Democrats want families earning $500,000 to keep getting Obamacare subsidies!

[Lisa558]

You really think there's someone out there making 500K a year and applying for an ACA Plan?

You know, instead of using their employer's insurance.

Here's something I have a little firsthand knowledge of. Mrs. B131, before I married her, was getting an ACA plan, which required her to pay very little. However, when we got married, her income was added to my income. Even though she ended her program the minute we got married, and joined my work insurance, they decided to recalculate her eligibility at our combined income (Which was just a little over six figures, but not much.) and claw back all the subsidy money they had given her.

So this whole claim sounds like Republican Bullshit(TM).

Business owners or consultants getting $500,000 a year - some government contractors make that - don’t have employer plans.

And as far as “clawing back” the subsidies, that is fair: they were giving your wife welfare on the basis of a low income projected for the year, and then she married you (poor girl) and her income shot up. Why should taxpayers not get their money back?

 

[merrill]

Do any of you Democrat Socialists crying about “people’s premiums will double!!!” realize just how extensive the temporary expansion of Ocare subsidies have been?!

A wealthy family of five earning $500,000 get $8,000 in subsidies a year. And a very affluent family of five earning $350,000 year get $21,000 a year. Did you all know that?

And why? Because Obamacare drove costs up so much that health insurance costs a family of five $50,000 a year!
This shows what an abject failure Obamacare is. Obama created a system so unaffordable that everyone needs government welfare to afford it. And that was by intent.

With a debt of $37 trillion, it is past time to stop the trillion dollars it costs to prop up this new welfare program. The subsidies should revert to pre-COVID levels.

(page 6 shows how families earning $500,000 get subsidies.)

https://waysandmeans.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Ways-and-Means-testimony-3.21-FINAL-Blase.pdf

Bring up some proof not right wing political rhetoric. and lies ........show some hard evidence. The repubs love you because you are easy to manipulate.

 

[Lisa558]

And by the way, you may want to look into the background of the "Paragon Health Institute", who wrote this "report".

They're funded by...

... well, look it up. Or don't.

He still testified under oath to Congress.

 

[Lisa558]

Bring up some proof not right wing political rhetoric. and lies ........show some hard evidence. The repubs love you because you are easy to manipulate.

I did. The evidence is testimony to Congress.

 

[j-mac]

Well, no, what is real is how the system actually works. My wife lost a subsidy by getting married to a guy who made more money than she did, and they did it retroactively. (Ironically, if we had married on New Year's Day, we wouldn't have had a problem. Not that we are going to do a do-over).

So you have this bullshit claim about rich families getting subsidies, which turns out to be the bullshit it sounded like.

Do you believe when y’all got married she should have continued to get subsidized health insurance?

I would rather bring it in through the front door, but here's a better question - why are you so horrified at the thought of poor people getting health care?

So, you admit that’s what’s going on here…?

 

[SeaMajor7]

Yeah. It's funny how the first thing totalitarians do is to accuse their adversaries of being totalitarians.

They are masters of PROJECTION.
A subsidiary of GASLIGHT THEATRE INC.
The Marxist demented LEFT lie like normal people BREATHE.

 

[hadit]

I would rather have my health care come from a government I can vote out if they don't deliver than an insurance company I have no say in.

So let's be clear on this. Obama WANTED a public option and a Medicare Buy-in for people over 55. That was shot down by the Republicans and Joe Lieberman (who only thought that Israelis deserve socialized medicine on the US taxpayers' dime, not Americans!)

Insurance subsidies were a Republican idea, which Obama went along with. And now you are complaining because poor people are getting stuff you think they shouldn't have.

Funny thing, the current subsidies were put in place by DEMOCRATS who added a sunset provision to them because they were supposed to be TEMPORARY because Covid. We were told how wonderful obamadon'tcare was BEFORE the subsidies were added and now we're being told by the same people that it would be catastrophic to go back to the way it was.

 

[merrill]

Republicans don't have a plan not in the last 42 Years. Yes Obamacare is still too expensive.

The transition to Full Coverage Single Payer Health Insurance would apply the savings from costly administration and profits to expanded and improved Full Coverage Single payer—or Medicare for All—is simply a streamlined financing mechanism where one entity administers the health care funding and payments.

Top 10 Reasons For Enacting a Single Payer Healthcare System WHICH provides the healthiest population in the world. Most countries in the world have this.

Top 10 Reasons For Enacting a Single Payer Healthcare System

Which covers:

prescription drugs

hospital

surgical

outpatient services

primary and preventive care

emergency services

dental

mental health

home health

physical therapy

rehabilitation (including for substance abuse)

vision care

chiropractic

long-term care.

For Enacting a Single Payer Healthcare System for ALL>

https://www.nationalnursesunited.org/to

Full Coverage Single Payer ends deductibles, co-payments and bankruptcy due to healthcare.


Full Coverage Single Payer would save billions annually by eliminating high overhead and profits of the private health insurance industry and HMOs.

 

[Lisa558]

Anyone notice that the leftists are screaming “so you don’t want poor people to get health insurance?!”

What a Strawman. It’s the same how they yell “racist” all the time,

NOBODY is saying poor people don’t get insurance. According to the original subsidy schedule, anyone earning under $60,000 gets a subsidy. So Obamacare - if it reverts to the original schedule, as planned - will cover lower-middle class (which is hardly “poor.”)

And remember: this expansion was supposed to be temporary because of COVID. Now the Dems want to keep it going so they will have everyone upper-middle class and below on a socialized health plan.

 

[Lisa558]

Republicans don't have a plan not in the last 42 Years. Yes Obamacare is still too expensive.

The transition to Full Coverage Single Payer Health Insurance would apply the savings from costly administration and profits to expanded and improved Full Coverage Single payer—or Medicare for All—is simply a streamlined financing mechanism where one entity administers the health care funding and payments.

Top 10 Reasons For Enacting a Single Payer Healthcare System WHICH provides the healthiest population in the world. Most countries in the world have this.

Top 10 Reasons For Enacting a Single Payer Healthcare System

Which covers:

prescription drugs

hospital

surgical

outpatient services

primary and preventive care

emergency services

dental

mental health

home health

physical therapy

rehabilitation (including for substance abuse)

vision care

chiropractic

long-term care.

For Enacting a Single Payer Healthcare System for ALL>

https://www.nationalnursesunited.org/to

Full Coverage Single Payer ends deductibles, co-payments and bankruptcy due to healthcare.


Full Coverage Single Payer would save billions annually by eliminating high overhead and profits of the private health insurance industry and HMOs.

So we’ll have a system like the NHS? Read about it.

All single-payer would be is Medicaid, expanded nationally, to 99% of voters. The rich elites would have their own plans.

Nothing the Dem Socialists would love more than to get everyone onto Medicaid.

 

[Lisa558]

Funny thing, the current subsidies were put in place by DEMOCRATS who added a sunset provision to them because they were supposed to be TEMPORARY because Covid. We were told how wonderful obamadon'tcare was BEFORE the subsidies were added and now we're being told by the same people that it would be catastrophic to go back to the way it was.

Yup. What they’re admitting is that Obamacare is such a disaster that we can’t go back to how it was pre-COVID.

 

[pknopp]

I support anything that expands health care coverage. Of course I'd also support taxes to pay for it all.

 

[todd down under]

It’s the same how they yell “racist” all the time,

Like the way you yell "anti-Semite!" all the time.

 

[cnm]

True. I was in college at that age, so covered under Dad’s plan, but upon graduation I got a job and bought my own insurance.

We should go back to “children” getting their own insurance once they are out of school.

What did you major in? Pulling the ladder up after you? That seems to be the standard Republican study.

 

[1srelluc]

Like the way you yell "anti-Semite!" all the time.

 

[initforme]

Yup. What they’re admitting is that Obamacare is such a disaster that we can’t go back to how it was pre-COVID.

People need to stop havng families. Theyre becoming unaffordable.

 

[todd down under]

I support anything that expands health care coverage.

I support people getting off their fat asses and eat some greens.

 

[cnm]

So we’ll have a system like the NHS? Read about it.

All single-payer would be is Medicaid, expanded nationally, to 99% of voters. The rich elites would have their own plans.

Nothing the Dem Socialists would love more than to get everyone onto Medicaid.

I've read about it. All the Americans who've actually used it can't say enough good things about it.

Rather than, like you, identify a sector of the population they're happy to deny health care in the US

 

[Blaster]

Democrats are the party of the lazy and corrupt.

 

[todd down under]

People need to stop havng families. Theyre becoming unaffordable.

wtf????