty $$$$."

Gee, I'm not seeing anything they said here that was wrong.

Trump's lack of knowledge of issues like Crimea SHOULD worry people.

And the GOP has abandoned the white working class.

I should substitute their judgement for my own in who should be president?

Yeah, your judgement seems pretty awful. I hope they don't let you out on the street by yourself.

Was the FBI wrong to fire those two lovebirds?

Yes.

"pretty much" means they are not, of course. My taxes don't pay Foxnews jounalists, and they don't have the investigatory power of the federal government at their dispopsal, so what they say or do is not as important to me as what FBI agents say and do.

Your tax dollars don't pay for the GOP, either, but there they are.

Here's the thing. The FBI was presented with solid evidence the Russians were trying to change the result of our election, to benefit Trump. 17 Intelligence Agencies concluded that. Some of Trump's inner circle had connections to the Russians. How is that NOT something they look into. Just because Trump was more "useful idiot" and less "Asset" to Putin, doesn't mean you don't look into that.

Unfortunately, Trump obstructed the investigation and pardoned everyone involved. Nothing to see here.

So, you justify your double standard, by pretending to adopt supposed Republican standards for Republicans?

When one party is trying to regulate what kind of sex we can have, absolutely. I thought Bill Clinton was kind of a creep the way he treated Lewinsky (and allowed others to treat her). But you know what, Clinton didn't try to ban abortion or contraception. He expanded gay rights. (Although he did sign on to the unconstitutional DOMA).

Trump on the other hand, wants us to be the live-action version of A Handmaid's Tale.

 

[Marener]

No no no, that cute little tactic isnt going to work. I never said any such thing and there is a BIG difference between saying "he wasnt our target" and "we didnt know he was there". So i ask again, where did you get this idea that they didnt know he was there? That simply isnt true.

It’s in the article I linked.

“The U.S. government did not know that Mr. Awlaki’s son was there” before the order to launch the missile was given, the official said.

Tell me why you think it isn’t true?

 

[Godboy]

It’s in the article I linked.

“The U.S. government did not know that Mr. Awlaki’s son was there” before the order to launch the missile was given, the official said.

Tell me why you think it isn’t true?

What official said this? Do you have a name of this person, or a video of him saying it? Or is this just some horseshit claim by an article? Where is your EVIDENCE? Surely if Obamas official position was that he didnt know he was there, then you should have no problem finding me a press release for this claim.