Did Jephthah actually slay his daughter?

[seaofnails]

Thank you kindly for responding to my post

The Trinitarian Translators had absolutely no use and no value to correctly translate Jephthah’s vowel in Jdg 11:30.

The goals of the Trinitarian Translators was to insert interweave and project the most harsh unkindness and the most callousness, ruthlessness, and violence that was possible into the Old Testament concerning the characters. Also, the goal was to modify, change, add and rearrange the text to change the Old Testament into a narrative that supports the Trinity doctrine.

The fact is - there are some Hebrew words that have the same exact spelling and the same exact characters, but yet - they are also two different words - with two totally different meanings.

‛ôlâh = a burnt offering - is placed in the same sounding category in the LEXICAL SYSTEM - as EVIL, because they both are the same exact spelling and characters in the manuscripts.


H5766 Eh'-vel, Aw'-vel, Av-law', O-law', O-law'

Evil: - iniquity, perverseness, unjust (-ly), unrighteousness (-ly), wicked (-ness).

 

[Picaro]

The Peanut Gallery can note that while the New Testament has thousands of copies extant that are far older the oldest known Torah, it is probably wise to ignore idiots with claims of 'better translations' of anything, especially those who obviously peddle made up lies about Da Ebul Xians. Like most frauds, they merely like to make up their own versions of texts to suit themselves.

 

[seaofnails]

Absolutely true Picaro.

You are so right about this fact - " The New Testament has many, many copies extant that are far older the oldest known Torah "

Although I do not claim to have a " better " translation. I simply point out the fact that prove that the Trinitarian Translators have been very dishonest when translating the Bible - especially concerning - Jephthah’s vowel in Jdg 11:30

In 70 AD, the Romans laid siege to Jerusalem and destroyed the Second Temple. Countless manuscripts of the Hebrew Bible (the Tanakh) were lost in the aftermath.

The Romans destroyed all Hebrew texts, including Hebrew scrolls. It is believed that one million Jews were killed by the Romans and the rest of the Jews fled for their lives. Since this day the Roman Catholic Church continued to persecute and terrorize the Jewish people. We can see exactly why so many, many manuscripts of the Torah have disappeared. The Jews have been persecuted and running for their very lives for nearly 2000 years.

When Adolf Hitler finally came along in the 1940s, The German Nazis killed 6 - 8 million more Jews in just a few short years. It is surprising that any Hebrew manuscripts exist today.

The lack of early Hebrew manuscripts compared to Greek is such an incomparable number.

Sadly The Roman Catholic never preserved a single page of any original Hebrew. instead - they ditched them all and went about propagating about 6 other alternative translation in Greek filled with contradictions and errors.

The Jews did their very best to preserve the Torah. When Adolf Hitler killed 6 - 8 million Jews and in nearly every major industrial Catholic country on the planet, Jewish populations were in hiding and running for their lives.

should not the blame for the lack of Hebrew Torah Manuscripts be directly placed upon the Trinitarians who have sought to exterminate the Jews while refusing to preserve a single page of any Torah manuscripts. ?

The Muslims are not any different than Trinitarians - in the same exact regard - in every single detail. Trinitarians did not even put the complete Bible into any another language, than Latin / Italian - until 1582. They were too busy burning people alive and harassing and torturing and destroying all manuscripts associated to any other translation that did not identify with the Latin translation.

The Trinitarians are the direct destroyers of the Bible's manuscripts,

 

[seaofnails]

I do truly understand the disfavor and great dislike for the Bible that many people truly feel.

However, much of this disdain, dislike, and disapproval of the Bible is completely justified, simply because of the manner in which the Trinitarian Translators twisted and changed the bible from the message of original manuscripts.

The purpose of the story was to explain that Jephthah knew that his daughter and her friends were not behaving themselves by being sexually immoral and Jephthah was allowing it to take place and was not stopping his daughter from committing wickedness pertaining to her virginity.

As the following verses explain what it was all about.

Jdg 11:37 And she said unto her father, Let this thing be done for me: let me alone two months, that I may go up and down upon the mountains, and mourn concerning / about my virginity, I and my fellows.

But this is also a mistranslation. - Here is the verse as the original manuscripts explain.

but the word has nothing to do with a custom. it is always a commandment, an ordinance, and a law. Basically, I respectfully hope you can understand, reading from the manuscripts - that his daughter repented of her evil and then kept the law pertaining to her virginity and sexuality. As her father vowed, knowing that she would walk right out of the front door the moment he returned home from war.

 

[JoeB131]

I do truly understand the disfavor and great dislike for the Bible that many people truly feel.

However, much of this disdain, dislike, and disapproval of the Bible is completely justified, simply because of the manner in which the Trinitarian Translators twisted and changed the bible from the message of original manuscripts.

Except that it has nothing to do with "Trinitarians", or anything else. Jews themselves have accepted that Jephthah sacrificed his daughter.

The context of the Book of Judges is that because Israel did not have a king, there was great wickedness in the land. So you have a whole list of immoral actions by the "Judges". Samson lived an immoral lifestyle persuing Philistine women, Jephy sacrificed his daughter after orchestrating the slaughter of the Ephramites, there was an attempted extermination of the tribe of Benjamin....

The purpose of the story was to explain that Jephthah knew that his daughter and her friends were not behaving themselves by being sexually immoral and Jephthah was allowing it to take place and was not stopping his daughter from committing wickedness pertaining to her virginity.

Um, no, the text is pretty ******* clear that she was still a virgin when he butchered her.

Hey, here's the especially special translation I found for you.


"And thus it came to pass, that Jephthah daughter went to go live with a nice farm family, just like Spot and Rover did after they pissed on the rug!"

 

[seaofnails]

Thank you for responding. I understand what you are saying.
Please allow me to tell you the facts as I have studied this subject in great detail.

You state that there were no Kings ruling Israel in the days of Jephthah.

May I politely ask you, if I understand you correctly. ?

Are you claiming, saying or suggesting that this statement in the bible is directly regarding the absence of morality and wrongdoings and transgressions, sins and perverted acts of some of the Jews.

Also, would you intend to suggest somehow - that the Bible is saying that because there was no King in Israel that somehow the Israelites getting away with sinning and committing evil acts, due to the fact that there is no King in Israel ?

But the fact is, there were no Kings reigning Israel at any time before Jephthah.

Jephthah himself was elected and chosen to be as a Judge of Israel because he was a righteous, holy and honorable man.

Jdg 12:7 Jephthah judged Israel - for six years.
Jdg 12:8 Ibzan judged Israel - seven years.
Jdg 12:11 Elon judged Israel - ten years.
Jdg 12:13 Abdon judged Israel - eight years.
Jdg 15:20 Samson judged Israel - twenty years.

And there were no Kings, 50 to 70 years after Jephthah. Here are the list of the Judges of Israel.

1. Othniel - 2. Ehud - 3. Shamgar - 4. Deborah - 5. Gideon - 6. Abimelech - 7. Tola - 8. Jair - 9. Jephthah - 10. Ibzan - 11. Elon - 12. Abdon - 13. Samson - 14. Eli - 15. Samuel

During the time of the last judge of Israel who was also a prophet, as " Samuel " he anointed King David King of Israel. BUT, the fact that Israel - now has kings reigning, this does not mean that sin, wickedness and evil and wrongdoings have ceased or diminished in Israel or that anything is any different regarding morality. This has nothing to do with what the manuscripts are saying.

We know that King David slept with another man’s wife, committing adultery, and then proceeded to have the woman’s husband set up to be killed in the war, by appointing him to the front line, where the battle was the hottest area.

We see that - King Saul, began doing very good but in the end he - did evil.

King David - did very evil, early in his reign but repented, he was punished and forgiven and did very good.

After David, about 37 kings reigned in Israel, some who did very good and many who did very evil.

finally in the end - down to King Josiah the 5 th from the last King and Josiah - he did very good.

There were about 42 total kings in Israel BUT “ the last four kings “ following Josiah, they all four - did evil against God. They are Jehoahaz, Jehoiakim, Jehoiachin and Zedekiah who all - did evil.

There were Kings fighting over the throne, Kings fighting against one another and killing one another and Kings worshiping other gods.

You claim that the passages of the bible saying that

“ in those days, when there was no king in Israel “ Is mentioned in the context within the Book of Judges that is explaining that “ because Israel did not have a king, there was great wickedness in the land. “

But let’s look at these passages and see exactly what they are saying.

Jdg_17:6 In those days there was no king in Israel, every man did that which was right in his own eyes.

But this has absolutely nothing to do with the people doing right or wrong in their own views or eyes concerning a moral code of conduct or acts of wickedness or ethical behaviors.

The passage is simply referring to land ownerships, the dividing lines of property between the tribal families and the encroachments and intrusions on a person's territory and rights.

We see the facts - Jdg 19 When there was no king in Israel, a certain Levite was a “ - gêr / meaning a stranger “ sojourning on the side of mount Ephraim, who took to him a concubine out of Bethlehemjudah.

This Hebrew word - sojourning - means that this Levite was traveling in an area where he was a an foreigner, an alien in the land. This same Hebrew word always used concerning the passages referring to the fact that ” there was no king in Israel “

Every single time that you see the phrase - “ in these days, there was no king in Israel “

This is always, without exception being directly used - in every single last one of these verses, in the precise context of explaining in the proceeding storyline - how that these individuals who were living in Israel, were existing, traveling and crossing through regions as strangers, aliens and living as foreigners in a land. Because there was no king to divide the land and set boundaries, borders and protect the Jews from non-Israelites and half breeds and other invaders who would not respect the rights of the Israelites.

This Hebrew word is - H1616 - gêr or ' gare - Meaning = a guest; foreigner: - alien, sojourner, a stranger.

As we see in - Gen 15:13 Abram, thy seed shall be a “ - gêr / stranger “ in a land.

Exo 2:22 Moses named his son - Gershom: saying I was a “ - gêr / stranger “ in a strange land.

Deu 1:16 Order judges to judge right between everyone and the “ - gêr / strangers “ with them.

Gen 23:4 Abraham is a “ - gêr / stranger “ and sojourner, asking for a place to bury his dead wife.

Exo 12:48 Circumcise men who are “ - gêr / strangers “ sojourning with you.

Exo 12:49 Laws applying to the home-born, apply to “ - gêr / strangers “ that sojourneth among you.

Exo 20:10 No work on Sabbath also applies to the “ - gêr / strangers “ within thy gates:

Mal 3:5 Judgments apply for oppressing widows, the fatherless, and “ - gêr / strangers

Exo 23:9 Don’t oppress “ - gêr / strangers “ ye were “ - gêr / strangers “ in the land of Egypt.

This is why it explains directly stating - that - : “ In those days, when there was no king in Israel, CAUSING / CAUSING a certain Levite sojourning as a “ - gêr / stranger “ traveling on the side of mount Ephraim.

This Hebrew word CAUSING is the Hebrew word -H1961 - hâyâh / haw-yaw' - Meaning = To exist, that is, be or become, come to pass (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary): - To be (-come, accomplished ), To CAUSE to come (to pass) to follow, happen, X have, last, pertain, quit (one-) self,-- To REQUIRE...

The manuscripts explain that - In those days, when there was no king in Israel, CAUSING / THAT REQUIRED.... a certain Levite to travel where he was sojourning as a “ - gêr / stranger “

The Trinitarians had everything to do with mistranslating most of the bible. They go through the entire bible changing and deleting and removing important words that explain what the message is conveying.

While Trinitarians go about making up alternative storylines to interject their own twisted meaning to every verse.

Again - Jdg 17:6 In those days there was no king in Israel, but every man did that which was right in his own eyes. :8 And a man departed out of the city from Bethlehemjudah to sojourn as a “ - gêr / stranger “ where he could find a place for himself to live in. He had no place to call home, he was a sojourning “ - gêr / stranger “ looking for a place to live.

:9 And Micah said unto him, where do you come from ? And he said unto him, I am a Levite of Bethlehemjudah, and I go as a “ - gêr / stranger “ where I may find a place to live.

He was homeless. Trinitarians leave all of this out of their perverted translation and seek to twist and manipulate the passage to say an alternative storyline.

Again - Jdg 18:1 In those days there was no king in Israel: and in those days the tribe of the Danites sought them an inheritance to dwell in; for unto that day all their inheritance had not fallen unto them among the tribes of Israel.

Again - “ there was no king in Israel “ the Danites are homeless and seeking, looking for themselves an inheritance or a location to dwell in; all their inheritance, their lands and properties, and belongings had not yet been given unto them among the tribes of Israel.

In Jdg 17:6 it says - In those days there was no king in Israel, but every man did that which was right in his own eyes. The story directly goes on to explain that a man of the tribe of Judah had no home and was sojourning as a “ - gêr / a stranger “ looking for a place where he could find a place to exist and dwell / live and survive.

there are four verses total in the bible that have this phrase " there was no king in Israel "

The last one occurs during a great war where Israel is taking vengeance upon unknown men who appear to be non-Israelites who had raped and killed a man’s wife.

Benjamin refuses to or is unable to identify and hand over these men probably because they do not know who exactly who the individuals are and Israel goes to war against Benjamin because Benjamin is not concerned or interested in helping to locate and punish these rapist murdering thugs.

Jdg 21 - again uses this phrase “ " In those days there was no king in Israel "

But it has absolutely nothing to do with morality or doing wicked or wrong - doing. Because no one was doing anything wrong.

The context of the phrase is based upon the verses saying :6 And the children of Israel were sorry for Benjamin their brother, and said, There is one tribe cut off from Israel this day.

:17 And they said, There must be an inheritance for them that be escaped of Benjamin, that a tribe be not destroyed out of Israel.

:24 And the children of Israel departed thence at that time, every man to his tribe and to his family, and they went out from thence every man to his inheritance.

Jdg 21:25 In those days there was no king in Israel: every man did that which was right in his own eyes.

Trinitarians assume that something was going on in the chapter pertaining to immorality. But men and women of the entire city were set against punishing rapists and murderers and were attempting to protect these villains.

All of the people, even of all the tribes of Israel, asked those of Gibeah to hand over the rapists murdering men who had brutally murdered a woman and they refused. Because the men of Gibeah were just exactly and precisely like the sodomites and did exactly what the sodomites did to Lot and his family.

They gathered in huge crowds and surrounded a man’s home, they were upset, just exactly like Trinitarians would be upset and outraged and furious today that someone like Lot would have a polygamous family member, like Abraham.

They beat on his walls and doors and screamed and shouted just exactly like the Trinitarian beasts would do today, infuriated and raving man, foaming at the mouth that someone would today have a polygamous family member. As Lot’s uncle was polygamous. So they felt they had a duty to rape and abuse, assault and punish his family.

The passage says that they gathered and overwhelmed the house surrounded the home for most of the night. Demanding that the owner of the home give them his male polygamous / plural marriage-minded guest who had concubines, wives and was polygamous. Just as the Sodomites, they demanded that the male polygamous visitor be given to them so that they could rape him and penetrate his orifices to punish him because he was a polygamous man. The Sodomites were the same way. And Trinitarians are exactly the same way.

When the people of Gibeah could not persuade and entice and brainwash or convert the man to accept to the Trinitarian view, that polygamy was so horrible and wretched and that his polygamous Priestly guest deserved to be punished and brutally raped. They then turned on his polygamous wife and violently, madly sexually penetrated and raped and punished and abused her the entire night until they turned her into a bloody pulp of mangled meat. She was internally cut up, stretched open wide and her orifices and organs wallowed out and bruised and broken and bleeding.

The people of Gibeah simply wanted to make a new convert and wanted the man of the house to accept their viewpoint about polygamy. If there was no conversion and no way of convincing the man, then they felt no need to break down his doors and take his guest by force.

So all of Israel, later, gathered together and went to the city and demanded that they turn over these rapists, murdering animals. The entire city of Gibeah refused to comply and proceeded to gather themselves together and then violent attack the rest of Israel who was there simply to find the men who had raped and killed the woman.

Gibeah went to battle against the children of Israel. NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

JUST READ THE STORY… !

Jdg 20:21 And the children of Benjamin defending Gibeah - came forth out of Gibeah, and destroyed down to the ground of the Israelites that day twenty and two thousand men.

Gibeah attacked Israel, just for requesting that they hand over their violent rapist murderers.

AND still- still, the rest of Israel did not want to fight and get violent against the people of Gibeah.

Israel began crying and sobbing and were filled with hurt, pain, and sorrow and never wanted to defend themselves and protect themselves with violence.

JUST READ THE STORY… ..

Jdg 20:23 (And the children of Israel went up and wept and CRIED before the LORD until the evening time, and asked counsel of the LORD, saying, Shall I go up again to battle against the children of Benjamin my brother? And the LORD said, Go up against him.)

So the story is nothing like the Trinitarians deceitfully translate in the perverted mistranslations.

Most of the entire translations are completely filled with altered passages where Trinitarians change, delete and alter so many words. This is because they deeply hate, disdain and despise the original message.

This is why it took Trinitarians nearly 2000 years after Yahoshua just to put the bible into any other language but Latin alone… This is why the Latin is a dead language today because they never translated the Bible. They perverted the Bible and refused to translate it to another language while terrorizing, killing, burning people alive and tormenting and persecuting anyone who translated the Bible in another language. So the Latin needed to die, to hide their perverted translation and to keep the religion in a language that was controlled and manipulated to the point of destroying the Latin language in order to destroy the idea of others possessing bibles that they themselves could read. - Without the Trinitarian governments and authorities dictating what they demanded and violently announced about scriptures meanings.

Just remember

Jdg 12:2 And Jephthah said unto them, I and my people were at great strife with the children of Ammon; and when I called you, ye delivered me not out of their hands. AGAIN the Ephraimites attacked Jephthah. Surrounded his home and threatened to burn it down and kill him.

Jephthah defended himself and took care of business the way the business of war is supposed to be conducted. He did not have the ability to make thousands upon thousands of chains and bars and prisons and surveillance cameras and satellite imaging in space to protect him and his family. War was the only option. And in the real war you take every single last one of the enemy and completely wipe them out completely. All it takes is one person of the enemy to later hunt you down and murder you or your entire family.

But in the Trinitarian mind, Jephthah should have called a Canaanite pope figure to defend him and interoperate and translate his narratives and communications. The Canaanite Popes are worthless. The Popes / Pimps / Kings of Canaan - always leave their enemies an easy out and never complete the victory against enemies from which whom they all have other like / common enemies with. So that they can use their enemies later to destroy their biggest and most hated enemy. This enemy is the true bible believing Christians, the Jews and the true manuscripts.

The idea of having Kings of Israel was to provide defendable borders to Israel where one man and his office could decide where the borders existed and the Jews would not be in confusion concerning the borders and be “ - gêr / stranger “ , aliens, traveling from place to place homeless and confused about where their land and homes were in a total mass of un - organized confusion. This is all the verse is referring to. - There was no King in Israel to finalize and decide the inheritance, lands, borders, properties and rights and civil liberties for the citizens of Israel.

No one was acting Immoral or wicked concerning the reference of the passages unless you are reading from a Trinitarian mistranslation.

 

[JoeB131]

Thank you for responding. I understand what you are saying.
Please allow me to tell you the facts as I have studied this subject in great detail.

Please don't. You spent a lot of time confusing the issue.

The book of judges are full of all sorts of horror stories like Samson and Jephthah because they were demonstrating how bad things were before they had the order of a King. (not that the Kings were any great thing, either.)

IN short, people didn't follow God's Law, God let them fall into the hands of their enemies time after time, only occasionally raising up a champion like Jephthah...

So in that regard, the story of Jephthah murdering his daughter makes a lot of sense. The other nations around them sacrificed children to appease their gods. The Hebrews probably did as well, and since the bible was written when there were Kings, they probably whitewashed a lot of this sort of thing.

This one was a tough one, because it was remembered that Jephy did sacrifice his daughter, right after they had a big win over the Ammonites. It was still being commemorated. so they had to rewrite the story where God wasn't keen to get that sweet, sweet virgin meat.

Why, Jephthah made a foolish vow! That's why God had to go along with it.

 

[seaofnails]

At least 50 - 70 years after God's great servant the mighty Jephthah passed away, the Israelites found themselves facing a horrible situation as a man from The Godly Concentrated Levi Priestly Tribe was passing as a sojourner as an alien or a stranger and a foreigner through another land to bring back one of his wives visiting with her father back to his home city.

On his journey back, he had no place to stay and was wandering the streets of the city of Gibeah looking for a place to sleep and wash up and eat. A kind elderly man saw him, approached him, and said that he would take him into his home, saying I can take care of anything you want - but do not lodge or stay the night in the street.

:21 The man fed his donkeys and let him and his wife wash their feet. But soon a violent mob of homosexual men gathered outside the home and surrounded it and began loudly yelling and beating upon the house as they demanded that kind man hand over his guest so that they could take him and enjoy him in a sexual orgy of rape and violent lust.

The man stated that if they were going to rape someone, that it would be better that they rape his own daughter or the man’s wife rather than to rape another male. So the homosexuals accepted the option of raping the man’s wife as the man presented his wife to the gays, probably never imagining that they would actually rape her or have any heterosexual interests in her.

This was the way that sexually transmitted diseases, illnesses, symptoms and many incurable sicknesses were spread, and male on male sex, in this primitive society was seen as one of the most dirty, horrid, evil and inconceivable act that someone could do

The homosexual’s gang-raped and abused his wife all through the night, which led to her tragic and violent agonizing death. Her organs and system was completely torn, frayed, flared outward, turned inside out and damaged and she died shortly thereafter.

The Israelites went hunting for these men, which leads to a very big battle described in - Judges 20:

The Israelites are facing a city of violent attackers who are upset that they would demand that they hand over their special favorite, popular and darling citizens.

Israel defends herself by fighting back but Israel is unsure and uncertain as whom exactly they are fighting and whom among their own Israelite people are fighting them in favor of the city and who among the Benjamite tribesmen are against them. So all of Israel makes a pronouncement that each leader makes a vow and promise, to swear to gather their people after the battle and they swore that they would all meet at a meeting place located in a place called " Mizpeh " that after the battle, all those who on their side would meet at Mizpeh.

And they all swore that if they did not come to the meeting that would mean that they were not on their side and not among the defenders of Israel and this would mean that whom ever did not meet there, had not joined them in the battle, the defense and the justice of finding these men who raped and murdered the woman.

So you can read the story, but when we come to - Jdg 21:11 - this verse is completely mistranslated by the Trinitarian Translators.

We find that in verse : 10 - the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead did not appear at the special meeting place where that every one swore and vowed to meet - saying " whoever is not there = after the battle " then this means that they will also die as they are among the enemy, because it means that they are not with us in the battle.

So the Israelites are upset and think that the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead are their enemies and think they have sided with the city of Gibeah. So certain of them say that they will go and fight, attack and hit or / smite the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead with the edge of the sword, with the women and the children.

But they change their mind and decide not to kill everyone in the city, - which the city of Jabeshgilead also has homosexuals among them as well, so the Israelites still do not know if they have found the guilty men who killed the woman - as we further read in verse :11 - they decided upon a new plan - saying - :11 AND THIS IS THE THING THAT YE SHALL DO, Ye shall “ H2763 - châram - “ separate, seclude, divide, blockade, boycott, enclose, quarantine, screen, segregate or withdraw every male homosexual that’s been with another man - also every woman that’s been with a male.

The bible never says that they actually killed a single person among the people of Jabeshgilead. But it says that they went in and separated the virgins from the homosexuals and other non – virgin women and took them away and out - from the city.

The Trinitarian Translators changed the bible in - Jdg 21:11 - to say that the Israelites slaughtered and killed every woman and infant in the city. But this is not what the word means.

Here are a few of many, many other verses where this word is used. This is what it means.

So the Trinitarians go through the bible replacing the word “ châram “ with words like - utterly destroy - massacre - put to death and kill and slaughter everyone that the Jews are encountering when most of the time they are separating and consecrating or - devoting - or taking away ) blockading, boycotting, enclosing, putting in quarantine, screening, segregating and withdrawing the Virgins and infants from the cities that that are at war with.


There is an actual Hebrew word - for - kill, massacre and putting to death and murder ring and slaughtering people. However 90 % of the verses that Trinitarians CLAIM are about killing little children and women have nothing to do with this word that means to literally KILL someone. They simply add words to the translation and pretend that the Jews were killing and slaughtering infants and women, when in fact, they were simply separating - or taking away ) blockading, boycotting, enclosing, putting in quarantine, screening, segregating and withdrawing the Virgins and infants from the cities that that are at war with when they could do that.

There were a couple of instances where they did kill women and little children and this was due to diseases, sickness and sexually transmitted corruption that was entering / spreading into their lands and also, the case of hundreds of years of a generational war where they had no choice but to completely exterminate an entire group of people who had been waging generational war upon them for hundreds of years - non - stop with the only intent of raising a civilization/ children up - only for the intent and purpose to exterminate them.

But 90 % of the verses where the Trinitarians are claiming that woman and infants are being butchered and slaughtered, they simply are not found to be saying this in the manuscripts to be saying this. They are adding and changing the meanings of words. As they go about placing closely related words in the same categorical meanings at random choice and key places where Trinitarians want to portray the Jews as infant and baby killers.

While they use the same exact words to announce, describe, characterize and indicate their true basic meaning where innocent infants and women are not mentioned in war.

This same exact word is used in most of the verses where Trinitarians are translating the passages saying - that children and women are being slaughtered.

One more example is found in Mic 4:13

:13 O daughter of Zion: you will beat in pieces many people: and " consecrate - חָרַם - their gain unto the LORD, and their substance unto the Lord, of the whole earth.

This Hebrew word " consecrate " is - - châram - is the same exact word found in all of the hundreds of places where the Trinitarian Translators are claiming that the Israelites are killing, butchering and slaughtering entire cities of people - especially women and children.

The meaning of the word is = to Consecrate. Meaning - to take something or someone for the use to serve another function other than the original use. As to take something and use it for a higher function, reason or different purpose.

The bible in the original manuscripts show that the Jews in most cases were not “ UTTERLY DESTROYING " everyone and everything in the majority of these cities - including women and infants. Rather this word means to Consecrate, to devote - or take out or away ) to blockade, boycott, segregate or enclose, putting in quarantine, screening and withdrawing or TAKING the property, infants, virgins and assets of those who aggressively attacked them.

The Trinitarians use this word correctly and translate the correct meaning in context - where it does not pertain to women and children, but anytime they are mentioned, they suddenly, quickly add in the words slaughter, utterly destroy and kill and butcher every child and women.

As again we see here in - Mic 4:13 O daughter of Zion the substance and gains of the enemy will be consecrated “ - châram - separated / secluded “ unto the LORD.

Again we see the same exact word that the Trinitarians use in many other passages to insert the idea of killing, slaughtering and utterly destroying. This same exact word - - חָרַם - châram - meaning to Consecrate, to devote - or take out or away ) to blockade, boycott, segregate or enclose, putting in quarantine, screening and withdrawing or TAKING or removing something from its original place..

90 % of the verses do not say that the Jews were killing, slaughtering and butchering women and children. This is a Trinitarian falsehood and complete mistranslation.

 

[JoeB131]

The man stated that if they were going to rape someone, that it would be better that they rape his own daughter or the man’s wife rather than to rape another male. So the homosexuals accepted the option of raping the man’s wife as the man presented his wife to the gays, probably never imagining that they would actually rape her or have any heterosexual interests in her.

Except it wasn't his "wife" they gang-raped. It was his concubine, who had fled him, went back to the home of her father.

The homosexual’s gang-raped and abused his wife all through the night, which led to her tragic and violent agonizing death. Her organs and system was completely torn, frayed, flared outward, turned inside out and damaged and she died shortly thereafter.

The Israelites went hunting for these men, which leads to a very big battle described in - Judges 20:

The problem wasn't that they didn't just kill the rapists, they killed nearly every last member of the tribe of Benjamin. This resulted in then allowing the survivors to kidnap and rape a bunch of women so they could repopulate the tribe.

This goes back to the whole theme of the Book of Judges. There was no central authority with a King, people did what they thought was best... and there was great evil in the land.

But you keep believing that Jephthah's daughter went to live with a nice farm family.

 

[seaofnails]

If you look at the story - it really says nothing about his wife " fleeing him or running away " from her husband.

And in the Bible when a man has had a wife or had several wives for many years, he often would add concubines to his family and marry a woman as a concubine. This means that his new wife, as a concubine, would not have the same inheritance rights as the firstborn sons and their mothers of the rightful first marriages.

It usually ran in order, as the mother of the firstborn son would receive the family inheritance and the following wives would also receive an inheritance but a concubine was a temporary status, where after some time would pass and as sons and daughters were born to the concubine, the concubines' sons and daughters would work and bring in profit and gain / earn - their inheritance as well when they grew older, just like their older siblings before them had done.

Being a concubine means that you are a wife " married " and this is a lifetime union and commitment. But a woman who was a concubine status could not just enter into the marriage and have the rights to what the other wives and their children have - until after she or her children had contributed to the building of the family inheritance.

The Trinitarian and pagan societies have painted a picture that depicts a concubine as some type of sexual slave or sexual bondwoman who is passed around from owner to owner. But in the Bible, a concubine was a wife but under a temporary placement in the family concerning her status in the inheritance rights and order of the family. They often went right to work to build their future and inheritance. --- Israel was a working culture where every able-bodied individual worked. --- Not a welfare cult, as we see in today’s society.

Jdg 19:2 His concubine played the whore against him going away from him unto her father's house - she was there four whole months. :3 And her husband arose, and went after her, to speak HIS HEART unto her, and to bring her again.

And there - she “ his concubine “ brought him into her father's house: and when the father of the damsel saw him, he rejoiced to meet him.

The word that the Trinitarian Translators DELETED is the word “ heart “

This is what Trinitarians do. This word “ heart “ is used 598 total times in the manuscripts and the Trinitarians translate this word as - “ heart - Hebrew word = labe “ 596 times total. - BUT the Trinitarians change / translate this word as KINDLY only two times out of the total “ 598 “ times.

This word has not a single thing to do with meaning speaking kindly. It has nothing to do with KINDNESS or kindly. It means = The heart / the mind.

THEY LIED…. They used it once more in Gen 34:3

:3 Here, when the Hivite had seduced and committed a sexual act with Jacobs daughter and had sex with Dinah -- he spake - “ kindly “ unto the damsel. But the verse says nothing about speaking “ KINDLY “ The verse says that he loved her very much and spoke “ His Heart “ and convinced her that he loved her and tried to marry her and had sex.

So… “ 598 “ verses - and it is used as “ heart “ but when it comes to when the Trinitarians want it to portray the scene as in a perverted, seductive and tainted rendering, the translators change the word to say “ kindly ” - as if the mans wife had not been speaking kindly, before this.

Also, when it says that - her husband arose and went after her - this has nothing to do with chasing,, tracking, hunting, hounding - or forcefully chasing her down as if he is going to capture her and force her to return. This word simply means that he went after, behind, at the rear, preceding his wife’s visit to her father. He found her and spoke his heart to her. He comforted her and convinced her that he loved and forgave her and she deiced to return back home with her husband.

But - I understand completely what you are saying.

This is what the Trinitarians do, they go throughout the passages altering words to depict an alternative narrative by changing words as they move along the storyline.

This next verse is much different than the way the Trinitarians translated it.

Meaning = RETURNING TO BENJAMIN THEN WITH THIS, GIVING TO THEM THE WOMEN LIVED OF THE WOMEN OF JABESH GILEAD AND NOT FINDING THIS FOR THEM.

The Translation says :14 they gave them wives WHICH THEY HAD “ SAVED ALIVE “ of the women of Jabeshgilead: and yet so they sufficed them not.

But it says nothing about “ saving alive “ anyone / or allowing women to live and killing others. This was mistranslated to portray the idea that the men of Benjamin had killed the entire women in the city, except for the 400 virgins.

But this has nothing to do with what the manuscripts say.

Furthermore the Greek Septuagint - contradicts both the KJV and the Manuscripts as it says - Verse :14 - The children of Israel gave them the women whom they had save alive of the daughters of Jabis Galaad; and - they were content.

The manuscripts say - Verse :14 - GIVING TO THEM THE WOMEN WHICH LIVED FROM THE WOMEN OF JABESH GILEAD AND NOT FINDING THIS FOR THEM.

It is the basic root word meaning to exist, live, reside or be alive. And the verse says the virgins simply - “ LIVED “ among the other non-virgin women from Jabesh Gilead.


The Trinitarians make it out to say that they were saved alive from all of the other women they killed.


Jdg 20:47 Also says - That six hundred men of Benjamin enemy had survived the war. So Israel wanted to continue the inheritance and future generations of the tribe of Benjamin.

And they were now prisoners of war - captives or war. And the city of Jabesh Gilead located just a few miles south of Gibeah - they also were considered in agreement, complicit, guilty and part of the effort to protect the criminals who murdered and raped a woman because they would not participate in the battle.

So now - the city of Jabesh Gilead is also taken as captives and prisoners and they remove the 400 virgins out of the city that is filled with protectors of criminals and rapists and also homosexuals as well.

And Israel takes the prisoners that they believe that can salvage into a clean environment Godly family atmosphere and they place together with the males and the female virgins out of all of the captive war prisoners. – meaning - from the two cities where they believe the savage rapist’s and murderers were hiding in and being protected by.

So there 200 prisoner of war, captive men surviving - who did not have a wife.

Jdg 21:12 The Israelites armies went to the city Jabesh Gilead where they believed also their enemies and evil criminals also were located because the inhabitants of Jabesh Gilead refused to unite with them in the effort to seek justice for the woman who was brutally raped and murdered.

The crime of raping and brutally murdering a woman was such an evil, horrible and unacceptable crime that anyone not participating in finding these criminals were obviously protecting them and others just like them. And the city of Jabesh Gilead also had homosexuals in their city.

It seemed to indicate that this is why the city of Jabesh Gilead did not want to participate in finding and searching out and punishing the men who had committed the crime. And that they were participants and complicit in protecting the murdering criminals.

So Israel invaded their city, removed the female infants - girl babies and all virgins of going up to any age and provide wives for the tribe of Benjamin. But there were only 400 virgins in the city and this was not enough wives for the 600 men.

The Israelites made it very clear that the men who committed this horrible crime needed to be found and brought to justice. The city took offence and suddenly violently attacked Israel and Isreal burned their city to the ground and defeated their army. The other city that was nearby, just a few miles away also proved that they were in agreement, complicit, guilty and part of the participating effort to hand over the criminals who murdered and raped a woman because they would not participate in the battle.

They either hand over the criminals - or they are actively protecting the criminals.

The city of Jabesh Gilead also had a number of homosexuals - men who were with men - So - along with their complicity and unwillingness to cooperate and assist in handing over the criminals of this horrible violent and most evil crime. Israel felt justified to go in and remove all virgins among them.

Virgins who LIVED among the women of Jabesh Gilead.

 

[JoeB131]

The Trinitarian Translators had absolutely no use and no value to correctly translate Jephthah’s vowel in Jdg 11:30.

Sure. It actually translated to "Went to live with a nice farm family", just like my parents said my dog did after he chewed up the furniture.

If you look at the story - it really says nothing about his wife " fleeing him or running away " from her husband.

And in the Bible when a man has had a wife or had several wives for many years, he often would add concubines to his family and marry a woman as a concubine. This means that his new wife, as a concubine, would not have the same inheritance rights as the firstborn sons and their mothers of the rightful first marriages.

Except every translation of that story says "Concubine", not wife.

I'm not sure why you go on to these long winded explanations about a very little text, trying to come up with a Disney ending for these stories.

The Book of Judges was VERY VERY clearly written. To demonstrate the anarchy that occurred after the death of Joshua and the Kingship of Saul.

The reality..... The Hebrews probably sacrificed people just like every other tribe at the time, but when the bible was being written, they had to whitewash as many of these stories as they could.

 

[seaofnails]

The Bible is a very large volume, there are APROX 800,000 words in the bible. This is a book with 66 chapters and it covers a time span of history going back at least 7000 + years - _- Even before the beginning of time, as we know it here on earth.

We are discussing a book that itself is a very, very long-winded and detailed explanation.

Just because you or myself - or some other individual may wish to open the book and upon seeing the English word - “ CONCUBINE “ and suddenly limit our reference, orientation or our understanding of that word, - being “ CONCUBINE “ and concerning its meaning, by defining it as simply, solely and ONLY - limited by “ how it sounds in the English language… “ This does not change the unchanging fact - that the word is not “ CONCUBINE “ in the original Hebrew language.

We can look at the original Hebrew and see the meaning of words and how each word is used in every single page of the bible.

 

[JoeB131]

The Bible is a very large volume, there are APROX 800,000 words in the bible. This is a book with 66 chapters and it covers a time span of history going back at least 7000 + years - _- Even before the beginning of time, as we know it here on earth.

We are discussing a book that itself is a very, very long-winded and detailed explanation.

Just because you or myself - or some other individual may wish to open the book and upon seeing the English word - “ CONCUBINE “ and suddenly limit our reference, orientation or our understanding of that word, - being “ CONCUBINE “ and concerning its meaning, by defining it as simply, solely and ONLY - limited by “ how it sounds in the English language… “ This does not change the unchanging fact - that the word is not “ CONCUBINE “ in the original Hebrew language.

We can look at the original Hebrew and see the meaning of words and how each word is used in every single page of the bible.

The initial context of the Book of Judges is pretty clear. The behavior of the people without a strong leader was wrong, and God turned his back on them many times.

 

[seaofnails]

Could you please describe in another short phrase or two - exactly what was it the people were doing that was wrong.

Israel had a very big war with the city of Gilead because the evil, horrible and wicked men of their city kidnapped and attacked a woman and violently gang- raped her to death.

Most of the tribe of Benjamin lived in Gilead and also their relatives and neighbors lived in another similar city about 15 – 20 miles from there, called Jabeshgilead. The woman was raped and killed by men of the city of Gilead who appear to not even be Jews, this is why it was difficult to find them. And the Bible does not say exactly who the men were because the Israelites never were able to identify them.

Israel simply wanted Gilead to identify these murderous men and hand them over. But the city of Gilead refused and most of the Benjamite tribe who lived there suddenly took up arms and violently attacked the Israelites who were at Gilead demanding that they hand over the men.

Israel took prisoners of war after defeating the city of Gilead and went 15 miles north to the related neighboring city of Jabeshgilead that was full of people who were related and it proved out that Jabeshgilead had helped to hide and protect the identity of these men and Israel took them captive and removed the young single women from there because the men would not help to locate the rapist murderers. And they had homosexuals there, so they did not know which group of homosexuals from both locations had committed the murder and no – one from Jabesh nor Jabeshgilead would help them but they attacked them just for demanding justice. They were protecting the criminals.

The Bible is a very large volume, there are APROX 800,000 words in the bible. This is a book with 66 chapters and it covers a time span of history going back at least 7000 + years - _- Even before the beginning of time, as we know it here on earth.

We are discussing a book that itself is a very, very long winded and detailed explanation.

Just because you or I - or some other individual may wish to open the book and upon seeing the English word - “ CONCUBINE “ and suddenly limit our reference, orientation or our understanding of that word, - being “ CONCUBINE “ and concerning its meaning, by defining it as simply, solely and ONLY - limited by “ how it sounds in the English language… “ This does not change the unchanging fact - that the word is not “ CONCUBINE “ in the original Hebrew language.

We can look at the original Hebrew and see the meaning of words and how each word is used in every single page of the bible.
At the time when the Trinitarian translated the Hebrew into English, they did not practice polygamy marriage. They did not have multiple wives with big families all living together with many children as a complete family unit.

The Trinitarians, from the highest Trinitarian King in the land down to the Trinitarian beggar in the street, they practiced wholesale adultery, fornication, prostitution and with numbers of multiple divorces. They had prostitutes and secret affairs. This was the Trinitarian form of a marriage system.
So when they see the Jews practicing polygamy marriage in the scriptures, the Trinitarians did not have this form of a marriage system embedded or used as an active word in their adulterous and fornicating religious system.

Trinitarians had no word in the European language to describe these additional, added or multiple female - “ polygamous family members “ and they hated, despised and outlawed and detested the idea of plural marriage.

The Hebrews, however always had worshiped and served their God under the system of plural, polygamy marriage system.
So when the Jew sees the word - pı ̂ yleyesh / pile gesh, the combination of the two separate words of combining “ pı ̂ yle “ and - “ yhesh “ Meaining - - A pı ̂ ylegesh. = Another new wife. When the Hebrews pronounced the word - “ pı ̂ yle yesh “ they did not see the word - “ CONCUBINE “

The Trinitarian looks at the word - concubine “ CONCU - BINE “ and the Trinitarian has no idea or clue what this word means.
This is because the Trinitarian Translators refused to translate this word into English. The Trinitarians simply left the word in - Italian / Latin - and copied the Latin word straight over into the English translation. “ But they had their special words that they purposefully left in Latin. “

The Latin concubī na, means “ just to have sex together “ - “ to lie together “ In Latin the word “ cubare “ means = to lay .
concubines - Memidex dictionary/thesaurus & Concubine dictionary definition | concubine defined

To the Trinitarians, a concubine - simply means that an event has occurred where - a man and a woman simply to just lay down and have a sexual romp, or they frolic about “ laying down together somewhere and just simply satisfy a sexual lust – or have a sexual encounter. - THAT’ S IT!

And this is the way the Trinitarians went about translating most of the meanings of words in the bible.

But to the Hebrews serving their God, they see this word in the way that their Hebrew language is structured. The word “ - pı ̂ yleyesh / pile yesh “ is the combination of two words “ pı ̂ yle and yesh.
- pil'ı ̂ y - meaning = remarkable, amazing - superb and wonderful. = H6383
And
“ - yeshû r - yhesh-oor' - Meaning = To join, connect or bridge or combine together. = H1650

This word - pil'ı ̂ y - meaning = remarkable, amazing - superb and wonderful is used in many, many verses just exactly like we see here in - 2Ch 2:9 Even to prepare me timber in abundance: for the house which I am about to build shall be “ wonderful - pil'ı ̂ y “ and great.
This is what the Hebrews imagined and thought when they used the word “ - pı ̂ yleyesh / pile yesh “ as another new wife. They thought of it as meaning = a remarkable, great and wonderful unification, joining or bridging together a wonderful connection to their family.
Not just simply laying down on a bed or a straw mat out back behind the church or the barn and opening your trousers and spending time with someone for a few moments and then getting up, and that’ s the end of the Trinitarian story. about Abraham and Jacob and the Prophets and Priests and Godly men of Israel.

This is what Trinitarians did, this is how the Trinitarian Kings and society lived their lives and they projected their marriage system onto the Jews when they translated their Hebrew scriptures. In the bible, we see early on in Jewish history exactly what adding multiple, plural wives into a family unit. Intended for Godly relationships, growth, children, blessings and inheritance of a FAMILY UNIT that stays together for a lifetime. The word “ - pı ̂ yleyesh / pile yesh “ as another new wife is meant as a wonderful bridging or joining in union into the family. The bible describes in detail as to what this word and relationship means.

We see clearly… … … … .
Gen 30:9 Leah gave Jacob, Zilpah her handmaid to wife.
Gen 35:26 And the sons of Zilpah, Leah's handmaid;
Gen 30:12 And Zilpah Leah's maid
Gen 30:4 Rachel gave Jacob Bilhah her handmaid as a wife: and Jacob went in unto her.
Gen 35:25 And the sons of Bilhah, Rachel's handmaid
Gen 30:7 And Bilhah Rachel's maid conceived again
In Gen 35:22 - Bilhah was called - Jacobs concubine.
IN Gen 37:2 Bilhah and Zilpah, were both called - Jacobs wives.

This is how the marriage system of adding additional wives occurred. Jacob worked as a servant for 14 + long years to earn his right to marry his two wives. The same was with maids and concubines, they were no different. They worked in the family as additional wives and eventually they earn the right to be called a wife in the status of all of the other wives. The very concubines that Trinitarians are structuring their language system upon as pretending or injecting that this CONCUBINE relationship is some type of system where a Priest or a King or a basic Jew runs down to the corner at the crack house looking for women to lay down with somewhere and simply gratify his sexual urges and lusts. This is what Trinitarians demand that people project upon the scriptures.

But in fact, the 12 tribes of Israel were born out of polygamy, plural marriage with - SO-CALLED - “ concubines “ or as it is in Hebrew - remarkable, amazing - superb and wonderful joining, connecting or bridges or combining together of new wives into the family of God.

Gen 25:1 Then again Abraham took a WIFE, and her name was Keturah.
Here - In 1Ch 1:32 Keturah was called - Abraham's concubine:
1Ki 11:3 Solomon had seven hundred wives, princesses, and " THEN " had the three hundred concubines - who were newly added.
2Sa 15:16 King David left ten wives, which were concubines, to keep the house.

The Jews did not think to write or insert a reminder, a memento or souvenir - side - note into their texts, each and every single time that an additional wife was added into the family, such as, just a reminder to the future pagan European Trinitarian Popes and Kings, to remind them that adding a new wife was not a CONCUBINE. And that this word did not mean simply the LATIN word for fornicating, adultery and prostitution by simply making up a word associated with laying down with a woman and having a sexual experience.

They have explained their story, they have clarified in every detail exactly what an additional wife means to the family.
If we rely upon Trinitarians to explain a book that they truly hate, disdain and deeply despise we will simply get a translation about a deity that they hate and reject entirely to the point that they completely re - structure and re - write the entire bible and then fall in love with the way they have modified, perverted and changed the entire story. While they worship a god they envision and imagine they have conquered and adapted to their society and image.

I do not need to condone or reject plural marriage to see that the Trinitarian Translators did not translate the Hebrew word " pı ̂ yleyesh / pile yesh “ into English. Which it means in Hebrew = as another new wife defined in the Hebrew language structure of the two words meaning = a remarkable, great and wonderful unification, joining or bridging, connecting together a wonderful connection - as - to their family.

The Trinitarians rejected the Hebrew word and its meaning and substituted it for the Latin word in their English translation. Meaning = as laying with someone as in loosely sexual encounter, like a prostitute or a sexual slave on the side. They deleted the Hebrew word and the meaning, as they have done in many, many other passages and they left the word as a Latin word for adultery, fornication, and evil perversity.