Did Jesus Exist?

[ScienceRocks]

Did Jesus Exist?



I was blown away with the lack of evidence for Jesus outside of the bible. The bible of course is a mish mash of text that doesn't even make much sense!

Watch through this video and come to your conclusion.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"Did Jesus Exist?"

Not as perceived by Christians, no.

 

[gipper]

"Did Jesus Exist?"

Not as perceived by Christians, no.

Please explain.

 

[gipper]

Did Jesus Exist?



I was blown away with the lack of evidence for Jesus outside of the bible. The bible of course is a mish mash of text that doesn't even make much sense!

Watch through this video and come to your conclusion.

Only an idiot would ask such a question. You clearly have no knowledge of the subject, but somehow that never stops you from posting absurd OPs.

 

[August West]

He did exist and there`s no evidence that he hated gays or anyone else. Sorry righties.

 

[usmbguest5318]

Did Jesus Exist?

I doesn't matter to me whether a single person whom we think of as Jesus of the Bible did or didn't exist because among his many statements, the theological ones aren't the ones I find useful as insights by which I can fulfillingly, fruitfully and peaceably live my life.

 

[Bonzi]

Did Jesus Exist?



I was blown away with the lack of evidence for Jesus outside of the bible. The bible of course is a mish mash of text that doesn't even make much sense!

Watch through this video and come to your conclusion.

Most everyone agrees Jesus existed. Who is was is the question up for debate

 

[TNHarley]

I have no doubt a guy named Jesus existed.
Having a lack of evidence from 2000 years ago is a ridiculous argument.

 

[HaShev]

For the people who assume Jesus existed and that it is a stupid question, I'd like to remind you that propaganda uses enough truth and reality to make the far fetched claims seem real, in this case historical.
The prophecy of the fallen son of perdition is about an "Image of a man" not an actual historical man. That this image would be the "great deception" =fake (good)news.
Rome used real historical martyred characters in emulating (plagiarizing) the mythologiesof many cultures especially Baal and Mithras. By using historical characters you become DUPED into thinking the figure existed when he did not as a singular historical real figure (only his portions of stories fit many lives). You start boasting as if he was a real historical figure until you canct tell us which (of the many) christs you are referring to and thus find out your era and stories don't match a singular figure..
Thus he is an "image of a (fallen=perdition)man" lifted high as a god and used to speak and subvert and control through in the greatest of deceptions.
The only ignorance is in refusing to talk about the historical reality when spewing Rome's mythical compilations used to control many kingdoms through the guise of religious authority.
Sources: research:
There are many Christs used to make the Jesus image. The one Rome(called the harlot church) favored in their trinity of christs was Yeshu son of Mary the harlot of around 100bc. He started as a rabinnic trained Jew, but when he fled to Egypt with his mentor Rabbi Yohoshua ben Perachyah to avoid the Jannaeus revolt he must have become disenfranchised and definitely influenced by forbidden Egyptian
mysticsm which against laws of his time got him stoned and *hanged on a tree* as the NT accounts not crucified.
When he returned, he brought back forbidden maggis and Egyptian underworld beliefs in which case his beliefs and teachings were Luciferous in nature and no longer Jewish and those teachings blended well with the many sun cults and death cults Rome was converging into a one world religion. The NT and iconographs are full of
cryptic sayings regarding PHYSICAL (luciferous) light and Baal harvest seed analogies used for the seed harvest scams you see even today.
The other 2 main Christs in the image were revolters and they were crucified.
One Yehuda the Galilean in the Herod(died4bc)
Lysanias (died 35bc) era was a tax revolter, the other died in 45ad the Pilate era was political revolter Theudas by he Jordan who's apostles were the martyrs.

When you have a combined character given an image of a man it will combine and contradict 2 or more of the blames(Rome & elect of the Jews), the method of sentencing(hanged & crucified)
2 job professions (carpenter & fisherman)
2 hometowns (Capernaum and Nazareth),
2 death ages (closer to 50 says John but 33 is taught), era he lived (Herod and Lysanias is another era from Pilates AD era) and most important combined figures are given new names. All the combined apostles and christs become new names.

*hanged on a tree source:*
Historical accts of Yeshu of 100bc was he was stoned and hanged at passover(rare event cause it was a holiday), hanging was the punishment in that era.
The NT sources Mark and John Passover sentencing and hanged as the process:

Acts 5:30 "Jesus, whom ye slew (stoned)and hanged on a tree" Acts 10:39 "whom they slew and hanged on a tree" Acts 13:29 "they took him down from the tree" 1 Peter 2:24 "who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree" Galatians 3:13 "Christ... being made a curse upon us... Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree"

Sources for the history of (Yeshu) Jesus: philosopher Celsus (178 CE) Christian writer Epiphanius (c.320-403 CE), the Christian apologist Origen (c.185-254 CE) Within the Talmud Shabbos 104, the gemara explicitly discusses the mother being Stada and the father being Pandera. Jerusalem Talmud (Avodah Zerah II 40d)and in the Tosefta on Hullin II, and (Sanhedrin 43a & 67a). This story is further expanded upon in the Tosefta and Baraitas.
2 accounts:
-Dr. Franz Hartman -
& Gerald Massey's Lectures Originally published in a private edition c. 1900


According to the Babylonian Gemara to the Mishna of Tract "Shabbath," this Jehoshua, the son of Pandira and Stada, was stoned to death as a wizard, in the city of Lud, or Lydda,

Jesus ben Stada (or Pandera) was placedin the time period of about 90 B.C. in Lydda, a town Peter is said tohave visited in Acts.
The early church father Epiphanius around 400 said Pandera was the grandfather of Jesus (the story of Yeshu ben Panderas called Yeshu ben Stada son of Mary Stada).

This is not the same figure (Yehuda the Galilean tax revolter) in the time of Lysanias(died 35bc) and King Herod(4bc) nor the AD Pilate and Herod era figure (Theudas by the Jordan died 45ad) crucified for his revolt against Rome and who's apostles were the martyrs.
There's at least 3-6 christ figures combined to make the Jesus image, which is why he's given a new name.

The Roman empire one world religion leaves a clue at the end of it's formed book.
Rev 22:16 Jesus is revealed as the Morning Star (the fallen Nemesis of The God of Israel and his mediator Evening Star)
The Morning Star is the son of Baal and Ishtar(easter). The morning star was a giant fish hatched out of an egg hence the Easter Egg. Many don't know Dagon (fishman god)was the father of Baal & priests of Dagon wore fishead hats (mitres) and scale trim robes like the Pope wears today.
In fact the ring the Pope wears is the fishman god ring of dagon, the circle sun cross baal's cross. The Jesus death scene existed in Assyrian tablets found in 700 or 900bc about the death and resurrection of Bel (Baal). *can be found in Brittish Museum - called Marduk tablet.
The original trinity was Father (Baal)-Mother (Ishtar)-son (morning star=Lucifer) which is why they never dare mention this mysterious father they say is one in the same myth as Jesus=because they are masking Baal worship with a Jewish image trying to get Jews to fall and worship Baal= this was an early form of satanism.

[See Lucifer here etymology of "": "[ the morning star, a fallen rebel archangel, THE Devil, fr. OE. fr. Latin, the morning star, fr. Lucifer light-bearing, fr. luc light + -fer -ferous--more at LIGHT]" (Webster's, p.677)

"So we have the prophetic message more fully confirmed. You will do well to be attentive to this as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star (LUCIFER)rises in your hearts." -- 2 Peter 1:19
"... from my Father. To the one who conquers(DESTROYS) I will also give the morning star(LUCIFER)." -- Revelation 2:28
· Revelation 22:16 I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify these things in the churches.
· I am the bright and Morning Star (lucifer)

Source for Yehuda and Theudascan be found in Josephus and tbe NT book of Acts call them christ figures

 

[alang1216]

Did Jesus Exist?

I do believe he existed. I believe he was a Jewish zealot seeking the end of Roman rule in the land God gave to the Israelites. He also wanted to purify Jewish temple politics. When he came to the attention of the Jewish and Roman authorities he was summarily executed on the cross. Like everything else his story evolved and what started as the religion of Jesus became the religion about Jesus. Everything else, miracles, virgin birth, rising from the dead, fulfillment of prophesy, etc., was just postmortem PR.

 

[ding]

There are more than 24,000 written manuscripts that document His ministry.

 

[ding]

Did Jesus Exist?



I was blown away with the lack of evidence for Jesus outside of the bible. The bible of course is a mish mash of text that doesn't even make much sense!

Watch through this video and come to your conclusion.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you are gay. amirite?

 

[westwall]

Did Jesus Exist?



I was blown away with the lack of evidence for Jesus outside of the bible. The bible of course is a mish mash of text that doesn't even make much sense!

Watch through this video and come to your conclusion.

The simple answer is yes. Even the Romans wrote about him. Tacitus, in his Annals, stated..

Nero fastened the guilt ... on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of ... Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome

Pliny The Younger had this to say...

They were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of food – but food of an ordinary and innocent kind

The Babylonian Talmud, written between Ad 70 and 200 IIRC had this to say about him..

On the eve of the Passover Yeshu was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald ... cried, "He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy."

The Greek satirist from the second century, Lucien, had this to say..

The Christians ... worship a man to this day – the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account.... [It] was impressed on them by their original lawgiver that they are all brothers, from the moment that they are converted, and deny the gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his laws.

So, multiple people, from multiple locations, all of whom are NOT mentioned in the Bible, all write about a man who most definitely existed.

 

[HaShev]

Did Jesus Exist?



I was blown away with the lack of evidence for Jesus outside of the bible. The bible of course is a mish mash of text that doesn't even make much sense!

Watch through this video and come to your conclusion.

The simple answer is yes. Even the Romans wrote about him. Tacitus, in his Annals, stated..

Nero fastened the guilt ... on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of ... Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome

Pliny The Younger had this to say...

They were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of food – but food of an ordinary and innocent kind

The Babylonian Talmud, written between Ad 70 and 200 IIRC had this to say about him..

On the eve of the Passover Yeshu was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald ... cried, "He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy."

The Greek satirist from the second century, Lucien, had this to say..

The Christians ... worship a man to this day – the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account.... [It] was impressed on them by their original lawgiver that they are all brothers, from the moment that they are converted, and deny the gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his laws.

So, multiple people, from multiple locations, all of whom are NOT mentioned in the Bible, all write about a man who most definitely existed.

You just proved everything I said by discussing evidence of the many different figures instead of one singular figure.
The Talmud figure Yeshu is dated by his Recorded Rabbi Mentor, as well as Jannaeus revolt to be the 100bc era.
Historians record him in 90bc.
Then you mention the Pilate AD era
figure called Theudas by the Jordan river who died 45ad. How can you claim that evidence for one man when you proved the opposite, that the image is made up of many men, biblical figures, and mythical figures and stories.

 

[westwall]

Did Jesus Exist?



I was blown away with the lack of evidence for Jesus outside of the bible. The bible of course is a mish mash of text that doesn't even make much sense!

Watch through this video and come to your conclusion.

The simple answer is yes. Even the Romans wrote about him. Tacitus, in his Annals, stated..

Nero fastened the guilt ... on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of ... Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome

Pliny The Younger had this to say...

They were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of food – but food of an ordinary and innocent kind

The Babylonian Talmud, written between Ad 70 and 200 IIRC had this to say about him..

On the eve of the Passover Yeshu was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald ... cried, "He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy."

The Greek satirist from the second century, Lucien, had this to say..

The Christians ... worship a man to this day – the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account.... [It] was impressed on them by their original lawgiver that they are all brothers, from the moment that they are converted, and deny the gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his laws.

So, multiple people, from multiple locations, all of whom are NOT mentioned in the Bible, all write about a man who most definitely existed.

You just proved everything I said by discussing evidence of the many different figures instead of one singular figure.
The Talmud figure Yeshu is dated by his Recorded Rabbi Mentor, as well as Jannaeus revolt to be the 100bc era.
Historians record him in 90bc.
Then you mention the Pilate AD era
figure called Theudas by the Jordan river who died 45ad. How can you claim that evidence for one man when you proved the opposite, that the image is made up of many men, biblical figures, and mythical figures and stories.

They are all referring to the same, singular person. Not different people. That is as obvious as the nose on your face.

 

[HaShev]

Impossible: The span of eras is obvious.
100bc to 45 ad 3-4 combined figures become evident in 1) changed names
2)2 jobs (carpenter/fisherman),
3) 2 blames Rome(with Yehuda and Theudas) or Jewish elect (with Yeshu),
4) 2 persecution techniques Crucified/stoning & hanging)
5)2 home towns Capernaum & Nazareth that didn't exist in Pulate's era.
6)Lysanias died in 35bc can't be in the AD Pilate era Christs story but can in the Yehuda the Galilean 6bc crucified story. 7)Explain Baals 900 nc death scene in the Jesus story, Baal's birthday, Baal's cross, Baal's father Dagon hats robes customs and ring? Explain Mithras predated cross used? Explain Zoroastrianism plagiarized and OT plagiarism including the roles and story of the figures?
Explain Christianity admiting this would happen=Rome creating a one world religion using a false prophet.
Explain calling Jesus Baal's son then calling them one in the same?
Explain borrowing the Canaanite dying god ritual mythology?
Explain why Jesus appearance is always as a Luciferous light visitation to Paul and Constantine?
Explain why historians called Eusebius the great liar (who forged the books and helped compile the figure)?

 

[fncceo]

Of course he exists ....

 

[westwall]

Impossible: The span of eras is obvious.
100bc to 45 ad 3-4 combined figures become evident in 1) changed names
2)2 jobs (carpenter/fisherman),3) 2 blames,
4) 2 persecution techniques 5)Lysanias died in 35bc canct be in the AD Pilate era Christs story but can in the Yehuda the Galilean 6bc crucified story. 6)Explain Baals 900 nc death scene in the Jesus story, Baal's birthday, Baal's cross, Baal's father Dagon hats robes customs and ring? Explain Mithras predated cross used? Explain Zoroastrianism plagiarized and OT plagiarism including the roles and story of the figures?
Explain Christianity admiting this would happen=Rome creating a one world religion using a false prophet.
Explain calling Jesus Baal's son then calling them one in the same?
Explain borrowing the Canaanite dying god ritual mythology?
Explain why Jesus appearance is always as a Luciferous light visitation to Paul and Constantine?
Explain why historians called Eusebius the great liar (who forged the books and helped compile the figure)?

Don't be stupid. Lucien and Pliny are both talking about the same guy, in Pliny's case he no doubt is referring back to Tacitus (60 years after Christ BTW) so there is no doubt, based on the similarities of the mens actions that they are one and the same.

 

[HaShev]

You now are denying that you talked about 100bc Yeshu and 45 ad Theudas the only Pilate era christ?
Calling someone stupid for showing you the historical relevance of what you said is calling yourself that name, because you said but worse did not understand what you yourself were proving and admitting.
Stop the ad hominem responses and be honest with yourself.

 

[HaShev]

There are more than 24,000 written manuscripts that document His ministry.

And you couldn't post one.