Zone1 Despite the Democrats' Latest attempt, Men cannot get pregnant.

[Leo123]

#82

Which is squashed with my post #83.

 

[Curried Goats]

Based on my firm roots in reality and what results from these surgeries.

There is very little medical data from actual end results about all this, just the standard progressive desire to ruin the family, and tell people what they want to hear as long as it isn't involving traditonal values.

So you offer no professional medical opinion nor can you link to a medical professional who supports your claim. Got it.

 

[Curried Goats]

I presented more than that, liar. And also that link had more information than your link. It actually explained the MRI images and what they meant. You didn't even read it because you didn't like the words 'trans trend.'

No you didn't.

 

[Rigby5]

Did this moron just say a man can have a uterus? Who gave him his medical degree?

{...

Pregnancy via uterus transplant​

The first baby born from a transplanted uterus arrived in Sweden during October of 2014. While this procedure is still in its early experimental stages, several other babies have been born through this method. Most recently, a family in India welcomed a baby from a transplanted womb, the first such case in the country. Of course, like many such technologies, this method was developed with cisgender women in mind. But many have begun to speculate that this procedure could also apply to transgender women and other AMAB folks. Dr. Richard Paulson, the former president of the American Society for Reproductive Medicine, suggested that uterine transplants for trans women and AMAB folks are more or less possible now. He added, “There would be additional challenges, but I don’t see any obvious problem that would preclude it.” It’s likely that supplementation to replicate hormonal phases during pregnancy would be necessary. Cesarean section would also be necessary for those who have undergone gender confirmation surgery.
...}

 

[Leo123]

No you didn't. You presented me with specious claims from something called Trans Trend that linked to studies that had nothing to do with trans individuals.

So where is this countering scientific or medical belief that you claimed you had that would suggest its better to try to convince trans people to accept their biological sex? *crickets*

Here we go again with you...

Hundreds of trans people regret changing their gender, says trans activist​

Hundreds of trans people regret changing their gender, says trans activist

A transactivist has claimed that hundreds of have gender reassignment regret the decision and want to return to their original sex.

www.news-medical.net

 

[Leo123]

{...

Pregnancy via uterus transplant​

The first baby born from a transplanted uterus arrived in Sweden during October of 2014. While this procedure is still in its early experimental stages, several other babies have been born through this method. Most recently, a family in India welcomed a baby from a transplanted womb, the first such case in the country. Of course, like many such technologies, this method was developed with cisgender women in mind. But many have begun to speculate that this procedure could also apply to transgender women and other AMAB folks. Dr. Richard Paulson, the former president of the American Society for Reproductive Medicine, suggested that uterine transplants for trans women and AMAB folks are more or less possible now. He added, “There would be additional challenges, but I don’t see any obvious problem that would preclude it.” It’s likely that supplementation to replicate hormonal phases during pregnancy would be necessary. Cesarean section would also be necessary for those who have undergone gender confirmation surgery.
...}

'Many speculate' a lot of things. The fact remains, according to your article, this was done with a female.

 

[martybegan]

So you offer no professional medical opinion nor can you link to a medical professional who supports your claim. Got it.

appeal to authority doesn't work on something as cultural and not scientific as this.

Science like this is the new snake oil.

 

[martybegan]

One does not need 'extensive medical knowledge' to know a natal man can never be a woman.

Goats appeals to authority without even caring the authorities are quacks.

 

[Rigby5]

'Many speculate' a lot of things. The fact remains, according to your article, this was done with a female.

Sure, it is just speculative.
However, the plumbing really is not the important part.
The important part is how the person feels, thinks, wants, etc.
And that essentially is totally controlled by hormones about 13 years later than physical differentiation.
Considering all the pesticide hormones in the food chain, the odds of a mismatch over those 13 years is pretty easy to happen.

 

[Rigby5]

One does not need 'extensive medical knowledge' to know a natal man can never be a woman.

How does one tell a "natal man"?
If you just look at the plumbing, that is not good enough.
The male Y chromosome is so defective, that it often falls apart, allowing a fragment that creates a penis, to attach onto to a nearby X chromosome. And when that happens, a female is born with a penis.
Here is a list of common "intersex" conditions:
{...
The following is a list of disorders of sex development that sometimes involve intersex anatomy.

• How do I know if I have an intersex condition?
• 5-alpha reductase deficiency
• Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (AIS)
• Aphallia
• Clitoromegaly (large clitoris)
• Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia (CAH)
• gonadal dysgenesis (partial & complete)
• hypospadias
• I have a line along the underside of my penis
• Klinefelter Syndrome
• micropenis
• mosaicism involving "sex" chromosomes
• MRKH (Mullerian agenesis; vaginal agenesis; congenital absence of vagina)
• ovo-testes (formerly called "true hermaphroditism")
• Partial Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (PAIS)
• Progestin Induced Virilization
• Swyer Syndrome
• Turner Syndrome

...}

 

[Leo123]

How does one tell a "natal man"?
If you just look at the plumbing, that is not good enough.
The male Y chromosome is so defective, that it often falls apart, allowing a fragment that creates a penis, to attach onto to a nearby X chromosome. And when that happens, a female is born with a penis.
Here is a list of common "intersex" conditions:
{...
The following is a list of disorders of sex development that sometimes involve intersex anatomy.

• How do I know if I have an intersex condition?
• 5-alpha reductase deficiency
• Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (AIS)
• Aphallia
• Clitoromegaly (large clitoris)
• Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia (CAH)
• gonadal dysgenesis (partial & complete)
• hypospadias
• I have a line along the underside of my penis
• Klinefelter Syndrome
• micropenis
• mosaicism involving "sex" chromosomes
• MRKH (Mullerian agenesis; vaginal agenesis; congenital absence of vagina)
• ovo-testes (formerly called "true hermaphroditism")
• Partial Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (PAIS)
• Progestin Induced Virilization
• Swyer Syndrome
• Turner Syndrome

...}

Very rare and beside rhe point.

 

[martybegan]

Sure, it is just speculative.
However, the plumbing really is not the important part.
The important part is how the person feels, thinks, wants, etc.
And that essentially is totally controlled by hormones about 13 years later than physical differentiation.
Considering all the pesticide hormones in the food chain, the odds of a mismatch over those 13 years is pretty easy to happen.

a person feeling they can walk through a wall doesn't mean they can.

And defaulting to mutilate them in the hope it fixes things is a bad sell. it should be a last resort, not something encouraged in childhood.

no matter how much someone tries to think differently, the default human condition is males and females, with each being attracted to the other.

 

[Leo123]

Sure, it is just speculative.
However, the plumbing really is not the important part.
The important part is how the person feels, thinks, wants, etc.
And that essentially is totally controlled by hormones about 13 years later than physical differentiation.
Considering all the pesticide hormones in the food chain, the odds of a mismatch over those 13 years is pretty easy to happen.

Plumbing is the essential part. Pointing to the abnormal is useless in this discussion.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Definitions of words change and evolve with society that's how language works.

Orwell called that concept “Newspeak”, and described a very elaborate concept thereof.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

This is a Straw Man. When physicians and scientists talk about about men getting pregnant they are referring to people who are biologically female, with female reproductive systems who are transitioning to a more masculine social appearance to fit their masculine identities.

Mutilate women.

Not men.

Trying to change the meanings of words from what they always have and always will be understood to mean, does not change the underlying reality.

Women can become pregnant.

Men cannot.

That is a crucial, defining part of the distinction between men and women.

Only those who are severely fucked-up in their heads have a difficult time understanding this.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

#82

See post 125.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

{...

Pregnancy via uterus transplant​

The first baby born from a transplanted uterus arrived in Sweden during October of 2014. While this procedure is still in its early experimental stages, several other babies have been born through this method. Most recently, a family in India welcomed a baby from a transplanted womb, the first such case in the country. Of course, like many such technologies, this method was developed with cisgender women in mind. But many have begun to speculate that this procedure could also apply to transgender women and other AMAB folks. Dr. Richard Paulson, the former president of the American Society for Reproductive Medicine, suggested that uterine transplants for trans women and AMAB folks are more or less possible now. He added, “There would be additional challenges, but I don’t see any obvious problem that would preclude it.” It’s likely that supplementation to replicate hormonal phases during pregnancy would be necessary. Cesarean section would also be necessary for those who have undergone gender confirmation surgery.
...}

 

[Curried Goats]

Mutilate women.

Not men.

Trying to change the meanings of words from what they always have and always will be understood to mean, does not change the underlying reality.

Women can become pregnant.

Men cannot.

That is a crucial, defining part of the distinction between men and women.

Only those who are severely fucked-up in their heads have a difficult time understanding this.

Words didn't always mean anything. They were given meaning by the society's who invented them and used them. You don't understand science. You don't understand language. You don't understand rational thought.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

You don't understand science. … You don't understand rational thought.

Anyone who denies the biological basis for the distinction between men and women has no credible claim to “science” nor to “rational thought”.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Words didn't always mean anything. They were given meaning by the society's who invented them and used them. … You don't understand language.

A crucial parameter of language is that the meaning of each word is standardized, so that when one person uses a word, another can understand what is meant by that word.

When you try to twist a word, to use it to mean something that no sane person understands it to mean, then you are undermining the very purpose of language, and demonstrating that it is you who does not understand language.

Every sane English-speaking human being understands the word “man” to refer to an adult human being who is biologically male, and “woman” to refer to an adult human who is biologically female. Your confusion over the meanings of these words, and the underlying reality that they are used by sane people to communicate, only goes to show that there is something very, very, very wrong with you.

No sane person suffers from the confusion that you do, over the distinction between men and women. Such confusion is prima facie proof that there is something seriously messed-up in your head.