Did Hillarys Unsecured Email Server Get ProAmerican Spies Killed?

[flacaltenn]

There are many kinds of "spies", and one of the key types is the "case agent" who slips into countries and recruits foreign people to spy on their government. They are hard to come by and they put their own lives and carreers at risk to benefit their own nation as well as the USA.

So when Libtard ass holes get these people killed with their leaks and bungling classified information, people who support the USA by sending us information to verify what their host nation is doing very often pay the price for libtard idiots fucking up time after time.

This spy we recruited in Iran got caught and executed as a spy and the mystery is 'How did the Iranians find out about him?' Turns out, emails on Hillary's unsecure email server had emails with enough details on it to allow the Iranians to catch this man, a major fuck up.

Cotton: Clinton discussed executed Iranian scientist on email


Hillary Clinton recklessly discussed, in emails hosted on her private server, an Iranian nuclear scientist who was executed by Iran for treason, Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Ark., said Sunday.

"I'm not going to comment on what he may or may not have done for the United States government, but in the emails that were on Hillary Clinton's private server, there were conversations among her senior advisors about this gentleman," he said on "Face the Nation." Cotton was speaking about Shahram Amiri, who gave information to the U.S. about Iran's nuclear program.

Emails and Benghazi are all you got. It's sad

Nope.. Now we got a dead Iranian nuclear scientist that HELPED us understand the Iranian nuclear program... Signed his death warrant -- Obama did. The list changes everyday. Please keep up..

Maybe the fucknut double agent shouldn't have gone back to Iran, you retard.

He was SENT back.. Even if the Iranians promised him not to maim and kill his family if he did return -- we should not HELP them be Inglorious Bastards. We shouldn't be trading LIVES -- when we say we are "trading hostages".

No, he wasn't *sent* back, you crazy person.

"However US officials at the time said Amiri had defected of his own accord and provided "useful information".

Timeline of a disappearance

• May or June 2009 - Shahram Amiri disappears after going on pilgrimage to Mecca, Saudi Arabia.

• June 2010: emergence of videos apparently recorded in the US where a man alleged to be Amiri says he has been kidnapped and put under pressure to co-operate with the CIA

• 13 July 2010: Amiri reappears in Washington DC at the Iranian interests section of Pakistan's embassy, seeking to return to Iran.

• 15 July 2010: Amiri resurfaces in Iran where he is welcomed by officials and family members.

• May 2011: Amiri is arrested and reportedly tried for treason.

• August 2016: Amiri's family announces he has been executed, apparently by hanging.

He initially returned to Tehran to a hero's welcome, but was later arrested and tried for treason.

Iran has long been suspected of seeking to develop nuclear weapons - an allegation it denies, saying it is pursuing civilian nuclear energy."

Iranian nuclear scientist Shahram Amiri executed for treason - BBC News

I'm not crazy -- but you might be. If he got snatched or agreed to be snatched by the CIA -- how do you think we would RETURN him to Iran during a time of sanctions? Fly him in on US chartered jet?

He was let LOOSE thru a diplomatic back channel thru Pakistan. Probably as a pre-condition for any Nuclear talks. Just like it says in the purported WikiLeaks email..

 

[flacaltenn]

Nope.. Different content that what Vigi posted and attributed to WikiLeaks. WikiLeaks ain't gonna GIVE a source and the press will have to sort it all out,. But they won't.. They are lazy and incompetent.

Do you mean this post by Vigil?

Did Hillarys Unsecured Email Server Get ProAmerican Spies Killed?

What does that have to do with Hillary's email server and wikileaks hacking her and getting the scientist killed???

The point is that Hillary's unsecured email server could have been the vector by which the Iranians found out who was giving them information on their nuclear research.

not really, the emails are from after the time this scientist had already succumbed to the Iranians black mail and asked to go home....So his wife and kid would not be killed.

So the Iranians knew already that he was a spy.

And her server was a Secure Server, it was just an UNCLASSIFIED s server, just like all of her aides using the State.gov email system, which was ALSO an UNCLASSIFIED system.

Please stop with you analysis of what kind of communications gear comprises a system SECURE for transmitting Classified info... It's just that you are SOOO wrong and have been repeatedly corrected and YET -- you persist. State doesn't HAVE just one level of Comm. There are probably a couple UNclassified networks and maybe up to 6 or 8 classified networks that MAY have NOTHING TO DO with the Internet.

ANY organization can make their OWN SECURE internet. One that is TESTED to the specs of NSA and has ZERO exposure to the public.. Please stop claiming that the Gargoyle's server was "secured" for transmitting classified information.. It hurts my head to just hear it...

Do you think I don't know such for some reason? I KNOW the govt has a separate system for highly Classified documents and this system does not have email over the internet....it is solely used as an inhouse system. Did you know that?

It is NOT a system that the State Dept uses for it's employees to use to do their daily jobs. The State.gov system, which was designed long before Hillary, was their UNCLASSIFIED email system for all of the State Dept to get their jobs done.

So any emails Hillary received from her Aides did not come from the CLASSIFIED govt system to Hillary, they came to her from the govt's UNCLASSIFIED email system. Her aides should not have been discussing highly classified information on the State.gov email system, and should not have forwarded those emails of theirs to Hillary.

BOTH discussing it on the State.gov email and sending the emails to Hillary's server, were EQUALLY wrong of her Aides...even though her AIDES were using their government email system, State.gov, it was NOT secure for Classified information to be emailed to each other....top level classified information should never be sent via the internet/email.

Was it criminal, NO...it was not espionage, her employees meant no harm to the USA...were not stealing secrets to give to the enemy for the enemy's benefit, did not get paid to spy for a foreign Nation yahdadadadahda...

the right wing has made a mountain out of a mole hill....ALL for political posturing.

Deary.. The .gov system has NOTHING to do with any classified communications. People at state know what APPROPRIATE channel to use depending on the recipients and the content. So get .gov out of your mind.

Her aides FORWARDED those messages over UNSECURED links because they were TOLD TO DO SO. So quit blaming her underlings for her negligence and arrogance.

When they DID discuss classified details -- those details were routed thru dozens of INET nodes that have NOTHING to do with .gov. And when she REPLIED -- she was replying on a totally INSECURE network server in her home basement and back thru dozens of randoms nodes..

IT WAS criminal -- because it is clear and simple MISHANDLING of classified material. If I left a briefcase with classified material on paper or in electronic form locked in my hotel room or car trunk for even 10 minutes --- the assumption would be that the information was compromised. And EVERYONE in the program would be instructed to adjust the protocols and or keys or the personnel referenced would be re-tasked

That's why the Valerie Plume deal was big. There was also no espionage involved. Just a compromise of identity. Meaning that ANYONE working with her, American or foreign friendly cohorts, would be reassigned, repurposed or moved because of the risk of THEIR exposure.

There are probably still "diplomatic cables" at VERY high security levels for just the key state and foreign embassy "eyes only" personnel. She availed herself of LITTLE of that. As far as anyone can tell. Because she FEARED computers and only felt comfortable with her pocket toys. REFUSED to have the PROPER equipment installed in her VERY secure office at State. She is guilty as hell....

 

[flacaltenn]

In fact -- in order to keep the arrogant power whore informed, the IT Security folks at State probably had to permanently UNBLOCK her private server in order to even ALLOW her underlings to communicate with it.. Meaning that the INTERNAL security team at State had FULL KNOWLEDGE of this end run around protocol.

So much for being incompetent and naive. All you have to do is scream out orders when you are W.H. Cabinet member.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

DAMNING! JUST DAMNING!

Erik Prince: Clinton ‘Playing Fast and Loose with National Security Very Likely Caused’ Iranian Nuclear Scientist’s Death

“The physicist that came out, he defected, he was a treasure trove of information, but the CIA and the Clinton State Department botched it while he was in the States, left him pretty much unsupported,” Prince replied, calling it a major mistake to leave Amiri’s family in Iran.

“The second time he calls home, the Iranian intelligence service answers the phone. Undoubtedly, they leveraged him. When the guy talks about psychological trauma here in the United States, I’m sure it’s because the Iranians were telling him all the things they were going to do to his family if he didn’t come home,” said Prince.

“Once again, the administration screwed it up. He goes home; of course, he’s arrested. And then Hillary’s emails, which were in the open, certainly readable by foreign powers, were talking about Hillary’s so-called friend, who was a defection, and not an abduction, as the guy was claiming,” he added.

Prince said that if the American people want to break through what Bannon described as “the media Praetorian Guard” around Clinton and Obama, to get some real coverage of the Amiri story, they should understand that “Hillary’s emails, playing fast and loose with national security matters, very likely caused this guy to die.”

“He’d been sentenced to prison, but after the release of these emails, he was taken out and executed,” said Prince.

 

[S.J.]

Reminds me of this one. Who would trust a Democrat?
Leon Panetta concern over Bin Laden 'informer' Shikal Afridi - BBC News

 

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[The Great Goose]

shes a fruit bat.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

shes a fruit bat.

She's a joke propped up by the system, like her predecessor.

 

[JakeStarkey]

No one was executed because of the emails.

Even you know that is a lie.

Nope, no one can prove that he was executed because of the emails. You need to stop lying.

 

[Care4all]

Do you mean this post by Vigil?

Did Hillarys Unsecured Email Server Get ProAmerican Spies Killed?

What does that have to do with Hillary's email server and wikileaks hacking her and getting the scientist killed???

The point is that Hillary's unsecured email server could have been the vector by which the Iranians found out who was giving them information on their nuclear research.

not really, the emails are from after the time this scientist had already succumbed to the Iranians black mail and asked to go home....So his wife and kid would not be killed.

So the Iranians knew already that he was a spy.

And her server was a Secure Server, it was just an UNCLASSIFIED s server, just like all of her aides using the State.gov email system, which was ALSO an UNCLASSIFIED system.

Please stop with you analysis of what kind of communications gear comprises a system SECURE for transmitting Classified info... It's just that you are SOOO wrong and have been repeatedly corrected and YET -- you persist. State doesn't HAVE just one level of Comm. There are probably a couple UNclassified networks and maybe up to 6 or 8 classified networks that MAY have NOTHING TO DO with the Internet.

ANY organization can make their OWN SECURE internet. One that is TESTED to the specs of NSA and has ZERO exposure to the public.. Please stop claiming that the Gargoyle's server was "secured" for transmitting classified information.. It hurts my head to just hear it...

Do you think I don't know such for some reason? I KNOW the govt has a separate system for highly Classified documents and this system does not have email over the internet....it is solely used as an inhouse system. Did you know that?

It is NOT a system that the State Dept uses for it's employees to use to do their daily jobs. The State.gov system, which was designed long before Hillary, was their UNCLASSIFIED email system for all of the State Dept to get their jobs done.

So any emails Hillary received from her Aides did not come from the CLASSIFIED govt system to Hillary, they came to her from the govt's UNCLASSIFIED email system. Her aides should not have been discussing highly classified information on the State.gov email system, and should not have forwarded those emails of theirs to Hillary.

BOTH discussing it on the State.gov email and sending the emails to Hillary's server, were EQUALLY wrong of her Aides...even though her AIDES were using their government email system, State.gov, it was NOT secure for Classified information to be emailed to each other....top level classified information should never be sent via the internet/email.

Was it criminal, NO...it was not espionage, her employees meant no harm to the USA...were not stealing secrets to give to the enemy for the enemy's benefit, did not get paid to spy for a foreign Nation yahdadadadahda...

the right wing has made a mountain out of a mole hill....ALL for political posturing.

Deary.. The .gov system has NOTHING to do with any classified communications. People at state know what APPROPRIATE channel to use depending on the recipients and the content. So get .gov out of your mind.

Her aides FORWARDED those messages over UNSECURED links because they were TOLD TO DO SO. So quit blaming her underlings for her negligence and arrogance.

When they DID discuss classified details -- those details were routed thru dozens of INET nodes that have NOTHING to do with .gov. And when she REPLIED -- she was replying on a totally INSECURE network server in her home basement and back thru dozens of randoms nodes..

IT WAS criminal -- because it is clear and simple MISHANDLING of classified material. If I left a briefcase with classified material on paper or in electronic form locked in my hotel room or car trunk for even 10 minutes --- the assumption would be that the information was compromised. And EVERYONE in the program would be instructed to adjust the protocols and or keys or the personnel referenced would be re-tasked

That's why the Valerie Plume deal was big. There was also no espionage involved. Just a compromise of identity. Meaning that ANYONE working with her, American or foreign friendly cohorts, would be reassigned, repurposed or moved because of the risk of THEIR exposure.

There are probably still "diplomatic cables" at VERY high security levels for just the key state and foreign embassy "eyes only" personnel. She availed herself of LITTLE of that. As far as anyone can tell. Because she FEARED computers and only felt comfortable with her pocket toys. REFUSED to have the PROPER equipment installed in her VERY secure office at State. She is guilty as hell....

The Kerry State Dept, did not believe the emails by Hillary's aides and then forwarded to her, was t/s classified...the intelligence community believed it was....the State department and the Intelligence community argued with each other for nearly a year on the classification of these emails, the IC saying they were T/S and the State department saying they were NOT top secret....

There is more going on here than this cut and dry scenario that you have imagined FlaCalTenn...

the information these aides were discussing in these email chains, was NOT information gotten from the Government's Top Secret System.

 

[paperview]

Clinton’s email server did not lead to an Iranian scientist’s death

Despite what you might read on Donald Trump’s twitter feed, the Iranian execution of a nuclear scientist who defected to the United States and then changed his mind was not caused by Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server. The scientist outed himself; it wasn’t Clinton’s fault.

The Iranian government announced Sunday it had executed Shahram Amiri, a nuclear scientist who spent about 14 months in the United States in 2009 and 2010. Senator Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) noted on Sunday’s Face the Nation that Amiri’s case had been discussed by top Clinton State Department officials on emails that passed through her private server.

“I’m not going to comment on what he may or may not have done for the United States government, but in the emails that were on Hillary Clinton’s private server, there were conversations among her senior advisors about this gentleman,” Cotton said. “That goes to show just how reckless and careless her decision was to put that kind of highly classified information on a private server.”

The Drudge Report ran the story with a banner title, “Clinton email led to execution in Iran?” which Trump promptly retweeted without comment to his 10.7 million followers.

<snip>

“The Trump campaign has never met a conspiracy theory it didn’t like. He and his supporters continue to use increasingly desperate rhetoric to attack Hillary Clinton and make absurd accusations because they have no ideas for the American people,” said Clinton campaign spokesman Jesse Lehrich. “It’s pretty remarkable to baselessly claim that Hillary Clinton is responsible for this tragic death.”

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In 2010, I covered Amiri’s strange case for Foreign Policy magazine and watched in real time as the Clinton State Department struggled to deal with Amiri’s story. When Amiri arrived at the Pakistani embassy, he was asking to be sent back to Iran. He had an elaborate story for how he had gotten there.

According to what Amiri told Pakistani and Iranian officials, he was kidnapped in Medina, Saudi Arabia in 2009, on his way to the mosque, thrown in a van, drugged, and taken the United States. He claimed he never gave any information to the U.S. government and that he was moved around a lot, staying mostly in Arizona and Washington, DC.

For some unknown reason, 14 months into his capture, the U.S. government put Amiri in a cab and had him shipped back into Iranian hands, according to the story Amiri told just before he returned to Iran. He never explained how or why he was able to record Youtube videos during his alleged capture, each of which had different accounts of what happened to him.


U.S. officials at the time told me and many other journalists that Amiri had defected to the United States of his own free will and had helped the U.S. for many years while he was in Iran by providing essential intelligence information about Iran’s nuclear program. The Washington Post reported at the time the U.S. government had paid Amiri $5 million.

Clinton talked publicly about the case at the time. “He’s free to go. He was free to come. These decisions are his alone to make,” she said on July 13, 2010.

There are several possible explanations as to why Amiri decided to go home and face the judgment of the Iranian justice system, which concluded he was a traitor. The Iranian government may have threatened his wife and 7-year old son. He may have hated life on the run. He may have had a change of heart.

But there’s no reasonable connection between the discussion of Amiri’s case on email by Clinton’s staff to Amiri’s eventual execution. There’s no evidence her server was hacked. The Iranians knew all about Amiri well before the emails were released publicly. His kidnapping story never held water and his fate was sealed long before his sentence was carried out.

Add Shahram Amiri to the list of deaths Trump has carelessly speculated that Clinton is responsible for with no real evidence. At least he can’t blame her for the Kennedy assassination; he’s already got a conspiracy theory for that one."

 

[flacaltenn]

The point is that Hillary's unsecured email server could have been the vector by which the Iranians found out who was giving them information on their nuclear research.

not really, the emails are from after the time this scientist had already succumbed to the Iranians black mail and asked to go home....So his wife and kid would not be killed.

So the Iranians knew already that he was a spy.

And her server was a Secure Server, it was just an UNCLASSIFIED s server, just like all of her aides using the State.gov email system, which was ALSO an UNCLASSIFIED system.

Please stop with you analysis of what kind of communications gear comprises a system SECURE for transmitting Classified info... It's just that you are SOOO wrong and have been repeatedly corrected and YET -- you persist. State doesn't HAVE just one level of Comm. There are probably a couple UNclassified networks and maybe up to 6 or 8 classified networks that MAY have NOTHING TO DO with the Internet.

ANY organization can make their OWN SECURE internet. One that is TESTED to the specs of NSA and has ZERO exposure to the public.. Please stop claiming that the Gargoyle's server was "secured" for transmitting classified information.. It hurts my head to just hear it...

Do you think I don't know such for some reason? I KNOW the govt has a separate system for highly Classified documents and this system does not have email over the internet....it is solely used as an inhouse system. Did you know that?

It is NOT a system that the State Dept uses for it's employees to use to do their daily jobs. The State.gov system, which was designed long before Hillary, was their UNCLASSIFIED email system for all of the State Dept to get their jobs done.

So any emails Hillary received from her Aides did not come from the CLASSIFIED govt system to Hillary, they came to her from the govt's UNCLASSIFIED email system. Her aides should not have been discussing highly classified information on the State.gov email system, and should not have forwarded those emails of theirs to Hillary.

BOTH discussing it on the State.gov email and sending the emails to Hillary's server, were EQUALLY wrong of her Aides...even though her AIDES were using their government email system, State.gov, it was NOT secure for Classified information to be emailed to each other....top level classified information should never be sent via the internet/email.

Was it criminal, NO...it was not espionage, her employees meant no harm to the USA...were not stealing secrets to give to the enemy for the enemy's benefit, did not get paid to spy for a foreign Nation yahdadadadahda...

the right wing has made a mountain out of a mole hill....ALL for political posturing.

Deary.. The .gov system has NOTHING to do with any classified communications. People at state know what APPROPRIATE channel to use depending on the recipients and the content. So get .gov out of your mind.

Her aides FORWARDED those messages over UNSECURED links because they were TOLD TO DO SO. So quit blaming her underlings for her negligence and arrogance.

When they DID discuss classified details -- those details were routed thru dozens of INET nodes that have NOTHING to do with .gov. And when she REPLIED -- she was replying on a totally INSECURE network server in her home basement and back thru dozens of randoms nodes..

IT WAS criminal -- because it is clear and simple MISHANDLING of classified material. If I left a briefcase with classified material on paper or in electronic form locked in my hotel room or car trunk for even 10 minutes --- the assumption would be that the information was compromised. And EVERYONE in the program would be instructed to adjust the protocols and or keys or the personnel referenced would be re-tasked

That's why the Valerie Plume deal was big. There was also no espionage involved. Just a compromise of identity. Meaning that ANYONE working with her, American or foreign friendly cohorts, would be reassigned, repurposed or moved because of the risk of THEIR exposure.

There are probably still "diplomatic cables" at VERY high security levels for just the key state and foreign embassy "eyes only" personnel. She availed herself of LITTLE of that. As far as anyone can tell. Because she FEARED computers and only felt comfortable with her pocket toys. REFUSED to have the PROPER equipment installed in her VERY secure office at State. She is guilty as hell....

The Kerry State Dept, did not believe the emails by Hillary's aides and then forwarded to her, was t/s classified...the intelligence community believed it was....the State department and the Intelligence community argued with each other for nearly a year on the classification of these emails, the IC saying they were T/S and the State department saying they were NOT top secret....

There is more going on here than this cut and dry scenario that you have imagined FlaCalTenn...

the information these aides were discussing in these email chains, was NOT information gotten from the Government's Top Secret System.

See -- that last line of yours is the actual problem., You think that classified material is something that "is gotten" from some sort of locked vault. It MIGHT BE.. But the vast majority of classified material is in PEOPLE'S HEADS. And they are trained to only divulge that information under the proper protocols and over the APPROVED comm channels.

So that's why all these TS SCI folks can go on the Sunday shows and not BLURT OUT classified material. That's why ex-cia directors can be talking heads or Putin can joke around and not spill the beans.

They need to plan, design, discuss classified information and BUILD on it EVERY work day. And MOST of that -- never makes it onto paper in a vault or e-media.

As far as Kerry vs Intel Agencies -- I'll go with the agencies. Because it's THEIR people and methods that need the protection. And Kerry is too political to be objective anyways. He's blowing smoke as usual. And putting folks to sleep..

 

[JimBowie1958]

Add Shahram Amiri to the list of deaths Trump has carelessly speculated that Clinton is responsible for with no real evidence.

"No real evidence" = "I will never become convinced because I am a political hack and who gets killed really does not bother me as long as I get my free shit."

Paperview, you dont even make a pretense of having any concern for this hanged nuclear scientist who made the mistake of trusting the US government to protect him from the Iranian Mullahs.

 

[JimBowie1958]

the information these aides were discussing in these email chains, was NOT information gotten from the Government's Top Secret System.

FlacalTenn has a solid point here, C4A, in that classified data can come from anywhere, but any person who handles said information is responsible not only for the document but for the information itself. Transcribing the data from a classified document to a nonclassified system using reworded text, is not protecting the information itself which is the primary goal.

But I appreciate the attitude you have of wanting to secure classified information as we discuss how that needs to be done. Too many people are political hacks who really could not care less who gets hurt from careless handling of this material.

 

[paperview]

Add Shahram Amiri to the list of deaths Trump has carelessly speculated that Clinton is responsible for with no real evidence.

"No real evidence" = "I will never become convinced because I am a political hack and who gets killed really does not bother me as long as I get my free shit."

Paperview, you dont even make a pretense of having any concern for this hanged nuclear scientist who made the mistake of trusting the US government to protect him from the Iranian Mullahs.

As usual, Bow head doesn't have a clue what he's talking about.