Do Federal/State/Local Governments Create Jobs?

[Iceweasel]

The public sector can actually solve simple poverty in our republic through that form of socialism, the private sector can only cover multitudes of sins through capitalism.

That didn't make sense when you posted it before. How about explaining it instead of doing an autobot routine? How specifically can the government solve 'simple' poverty and why hasn't the first 15 trillion worked?

It helps if you have a clue and a Cause, and not just "canned" propaganda and rhetoric that is only as relevant as any diversion and that form of fallacy.

We should be solving simple poverty with existing legal and physical infrastructure simply because, supply side economics should be supplying us with better governance at lower cost.

We already have a federal doctrine and State laws regarding the concept of employment at will. We already have the concept of unemployment compensation. Why not establish a form of "minimum wage" through unemployment compensation instead of regulations on employers?

I asked you to explain your comment since it made no sense. Don't blame me.

So your meaning was to pay people minimum wage whether they work or not and that will turn the economy around.


LOL.

 

[danielpalos]

I only "blame" you to the extent you don't have a clue or your own Cause.

No. My meaning was to solve simple poverty and lower our tax burden by ending our useless, War on Poverty; and, not only that, but to lower our Tax burden simply because supply side economics should be supplying us with better governance at lower cost.

Besides, an public policy constitutes an public use.

 

[Lakhota]

Government is Good

Why a website defending government? Because for decades conservatives have been demonizing and attacking government and not enough has been done to defend it. We need to recognize that despite its problems, government plays an essential role in promoting the good life for all Americans. When we recklessly reduce and underfund this institution, we are hampering our ability to improve people’s lives and to effectively address our pressing social, economic, and environmental problems.

To see what is at stake in this battle over government, we need only consider how efforts to limit government in this country have caused us to fall behind many other advanced democracies in providing important public services. Most western European countries, for instance, have larger public sectors and do much better in a wide variety of areas, including retirement security, poverty reduction, child care availability, affordable higher education, pollution control, limiting workplace injuries, affordable housing, crime control, infrastructure investment, healthcare access, and much more. A 2014 study found that among similar countries, the U.S. ranks 31st in personal safety, 34th in access to water and sanitation, 39th in basic education, 69th in ecosystem sustainability, and 70th in health.

And yet Republicans continue to insist that what we need is even less government, and they persist in waging a relentless political war against this institution. They have been joined in this anti-government crusade by libertarian thinkers, Tea Party activists, right-wing media pundits, and wealthy corporate lobbies. Make no mistake: the goal of this anti-government movement is not merely to eliminate waste or make the government more efficient. The ultimate aim is to undo many of the most important and successful government programs that have been in place since the New Deal and the Great Society. They want to slash spending on vital safety net programs like Medicare, Medicaid, Food Stamps, and Social Security. They would like to roll back key regulations protecting consumers, workers, and the environment. And they want to reduce taxes so drastically that many crucial programs and agencies would be starved of funds.

Many Republicans have even called for the wholesale dismantling of entire federal agencies. Their hit list includes the Environmental Protection Agency and the Departments of Energy, Housing and Urban Development, Commerce, Interior, and Education. And at a time when polls show that a majority of Americans want increased regulation of the energy industry, health care companies, and the financial industry, conservatives are saying they want much less oversight. As former Republican Representative Ron Paul once explained: “I don’t think we need regulators.” This kind of anti-government extremism has come to dominate the Republican Party.

Articles on this site will also show that the arguments used by conservative to try to justify their attacks on government are often based on misinformation and faulty assumptions. Consider, for example, the charge that the federal bureaucracy is growing at an uncontrollable rate. Simply not true. The facts are these: in 1970, 2,944,000 civilians worked in the federal executive branch; by 2012, that figure had grown to – or rather been reduced to – 2,697,000. In 1966, the federal government employed 4.3% of all people with jobs in the U.S. In 2013, federal employees made up only 2% of the total workforce. So much for the ever-growing federal bureaucracy.

Most of the other traditional conservative criticisms of government are off the mark as well. This site shows that Americans are not hugely overtaxed, that big government does not inevitably impinge on individual freedoms, and that government is not the natural enemy of business.

Much More: Government is Good - An Unapologetic Defense of a Vital Institution

Despite its imperfections, government is not our enemy - it is our friend.

 

[RKMBrown]

Government is Good

Why a website defending government? Because for decades conservatives have been demonizing and attacking government and not enough has been done to defend it. We need to recognize that despite its problems, government plays an essential role in promoting the good life for all Americans. When we recklessly reduce and underfund this institution, we are hampering our ability to improve people’s lives and to effectively address our pressing social, economic, and environmental problems.

To see what is at stake in this battle over government, we need only consider how efforts to limit government in this country have caused us to fall behind many other advanced democracies in providing important public services. Most western European countries, for instance, have larger public sectors and do much better in a wide variety of areas, including retirement security, poverty reduction, child care availability, affordable higher education, pollution control, limiting workplace injuries, affordable housing, crime control, infrastructure investment, healthcare access, and much more. A 2014 study found that among similar countries, the U.S. ranks 31st in personal safety, 34th in access to water and sanitation, 39th in basic education, 69th in ecosystem sustainability, and 70th in health.

And yet Republicans continue to insist that what we need is even less government, and they persist in waging a relentless political war against this institution. They have been joined in this anti-government crusade by libertarian thinkers, Tea Party activists, right-wing media pundits, and wealthy corporate lobbies. Make no mistake: the goal of this anti-government movement is not merely to eliminate waste or make the government more efficient. The ultimate aim is to undo many of the most important and successful government programs that have been in place since the New Deal and the Great Society. They want to slash spending on vital safety net programs like Medicare, Medicaid, Food Stamps, and Social Security. They would like to roll back key regulations protecting consumers, workers, and the environment. And they want to reduce taxes so drastically that many crucial programs and agencies would be starved of funds.

Many Republicans have even called for the wholesale dismantling of entire federal agencies. Their hit list includes the Environmental Protection Agency and the Departments of Energy, Housing and Urban Development, Commerce, Interior, and Education. And at a time when polls show that a majority of Americans want increased regulation of the energy industry, health care companies, and the financial industry, conservatives are saying they want much less oversight. As former Republican Representative Ron Paul once explained: “I don’t think we need regulators.” This kind of anti-government extremism has come to dominate the Republican Party.

Articles on this site will also show that the arguments used by conservative to try to justify their attacks on government are often based on misinformation and faulty assumptions. Consider, for example, the charge that the federal bureaucracy is growing at an uncontrollable rate. Simply not true. The facts are these: in 1970, 2,944,000 civilians worked in the federal executive branch; by 2012, that figure had grown to – or rather been reduced to – 2,697,000. In 1966, the federal government employed 4.3% of all people with jobs in the U.S. In 2013, federal employees made up only 2% of the total workforce. So much for the ever-growing federal bureaucracy.

Most of the other traditional conservative criticisms of government are off the mark as well. This site shows that Americans are not hugely overtaxed, that big government does not inevitably impinge on individual freedoms, and that government is not the natural enemy of business.

Much More: Government is Good - An Unapologetic Defense of a Vital Institution

Despite its imperfections, government is not our enemy - it is our friend.

I go by trust but verify. I have verified that I can no longer trust this federal government on any subject matter. With this fact in hand I discern that for the most part, this government is no longer our friend by default, oh no sir, more often than not it is our mortal enemy choosing to steal from us, to destroy the things we treasure.

 

[Lakhota]

Government is Good

Why a website defending government? Because for decades conservatives have been demonizing and attacking government and not enough has been done to defend it. We need to recognize that despite its problems, government plays an essential role in promoting the good life for all Americans. When we recklessly reduce and underfund this institution, we are hampering our ability to improve people’s lives and to effectively address our pressing social, economic, and environmental problems.

To see what is at stake in this battle over government, we need only consider how efforts to limit government in this country have caused us to fall behind many other advanced democracies in providing important public services. Most western European countries, for instance, have larger public sectors and do much better in a wide variety of areas, including retirement security, poverty reduction, child care availability, affordable higher education, pollution control, limiting workplace injuries, affordable housing, crime control, infrastructure investment, healthcare access, and much more. A 2014 study found that among similar countries, the U.S. ranks 31st in personal safety, 34th in access to water and sanitation, 39th in basic education, 69th in ecosystem sustainability, and 70th in health.

And yet Republicans continue to insist that what we need is even less government, and they persist in waging a relentless political war against this institution. They have been joined in this anti-government crusade by libertarian thinkers, Tea Party activists, right-wing media pundits, and wealthy corporate lobbies. Make no mistake: the goal of this anti-government movement is not merely to eliminate waste or make the government more efficient. The ultimate aim is to undo many of the most important and successful government programs that have been in place since the New Deal and the Great Society. They want to slash spending on vital safety net programs like Medicare, Medicaid, Food Stamps, and Social Security. They would like to roll back key regulations protecting consumers, workers, and the environment. And they want to reduce taxes so drastically that many crucial programs and agencies would be starved of funds.

Many Republicans have even called for the wholesale dismantling of entire federal agencies. Their hit list includes the Environmental Protection Agency and the Departments of Energy, Housing and Urban Development, Commerce, Interior, and Education. And at a time when polls show that a majority of Americans want increased regulation of the energy industry, health care companies, and the financial industry, conservatives are saying they want much less oversight. As former Republican Representative Ron Paul once explained: “I don’t think we need regulators.” This kind of anti-government extremism has come to dominate the Republican Party.

Articles on this site will also show that the arguments used by conservative to try to justify their attacks on government are often based on misinformation and faulty assumptions. Consider, for example, the charge that the federal bureaucracy is growing at an uncontrollable rate. Simply not true. The facts are these: in 1970, 2,944,000 civilians worked in the federal executive branch; by 2012, that figure had grown to – or rather been reduced to – 2,697,000. In 1966, the federal government employed 4.3% of all people with jobs in the U.S. In 2013, federal employees made up only 2% of the total workforce. So much for the ever-growing federal bureaucracy.

Most of the other traditional conservative criticisms of government are off the mark as well. This site shows that Americans are not hugely overtaxed, that big government does not inevitably impinge on individual freedoms, and that government is not the natural enemy of business.

Much More: Government is Good - An Unapologetic Defense of a Vital Institution

Despite its imperfections, government is not our enemy - it is our friend.

I go by trust but verify. I have verified that I can no longer trust this federal government on any subject matter. With this fact in hand I discern that for the most part, this government is no longer our friend by default, oh no sir, more often than not it is our mortal enemy choosing to steal from us, to destroy the things we treasure.

What things are being destroyed by government that "we" treasure? Who are the "we"? Conservatives?

 

[Lakhota]

Each day, my life is safer, healthier, happier, and more financially secure thanks to government.

 

[bripat9643]

Which link?

The link he's too chicken shit to quote directly.

I posted the link, dumbass.

Of course you did.... And the reason you did it was to avoid quoting it directly because by any mature standard, you sound like a lunatic.

No, the reason I avoided quoting it directly is the fact that the subject is complex and can't be explained in a paragraph or two. Quoting the entire article would be illegal. It should be easy to show I would sound like a lunatic simply by quoting the portion of the article that yo believe to be crazy.

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For one example, consider the following from your link:

However, in complex modern societies self-defense will constitute only a small part in the overall production of security. In today's world we do not produce our own shoes, suits and telephones; we partake in the advantages of the division of labor. This is also true of the production of security. To a large extent, we rely on specialized agents and agencies to protect our life and property. In particular, most people rely on freely financed and competing insurance companies for their protection, and this reliance on insurers will tend to increase and intensify the greater and more valuable the quantity of one's property. Insurance companies in turn will associate and cooperate with police and detective agencies, either directly as a subdivision of the insurance company or indirectly as separate business entities. At the same time, insurance agencies will cooperate constantly with internal and with independent, external arbitrators and arbitration agencies.

How would this competitive system of interconnected insurance, police, and arbitration agencies work?

Competition among insurers, police, and arbitrators for paying clients would bring about a tendency toward a continuous fall in the price of protection (per insured value), thus rendering protection more affordable. In contrast, a monopolistic protector who may tax the protected can charge ever higher prices for his services.

What is being sponsored in the above rubbish is the simple argument that those who would like protection from the police will have to pay for it; meaning that if you fall behind a few payments, you are in danger of being without protection.

Basically this is what organized crime did. You paid protection to the same people who would attack you if you didn't pay them.

Now, your counter argument will be that either "you're crazy" which is what you keep saying to every one else or that "nobody is going to attack you if you are not current on your payments". Yeah...right. Afterall, who are you going to call to come to your rescue?

This is just one of a plethora of nonsense in that target-rich-environment of your link. Start spinning.

Organized crime practiced extortion. They didn't provide security. Your comparison is obvious horseshit. What you're trying to say is that not making your insurance payment or a store not paying for a security guard is the same as some Mafioso breaking your leg because you didn't pay his extortion money.

You can't discredit it without lying about it.

Everything said is not only reasonable, it's irrefutable.

 

[danielpalos]

No one should confide in the sincerity of the right, if they don't advocating ending the entitlement spending on our wars on crime, drugs, poverty, and terror.

 

[candycorn]

The link he's too chicken shit to quote directly.

I posted the link, dumbass.

Of course you did.... And the reason you did it was to avoid quoting it directly because by any mature standard, you sound like a lunatic.

No, the reason I avoided quoting it directly is the fact that the subject is complex and can't be explained in a paragraph or two. Quoting the entire article would be illegal. It should be easy to show I would sound like a lunatic simply by quoting the portion of the article that yo believe to be crazy.

'
For one example, consider the following from your link:

However, in complex modern societies self-defense will constitute only a small part in the overall production of security. In today's world we do not produce our own shoes, suits and telephones; we partake in the advantages of the division of labor. This is also true of the production of security. To a large extent, we rely on specialized agents and agencies to protect our life and property. In particular, most people rely on freely financed and competing insurance companies for their protection, and this reliance on insurers will tend to increase and intensify the greater and more valuable the quantity of one's property. Insurance companies in turn will associate and cooperate with police and detective agencies, either directly as a subdivision of the insurance company or indirectly as separate business entities. At the same time, insurance agencies will cooperate constantly with internal and with independent, external arbitrators and arbitration agencies.

How would this competitive system of interconnected insurance, police, and arbitration agencies work?

Competition among insurers, police, and arbitrators for paying clients would bring about a tendency toward a continuous fall in the price of protection (per insured value), thus rendering protection more affordable. In contrast, a monopolistic protector who may tax the protected can charge ever higher prices for his services.

What is being sponsored in the above rubbish is the simple argument that those who would like protection from the police will have to pay for it; meaning that if you fall behind a few payments, you are in danger of being without protection.

Basically this is what organized crime did. You paid protection to the same people who would attack you if you didn't pay them.

Now, your counter argument will be that either "you're crazy" which is what you keep saying to every one else or that "nobody is going to attack you if you are not current on your payments". Yeah...right. Afterall, who are you going to call to come to your rescue?

This is just one of a plethora of nonsense in that target-rich-environment of your link. Start spinning.

Organized crime practiced extortion. They didn't provide security. Your comparison is obvious horseshit. What you're trying to say is that not making your insurance payment or a store not paying for a security guard is the same as some Mafioso breaking your leg because you didn't pay his extortion money.

You can't discredit it without lying about it.

Everything said is not only reasonable, it's irrefutable.

What your sage is recommending is exactly what any mob lawyer would say they were doing. I don't need to discredit it; nobody in their right mind would remotely consider endorsing such a scheme. Which is why you're not willing to quote your source...it sounds as horseshit whacky as we all know you are.

Otherwise, you'd be bringing up the "remedies"....you don't. There is a reason.

I own you.

 

[rightwinger]

The Government is a major sector of our jobs market that is constantly attacked by conservatives

 

[bripat9643]

The Government is a major sector of our jobs market that is constantly attacked by conservatives

The government is a major sector for useless parasites who receive a paycheck. Every government employee is just a weight around the taxpayer's neck. Why wouldn't anyone attack that?

 

[rightwinger]

The Government is a major sector of our jobs market that is constantly attacked by conservatives

The government is a major sector for useless parasites who receive a paycheck. Every government employee is just a weight around the taxpayer's neck. Why wouldn't anyone attack that?

The government provides essential public services. To pretend we don't need schools, police, defense, a monetary system, a legal system is just anarchy

Oh wait....I'm talking to fingerboy

 

[bripat9643]

The Government is a major sector of our jobs market that is constantly attacked by conservatives

The government is a major sector for useless parasites who receive a paycheck. Every government employee is just a weight around the taxpayer's neck. Why wouldn't anyone attack that?

The government provides essential public services. To pretend we don't need schools, police, defense, a monetary system, a legal system is just anarchy

Oh wait....I'm talking to fingerboy

Those can all be provided by private companies at a much lower expense.

 

[rightwinger]

The Government is a major sector of our jobs market that is constantly attacked by conservatives

The government is a major sector for useless parasites who receive a paycheck. Every government employee is just a weight around the taxpayer's neck. Why wouldn't anyone attack that?

The government provides essential public services. To pretend we don't need schools, police, defense, a monetary system, a legal system is just anarchy

Oh wait....I'm talking to fingerboy

Those can all be provided by private companies at a much lower expense.

It is still government employment funded by taxpayers

. Fingerboy, you willing to turn our treasury and legal system over to private companies?
You are dumber than I thought

 

[Camp]

The Government is a major sector of our jobs market that is constantly attacked by conservatives

The government is a major sector for useless parasites who receive a paycheck. Every government employee is just a weight around the taxpayer's neck. Why wouldn't anyone attack that?

The government provides essential public services. To pretend we don't need schools, police, defense, a monetary system, a legal system is just anarchy

Oh wait....I'm talking to fingerboy

Those can all be provided by private companies at a much lower expense.

It never works out that way in reality. The private business always ends up finding ways to up cost once they get locked in. Prisons are a great example. Schools are another. Private security for government agencies another.

 

[bripat9643]

The Government is a major sector of our jobs market that is constantly attacked by conservatives

The government is a major sector for useless parasites who receive a paycheck. Every government employee is just a weight around the taxpayer's neck. Why wouldn't anyone attack that?

The government provides essential public services. To pretend we don't need schools, police, defense, a monetary system, a legal system is just anarchy

Oh wait....I'm talking to fingerboy

Those can all be provided by private companies at a much lower expense.

It is still government employment funded by taxpayers

. Fingerboy, you willing to turn our treasury and legal system over to private companies?
You are dumber than I thought

No, I have no intention of turning the treasury over to private companies. I plan on eliminating the treasury.

 

[Lakhota]

Government helps protect us from the animal within ourselves.

 

[Camp]

The Government is a major sector of our jobs market that is constantly attacked by conservatives

The government is a major sector for useless parasites who receive a paycheck. Every government employee is just a weight around the taxpayer's neck. Why wouldn't anyone attack that?

The government provides essential public services. To pretend we don't need schools, police, defense, a monetary system, a legal system is just anarchy

Oh wait....I'm talking to fingerboy

Those can all be provided by private companies at a much lower expense.

It is still government employment funded by taxpayers

. Fingerboy, you willing to turn our treasury and legal system over to private companies?
You are dumber than I thought

No, I have no intention of turning the treasury over to private companies. I plan on eliminating the treasury.

BRIPAT / PALIN 2016

 

[Camp]

Government helps protect us from the animal within ourselves.

There are medicines you can take for that. Mexicans just eat lots of hot peppers. Making sure you drink only treated and purified water also helps.

 

[Lakhota]

Government helps protect us from the animal within ourselves.

There are medicines you can take for that. Mexicans just eat lots of hot peppers. Making sure you drink only treated and purified water also helps.

Sorry I confused you. I was referring to the Freudian animal within ourselves:

The Id

The id is the primitive and instinctive component of personality. It consists of all the inherited (i.e. biological) components of personality, including the sex (life) instinct – Eros (which contains the libido), and the aggressive (death) instinct - Thanatos.

The id is the impulsive (and unconscious) part of our psyche which responds directly and immediately to the instincts. The personality of the newborn child is all id and only later does it develop an ego and super-ego.

The id demands immediate satisfaction and when this happens we experience pleasure, when it is denied we experience ‘unpleasure’ or pain. The id is not affected by reality, logic or the everyday world.

On the contrary, it operates on the pleasure principle (Freud, 1920) which is the idea that every wishful impulse should be satisfied immediately, regardless of the consequences.

The id engages in primary process thinking, which is primitive, illogical, irrational, and fantasy oriented.

Id, Ego and Superego - Simply Psychology