Do Illegals take "Jobs that Americans Won't Do?"

[Seymour Flops]

No.

They work for wages for which Americans won't work.

Why won't Americans work for those wages? Two reasons:

1) Our welfare system is so generous to those who are eligible, and so easy to defraud for those who are not, that working at a low-wage job would actually cost a low-wage worker money. Why should they work for less money than welfare will give them in bennies? Can't blame them.

2) The presence of illegal workers keeps wages below what the free market would demand if only American citizens and legal immigrants were in the job force.

The answer:

1) secure the border.

2) Negotiate the number of unskilled workers to be allowed to come in. These negotiations would take place between people representing employers and people representing the low-skilled Americans that the employers propose to displace.

3) Make employers of low-wage guests workers responsible to make sure the laws are followed by their employees.

 

[candycorn]

Yes. All of the blob's wives lately are from over-seas.

 

[Auld Phart]

Yes. All of the blob's wives lately are from over-seas.

What does that have to do with anything, corny?

 

[konradv]

No.

They work for wages for which Americans won't work.

Why won't Americans work for those wages? Two reasons:

1) Our welfare system is so generous to those who are eligible, and so easy to defraud for those who are not, that working at a low-wage job would actually cost a low-wage worker money. Why should they work for less money than welfare will give them in bennies? Can't blame them.

2) The presence of illegal workers keeps wages below what the free market would demand if only American citizens and legal immigrants were in the job force.

The answer:

1) secure the border.

2) Negotiate the number of unskilled workers to be allowed to come in. These negotiations would take place between people representing employers and people representing the low-skilled Americans that the employers propose to displace.

3) Make employers of low-wage guests workers responsible to make sure the laws are followed by their employees.

You sound like one of those $15/hr minimum wage socialists!

 

[Muhammed]

Do Illegals take "Jobs that Americans Won't Do?"​

No.

 

[Flash]

They do the job that is the most disgusting to most Americans - vote Democrat.

 

[justoffal]

No.

They work for wages for which Americans won't work.

Why won't Americans work for those wages? Two reasons:

1) Our welfare system is so generous to those who are eligible, and so easy to defraud for those who are not, that working at a low-wage job would actually cost a low-wage worker money. Why should they work for less money than welfare will give them in bennies? Can't blame them.

2) The presence of illegal workers keeps wages below what the free market would demand if only American citizens and legal immigrants were in the job force.

The answer:

1) secure the border.

2) Negotiate the number of unskilled workers to be allowed to come in. These negotiations would take place between people representing employers and people representing the low-skilled Americans that the employers propose to displace.

3) Make employers of low-wage guests workers responsible to make sure the laws are followed by their employees.

This is a very astute post....

Begrudgingly I am going to have to admit that we need the borer crossers because or economy has evolved into a complex layered machine that requires slave labor at the bottom tier. Where do we get the slaves? Border crossers..... We use to get them home grown though...

 

[Oddball]

Yes. All of the blob's wives lately are from over-seas.

Whataboutism isn't an argument, moonbat.

 

[Auld Phart]

Whataboutism isn't an argument, moonbat.

She's flexing her muscles.

Can't seem to actually address a thread.

 

[Oddball]

This is a very astute post....

Begrudgingly I am going to have to admit that we need the borer crossers because or economy has evolved into a complex layered machine that requires slave labor at the bottom tier. Where do we get the slaves? Border crossers..... We use to get them home grown though...

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Not all child labor was slave labor....A lot of it was the kids learning the family trade, to the consternation of the unions.

Tracing back through history that's how we got the surnames Weaver, Baker, Taylor, Cooper etcetera.

 

[justoffal]

Not all child labor was slave labor....A lot of it was the kids learning the family trade, to the consternation of the unions.

Tracing back through history that's how we got the surnames Weaver, Baker, Taylor, Cooper etcetera.

Good point..... look I argued all the time with the socialists here and on other boards that the reason we grew so quickly in the 20's 30's and 40's was on the back of cheap labor... Nobody likes it but it's true and frankly for real, sustainable progress and development you need that bottom tier. It is an economic fertilizer and a currency super-vitamin!

 

[justoffal]

She's flexing her muscles.

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Can't seem to actually address a thread.

Hey you don't happen to know a guy by the name of ALGO SEKKUND do ya?

 

[Oddball]

Good point..... look I argued all the time with the socialists here and on other boards that the reason we grew so quickly in the 20's 30's and 40's was on the back of cheap labor... Nobody likes it but it's true and frankly for real, sustainable progress and development you need that bottom tier. It is an economic fertilizer and a currency super-vitamin!

Yes, your point is well taken...I only pointed out the valid counter that also applied to the situation.

Yes, a lot of industry is relying on paying sub-standard wages to desperate immigrants like the always have.....The real bad news there is that we also have a rather lavish social welfare system, that will subsidize these bad actors.

But we're kind of playing Mac and Tosh here, aren't we?

 

[Anathema]

2) Negotiate the number of unskilled workers to be allowed to come in. These negotiations would take place between people representing employers and people representing the low-skilled Americans that the employers propose to displace

No. Force individuals on welfare to do the jobs, making welfare a SUPPLEMENTAL income to what they get for doing the job or they lose their welfare.

 

[justoffal]

No. Force individuals on welfare to do the jobs, making welfare a SUPPLEMENTAL income to what they get for doing the job or they lose their welfare.

Yep....they either learn a skill or they go hungry....that simple.

JO

 

[alang1216]

Good point..... look I argued all the time with the socialists here and on other boards that the reason we grew so quickly in the 20's 30's and 40's was on the back of cheap labor... Nobody likes it but it's true and frankly for real, sustainable progress and development you need that bottom tier. It is an economic fertilizer and a currency super-vitamin!

It was increasing productivity that let us grow as we did. Ford actually doubled his workers pay and made them work fewer hours and his company prospered.

 

[lg325]

Americans will do those jobs but for the wages paid like the illegals we would all be living in tents in the woods or in cars on back roads or on like what I have seen living on construction sites on floor of half built buildings.

 

[Oddball]

It was increasing productivity that let us grow as we did. Ford actually doubled his workers pay and made them work fewer hours and his company prospered.

Unfortunately, Ford was the exception.

 

[JoeB131]

No.

They work for wages for which Americans won't work.

Why won't Americans work for those wages? Two reasons:

1) Our welfare system is so generous to those who are eligible, and so easy to defraud for those who are not, that working at a low-wage job would actually cost a low-wage worker money. Why should they work for less money than welfare will give them in bennies? Can't blame them.

Bullshit. No one should have to work for slave labor. Most people on "welfare" have at least some family members doing these undesirable jobs.

2) The presence of illegal workers keeps wages below what the free market would demand if only American citizens and legal immigrants were in the job force.

Bullshit. The One Percent will always try to find ways to cheat the people who do the work.

The answer:

1) secure the border.

The border can't be secured. Most undocumented workers come in on tourist, work, marriage or student visas and overstay them. No matter how many fences you build, people will figure ways around them. In fact, fences have made the problem worse. Instead of a guy coming up here for harvest season and going home with decent money, they come up to stay and bring their families.

2) Negotiate the number of unskilled workers to be allowed to come in. These negotiations would take place between people representing employers and people representing the low-skilled Americans that the employers propose to displace.

Um, yeah, because we all know that the one percenters will negotiate in good faith... you know, like Amazon and Starbucks trying to crush union efforts. because they are negotiating in good faith. Those Dick Rockets aren't going to buy themselves.

3) Make employers of low-wage guests workers responsible to make sure the laws are followed by their employees.

Uh, guy, this is how we GOT into this mess.

When Simpson-Mazolli was signed in the 1980's by Ronnie Ray-gun, part of the deal was that employers were going to make sure they weren't hiring illegals. This was pretty much putting the foxes in charge of guarding the henhouse. Legit employers followed the law. The ones who didn't found ways around it.

I interviewed for a position at a distribution place where most of the warehouse employees were Mexicans... and the guy right up said that he knew most of his employees were illegal, but as long as they had something that looked "legit", that was fine with him. Oh, also, we had to have all the work done by sundown on Fridays, because the owners were observant Jews. So which laws they obeyed were subject to change.

 

[alang1216]

Unfortunately, Ford was the exception.

Wage-wise, maybe. But his innovation was not unique and that is what made America an industrial powerhouse, surpassing Britain, the first industrial society.