Do gays choose to be gay? How can we refuse equal rights?

[clevergirl]

A NARTH Member sent the following letter to a call-in radio show, "Love Line," hosted by a psychotherapist named Dr. Drew. As an ex-gay man himself, our reader was disturbed that Dr. Drew had a one-sided understanding of the homosexual condition. This insightful struggler notes that people should not necessarily act on what or who they are attracted to, because those attractions may be rooted in a deficit and cannot be fulfilled within a sexual relationship.



"Listen to Ex-Gays, Too"

NARTH.....*chuckle.

Yes, leave it to an asshole to "chuckle" at people who have a personal story to tell when it doesn't jibe with their own ideology... as if THAT'S a real response.

 

[Seawytch]

A NARTH Member sent the following letter to a call-in radio show, "Love Line," hosted by a psychotherapist named Dr. Drew. As an ex-gay man himself, our reader was disturbed that Dr. Drew had a one-sided understanding of the homosexual condition. This insightful struggler notes that people should not necessarily act on what or who they are attracted to, because those attractions may be rooted in a deficit and cannot be fulfilled within a sexual relationship.



"Listen to Ex-Gays, Too"

NARTH.....*chuckle.

Yes, leave it to an asshole to "chuckle" at people who have a personal story to tell when it doesn't jibe with their own ideology... as if THAT'S a real response.

It's an asshole that would compare consenting adult relationships to the 15 members of NARTH.

 

[rdean]

Oh, Dear God... another 'Gay' thread...

There oughtta be a rule...

Gays represent 3.8% of the population... ( LGBT demographics of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )

Therefore... Gays get 3.8% of the threads and bandwidth dedicated to their issues...

That sounds entirely fair to me...

Gays have been leaders in the arts, architecture, science, music, literature and so on. They are the number one group Republicans love to hate. So it's no surprise they garner more press.

 

[clevergirl]

NARTH.....*chuckle.

Yes, leave it to an asshole to "chuckle" at people who have a personal story to tell when it doesn't jibe with their own ideology... as if THAT'S a real response.

It's an asshole that would compare consenting adult relationships to the 15 members of NARTH.

No, its an asshole that would dismiss someones personal story because it does not fit their agenda.

The fact of the matter is that statistics show higher than normal suicide; disease; drug use; violence; multiple sexual partner rates among the homosexual community.

This indicates a less than "gay" community.

 

[Plasmaball]

Yes, leave it to an asshole to "chuckle" at people who have a personal story to tell when it doesn't jibe with their own ideology... as if THAT'S a real response.

It's an asshole that would compare consenting adult relationships to the 15 members of NARTH.

No, its an asshole that would dismiss someones personal story because it does not fit their agenda.

The fact of the matter is that statistics show higher than normal suicide; disease; drug use; violence; multiple sexual partner rates among the homosexual community.

This indicates a less than "gay" community.

go away....you are on the losing side, deal with it.

 

[clevergirl]

It's an asshole that would compare consenting adult relationships to the 15 members of NARTH.

No, its an asshole that would dismiss someones personal story because it does not fit their agenda.

The fact of the matter is that statistics show higher than normal suicide; disease; drug use; violence; multiple sexual partner rates among the homosexual community.

This indicates a less than "gay" community.

go away....you are on the losing side, deal with it.

No, I am not on a "losing" side. I am on the right side in a lost culture. But you don't shut up at the risk of not being popular.

What I posted is factual...not emotional.

 

[Plasmaball]

No, its an asshole that would dismiss someones personal story because it does not fit their agenda.

The fact of the matter is that statistics show higher than normal suicide; disease; drug use; violence; multiple sexual partner rates among the homosexual community.

This indicates a less than "gay" community.

go away....you are on the losing side, deal with it.

No, I am not on a "losing" side. I am on the right side in a lost culture. But you don't shut up at the risk of not being popular.

What I posted is factual...not emotional.

lost culture. shut the **** up about lost culture. Cultures evolve over time. 10+ states already have gay marriage and nothing has changed in those states. Numerous countries also have it and they didnt get hit by a plague of gay.

You are on the wrong side of history, and hey thats your right to be so.
You post absurd numbers that have nothing to do with the fact of rights.

95% of mexican men could have aids and that still wouldnt give you the right to deny them basic rights afforded to them by our constitution.

You want a second class of citizen. You are disgusting.

 

[clevergirl]

go away....you are on the losing side, deal with it.

No, I am not on a "losing" side. I am on the right side in a lost culture. But you don't shut up at the risk of not being popular.

What I posted is factual...not emotional.

lost culture. shut the **** up about lost culture. Cultures evolve over time. 10+ states already have gay marriage and nothing has changed in those states. Numerous countries also have it and they didnt get hit by a plague of gay.

You are on the wrong side of history, and hey thats your right to be so.
You post absurd numbers that have nothing to do with the fact of rights.

95% of mexican men could have aids and that still wouldnt give you the right to deny them basic rights afforded to them by our constitution.

You want a second class of citizen. You are disgusting.

You shut the **** up you loud mouthed moron. Cultures that change in this way have historically come to ruin.

No one has denied anyone "basic" rights!~ This kind of emotional BS is typical idiocy from liberals.

AGAIN- homosexuals experience higher than normal disease; suicides; drug abuse; multiple sexual partners; depression; etc...THESE are FACTS. All the cum-bye-ya BS attempts to make their sexual orientation "normal" will never ******* work.

WHY? because deep down inside these are not "GAY" people...they are broken people.

The sad fact of the matter is that good research' therapy and progress towards real help has been hand-capped and stifled in the race to normalize the abnormal!

 

[Kondor3]

Well ordered? Or not hurting others or their rights? There a difference.

"Provide for the common defense and promote the general welfare" sticks in my mind.

Yep....that's fine. So...encouraging stable married relationships is bad.....how?

There is encouraging stable married relationships amongst normal people, and...

There is encouraging stable married relationships amongst freaks of nature...

I'm entirely sympatico with the former...

I couldn't give a tinker's damn less about the latter...

 

[ScienceRocks]

Gays should have the same rights as everyone else.

 

[Seawytch]

Yes, leave it to an asshole to "chuckle" at people who have a personal story to tell when it doesn't jibe with their own ideology... as if THAT'S a real response.

It's an asshole that would compare consenting adult relationships to the 15 members of NARTH.

No, its an asshole that would dismiss someones personal story because it does not fit their agenda.

The fact of the matter is that statistics show higher than normal suicide; disease; drug use; violence; multiple sexual partner rates among the homosexual community.

This indicates a less than "gay" community.

Gee, I wonder if that has to do with the way they're treated? I know...stop bashing, bullying, kicking them out of their homes, firing from their jobs and give them equal treatment under the law and see if those statistics improve.

 

[clevergirl]

It's an asshole that would compare consenting adult relationships to the 15 members of NARTH.

No, its an asshole that would dismiss someones personal story because it does not fit their agenda.

The fact of the matter is that statistics show higher than normal suicide; disease; drug use; violence; multiple sexual partner rates among the homosexual community.

This indicates a less than "gay" community.

Gee, I wonder if that has to do with the way they're treated? I know...stop bashing, bullying, kicking them out of their homes, firing from their jobs and give them equal treatment under the law and see if those statistics improve.

More disingenuous BS. The complaints you enumerate are not statistically related to the facts.

 

[Vandalshandle]

No, I am not on a "losing" side. I am on the right side in a lost culture. But you don't shut up at the risk of not being popular.

What I posted is factual...not emotional.

lost culture. shut the **** up about lost culture. Cultures evolve over time. 10+ states already have gay marriage and nothing has changed in those states. Numerous countries also have it and they didnt get hit by a plague of gay.

You are on the wrong side of history, and hey thats your right to be so.
You post absurd numbers that have nothing to do with the fact of rights.

95% of mexican men could have aids and that still wouldnt give you the right to deny them basic rights afforded to them by our constitution.

You want a second class of citizen. You are disgusting.

You shut the **** up you loud mouthed moron. Cultures that change in this way have historically come to ruin.

No one has denied anyone "basic" rights!~ This kind of emotional BS is typical idiocy from liberals.

AGAIN- homosexuals experience higher than normal disease; suicides; drug abuse; multiple sexual partners; depression; etc...THESE are FACTS. All the cum-bye-ya BS attempts to make their sexual orientation "normal" will never ******* work.

WHY? because deep down inside these are not "GAY" people...they are broken people.

The sad fact of the matter is that good research' therapy and progress towards real help has been hand-capped and stifled in the race to normalize the abnormal!

This worries me. So, if I have oral sex with my wife, we need to go through therapy to "normalize" ourselves?

 

[Plasmaball]

No, I am not on a "losing" side. I am on the right side in a lost culture. But you don't shut up at the risk of not being popular.

What I posted is factual...not emotional.

lost culture. shut the **** up about lost culture. Cultures evolve over time. 10+ states already have gay marriage and nothing has changed in those states. Numerous countries also have it and they didnt get hit by a plague of gay.

You are on the wrong side of history, and hey thats your right to be so.
You post absurd numbers that have nothing to do with the fact of rights.

95% of mexican men could have aids and that still wouldnt give you the right to deny them basic rights afforded to them by our constitution.

You want a second class of citizen. You are disgusting.

You shut the **** up you loud mouthed moron. Cultures that change in this way have historically come to ruin.

No one has denied anyone "basic" rights!~ This kind of emotional BS is typical idiocy from liberals.

AGAIN- homosexuals experience higher than normal disease; suicides; drug abuse; multiple sexual partners; depression; etc...THESE are FACTS. All the cum-bye-ya BS attempts to make their sexual orientation "normal" will never ******* work.

WHY? because deep down inside these are not "GAY" people...they are broken people.

The sad fact of the matter is that good research' therapy and progress towards real help has been hand-capped and stifled in the race to normalize the abnormal!

no cultures fall to ruins for a whole host of reasons you simpleminded ****, not because they let the gays marry or be together.

Basic rights? thats why Scotus disagreed with you recently huh? That a gay couple was denied their basic rights when one of them fell ill. This is how ******* stupid you are. You need to find the tiniest sliver of a "basic right" in order to use that weak as shit argument.

" Oh looky here, these gays still have the right to own a gun! nobody is stopping their basic rights....Tee har!" You ******* backwards thinking rodent. I would call you an ape, but i dont want to insult apes. They are much higher on the intelligence level than you. ******* weakass argument from a weak person.

Yes you feel they are facts that justify your bigotry. Blacks have a higher rate of diabetes, that doesn't make them any less inferior. Broken people? **** you, you herpe infested **** of a woman. Broken, coming from a mentally retarded person.

Abnormal? the only abnormal one is you. **** i can not wait for your kind to just die off and let the rest of us move on with society. You are literally holding society back. You disgusting troll of a woman. I am embarrassed to be of the same species as you.

this is what the internet has brought about. It has made opinions like yours, normal. To have equal weight as a respected opinion. You are trash and should be treated as trash. You are about as clever as a lump of shit my cats took in the litter box.

 

[clevergirl]

lost culture. shut the **** up about lost culture. Cultures evolve over time. 10+ states already have gay marriage and nothing has changed in those states. Numerous countries also have it and they didnt get hit by a plague of gay.

You are on the wrong side of history, and hey thats your right to be so.
You post absurd numbers that have nothing to do with the fact of rights.

95% of mexican men could have aids and that still wouldnt give you the right to deny them basic rights afforded to them by our constitution.

You want a second class of citizen. You are disgusting.

You shut the **** up you loud mouthed moron. Cultures that change in this way have historically come to ruin.

No one has denied anyone "basic" rights!~ This kind of emotional BS is typical idiocy from liberals.

AGAIN- homosexuals experience higher than normal disease; suicides; drug abuse; multiple sexual partners; depression; etc...THESE are FACTS. All the cum-bye-ya BS attempts to make their sexual orientation "normal" will never ******* work.

WHY? because deep down inside these are not "GAY" people...they are broken people.

The sad fact of the matter is that good research' therapy and progress towards real help has been hand-capped and stifled in the race to normalize the abnormal!

This worries me. So, if I have oral sex with my wife, we need to go through therapy to "normalize" ourselves?

The "worry" is real. It's due to your attempt to equate male/female sex with homosexual sex. Do try and be intellectually honest.

 

[clevergirl]

lost culture. shut the **** up about lost culture. Cultures evolve over time. 10+ states already have gay marriage and nothing has changed in those states. Numerous countries also have it and they didnt get hit by a plague of gay.

You are on the wrong side of history, and hey thats your right to be so.
You post absurd numbers that have nothing to do with the fact of rights.

95% of mexican men could have aids and that still wouldnt give you the right to deny them basic rights afforded to them by our constitution.

You want a second class of citizen. You are disgusting.

You shut the **** up you loud mouthed moron. Cultures that change in this way have historically come to ruin.

No one has denied anyone "basic" rights!~ This kind of emotional BS is typical idiocy from liberals.

AGAIN- homosexuals experience higher than normal disease; suicides; drug abuse; multiple sexual partners; depression; etc...THESE are FACTS. All the cum-bye-ya BS attempts to make their sexual orientation "normal" will never ******* work.

WHY? because deep down inside these are not "GAY" people...they are broken people.

The sad fact of the matter is that good research' therapy and progress towards real help has been hand-capped and stifled in the race to normalize the abnormal!

no cultures fall to ruins for a whole host of reasons you simpleminded ****, not because they let the gays marry or be together.

Basic rights? thats why Scotus disagreed with you recently huh? That a gay couple was denied their basic rights when one of them fell ill. This is how ******* stupid you are. You need to find the tiniest sliver of a "basic right" in order to use that weak as shit argument.

" Oh looky here, these gays still have the right to own a gun! nobody is stopping their basic rights....Tee har!" You ******* backwards thinking rodent. I would call you an ape, but i dont want to insult apes. They are much higher on the intelligence level than you. ******* weakass argument from a weak person.

Yes you feel they are facts that justify your bigotry. Blacks have a higher rate of diabetes, that doesn't make them any less inferior. Broken people? **** you, you herpe infested **** of a woman. Broken, coming from a mentally retarded person.

Abnormal? the only abnormal one is you. **** i can not wait for your kind to just die off and let the rest of us move on with society. You are literally holding society back. You disgusting troll of a woman. I am embarrassed to be of the same species as you.

this is what the internet has brought about. It has made opinions like yours, normal. To have equal weight as a respected opinion. You are trash and should be treated as trash. You are about as clever as a lump of shit my cats took in the litter box.

I don't have "bigotry" about or towards homosexuals- your attempt to ignore the facts I raised and instead go to the racist; bigot; insert label in order to avoid dealing with facts lazy assed moron move, does not win the argument raised.

No, with regards to sexuality- the homosexual is a deviation from the norm- Again, a biological; physiological and psychological FACT. All of your moronic babbling to the contrary is nothing more than PC rhetoric and does not make homosexuality normal.

The FACTS again are that the so called community of homosexuals are not prospering emotionally, physically, or relationally. All of the attempts of a liberal society to try and "normalize" homosexuals will not make them GAY people...they will always, deep down, be a broken person using sexual gratification and destructive behavior in an attempt to satisfy...but it will be as unrewarding post gay marriage as it was prior. THAT was the point of the young mans story he shared.

When only 9 million of more than 300 million US citizens fall into the sexually deviant population (which includes lesbians; homosexuals; transgendered etc.) We can refer to an abnormal deviation. Extrapolated over an entire global population we can still see the deviation.

You are an idiot and should be treated like the idiot you are...OH WAIT you ARE treated like the moronic idiot you present yourself as!

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

No, its an asshole that would dismiss someones personal story because it does not fit their agenda.

The fact of the matter is that statistics show higher than normal suicide; disease; drug use; violence; multiple sexual partner rates among the homosexual community.

This indicates a less than "gay" community.

go away....you are on the losing side, deal with it.

No, I am not on a "losing" side. I am on the right side in a lost culture. But you don't shut up at the risk of not being popular.

What I posted is factual...not emotional.

You’re on the side of hate, fear, and ignorance.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"Provide for the common defense and promote the general welfare" sticks in my mind.

Yep....that's fine. So...encouraging stable married relationships is bad.....how?

There is encouraging stable married relationships amongst normal people, and...

There is encouraging stable married relationships amongst freaks of nature...

I'm entirely sympatico with the former...

I couldn't give a tinker's damn less about the latter...

Homosexuals are normal people.

That you believe otherwise is thankfully irrelevant, and why we have a Constitution to protect citizens from your hate.

 

[Pasco08]

Pretty sure most gays choose to do so.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Gays should have the same rights as everyone else.

They already do, and always have.

The problem rests with those who seek to deny homosexuals their rights.