A bit more of your merciful god.

[surada]

Basic logic, for example: the law of non-contradiction, the law of excluded middle, etc.

You think a man can live in the belly of a fish?

 

[BackAgain]

nor to care too ...

you've yet to contribute anything of value - try a sober comment if possible. if you've ever had one.

Lol. If that’s your idea of sober posting, you might as well be drunk.

Face facts balsa wood, you’re neither a valuable contributor nor particularly interesting. Come back if you find you’ve ever developed a glimmer of game.

 

[buttercup]

Yawn.

We have always used gods to explain things we are incapable of understanding.

And we do not understand more than 5% of the universe.

I have heard people say that ontological mathematics has reduced the entirety of the universe to nothing but a collection of sinusoidal waves and that all matter is nothing but thought. Or IOW a monist rather than a pluralistic view.

We cannot prove the god theory or the ontological mathematics theory.

I don't prescribe to the pluralistic view or the more common dualistic view of spirit/matter or mind/body


Matter, energy space and time are all the same thing and are completely interchangeable

You're not thinking. You're falling back on the same old atheist copout response that shows that you rule out intelligence before you even begin. If you rule something out from the get-go, then of course your response is going to be something you've shoehorned into your pre-existing worldview.

But you're so blind that you don't even realize how absurd it is to say that objective transcendent laws that required thought and intelligence can exist in a material world of rocks and dirt. And even when given a chance to account for it, you still don't have an answer. You just say the same old, "we just don't know yet." Well, let's cut to the chase. At the end of the day, it boils down to either dumb luck, or intelligence. If you think logic - which as you conceded is not man-made - came about by dumb luck, then that is beyond laughable. It is pitifully blind. But hey, at least be honest and own up to your views.

 

[buttercup]

no, they taught liberation theology, self determination the religion of antiquity - transposed by the crucifiers and their nefarious 4th century c bible.

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christians have been persecuting and victimizing the innocent ever since ...

- no one can keep you from sinning and their consequences but yourself.

hope that's helpful for answering your question ... unrepentant christian sinner, burn in hell for as long as it takes.

We've said this before numerous times, but since it still hasn't gotten through to you, I'll say it again. If you're going to judge a religion, judge it by what it actually teaches. Racism and the other horrible things you always bring up are completely antithetical to Christianity.

The second most important teaching of Jesus is to love others... even your enemies. Jesus also said that if someone won't hear your message, then turn around, walk out the door and shake the dust off your feet. So obviously the absurd things you bring up, like Nazism, and all the other stuff is not in any way shape or form Christian, they are the exact opposite of what Jesus taught.

I said that to you before and you had no response except for your usual "the bible is a 4th century forgery" which is not only ignorantly false, but a different topic.

Again, if you're going to judge Christianity, then judge it by what it actually teaches, and if you want to say that's not what it actually teaches, then show us where it says that those horrible things are the teachings of Christ. You can't have it both ways.

 

[Blues Man]

You're not thinking. You're falling back on the same old atheist copout response that shows that you rule out intelligence before you even begin. If you rule something out from the get-go, then of course your response is going to be something you've shoehorned into your pre-existing worldview.

But you're so blind that you don't even realize how absurd it is to say that objective transcendent laws that required thought and intelligence can exist in a material world of rocks and dirt. And even when given a chance to account for it, you still don't have an answer. You just say the same old, "we just don't know yet." Well, let's cut to the chase. At the end of the day, it boils down to either dumb luck, or intelligence. If you think logic - which as you conceded is not man-made - came about by dumb luck, then that is beyond laughable. It is pitifully blind. But hey, at least be honest and own up to your views.

For one I'm not an atheist as I have explained countless times now.

There is not enough proof to say with any certainty if gods exist or not.

And I don;t think it matters one way or the other. If gods exist they don;t really give a shit about us and even if a god materialized at my front door in the next 5 minutes there is no way I would worship it because I have no use for gods. And even if gods exist I don't think it will be the gods represented in our major religious texts.

Where did I ever concede logic was not man made?

Logic is the science of correct inference that men invented to examine the quality of their own reasoning.

 

[Meriweather]

If you rule something out from the get-go, then of course your response is going to be something you've shoehorned into your pre-existing worldview.

Both as an individual and a society, we can trace where we are now through our choices. Ancient man perceived this, too. (Deuteronomy 30:11-20 is about choice.)

A choice today: Belief or non-belief. The one that is chosen is the one we grow and live by. Since I grew up and have always lived in a family of believers and non-believers, this choice was accepted in the same manner as people making any other choice. Those who chose to go swimming didn't find any need at all to tell those of us who chose to go horseback riding how wrong were--and vice-versa. At the dinner table, we simply shared our chosen activities and what they brought to our day.

No one said to anyone else, "You didn't really do/experience that. You just believe you did." And no one insisted anyone else made the wrong choice. We simply enjoyed sharing our different experiences.

Without judging, all need to listen to why others made the choice they made. There is something right about either choice. That discussion just might be interesting. Near Death Experiences are a great example--despite of what happened here.

 

[BreezeWood]

We've said this before numerous times, but since it still hasn't gotten through to you, I'll say it again. If you're going to judge a religion, judge it by what it actually teaches. Racism and the other horrible things you always bring up are completely antithetical to Christianity.

The second most important teaching of Jesus is to love others... even your enemies. Jesus also said that if someone won't hear your message, then turn around, walk out the door and shake the dust off your feet. So obviously the absurd things you bring up, like Nazism, and all the other stuff is not in any way shape or form Christian, they are the exact opposite of what Jesus taught.

I said that to you before and you had no response except for your usual "the bible is a 4th century forgery" which is not only ignorantly false, but a different topic.

Again, if you're going to judge Christianity, then judge it by what it actually teaches, and if you want to say that's not what it actually teaches, then show us where it says that those horrible things are the teachings of Christ. You can't have it both ways.

Again, if you're going to judge Christianity, then judge it by what it actually teaches,

it is you that fails to warrent the events of the 1st century to substitute your own ...

"Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works."

false message written by the crucifiers in their 4th century c bible that reflects the opposite cause of liberation theology, self determination the religion of antiquity those people in the 1st century to the 4th died for. and yes the depictions are of your christianity that of the 4th century - you continue to promote.

- your books message is beyond contempt.

 

[ding]

Logic is the science of correct inference that men invented to examine the quality of their own reasoning.

Men didn't invent correct inference. Truth (which is what correct inference is) like logic - among other things - exists independently from man as they are artifacts of intelligence.

 

[JustAGuy1]

You think a man can live in the belly of a fish?

You don't think God can enable a man to live in the belly of a fish?

 

[BreezeWood]

Men didn't invent correct inference. Truth (which is what correct inference is) like logic - among other things - exists independently from man as they are artifacts of intelligence.

really - that makes a lot of sense - correct inference.

and that has what to do with deliberately misleading - desert religions - and their written text.

 

[ding]

really - that makes a lot of sense - correct inference.

and that has what to do with deliberately misleading - desert religions - and their written text.

It has to do with the source or matrix of the material world is mind. As for Christianity...

Christianity promotes the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness, humility, chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience and kindness.

Christianity creates wonderful charities and organizations

Christians and Christian institutions are usually the first source of literacy, education, and healthcare in the poorer regions.

Christianity has been the source of abundant human services from hospitals, orphanages, nursing homes, and schools, to advocacy on behalf of those with no voice, to supporting cultural outreaches, and seeking always to find ways in which to protect and promote human life and its authentic flourishing.

Christianity gave us the concept of subsidiarity.

Christianity has done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility.

Christianity teaches accountability and responsibility.

Christianity teaches that we have a choice in how we behave.

Christianity teaches that actions have consequences.

Christianity inspires a sense of wonder in nature and the universe.

Christianity helps us feel connected to one another and to nature.

Christianity helps us feel less alone in the world.

Christianity serves to ennoble the human spirit.

Christianity serves to bind the community together.

Christianity inspires love, peace and happiness.

Christianity serves to create traditions.

Christianity brings order to our lives.

Christianity brings comfort to the terminally ill.

Christianity can act as a source of hope for the oppressed.

Christianity teaches that we can transform ourselves.

Christian values were the foundation which Western Civilization was built upon.

No other institution played a greater role in shaping Western Civilization than the Catholic Church.

Modern science was born in the Catholic Church.

Catholic priests developed the idea of free-market.

The Catholic Church invented the university.

Western law grew out of Church canon law.

The Catholic Church humanized the West by insisting on the sacredness of all human life.

The Church constantly sought to alleviate the evils of slavery and repeatedly denounced the mass enslavement of conquered populations and the infamous slave trade, thereby undermining slavery at its sources.

Christianity gave us great thinkers, leaders and humanitarians.

Christianity gave us America.

Christianity gave us incredible artwork.

Christianity gave us incredible music.

Christianity gave us incredible architecture.

Christianity has spread democracy.

Christians fought other Christians in WWII to end their aggression.

Christians rebuilt Europe after WWII.

Christians rebuilt Japan after WWII.

Christians put a man on the moon.

Christians ended the cold war.

 

[BreezeWood]

It has to do with the source or matrix of the material world is mind. As for Christianity...

Christianity promotes the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness, humility, chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience and kindness.

Christianity creates wonderful charities and organizations

Christians and Christian institutions are usually the first source of literacy, education, and healthcare in the poorer regions.

Christianity has been the source of abundant human services from hospitals, orphanages, nursing homes, and schools, to advocacy on behalf of those with no voice, to supporting cultural outreaches, and seeking always to find ways in which to protect and promote human life and its authentic flourishing.

Christianity gave us the concept of subsidiarity.

Christianity has done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility.

Christianity teaches accountability and responsibility.

Christianity teaches that we have a choice in how we behave.

Christianity teaches that actions have consequences.

Christianity inspires a sense of wonder in nature and the universe.

Christianity helps us feel connected to one another and to nature.

Christianity helps us feel less alone in the world.

Christianity serves to ennoble the human spirit.

Christianity serves to bind the community together.

Christianity inspires love, peace and happiness.

Christianity serves to create traditions.

Christianity brings order to our lives.

Christianity brings comfort to the terminally ill.

Christianity can act as a source of hope for the oppressed.

Christianity teaches that we can transform ourselves.

Christian values were the foundation which Western Civilization was built upon.

No other institution played a greater role in shaping Western Civilization than the Catholic Church.

Modern science was born in the Catholic Church.

Catholic priests developed the idea of free-market.

The Catholic Church invented the university.

Western law grew out of Church canon law.

The Catholic Church humanized the West by insisting on the sacredness of all human life.

The Church constantly sought to alleviate the evils of slavery and repeatedly denounced the mass enslavement of conquered populations and the infamous slave trade, thereby undermining slavery at its sources.

Christianity gave us great thinkers, leaders and humanitarians.

Christianity gave us America.

Christianity gave us incredible artwork.

Christianity gave us incredible music.

Christianity gave us incredible architecture.

Christianity has spread democracy.

Christians fought other Christians in WWII to end their aggression.

Christians rebuilt Europe after WWII.

Christians rebuilt Japan after WWII.

Christians put a man on the moon.

Christians ended the cold war.

Christianity gave us the concept of subsidiarity.

too bad for you bing, by time the jews beat you to that one their first day shifting sand if not in endearment nor to be outdone by islam and christianity did have a time lag till the 4th to make it theirs ...

keep up with the good work, bringing heavens army does seem the means to bringing the deserts to their senses and justice - of course the sentence of burning for however long it takes will do that as well.

 

[ding]

too bad for you bing, by time the jews beat you to that one their first day shifting sand if not in endearment nor to be outdone by islam and christianity did have a time lag till the 4th to make it theirs ...

keep up with the good work, bringing heavens army does seem the means to bringing the deserts to their senses and justice - of course the sentence of burning for however long it takes will do that as well.

What you intend for evil, God is using for good.

 

[BreezeWood]

What you intend for evil, God is using for good.

you can run from the heavens all you like, eventually for all, bing included there will be no where for you to hide - they'll role over your rock and probably drop it on you.

 

[ding]

you can run from the heavens all you like, eventually for all, bing included there will be no where for you to hide - they'll role over your rock and probably drop it on you.

Your view of God is totally different than mine. First of all I believe God exists.

 

[BreezeWood]

Your view of God is totally different than mine. First of all I believe God exists.

do you own the 1st century ...

where are your etched tablets from the heavens - that claim monotheism and single worship over recognition for all forms of existence and life that were the basis for the Garden of Eden.

asked before - you have a habit of subliminal persecuition otherwise, yes there is no c god so there is a difference in our beliefs.