Democrats want families earning $500,000 to keep getting Obamacare subsidies!

[Lisa558]

Premiums were going up pre-Obamacare. That was the reason for the push. Now granted, Obamacare sadly did nothing for rising costs.

Things are so high now because of years and years of pumping the economy not because of Obamacare.

The premiums increased much faster under Obamacare, and with much higher deductibles as well. It is a much more costly program, which is why is requires so much money to be pumped into it to make it “affordable.”

It was a disaster from the start. Obama arranged so much of a pay-off to insurance companies that many times my co-pay was HIGHER than if I pretended not to have insurance at all, and just pay the uninsured rate.

 

[pknopp]

Things are high now because the United States is now one of the fattest countries in the world.

When you want to seriously discuss the issue, please start.

 

[pknopp]

The premiums increased much faster under Obamacare, and with much higher deductibles as well. It is a much more costly program, which is why is requires so much money to be pumped into it to make it “affordable.”

It was a disaster from the start. Obama arranged so much of a pay-off to insurance companies that many times my co-pay was HIGHER than if I pretended not to have insurance at all, and just pay the uninsured rate.

Which even if true is not a reason to not make sure everyone can access affordable health care.

 

[todd down under]

When you want to seriously discuss the issue, please start.

I did. You think obesity is not an increasing problem in the United States?

 

[Lisa558]

Which even if true is not a reason to not make sure everyone can access affordable health care.

And your idea of “everyone affording it” means putting taxpayers on the hook for an additional trillion dollars due to the inflated insurance-payoff scheme Obama jammed down our necks?

We were better off before Obamacare.

 

[Lesh]

Do any of you Democrat Socialists crying about “people’s premiums will double!!!” realize just how extensive the temporary expansion of Ocare subsidies have been?!

A wealthy family of five earning $500,000 get $8,000 in subsidies a year. And a very affluent family of five earning $350,000 year get $21,000 a year. Did you all know that?

And why? Because Obamacare drove costs up so much that health insurance costs a family of five $50,000 a year!
This shows what an abject failure Obamacare is. Obama created a system so unaffordable that everyone needs government welfare to afford it. And that was by intent.

With a debt of $37 trillion, it is past time to stop the trillion dollars it costs to prop up this new welfare program. The subsidies should revert to pre-COVID levels.

(page 6 shows how families earning $500,000 get subsidies.)

https://waysandmeans.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Ways-and-Means-testimony-3.21-FINAL-Blase.pdf

Oh and by the way… Paragon Health Institute is a right wing “ think tank” dedicated to attacking the ACA

 

[Lesh]

And your idea of “everyone affording it” means putting taxpayers on the hook for an additional trillion dollars due to the inflated insurance-payoff scheme Obama jammed down our necks?

We were better off before Obamacare.

Jesus you just flat out lie and expect to be believed?

The ACA subsidy expansion doesn’t cost anywhere near that

 

[Care4all]

True. I was in college at that age, so covered under Dad’s plan, but upon graduation I got a job and bought my own insurance.

We should go back to “children” getting their own insurance once they are out of school.

You didn't pay your health care insurance....your employer paid for 90% or more if it, you paid the miniscule 0%-10%, when health insurance was relatively cheap.

As insurance rates increased employers had to put more of the burden on to employees, as much as 50% and make them pay the full amount for the wife and kids coverage if a married person....and with much higher deductibles for workers to pay...

So the kid out of college today, does not have the same opportunity as we did, when we were young, with affordable employer sponsored health insurance....Nor does the 40yr old worker today.

What your article doesn't mention is how insurance was rising drastically BEFORE Obama care.... it mentioned healthcare spending was like 13% of GDP in 2000 and in 2019 it was 18% of gdp...

BUT FAILED TO MENTION in 2010 the healthcare spending was up to 17% of gdp! That rise was without Obamacare, and from 2010 (with Obama care beginning in 2014) to 2019, the healthcare spending only rose 1%...so as high as healthcare insurance costs are, which is absolutely absurd, the rate of healthcare spending, is or likely is, less than what it would have been if it stayed on the same trend.

It would be great if congress could find a way to make health care, affordable again, for both employers and employees and those self employed and those not working like a housewife or caretaker or young person looking for a job.

 

[OldFlame]

Do any of you Democrat Socialists crying about “people’s premiums will double!!!” realize just how extensive the temporary expansion of Ocare subsidies have been?!

A wealthy family of five earning $500,000 get $8,000 in subsidies a year. And a very affluent family of five earning $350,000 year get $21,000 a year. Did you all know that?

And why? Because Obamacare drove costs up so much that health insurance costs a family of five $50,000 a year!
This shows what an abject failure Obamacare is. Obama created a system so unaffordable that everyone needs government welfare to afford it. And that was by intent.

With a debt of $37 trillion, it is past time to stop the trillion dollars it costs to prop up this new welfare program. The subsidies should revert to pre-COVID levels.

(page 6 shows how families earning $500,000 get subsidies.)

https://waysandmeans.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Ways-and-Means-testimony-3.21-FINAL-Blase.pdf

If you're making that much in salary, how do you even qualify for Obamacare to begin with? Shouldn't their insurance be provided via their employer? Makes zero sense.

 

[Greenbeard]

A wealthy family of five earning $500,000 get $8,000 in subsidies a year. And a very affluent family of five earning $350,000 year get $21,000 a year. Did you all know that?

Given that it’s totally made up, nobody “knows” that.

 

[Marener]

Oh and by the way… Paragon Health Institute is a right wing “ think tank” dedicated to attacking the ACA

They’re pulling every trick to make it as costly as possible.

They priced a plan for a family of 5 with a 60 year old in the most expensive market they could find.

Other markets cost half as much.

 

[todd down under]

A bigger question is why governments mandate that employers provide health insurance.

Start with that. If you give up the principle, then you're just haggling over price.

 

[todd down under]

Oh and by the way… Paragon Health Institute is a right wing “ think tank” dedicated to attacking the ACA

In all fairness, all these "think tanks" are biased.

 

[SweetTea]

lol Then they're making some really really bad decisions.

Or they live in a blue state with exorbitant cost of living.

 

[leftwinger]

Of course, this didn't sound right, so I just checked it out:

Health Insurance Marketplace Calculator

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The response:

Results​

You are not likely eligible for financial help​

Based on the information you provided, your income is equal to 1367% of the poverty level.

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But let's say it IS true. Change the rules and maximums, so that this can't happen but low income people (including Trumpsters) are still covered.

Adjust. Fix. Evolve. Don't just destroy.

Next.

Single poverty line $16K x 13.67 = $218K you dumb OX $436K married joint. Stuff it silk panty thong ***.

Not likely eligible? Huh?

 

[leftwinger]

Republicans don't have a plan not in the last 42 Years. Yes Obamacare is still too expensive.

The transition to Full Coverage Single Payer Health Insurance would apply the savings from costly administration and profits to expanded and improved Full Coverage Single payer—or Medicare for All—is simply a streamlined financing mechanism where one entity administers the health care funding and payments.

Top 10 Reasons For Enacting a Single Payer Healthcare System WHICH provides the healthiest population in the world. Most countries in the world have this.

Top 10 Reasons For Enacting a Single Payer Healthcare System

Which covers:

prescription drugs

hospital

surgical

outpatient services

primary and preventive care

emergency services

dental

mental health

home health

physical therapy

rehabilitation (including for substance abuse)

vision care

chiropractic

long-term care.

For Enacting a Single Payer Healthcare System for ALL>

https://www.nationalnursesunited.org/to

Full Coverage Single Payer ends deductibles, co-payments and bankruptcy due to healthcare.


Full Coverage Single Payer would save billions annually by eliminating high overhead and profits of the private health insurance industry and HMOs.

Why should we? Let the free market decide. I paid for Group Plan Healthcare forever at my jobs. They used to offer cheap catastrophic for young who dont need it, pre-Obiden 1.0.

Now? Its $10K deductibles at $600/mo per person PPO any doctor type. You pay per visit also. $100?

 

[leftwinger]

Because she wasn't married to me when she got the subsidies. She was living paycheck to paycheck.

(Actually, it's a bit more complicated than that, but never mind.)

Unlike most couples, we didn't co-habitate before we got married.

So why should I be paying for her subsidies that happened before we got married? that seems kind of stupid.

Subsidies: translation. Free. No poor immigrant is paying rent, food, transport, insurance and medical insurance at $600/mo you lying Stain.

 

[initforme]

Why should we? Let the free market decide. I paid for Group Plan Healthcare forever at my jobs. They used to offer cheap catastrophic for young who dont need it, pre-Obiden 1.0.

Now? Its $10K deductibles at $600/mo per person PPO any doctor type. You pay per visit also. $100?

Why should full time employed workers have a deductible?

 

[leftwinger]

certainly one major illness from bankruptcy.

Too bad. People get sick and die. Not my problem to string the along 9 extra months at $5million dollars a month.

 

[berg80]

Do any of you Democrat Socialists crying about “people’s premiums will double!!!” realize just how extensive the temporary expansion of Ocare subsidies have been?!

A wealthy family of five earning $500,000 get $8,000 in subsidies a year. And a very affluent family of five earning $350,000 year get $21,000 a year. Did you all know that?

And why? Because Obamacare drove costs up so much that health insurance costs a family of five $50,000 a year!
This shows what an abject failure Obamacare is. Obama created a system so unaffordable that everyone needs government welfare to afford it. And that was by intent.

With a debt of $37 trillion, it is past time to stop the trillion dollars it costs to prop up this new welfare program. The subsidies should revert to pre-COVID levels.

(page 6 shows how families earning $500,000 get subsidies.)

https://waysandmeans.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Ways-and-Means-testimony-3.21-FINAL-Blase.pdf

I have a friend who earns over $800K a year. He gets all his healthcare from the government for free plus they send a car to his house to drive him to work.