Diane Black , a female GOP rich rep. wants to end the EMTLA

[JoeB131]

Single payer would be no different than Medicare. It would all be farmed out to private insurance companies anyway.. The only difference is that government will be buying our insurance for us, with our tax money. And we'll have precious little say in the matter.

We have precious little say in the matter now. Except with single payer, everyone will be covered.

 

[dblack]

Single payer would be no different than Medicare. It would all be farmed out to private insurance companies anyway.. The only difference is that government will be buying our insurance for us, with our tax money. And we'll have precious little say in the matter.

We have precious little say in the matter now. Except with single payer, everyone will be covered.

We have much less say with ACA, that's true. But single payer would be even worse in that regard. That's the problem with socialism. We'll get what government thinks we ought to have, and nothing more.

 

[JoeB131]

We have much less say with ACA, that's true. But single payer would be even worse in that regard. That's the problem with socialism. We'll get what government thinks we ought to have, and nothing more.

Which for a lot of people, is more than they have now.

Again- rest of the world has figured this out.

The thing about people like you who favor SIngle Payer isn't that you want to be "Free" of insurnace. My guess is, you grab your employer's insurance package with both hands.

You're horrified at the thought some poor person can get the same thing.


Eeeeek, Socialism.

I bet you if the rich had to go to the same hospitals the poor had to go to, we'd fix health care in a hurry in this country.

 

[MadChemist]

Single payer would be no different than Medicare. It would all be farmed out to private insurance companies anyway.. The only difference is that government will be buying our insurance for us, with our tax money. And we'll have precious little say in the matter.

This seems to be the point nobody gets.

What's worse is that the transition period would be across several sessions of congress, any of which could screw with it along the way.

 

[anotherlife]

There is no 'going back' to anything. We don't have that option. We can only go forward.

I don't have a real beef with EMTALA. I think it's mostly insignificant when compared to the other inflationary pressures on the health care market. It does transfer some cost, via the unfunded mandate, but I don't think we'd gain much in repealing it.

I just get a kick out of watching the very people who insist that we have stupid laws like EMTALA in the first place, bitching about the cost transfers. Cost transfers are the point of unfunded mandates. It's like you're arguing with yourself.

Oh, quit trying to weasel your way out of it.

EMTALA is the result of not passing single payer in the 1970's when we should have. And, yes, the total of uncompensated care is 40 Billion a year, about 6% of total hospital expenses. But that's just where it starts, because when you add on the costs of collection agencies and bankruptcies, it just gets higher.

Who pays when someone without insurance shows up in the ER?

All we have to do to resolve the cost shifting of EMTALA is fund it. Raise tax revenues to match the 40 billion a year and compensate the hospitals for the care. I wonder what the excuses are for not doing the obvious.

This is exactly the problem with the socialist. They don't pay taxes so they are quick to raise tax revenue, from the pockets of those who work. Very unethical.

Sure, but at least it would be a fully informed decision. As it is, Congress hides the real cost of its programs by making others pay for them. Unfunded mandates are a blatant abuse of government power.

The problem with congress is that it brings it into the legislative domain. Once that happens, people get beat up and robbed with new laws. Keeping it unfounded at least protects working people.

 

[dblack]

We have much less say with ACA, that's true. But single payer would be even worse in that regard. That's the problem with socialism. We'll get what government thinks we ought to have, and nothing more.

Which for a lot of people, is more than they have now.

I don't think it would be. The people who can't afford health care now get whatever health care government thinks they should have. Single payer doesn't really change things for them - it changes things for everyone else. We all be a the mercy of government when it comes to health care. We'll all get the health care that government thinks we should have. Given that our government is, all-too-often, run by miscreants like Trump, it's not a comforting thought.

 

[dblack]

There is no 'going back' to anything. We don't have that option. We can only go forward.

I don't have a real beef with EMTALA. I think it's mostly insignificant when compared to the other inflationary pressures on the health care market. It does transfer some cost, via the unfunded mandate, but I don't think we'd gain much in repealing it.

I just get a kick out of watching the very people who insist that we have stupid laws like EMTALA in the first place, bitching about the cost transfers. Cost transfers are the point of unfunded mandates. It's like you're arguing with yourself.

Oh, quit trying to weasel your way out of it.

EMTALA is the result of not passing single payer in the 1970's when we should have. And, yes, the total of uncompensated care is 40 Billion a year, about 6% of total hospital expenses. But that's just where it starts, because when you add on the costs of collection agencies and bankruptcies, it just gets higher.

Who pays when someone without insurance shows up in the ER?

All we have to do to resolve the cost shifting of EMTALA is fund it. Raise tax revenues to match the 40 billion a year and compensate the hospitals for the care. I wonder what the excuses are for not doing the obvious.

This is exactly the problem with the socialist. They don't pay taxes so they are quick to raise tax revenue, from the pockets of those who work. Very unethical.

Sure, but at least it would be a fully informed decision. As it is, Congress hides the real cost of its programs by making others pay for them. Unfunded mandates are a blatant abuse of government power.

The problem with congress is that it brings it into the legislative domain. Once that happens, people get beat up and robbed with new laws. Keeping it unfounded at least protects working people.

I couldn't disagree more. Unfunded doesn't mean we don't pay for it. It doesn't help working people. I just lets Congress continue to expand the scope of government without raising taxes.

 

[MadChemist]

U.S. Rep. Diane Black would like to see changes to a federal law to allow emergency department staff to turn patients away.

Black, a Republican gubernatorial candidate and former nurse, said a federal law, called EMTALA is a "burden" that took away clinicians' ability to tell patients that "an emergency room is not the proper place" for treatment.

The law, the Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor Act, requires ER staff to treat any patient regardless of ailment, ability to pay or other grounds of discrimination.

"I would get rid of a law that says that you ― you are not allowed, as a health care professional, to make that decision about whether someone can be appropriately treated the next day, or at a walk-in clinic, or at their doctor,” Black, R-Gallatin, said in comments on MSNBC on Oct. 13.

Diane Black wants ERs to be able to send people away. Here are the issues for patients, doctors.
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This is one nasty women in my opinion, get rid of the ACA, gut Medicare and Medicaid and Snap, very pro the tax cut for the elites. Also wants to defund PP, being an ex RN she so cares about people health. All this female cares about in my opinion is the almighty buck.

This is what I mean by 1780's france. Let them eat cake and let them die on the side of the road.

We have to be ready to take up arms against these monsters.

Take up arms ?

 

[Penelope]

U.S. Rep. Diane Black would like to see changes to a federal law to allow emergency department staff to turn patients away.

Black, a Republican gubernatorial candidate and former nurse, said a federal law, called EMTALA is a "burden" that took away clinicians' ability to tell patients that "an emergency room is not the proper place" for treatment.

The law, the Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor Act, requires ER staff to treat any patient regardless of ailment, ability to pay or other grounds of discrimination.

"I would get rid of a law that says that you ― you are not allowed, as a health care professional, to make that decision about whether someone can be appropriately treated the next day, or at a walk-in clinic, or at their doctor,” Black, R-Gallatin, said in comments on MSNBC on Oct. 13.

Diane Black wants ERs to be able to send people away. Here are the issues for patients, doctors.
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This is one nasty women in my opinion, get rid of the ACA, gut Medicare and Medicaid and Snap, very pro the tax cut for the elites. Also wants to defund PP, being an ex RN she so cares about people health. All this female cares about in my opinion is the almighty buck.

This is what I mean by 1780's france. Let them eat cake and let them die on the side of the road.

We have to be ready to take up arms against these monsters.

Take up arms ?

Read the second amendment and why is was wrote.

 

[anotherlife]

Oh, quit trying to weasel your way out of it.

EMTALA is the result of not passing single payer in the 1970's when we should have. And, yes, the total of uncompensated care is 40 Billion a year, about 6% of total hospital expenses. But that's just where it starts, because when you add on the costs of collection agencies and bankruptcies, it just gets higher.

Who pays when someone without insurance shows up in the ER?

All we have to do to resolve the cost shifting of EMTALA is fund it. Raise tax revenues to match the 40 billion a year and compensate the hospitals for the care. I wonder what the excuses are for not doing the obvious.

This is exactly the problem with the socialist. They don't pay taxes so they are quick to raise tax revenue, from the pockets of those who work. Very unethical.

Sure, but at least it would be a fully informed decision. As it is, Congress hides the real cost of its programs by making others pay for them. Unfunded mandates are a blatant abuse of government power.

The problem with congress is that it brings it into the legislative domain. Once that happens, people get beat up and robbed with new laws. Keeping it unfounded at least protects working people.

I couldn't disagree more. Unfunded doesn't mean we don't pay for it. It doesn't help working people. I just lets Congress continue to expand the scope of government without raising taxes.

And you pointed out the essence of the problem here. Unfunded may make you indebted. But taxes make you a slave. That's worse.

 

[MadChemist]

U.S. Rep. Diane Black would like to see changes to a federal law to allow emergency department staff to turn patients away.

Black, a Republican gubernatorial candidate and former nurse, said a federal law, called EMTALA is a "burden" that took away clinicians' ability to tell patients that "an emergency room is not the proper place" for treatment.

The law, the Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor Act, requires ER staff to treat any patient regardless of ailment, ability to pay or other grounds of discrimination.

"I would get rid of a law that says that you ― you are not allowed, as a health care professional, to make that decision about whether someone can be appropriately treated the next day, or at a walk-in clinic, or at their doctor,” Black, R-Gallatin, said in comments on MSNBC on Oct. 13.

Diane Black wants ERs to be able to send people away. Here are the issues for patients, doctors.
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This is one nasty women in my opinion, get rid of the ACA, gut Medicare and Medicaid and Snap, very pro the tax cut for the elites. Also wants to defund PP, being an ex RN she so cares about people health. All this female cares about in my opinion is the almighty buck.

This is what I mean by 1780's france. Let them eat cake and let them die on the side of the road.

We have to be ready to take up arms against these monsters.

Take up arms ?

Read the second amendment and why is was wrote.

To take up arms against your political opponents ?

I don't think so.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

LET THEM DIE!

The republican party is the party of satan.

wrong again fuckchop.

If you are actually dying or in actual 'need' of medical care, you will get it, and you won't have to sit, in pain, for hours, to get it.

They do triage in ER's so if you have to sit in pain for awhile, just be assured that are more sick people ahead of you. After all that is what ER's are for.

Indeed they do. But when you add in a large number of non-emergency patients it does cause problems, regardless of the triage. The staff is more distracted and certainly more exhausted. The chances of errors goes up. The time a Dr has to actually talk to the patient goes down. Lab tests are delayed ect ect.

Is that the way they write in Tuscaloosa? The abbreviation is "etc." not "ect". Thank you for your attention in this matter.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

U.S. Rep. Diane Black would like to see changes to a federal law to allow emergency department staff to turn patients away.

Black, a Republican gubernatorial candidate and former nurse, said a federal law, called EMTALA is a "burden" that took away clinicians' ability to tell patients that "an emergency room is not the proper place" for treatment.

The law, the Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor Act, requires ER staff to treat any patient regardless of ailment, ability to pay or other grounds of discrimination.

"I would get rid of a law that says that you ― you are not allowed, as a health care professional, to make that decision about whether someone can be appropriately treated the next day, or at a walk-in clinic, or at their doctor,” Black, R-Gallatin, said in comments on MSNBC on Oct. 13.

Diane Black wants ERs to be able to send people away. Here are the issues for patients, doctors.
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This is one nasty women in my opinion, get rid of the ACA, gut Medicare and Medicaid and Snap, very pro the tax cut for the elites. Also wants to defund PP, being an ex RN she so cares about people health. All this female cares about in my opinion is the almighty buck.

This is what I mean by 1780's france. Let them eat cake and let them die on the side of the road.

We have to be ready to take up arms against these monsters.

Take up arms ?

Read the second amendment and why is was wrote.

"why is was wrote" WTF does that suppose to mean?

 

[danielpalos]

There is no 'going back' to anything. We don't have that option. We can only go forward.

I don't have a real beef with EMTALA. I think it's mostly insignificant when compared to the other inflationary pressures on the health care market. It does transfer some cost, via the unfunded mandate, but I don't think we'd gain much in repealing it.

I just get a kick out of watching the very people who insist that we have stupid laws like EMTALA in the first place, bitching about the cost transfers. Cost transfers are the point of unfunded mandates. It's like you're arguing with yourself.

Oh, quit trying to weasel your way out of it.

EMTALA is the result of not passing single payer in the 1970's when we should have. And, yes, the total of uncompensated care is 40 Billion a year, about 6% of total hospital expenses. But that's just where it starts, because when you add on the costs of collection agencies and bankruptcies, it just gets higher.

Who pays when someone without insurance shows up in the ER?

One more reason to solve simple poverty via existing legal and physical infrastructure.

 

[Penelope]

U.S. Rep. Diane Black would like to see changes to a federal law to allow emergency department staff to turn patients away.

Black, a Republican gubernatorial candidate and former nurse, said a federal law, called EMTALA is a "burden" that took away clinicians' ability to tell patients that "an emergency room is not the proper place" for treatment.

The law, the Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor Act, requires ER staff to treat any patient regardless of ailment, ability to pay or other grounds of discrimination.

"I would get rid of a law that says that you ― you are not allowed, as a health care professional, to make that decision about whether someone can be appropriately treated the next day, or at a walk-in clinic, or at their doctor,” Black, R-Gallatin, said in comments on MSNBC on Oct. 13.

Diane Black wants ERs to be able to send people away. Here are the issues for patients, doctors.
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This is one nasty women in my opinion, get rid of the ACA, gut Medicare and Medicaid and Snap, very pro the tax cut for the elites. Also wants to defund PP, being an ex RN she so cares about people health. All this female cares about in my opinion is the almighty buck.

This is what I mean by 1780's france. Let them eat cake and let them die on the side of the road.

We have to be ready to take up arms against these monsters.

Take up arms ?

Read the second amendment and why is was wrote.

"why is was wrote" WTF does that suppose to mean?

Fricken go to prison if you want to take up arms. It was meant to be militias and we have the NG now.

 

[Dick Foster]

U.S. Rep. Diane Black would like to see changes to a federal law to allow emergency department staff to turn patients away.

Black, a Republican gubernatorial candidate and former nurse, said a federal law, called EMTALA is a "burden" that took away clinicians' ability to tell patients that "an emergency room is not the proper place" for treatment.

The law, the Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor Act, requires ER staff to treat any patient regardless of ailment, ability to pay or other grounds of discrimination.

"I would get rid of a law that says that you ― you are not allowed, as a health care professional, to make that decision about whether someone can be appropriately treated the next day, or at a walk-in clinic, or at their doctor,” Black, R-Gallatin, said in comments on MSNBC on Oct. 13.

Diane Black wants ERs to be able to send people away. Here are the issues for patients, doctors.
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This is one nasty women in my opinion, get rid of the ACA, gut Medicare and Medicaid and Snap, very pro the tax cut for the elites. Also wants to defund PP, being an ex RN she so cares about people health. All this female cares about in my opinion is the almighty buck.

Well I for one am all for it. An emergency room is no place for a scraped knee or a case of sniffles.

 

[WinterBorn]

There is no 'going back' to anything. We don't have that option. We can only go forward.

I don't have a real beef with EMTALA. I think it's mostly insignificant when compared to the other inflationary pressures on the health care market. It does transfer some cost, via the unfunded mandate, but I don't think we'd gain much in repealing it.

I just get a kick out of watching the very people who insist that we have stupid laws like EMTALA in the first place, bitching about the cost transfers. Cost transfers are the point of unfunded mandates. It's like you're arguing with yourself.

Oh, quit trying to weasel your way out of it.

EMTALA is the result of not passing single payer in the 1970's when we should have. And, yes, the total of uncompensated care is 40 Billion a year, about 6% of total hospital expenses. But that's just where it starts, because when you add on the costs of collection agencies and bankruptcies, it just gets higher.

Who pays when someone without insurance shows up in the ER?

One more reason to solve simple poverty via existing legal and physical infrastructure.

And how do you propose to do that?

 

[Penelope]

U.S. Rep. Diane Black would like to see changes to a federal law to allow emergency department staff to turn patients away.

Black, a Republican gubernatorial candidate and former nurse, said a federal law, called EMTALA is a "burden" that took away clinicians' ability to tell patients that "an emergency room is not the proper place" for treatment.

The law, the Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor Act, requires ER staff to treat any patient regardless of ailment, ability to pay or other grounds of discrimination.

"I would get rid of a law that says that you ― you are not allowed, as a health care professional, to make that decision about whether someone can be appropriately treated the next day, or at a walk-in clinic, or at their doctor,” Black, R-Gallatin, said in comments on MSNBC on Oct. 13.

Diane Black wants ERs to be able to send people away. Here are the issues for patients, doctors.
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This is one nasty women in my opinion, get rid of the ACA, gut Medicare and Medicaid and Snap, very pro the tax cut for the elites. Also wants to defund PP, being an ex RN she so cares about people health. All this female cares about in my opinion is the almighty buck.

Well I for one am all for it. An emergency room is no place for a scraped knee or a case of sniffles.

Maybe not, but its free. And urgent care wants money up front.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

U.S. Rep. Diane Black would like to see changes to a federal law to allow emergency department staff to turn patients away.

Black, a Republican gubernatorial candidate and former nurse, said a federal law, called EMTALA is a "burden" that took away clinicians' ability to tell patients that "an emergency room is not the proper place" for treatment.

The law, the Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor Act, requires ER staff to treat any patient regardless of ailment, ability to pay or other grounds of discrimination.

"I would get rid of a law that says that you ― you are not allowed, as a health care professional, to make that decision about whether someone can be appropriately treated the next day, or at a walk-in clinic, or at their doctor,” Black, R-Gallatin, said in comments on MSNBC on Oct. 13.

Diane Black wants ERs to be able to send people away. Here are the issues for patients, doctors.
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This is one nasty women in my opinion, get rid of the ACA, gut Medicare and Medicaid and Snap, very pro the tax cut for the elites. Also wants to defund PP, being an ex RN she so cares about people health. All this female cares about in my opinion is the almighty buck.

This is what I mean by 1780's france. Let them eat cake and let them die on the side of the road.

We have to be ready to take up arms against these monsters.

Take up arms ?

Read the second amendment and why is was wrote.

"why is was wrote" WTF does that suppose to mean?

Fricken go to prison if you want to take up arms. It was meant to be militias and we have the NG now.

It was meant for BLM/ANTIFA who show up at your house wanting you to give it up to them....Yeah, sure, i will give them free stuff 1 pull of the trigger at a time...

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

U.S. Rep. Diane Black would like to see changes to a federal law to allow emergency department staff to turn patients away.

And she is correct in wanting that