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This is the same false dilemma you Inject into most of these discussions. Someone doesn't agree with your favorite solution to a given problem and, rather than address their concerns, you simply claim that they are indifferent to the problem. Which is chickenshit.
This is the same false dilemma you Inject into most of these discussions. Someone doesn't agree with your favorite solution to a given problem and, rather than address their concerns, you simply claim that they are indifferent to the problem. Which is chickenshit.
again, you guys haven't provided me with the solution that promises me a kid won't die in the street.
So you might not be in favor of it, but you are okay if it happens. That's the thing.
EMTALA is a solution that avoids the obvious answer. The obvious answer is Health Care as a Public Service.
No. This is the same demagoguery thrown up to defend any hare-brained scheme someone comes up with. Just because we don't want to socialize medicine doesn't mean we are okay with kids dying in the street. And we don't need to meet your "demands" for an alternative solution to prove it.
Again, this is political demagoguery, nothing more. Just because someone thinks your socialist pipedream is bullshit, doesn't mean they are indifferent to suffering. Insisting that this is so only makes you are a bigot ascribing evil intent to anyone who disagrees with you.
Not if you end EMTALA. Even a double fuckchop such as yourself should understand that.wrong again fuckchop.LET THEM DIE!
The republican party is the party of satan.
If you are actually dying or in actual 'need' of medical care, you will get it, and you won't have to sit, in pain, for hours, to get it.
Please support your argument.
There must be some statistic regarding deaths before and after that can be directly attributable to EMTALA.
No one knows exactly what happened, but Bessie Smith, the highest paid black entertainer of her day was reportedly in a traffic accident and died while the ambulance was driving around looking for a hospital that would accept a black person.
Common sense tells you that a for profit institution won't do stuff for "free" unless it's tax deductible and then it's not really "free".
Neither of course.
Health care IS a commodity to be bought and sold (actually, it's a service, but I guess that doesn't have the same ring to it). It will remain that way until doctors and nurses see the light and agree to work for free. But that's not a "fuck you" to anyone. Just a recognition of the reality of the situation.
So by that logic, fire fighting and police work is a "service" that is bought and sold because policemen and firefighters don't work for free.
I'm sure as a rugged individualist, you think people should put out their own fires, though.
The reality, though, is we don't provide those things on people's ability to pay. We don't let a tenement of poor children burn down because a rich bitch needs someone to get her cat out of a tree.
Medical treatment should be the same thing. We take care of the poor kids with cancer, and THEN we take care of the rich-bitch's facelift, if we have any money left over.
We do buy the services of the police and firefighters.
We also buy the services of trash haulers. I lived in a city where there was on hauler. And prices were simply stupid. Someone bribed the city council to let them in and we had two. Guess what happened to prices ?
A city of a tiny town. That is why the fine needs to be endorsed for no health ins. , even raised.
Or the money could go to an HSA instead of the Federal Government.
A much better use.
You have to have a compatible health insurance plan to have an HSA.
Sorry guy, my work involves people from all backgrounds and they come prepared. No one comes to vote not knowing their name and address.Bullshit.
I had to go to the Nassau County Department of Social Services for a year and half to get my mother-in-law approved for Medicaid and I paid attention...everyone knows their SSN.
Stop embarrassing yourself.
Um, dude, that was a department where you had to get that info before you showed up. We were talking about someone showing up at an emergency room and having to produce that number when they are maybe injured, to prove they aren't a Mexican or something.
Sorry guy, my work involves people from all backgrounds and they come prepared. No one comes to vote not knowing their name and address.
Your overall disdain for the IQ of minorities is disgusting.Sorry guy, my work involves people from all backgrounds and they come prepared. No one comes to vote not knowing their name and address.
Do they come to vote after they had just been in a car accident or during a major medical crisis?
Your overall disdain for the IQ of minorities is disgusting.
In answer to your question, I had two in-law who went through dementia and alzheimers for a few years and visited a plethora of ERs and discovered that minorities are not the helpless retards Liberals paint them out to be.
Libertarianism at the end of the day is an excuse for selfishness.
You're a racist, pure and simple.Your overall disdain for the IQ of minorities is disgusting.
In answer to your question, I had two in-law who went through dementia and alzheimers for a few years and visited a plethora of ERs and discovered that minorities are not the helpless retards Liberals paint them out to be.
Again, you are dancing around the issue. Not everyone memorizes their SSN Number.
Not everyone carries a copy of their SSN around with them.
Some people actually use STOLEN SSN cards.
so your whacky idea of "let them die if they can't produce an SSN, those fucking beaners!" is just more of your racist crazy.
Nope. It's a call for liberty and mutual respect. You wouldn't understand.
I agree with you concerning Libertarians. Selfish MFers.No. This is the same demagoguery thrown up to defend any hare-brained scheme someone comes up with. Just because we don't want to socialize medicine doesn't mean we are okay with kids dying in the street. And we don't need to meet your "demands" for an alternative solution to prove it.
Again, this is political demagoguery, nothing more. Just because someone thinks your socialist pipedream is bullshit, doesn't mean they are indifferent to suffering. Insisting that this is so only makes you are a bigot ascribing evil intent to anyone who disagrees with you.
Libertarianism at the end of the day is an excuse for selfishness.
Had a saying in the Army. "If you see something wrong and you do nothing about it, you've set a new standard!"
You're a racist, pure and simple.
I'll tell you what...you can start a charity to pay for Ilegals so elderly citizens don't have to lose their homes to tax burden foreclose.
I would love to see you walk into a restaurant in Roosevelt or Uniondale and tell the Illegals there how they can't handle an emergency.
But first name me as a beneficiary on your Life Insurance Policy.
I'm happy to treat them once and then escort them to the border.You're a racist, pure and simple.
I'll tell you what...you can start a charity to pay for Ilegals so elderly citizens don't have to lose their homes to tax burden foreclose.
I would love to see you walk into a restaurant in Roosevelt or Uniondale and tell the Illegals there how they can't handle an emergency.
But first name me as a beneficiary on your Life Insurance Policy.
Guy, you are the one who is trying to deny them health care, not me.
I want to see you go in there and say, "You fucking wetbacks get out of my country".
That would be amusing.
I'm happy to treat them once and then escort them to the border.
Of course the courtesy they extend to trespassers is a body bag; but we won't bring that up.
U.S. Rep. Diane Black would like to see changes to a federal law to allow emergency department staff to turn patients away.
Black, a Republican gubernatorial candidate and former nurse, said a federal law, called EMTALA is a "burden" that took away clinicians' ability to tell patients that "an emergency room is not the proper place" for treatment.
The law, the Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor Act, requires ER staff to treat any patient regardless of ailment, ability to pay or other grounds of discrimination.
"I would get rid of a law that says that you ― you are not allowed, as a health care professional, to make that decision about whether someone can be appropriately treated the next day, or at a walk-in clinic, or at their doctor,” Black, R-Gallatin, said in comments on MSNBC on Oct. 13.
Diane Black wants ERs to be able to send people away. Here are the issues for patients, doctors.
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This is one nasty women in my opinion, get rid of the ACA, gut Medicare and Medicaid and Snap, very pro the tax cut for the elites. Also wants to defund PP, being an ex RN she so cares about people health. All this female cares about in my opinion is the almighty buck.
When arguing for BOcare, many Libs claimed it would allow people currently without health insurance, who use the ER as their personal doctor, to stop that practice. So now that Libs have their communist healthcare system, shouldn’t we at least try to save money and make emergency rooms more efficient? I have been to the emergency room and seen low income people there with their kids who are suffering from a flu or cold seeking treatment. It is inefficient, wasteful and delays getting emergency treatment for people who actually need it. I think if you walk into an emergency room seeking service with a non-emergency condition, you should be charged double the cost, and then have the shit kicked out of you so you know what it feels like to need emergency care.
Like the fact that Mexico kills trespassers?I'm happy to treat them once and then escort them to the border.
Of course the courtesy they extend to trespassers is a body bag; but we won't bring that up.
No, we won't bring up your wank fantasies...
Like the fact that Mexico kills trespassers?
Yeah...
