Desafiando la Lógica Política

[PoliticalChic]

Means…..defying the political logic.



1.I believe I can prove that the Hispanic population in this country is about 80 million illegals. That’s why you have to press #1 for English. But, to accept the more commonly used number, lets say about 63 million legal, at least 20 million more than the African American population at this time.



2.The Democrats know this full well, and you can see it in their open borders policy, the assumption that Hispanics will block vote Democrat.

“…the Democrats gave up on winning elections among our current population. Americans were too wed to traditional values to go along with the clap- trap the Left was pushing, so the Left decided to create a new American electorate by adding tens of millions of Hispanics and Latinos, who they confidently felt would be their political puppets.”
Dick Morris

Obama told illegs to go and vote....."when you vote, you're a citizen yourself."




3. What is the thinking of Republicans before the 2020 election????

“The Republicans drew the line at another round of amnesty for illegal immigrants, saying it would only lead to more coming over the border. Instead, the Republicans nominated Donald Trump, a president who attacked illegal immigrants, noting that among their numbers were “rapists and murderers.

The Democrats had a field day publicizing the remark and claiming that it was Trump’s death knell in his pursuit of the Latino vote. He was accused of out-and- out racism and bias against Hispanics.

Then Trump did himself one better and made his demand for a Southern border wall to keep out illegal immigrants the centerpiece of his campaign.”
Morris, Op.Cit.

Crazy, huh?

What do you suppose the predictions about the Hispanic voter were?


Soooo……..the logic is dispositive…..is it not????????



Or is it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

4. “Democrats licked their chops. They figured they had drawn a line in the sand, and that Trump had stepped over it. Now he could not win the Hispanic vote, and would probably be defeated for re-election.

But fortunately, the Democrats were dead wrong. The 2020 election shows clearly that the Hispanic/Latino vote is trending Republican, impelled by Trump’s policies and priorities. Regardless of who you think really won the 2020 election, everybody now agrees that the Hispanic vote, for the first time in history, swung dramatically to the Republicans.



Trump’s vote share among Hispanics grew by eight points between his 2016 victory against Hillary, and his 2020 run against Biden. Not only did Trump not repel Latino voters, he proved to be a positive magnet in attracting them! Trump was supposed to lose Texas and Florida because he had alienated Hispanics. Yeah? He carried Texas by six points, and Florida by three.”
Morris, “The Return”




Care to give an explanation?

 

[PoliticalChic]

5. Imagine the Democrats, election night 2020:

“Miami-Dade County gave the Democratic Party a panic attack. Florida was the first major swing state to report its ballots, and returns from overwhelmingly Hispanic—and heretofore, overwhelmingly Democratic—precincts showing the incumbent president making massive gains with a demographic they said he’d spent five years disparaging. And in South Texas, in the famed Rio Grande Valley, it was the same story.

Trump beat Biden.

In Zapata County, which Time Magazine describes as a patchwork of cattle ranches covered in prickly pear cactus that is 95 percent Hispanic, and that Hillary carried by thirty-three points, Trump won by five. The first Republican presidential win there since 1920.

And the tide rolled on! Hispanic and Latino counties in Texas—La Salle, Jim Wells, Kennedy, and Kleberg—flipped from Clinton to Trump. Laredo had the largest swing toward Trump of any big metro area. Even in totally Democratic Hispanic regions like the South Bronx, Trump got five and six times more votes in 2020 than he did in 2016. Overall, Trump’s gains among Hispanics defied all the predictions.”
Dick Morris.




Are you beginning to understand all the fearful attacks designed to stop a 2024 run???

 

[TheReaper]

Way to complicated for Leftists to understand.

If Republicans could somehow turn this tide against them, find a way to reach all the illegals and uneducated Hispanics, and make them know that Democrats are the party of socialism and sexual perversions, if we could flip them all, there would be no more Democrat Party. My Lord if I was running the GOP I would begin a massive campaign and get every Spanish speaking conservative involved, especially entertainment types.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Way to complicated for Leftists to understand.

If Republicans could somehow turn this tide against them, find a way to reach all the illegals and uneducated Hispanics, and make them know that Democrats are the party of socialism and sexual perversions, if we could flip them all, there would be no more Democrat Party. My Lord if I was running the GOP I would begin a massive campaign and get every Spanish speaking conservative involved, especially entertainment types.

My very next post:


6. In his book, “The Return,” Dick Morris gives his analysis.

“I’ll tell you my theory: Hispanics are patriots. They, their parents, and their ancestors voted with their feet to come to America. Behind them, they left governments dominated by socialism, corruption, drugs, and violence.

When they saw the radical Left tearing America down, attacking the police, defacing our history, and displaying the same kind of corruption that ruined their own native countries, they were appalled. In the Trump campaign, we figured there would be a big backlash among white high-school voters against the tactics of Antifa and the radical Left. There was, and we did gain, but less than we thought we would.

Our big wins came among people who had chosen to be Americans. Not just those who were born here, but those who have wanted, all their lives, to be Americans, and were proud that they had made it. The Hispanic vote for Trump rose 8 percent, and his Asian support went up 6 percent. These were the folks who are really determined to save America, the country they dreamed of.”

 

[PoliticalChic]

7. When one considers how well, or not, Hispanics fit with the Democrat Party, the question of nationalism, patriotism, becomes part of the conversation, and it is not a Democrat characteristic.
Did you know that many non-citizens join our all-volunteer forces…. That includes a number of Hispanics.

Distribution of race and ethnicity among the US military - Statista
https://www.statista.com › ... › Politics & Government
Nov 9, 2021 — Distribution of active-duty enlisted women and men in the U.S. Military in 2019, by race and ethnicity ; Black, 28.92%, 16.94% ; American Indian, ...
Hispanic women, 21.39%
Hispanic men, 17.9% of the services.



8. The number of Hispanics in our armed forces actually alters the average size of the entire force.
This conversation from a best-selling novel:

“Are you opposed to Hispanics, as well?

"Average height and weight for a male U.S. Army soldier."

The guy said nothing, but I felt his annoyance fade away. The Quartermaster Corps buys millions of uniforms a year, and twice as many boots, all on a budget, so you can bet it knows the tale of the tape to the nearest half-inch and the nearest half-ounce. It can't afford not to, literally. And it loves to show off its specialized knowledge.

"No problem," the guy said. "Male adult population aged twenty to fifty as a whole in America goes five-nine and a half, and one seventy-eight. We're overrepresented with Hispanics by comparison with the nation as a whole, which brings our median height down one whole inch to five-eight and a half. We train pretty hard, which brings our median weight up three pounds to one eighty-one, muscle being generally heavier than fat."
From the novel "The Enemy" by Lee Child


That's the United States Army, our pride and joy...and our protection.

Get the point?

 

[PoliticalChic]

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9. Which countries are considered Hispanic?

Hispanic countries are: Argentina, Bolivia, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Equatorial Guinea, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Puerto Rico, Spain, Uruguay, and Venezuela.Sep 16, 2019

Five Things to Know About Hispanic Heritage Month - NBC New York





“Cubans, Venezuelans, Colombians, and most Central Americans—with the experience of communism right before them all of their lives—voted heavily for Trump. The high proportion of the Hispanic population of Florida that comes from the Caribbean area, where communism is a real threat, propelled Trump to carry the state.

But the message that America’s Latinos of all stripes sent to the Left is abundantly clear: This country is the best in the world, and we will not vote for any party that would deliver it into the hands of the socialists or communists. A poll by the National Republican Senatorial Committee, taken in spring 2021, found how much Latinos disapprove of the left-wing agenda being pushed by the Democrats.” Morris.

 

[TemplarKormac]

This was a very entertaining thread.

The lack of leftist responses indicates a lack of comprehension, complete denial, or willful ignorance of a whole voting bloc.

Add to that the idea they would be attracted to being labeled as "Latinx." It's pretty stupid.

 

[PoliticalChic]

This was a very entertaining thread.

The lack of leftist responses indicates a lack of comprehension, complete denial, or willful ignorance of a whole voting bloc.

Add to that the idea they would be attracted to being labeled as "Latinx." It's pretty stupid.

Thanks very much, TK.....one more post planned for the thread, chock full of information.

You'll like it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

10. In the GOP poll:

• 58 percent of Latino voters said too many people in America are happy not to work and “just live off government assistance.”

• 80 percent agreed that “public schools are failing.”

• 67 percent felt that too many Americans “are losing our traditional values centered on faith, family, and freedom.”

• 57 percent “opposed Democrat efforts to pack the Supreme Court with liberal justices.”

• 72 percent agreed that “we should do what is necessary to control our Southern border.”

• 65 percent opposed the Democrats’ bill that would make it “illegal to ask voters for photo identification.”

• 50 percent agreed that “many of the policies that Democrats say they want to help Latinos would really hurt Hispanic families.” "are losing our traditional values centered on faith, family and freedom." at DuckDuckGo

 

[Toro]

1.I believe I can prove that the Hispanic population in this country is about 80 million illegals.

Go for it, moron.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Go for it, moron.

Moron???

I'd say the moron is the one who voted for Biden after claiming that a candidate's policies didn't matter.

That would be you.....and I can provide your quote saying that.


let's see who did better:


Adults judge a President by his achievements for the people….Democrats judge by their personality and what they do for the party.
Dick Morris notes a number of astounding achievements by Trump…..



1.” He defied the economic establishment by getting Congress to pass a massive tax cut, skillfully crafted to aim at the middle class, the working poor, and small businesses. …. he made sure his tax cuts were the first in recent history to target the lower middle class—the working class. Trump signed a law giving a tax credit of $2,000 per child, and changed tax rates so the lower-income people did not even have to file returns.



2. ….holding Beijing accountable for its unfair trade practices through massive and highly effective trade sanctions. ….Trump insisted that we use our power to stop China from cheating, and force it to compete on a level playing field.

The establishment cautioned him not to mess with China. They said that we owe them so much money, they could pull the plug on us anytime they want to. But as a businessman, Trump understood that it is we who have the upper hand because we buy three times as much from China as they buy from us. And the debt? Trump realized that our debt to China made them dependent on us, not the other way around. After all, we are the ones sitting on their money.



3. The establishment wanted free flow of labor and open borders. But Trump demanded that we keep illegal immigrants out. He said that if we have millions of people willing to work for very little, there’s no way the middle class can move up in wages.



4. The environmental establishment wanted to scrap fossil fuels and go to wind and solar energy. But Trump pointed out that we have worked hard for forty years to be energy independent. So why would we give that power away? Especially for solar panels that don’t work when it’s cloudy, and wind turbines that don’t turn on calm days. Instead, he said, let America be the OPEC of the future and use our energy power for democracy and human rights.



5. The legal establishment said that when illegal immigrants come over the border, they are entitled to constitutional rights. But Trump didn’t see it that way and asked Mexico to put troops on the frontier to keep them on their side of the border. Mexican president López-Obrador, a hardline leftist, asked, “Why should we?” But when Trump threatened trade sanctions, López-Obrador saw the light and deployed 28,000 troops. End of problem, and illegal immigration dried up almost entirely. And to make sure, Trump built five hundred miles of a border wall that everyone was afraid to cross.”

6. “The diplomatic establishment had always pushed for the two-state solution in the Middle East. But Trump knew that wouldn’t accomplish anything. Hamas would still want to kill Israelis. So he got the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia to stop subsidizing Hamas, in return for our protection against our common enemy—Iran.

He imposed crippling sanctions on Iranian ayatollahs, Russian oligarchs, and Venezuelan dictators.



7. The civil rights movement (more specifically, the Black Lives Matter movement) said that minorities have been discriminated against for decades, and that we must abandon the idea of equality. Instead, they claimed that we must begin discriminating against white people. They called it “equity.” Trump stood firm for colorblind government and cut the ground out from under them by ushering in policies that led to Black household income rising to historic heights.”

8. “The president pulled out of the Paris Accord when Europe refused to demand that China stop emitting massive amounts of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.

Then he defied the environmental lobby by supporting an increase in fracking. As a result, we extracted enough natural gas to cut our carbon emissions by over eight hundred million metric tons—more than Europe and Japan combined.”



9. He scrapped NAFTA and negotiated a new deal that stopped China from sneak- ing products into the United States, and allowed duty free hemispheric trade in autos only for those goods produced by Mexican, American, or Canadian workers who are paid at least $15 per hour—the first and only trade deal in history to incentivize higher wages.”

10. Trump's popularity is built on achievements, no media hype.

He actually governed to help real working Americans.


“…Trump discovered a new ethnic group who had lain hidden in our politics, unknown to the oddsmakers, consultants, pundits, and analysts in the news media and the political establishment: the white high-school graduate living in middle America. “Fly-over country,” the insiders sneered. The states that don’t matter, and the voters who don’t really count.

Hillary famously called them the “deplorables.” Obama mocked them, saying, “It’s not surprising, then, that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren’t like them, or anti-immigrant sentiment, or anti- trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

Low wages, closing factories, shrinking towns, and shattered dreams were the grief that gripped these Americans. Illegal immigration that dragged down wages and created a class of working poor, ruinous and unfair competition with China, and trade deals that let Mexico steal our jobs—those were the grievances. And when Trump ripped up NAFTA, sanctioned China, and built a wall along the Southern border—those were the solutions.”
Dick Morris

Dick Morris, “The Return”

Compare the above to what the Democrats have done since the stolen election.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Go for it, moron.

Proof about the 80 million illegal aliens that the Democrats brought in?


Sure thing:




1. That answer moves you firmly into the category of 'moron.'

Case in point: while millions of illegal aliens filter into the country year after year, the very same figure...."11 million illegal aliens live in the country"....neither changes nor is questioned.



2. "... no number has been given greater certitude and less investigation than that. Not even the number of planets in our solar system has enjoyed such constancy and acceptance.



Imagine the reaction if the media reported daily that this 20 million cohort, supplemented by chain migration and family reunification mandates, would swell to 40 million or 50 million in a decade." How Many Illegal Immigrants Live in the US?





There are between 50 million and 80 million illegal aliens living in this country.







3. James H. Walsh, formerly an Associate General Counsel of the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) in the United States Department of Justice, writes



"... the U.S. Census Bureau routinely undercounts and then adjusts upward total census numbers of Hispanics and other foreign nationals residing in the United States––counting only, of course, those willing to be counted. For the year 2000, the Census Bureau reported a total U.S. population count of “about 275 million” men, women, and children.



When the states and local governments challenged that number as an undercount, the total was corrected upward to 281.4 million, with no clear count of illegal aliens. The Hispanic 2000 census count was 32.8 million, but on re-count the Census Bureau adjusted this number upward to 35.3 million, a 13 percent increase."

How many illegal aliens reside in the United States? | CAIRCO - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform | issues legislation projects research



Increased the totals by 13%!!!

Now....hold on tight....this is gonna involve mathematics, so I may lose you here:



Soooo....if we apply that same 'adjustment' to the fabled 11 million....over a decade of so....we have almost 40 million.









But wait!!!

There's more!



4. Another way to arrive at the numbers of illegals in the country is to base it on the number of apprehensions and escapes.



"The average number of recorded apprehensions of illegal aliens in the United States now hovers at 1.2 million a year [in 2007]. A DHS report, Border Apprehensions: 2005, documented 1.3 million apprehensions in 2005. For the 10-year period (1996–2005), the highest number of apprehensions, 1.8 million, occurred in 2000, and the lowest, 1 million, in 2003. These DHS statistics contradict persistent statements by other government agencies that only 400,000 to 500,000 illegal aliens enter the country each year.





Journeymen Border Patrol agents (on the job five years or more) estimate that a minimum of five illegal aliens enter the United States for each apprehension, and more likely seven. That informed estimate would raise the total number of illegal aliens entering the United States in 2003 to 8 million men, women, and children.



He concludes that:



My estimate of 38 million illegal aliens residing in the United States is calculated, however, using a conservative annual rate of entry (allowing for deaths and returns to their homelands) of three illegal aliens entering the United States for each one apprehended. My estimate includes apprehensions at the Southern Border (by far, the majority), at the Northern Border, along the Pacific, Atlantic, and Gulf of Mexico coasts, and at seaports and airports.









5. Taking the DHS average of 1.2 million apprehensions per year and multiplying it by 3 comes to 3.6 million illegal entries per year; then multiplying that number by 10 for the 1996–2005 period, my calculations come to 36 million illegal entries into the United States. Add to this the approximately 2 million visa overstays during the same period, and the total is 38 million illegal aliens currently in the United States."

How many illegal aliens reside in the United States? | CAIRCO - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform | issues legislation projects research



....and that number is over a decade old!!!!!!



Gettin' nervous?





6. But other Border Patrol agents estimate that a minimum of five illegal aliens enter the United States for each apprehension, and more likely seven......which would give a total of nearly 80 million illegals occupying our country.



The number of illegals would be at least.....at least.....60-80 million at this time.....permanently residing right here is this country.





Hence...even a tiny fraction of them voting would be 3-6 million votes.

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Judging by the amount of time and effort that the Democrats spend advancing the aims and claims of illegal aliens....one can begin to see what a huge constituency they make up for the Democrat Party.



" Democrats had extensive get-out-the-vote campaigns in areas heavily populated by illegal aliens. As far back as 2008, Obama made sure that those who wanted to vote knew it was safe, announcing that election records would not be cross-checked with immigration databases.

... the Obama White House supported a court injunction that kept Kansas, Alabama and Georgia from requiring proof of citizenship to register to vote. The message was sent, loud and clear: If you're a noncitizen or here illegally, don't be afraid. You're free to vote. No one will stop you."

Did Votes By Noncitizens Cost Trump The 2016 Popular Vote? Sure Looks That Way

We don't know the exact number of illegal votes. No one does. But the data that are available suggest that the number of illegal votes was substantial.

www.investors.com

 

[TemplarKormac]

10. In the GOP poll:

• 58 percent of Latino voters said too many people in America are happy not to work and “just live off government assistance.”

• 80 percent agreed that “public schools are failing.”

• 67 percent felt that too many Americans “are losing our traditional values centered on faith, family, and freedom.”

• 57 percent “opposed Democrat efforts to pack the Supreme Court with liberal justices.”

• 72 percent agreed that “we should do what is necessary to control our Southern border.”

• 65 percent opposed the Democrats’ bill that would make it “illegal to ask voters for photo identification.”

• 50 percent agreed that “many of the policies that Democrats say they want to help Latinos would really hurt Hispanic families.” "are losing our traditional values centered on faith, family and freedom." at DuckDuckGo

When people who have actually experienced communism and socialism firsthand identify liberal policy positions as similar or identical to those things, the Democrats cease to be anything but socialists and communists.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Go for it, moron.

I proved everything I wrote.

Can I count on your changing your avi to "Moron" forthwith?

 

[PoliticalChic]

When people who have actually experienced communism and socialism firsthand identify liberal policy positions as similar or identical to those things, the Democrats cease to be anything but socialists and communists.

One can only hope.

How do we explain voters like Toro who still supports the Fascist administration?

 

[TemplarKormac]

How do we explain voters like Toro who still supports the Fascist administration?

You don't. These types of people are consumed by reckless emotion and illogic.

 

[TemplarKormac]

PoliticalChic I hate being blunt, but sometimes blunt is all I can be.

 

[miketx]

You don't. These types of people are consumed by reckless emotion and illogic.

Don't forget ironclad stupid.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Don't forget ironclad stupid.

I don't know if 'stupid' covers it.....the Germans were among the most advanced people in Western Civiliation, yet they succumbed to the same psychosis as Toro and many others.