Do Federal/State/Local Governments Create Jobs?

Do Federal/State/Local Governments Create Jobs?


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The Government is a major sector of our jobs market that is constantly attacked by conservatives

The government is a major sector for useless parasites who receive a paycheck. Every government employee is just a weight around the taxpayer's neck. Why wouldn't anyone attack that?
come on out and carry a mail route....at the end of the week we will see if you will say the same thing....

If the mail was delivered by private firms, it would cost half as much and arrive in half the time.
sure it would.....and thats not what you were talking about was it?...

Yes, I think it would. Furthermore, I bet private carriers would give you an option that would stop junk mail from coming to your mailbox. Private carriers would also refuse to deliver junk mail at a huge discount as the Post Office does, and that would cut down on the cost for the rest of us.
 
The Government is a major sector of our jobs market that is constantly attacked by conservatives

The government is a major sector for useless parasites who receive a paycheck. Every government employee is just a weight around the taxpayer's neck. Why wouldn't anyone attack that?
come on out and carry a mail route....at the end of the week we will see if you will say the same thing....

If the mail was delivered by private firms, it would cost half as much and arrive in half the time.
Nonsense. Private firms already deliver mail. It's not any cheaper.

For daily cheap delivery private firms would probably limit to PO boxes where you have to take a drive to get your mail. House to house daily is a large cost. They'd probably make you wade through a coffee house with tons of product up-sells just to get your mail.
and UPS has said in the past the PO is losing a lot of money by not charging to fwd first class.....
 
Government cannot create jobs Virtually all government jobs are paid for by taxes taken from corporations and private citizens. That represents money that cannot be spent on improving products, inventing new ones, etc. Obviously some government functions are necessary, like patent office and courts. But the vast majority of the bureaucracy represents dead loss--money thrown down a pit.
Like pay for police and firemen.

Policemen and firemen are grossly overpaid, especially when it comes to their pensions.

Who you gonna call when your house is on fire or there is a prowler in your yard? The CEO of the Bank of America?

Envy much? You too might have been a fire fighter or police officer, but for the civil service test, the psychological evaluations, the background check and the three or four interviews you would need to have passed.

Then you too could be out in the cold, working graveyard on Christmas Eve and putting yourself in harms way. Today you would be happy to have that pension, well earned by those of us who had the smarts, skills and education to be secure such employment.

BTW, what do/did you do for a living?
 
The Government is a major sector of our jobs market that is constantly attacked by conservatives

The government is a major sector for useless parasites who receive a paycheck. Every government employee is just a weight around the taxpayer's neck. Why wouldn't anyone attack that?
come on out and carry a mail route....at the end of the week we will see if you will say the same thing....

If the mail was delivered by private firms, it would cost half as much and arrive in half the time.
Nonsense. Private firms already deliver mail. It's not any cheaper.

For daily cheap delivery private firms would probably limit to PO boxes where you have to take a drive to get your mail. House to house daily is a large cost. They'd probably make you wade through a coffee house with tons of product up-sells just to get your mail.

It's illegal for private firms to deliver 1st class mail.

We've already had this discussion in the past, and I don't want to have a repeat.
You're funny. I'm not looking for a repeat. You are the one that claimed private firms have the answer to cheap daily mail delivery, not me.
 
The Government is a major sector of our jobs market that is constantly attacked by conservatives

The government is a major sector for useless parasites who receive a paycheck. Every government employee is just a weight around the taxpayer's neck. Why wouldn't anyone attack that?
come on out and carry a mail route....at the end of the week we will see if you will say the same thing....

If the mail was delivered by private firms, it would cost half as much and arrive in half the time.
sure it would.....and thats not what you were talking about was it?...

Yes, I think it would. Furthermore, I bet private carriers would give you an option that would stop junk mail from coming to your mailbox. Private carriers would also refuse to deliver junk mail at a huge discount as the Post Office does, and that would cut down on the cost for the rest of us.
the reason many want to privatize the PO is because of the money that is in junk mail......this is a multi billion dollar a year industry that is growing....those private carriers would love to have a piece of that...so you are wrong on that.....and i notice you are avoiding the statement you made about useless parasites who receive a paycheck for the useless job they have.....we used to love the new carriers who had your attitude...."hey how hard could it be?"....after a week their attitude was somewhat different.....
 
Cheap mail has already been solved. It's called electronic, faxes, etc. And that's what killed profitability for the post office.
 
Government cannot create jobs Virtually all government jobs are paid for by taxes taken from corporations and private citizens. That represents money that cannot be spent on improving products, inventing new ones, etc. Obviously some government functions are necessary, like patent office and courts. But the vast majority of the bureaucracy represents dead loss--money thrown down a pit.
Like pay for police and firemen.

Policemen and firemen are grossly overpaid, especially when it comes to their pensions.

Who you gonna call when your house is on fire or there is a prowler in your yard? The CEO of the Bank of America?

Envy much? You too might have been a fire fighter or police officer, but for the civil service test, the psychological evaluations, the background check and the three or four interviews you would need to have passed.

Then you too could be out in the cold, working graveyard on Christmas Eve and putting yourself in harms way. Today you would be happy to have that pension, well earned by those of us who had the smarts, skills and education to be secure such employment.

BTW, what do/did you do for a living?
some of the pensions Wry are out of line.....an Anaheim cop who lived on my route told me they get 90% of their pay during retirement....and if they are hurt they get additional funds for the injury.....im not against that....but the 90%....thats pretty dam nice....
 
Cheap mail has already been solved. It's called electronic, faxes, etc. And that's what killed profitability for the post office.
and they have also realized that the money is no longer in first class....its in AD Mail and Parcels....
 
The government is a major sector for useless parasites who receive a paycheck. Every government employee is just a weight around the taxpayer's neck. Why wouldn't anyone attack that?
come on out and carry a mail route....at the end of the week we will see if you will say the same thing....

If the mail was delivered by private firms, it would cost half as much and arrive in half the time.
Nonsense. Private firms already deliver mail. It's not any cheaper.

For daily cheap delivery private firms would probably limit to PO boxes where you have to take a drive to get your mail. House to house daily is a large cost. They'd probably make you wade through a coffee house with tons of product up-sells just to get your mail.

It's illegal for private firms to deliver 1st class mail.

We've already had this discussion in the past, and I don't want to have a repeat.
You're funny. I'm not looking for a repeat. You are the one that claimed private firms have the answer to cheap daily mail delivery, not me.

Yes, and then you displayed your ignorance by claiming the private firms can already deliver 1st class mail.
 
Government cannot create jobs Virtually all government jobs are paid for by taxes taken from corporations and private citizens. That represents money that cannot be spent on improving products, inventing new ones, etc. Obviously some government functions are necessary, like patent office and courts. But the vast majority of the bureaucracy represents dead loss--money thrown down a pit.
Like pay for police and firemen.

Policemen and firemen are grossly overpaid, especially when it comes to their pensions.
And we see that you disdain workers and retirees.

I suppose everyone should be Bill Gates.

But what the shallow thinking Reactionary fails to understand is Bill Gates is the exception, not the rule.

People who make half the money and who don't get a pension are paying for police and firemen to get a 100% pension after working only 20 years. That means some retire when they are 52. They are retired longer than they worked.

So if you think that policemen and firemen aren't any better than the rest of us and are not entitled to gold plated pensions, then you "hate workers and retirees?"

Where do they train drones like you to spew these knee-jerk platitudes?

You make stuff up! Our retirement, which may be the best of all civil service Safety Retirement systems is based on a formula. At age 50 an officer can retire at 3% per year of their final compensation.

That means a safety employee can only reach 99% of their final years annual salary after working 33 years. Most systems do not allow a retiree to be compensated for more than their annual salary, though some do (google the Ventura Decision for details).

The 3% factor is only for Safety Employees - police and fire, generally. For most civil servants the factor is less, 2.5% or 2.0%; thus normal civil servants who earn 2.0% will need to work 50 years to achieve 100% of their final years compensation.

BTW, the annual salary can be augmented by being compensated for unused vacation (up to three weeks in our system), and management benefits which add approx. 15% to the final compensation.
 
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come on out and carry a mail route....at the end of the week we will see if you will say the same thing....

If the mail was delivered by private firms, it would cost half as much and arrive in half the time.
Nonsense. Private firms already deliver mail. It's not any cheaper.

For daily cheap delivery private firms would probably limit to PO boxes where you have to take a drive to get your mail. House to house daily is a large cost. They'd probably make you wade through a coffee house with tons of product up-sells just to get your mail.

It's illegal for private firms to deliver 1st class mail.

We've already had this discussion in the past, and I don't want to have a repeat.
You're funny. I'm not looking for a repeat. You are the one that claimed private firms have the answer to cheap daily mail delivery, not me.

Yes, and then you displayed your ignorance by claiming the private firms can already deliver 1st class mail.
Quote me saying that you LYING POS. Where did I say that? Huh? Where?
 
Let me give you an example of how the government creates jobs in the private sector.

I am an Environmental Engineer. I currently am employed by the county as the Building Inspector, but previously I was employed by two engineering firms, both private sector employers. Our clients included the Department of Defense.

Several of my field projects involved the assessment and abatement of hazardous materials on Navy and Army bases all around the globe. I had to visit these bases, complete a survey of them for asbestos containing building materials, lead based paints, underground storage tanks, PCB contamination, waste water treatment and disposal, chemical storage and containment, residual waste collection and disposal and biohazard remediation.

Beyond the efforts of myself and my crews in the field, additional training and certifications had to be obtained. That meant professionals involved in the training and certifications of individuals and firms had to be employed.

Personal Protective equipment had to be purchased. Housing and transportation had to be secured for our overseas travels.

Now, the government did not directly employ any of us, but their contracts made all that possible.

Without our efforts, property transfers into private hands would not be possible. Without the proper environmental precautions, no insurance underwriter would sell the purchaser any policies. Without insurance, no financing would be available to those private concerns.

Now, there were private vendors servicing all those bases. Building maintenance, road construction and repair, food services, and grounds maintenance were just a few of the services provided by private contractors.

And this is just my own limited experiences with government contracts. Imagine all the other privately employed individuals and firms interacting with government entities here and abroad.

Yes indeed, the government creates jobs.
 
I've heard many GOPers say they don't. However, I feel strongly that they do. All one has to do is think about it for a minute and the answer should become obvious. However, the biggest job creators are consumers with money to spend.

Of Course the Government Can Create Jobs - Forbes

GOVERNMENT DOESN’T CREATE JOBS?!?!?!? SINCE WHEN???

Need and demand create jobs. People create jobs. A job is created by them who CAPITALIZE on the need. Ultimately, the market determines if there is a need or demand and adjusts itself to fill that need. A government can sometimes be a catalyst used by the market but its not the government's duty to create jobs.

Corporations are people....
Governments are people...

Both hires people to perform a task and pays them

Yet one creates jobs and the other one doesn't?
 
If the mail was delivered by private firms, it would cost half as much and arrive in half the time.
Nonsense. Private firms already deliver mail. It's not any cheaper.

For daily cheap delivery private firms would probably limit to PO boxes where you have to take a drive to get your mail. House to house daily is a large cost. They'd probably make you wade through a coffee house with tons of product up-sells just to get your mail.

It's illegal for private firms to deliver 1st class mail.

We've already had this discussion in the past, and I don't want to have a repeat.
You're funny. I'm not looking for a repeat. You are the one that claimed private firms have the answer to cheap daily mail delivery, not me.

Yes, and then you displayed your ignorance by claiming the private firms can already deliver 1st class mail.
Quote me saying that you LYING POS. Where did I say that? Huh? Where?

:popcorn:

I love mental-midget wrestling.
 
If the mail was delivered by private firms, it would cost half as much and arrive in half the time.
Nonsense. Private firms already deliver mail. It's not any cheaper.

For daily cheap delivery private firms would probably limit to PO boxes where you have to take a drive to get your mail. House to house daily is a large cost. They'd probably make you wade through a coffee house with tons of product up-sells just to get your mail.

It's illegal for private firms to deliver 1st class mail.

We've already had this discussion in the past, and I don't want to have a repeat.
You're funny. I'm not looking for a repeat. You are the one that claimed private firms have the answer to cheap daily mail delivery, not me.

Yes, and then you displayed your ignorance by claiming the private firms can already deliver 1st class mail.
Quote me saying that you LYING POS. Where did I say that? Huh? Where?

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"Nonsense. Private firms already deliver mail. It's not any cheaper."
 
Nonsense. Private firms already deliver mail. It's not any cheaper.

For daily cheap delivery private firms would probably limit to PO boxes where you have to take a drive to get your mail. House to house daily is a large cost. They'd probably make you wade through a coffee house with tons of product up-sells just to get your mail.

It's illegal for private firms to deliver 1st class mail.

We've already had this discussion in the past, and I don't want to have a repeat.
You're funny. I'm not looking for a repeat. You are the one that claimed private firms have the answer to cheap daily mail delivery, not me.

Yes, and then you displayed your ignorance by claiming the private firms can already deliver 1st class mail.
Quote me saying that you LYING POS. Where did I say that? Huh? Where?

:popcorn:

I love mental-midget wrestling.

Yeah, you get to do it every time you wrestle.
 
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It's illegal for private firms to deliver 1st class mail.

We've already had this discussion in the past, and I don't want to have a repeat.
You're funny. I'm not looking for a repeat. You are the one that claimed private firms have the answer to cheap daily mail delivery, not me.

Yes, and then you displayed your ignorance by claiming the private firms can already deliver 1st class mail.
Quote me saying that you LYING POS. Where did I say that? Huh? Where?

:popcorn:

I love mental-midget wrestling.

Yeah, you get to do it every time you wrestle.

Hilarious....
 
Nonsense. Private firms already deliver mail. It's not any cheaper.

For daily cheap delivery private firms would probably limit to PO boxes where you have to take a drive to get your mail. House to house daily is a large cost. They'd probably make you wade through a coffee house with tons of product up-sells just to get your mail.

It's illegal for private firms to deliver 1st class mail.

We've already had this discussion in the past, and I don't want to have a repeat.
You're funny. I'm not looking for a repeat. You are the one that claimed private firms have the answer to cheap daily mail delivery, not me.

Yes, and then you displayed your ignorance by claiming the private firms can already deliver 1st class mail.
Quote me saying that you LYING POS. Where did I say that? Huh? Where?

Post #593

"Nonsense. Private firms already deliver mail. It's not any cheaper."

Private firms do deliver mail. What part of private "mail" carriers being common place is confusing you"? You've never heard of fed-ex? You added the term first class to mail, not me. Mail is a generic term.
 
Nonsense. Private firms already deliver mail. It's not any cheaper.

For daily cheap delivery private firms would probably limit to PO boxes where you have to take a drive to get your mail. House to house daily is a large cost. They'd probably make you wade through a coffee house with tons of product up-sells just to get your mail.

It's illegal for private firms to deliver 1st class mail.

We've already had this discussion in the past, and I don't want to have a repeat.
You're funny. I'm not looking for a repeat. You are the one that claimed private firms have the answer to cheap daily mail delivery, not me.

Yes, and then you displayed your ignorance by claiming the private firms can already deliver 1st class mail.
Quote me saying that you LYING POS. Where did I say that? Huh? Where?

:popcorn:

I love mental-midget wrestling.

Have you won any awards yet?
 
You're funny. I'm not looking for a repeat. You are the one that claimed private firms have the answer to cheap daily mail delivery, not me.

Yes, and then you displayed your ignorance by claiming the private firms can already deliver 1st class mail.
Quote me saying that you LYING POS. Where did I say that? Huh? Where?

:popcorn:

I love mental-midget wrestling.

Yeah, you get to do it every time you wrestle.

Hilarious....

You didn't get the joke, did you?
 
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