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- #21
That is a good way to do it, in fact I think some states do (maybe CA?). GPA, yes. Test scores? No. Test scores really only measure one’s ability to do well on a test which is increasingly abetted by an entire for profit industry built around helping students improve test scores, which locks out millions of families who can’t afford it. Test scores are also increasingly found to not necessarily be indicative of overall success and with education being key to moving up it would increase the economic gap.I‘ve given my recommendation before. The top 5% of every graduating class in every school get automatic admission to State U, tuition-free. We could drop that down to top 10% for auto admission. It would be measured as it used to be - GPA and test scores.
Are the minimum standards lowered? Any data?Of course the “black standards” are lowered. This is why blacks get admitted to competitive programs with substantially lower grades and scores than the whites who are rejected. Nobody other than a blind leftist would deny this.
Graduation rates hide the real story. The blacks who are academically behind the whites, yet admitted anyway, require handholding and tutoring all the way through. The LAST thing the leftist universities want out is that their AA admits flunk out at a much higher rate, so they work hard to prevent it.
hmmm…
What is often found is though they struggle at the start, quite often after the first year many are on par with their peers. Another factor to consider too, and that is first generation college students. This is another category that often gets “affirmative action” regardless of race. They struggle because they may often lack the support structure and background that a student from a family with college degrees have. Yet, despite needing extra help along the way, they make and that success is passed on in greater economic opportunities and children more likely to go college. Is that a bad thing or only bad if it happens to be black students?
You don’t think this type of thing is tracked? We know which black kids got in under below-par standards, and which blacks got in with the “regular” highly competitive standards. These latter blacks did NOT require all the tutoring.
Ok, show m the data.
And as I said, the graduation rate doesn’t tell the whole story.
My so-called obsession with racial admissions came after years of work in higher Ed admissions - and the recognition of blatant racism associated with who gets in and who gets rejected.
I work in higher Ed and in the admissions process for our Department. That doesn’t mean a thing except for opinion. Show me the data.
And again, graduation rates count for little. I graduated at the very top of my class and never had a tutor for anything. (I actually tutored others - as a volunteer job.) My roommate squeaked through with Cs, an occsssional D, and an even rarer B - and that was WITH tons of tutoring. Yet we would appear equally qualified - we both graduated - even though that wasn’t true.