Democrats want families earning $500,000 to keep getting Obamacare subsidies!

[Delldude]

Nope, many don't so they pay full price or go without. Their choice.

Then why is there so much noise?

 

[Rawley]

I’m amazed that this dishonest thread is still up here

What's the dishonest part?

 

[Lisa558]

So entitled.

At first you wanted us to believe you couldn’t get care and now it’s just that you couldn’t get the “best” care.

Incredibly dishonest.

1. First, why shouldn’t I get the best care for a major life function? I did BEFORE Obamacare!

2. And second, “best” really should be “appropriate” care. Doctors not specializing in this function would not be qualified to do surgery.

3. You libs are crying and wailing that illegal aliens should get care, but you want AMERICANS to sacrifice care to give it to them?

4. I had a leftist neighbor who just what you did. She said that it’s worth it for me to give up the best care in order for other people to get ANY care.

But then when SHE needed a surgery for a very routine condition, she traveled out of state to a major medical hospital for it. When I told her that plenty of doctors could perform that surgery right here, she told me “I only want the best.”

So the libtard is OK with ME not getting the best care, but SHE demands it for herself. Typical hypocritical, selfish leftist.

 

[Marener]

1. First, why shouldn’t I get the best care for a major life function? I did BEFORE Obamacare!

2. And second, “best” really should be “appropriate” care. Doctors not specializing in this function would not be qualified to do surgery.

3. You libs are crying and wailing that illegal aliens should get care, but you want AMERICANS to sacrifice care to give it to them?

4. I had a leftist neighbor who just what you did. She said that it’s worth it for me to give up the best care in order for other people to get ANY care.

But then when SHE needed a surgery for a very routine condition, she traveled out of state to a major medical hospital for it. When I told her that plenty of doctors could perform that surgery right here, she told me “I only want the best.”

So the libtard is OK with ME not getting the best care, but SHE demands it for herself. Typical hypocritical, selfish leftist.

If you want the “best care” then go ahead and pay for it.

You’re not entitled to have anything you want be covered by insurance. That’s the exact kind of thinking that blows up medical costs and makes insurance way more expensive.

But again, this is about your lie that your condition wasn’t covered. It was. Just not the way you wanted.

 

[Lisa558]

If you want the “best care” then go ahead and pay for it.

You’re not entitled to have anything you want be covered by insurance. That’s the exact kind of thinking that blows up medical costs and makes insurance way more expensive.

But again, this is about your lie that your condition wasn’t covered. It was. Just not the way you wanted.

OMG! That’s what I had to do once Obamacare hit - I had to pay for it! And I did. I made sacrifices because the loss (or severe impairment) of this major life function would have been a disaster for the rest of my life.

But….Before Obamacare, I was covered for the best and appropriate care! I had a small co-pay. I had great insurance.

You’re such an infuriating leftist. I’m not “entitled” to get what I had before Obamacare, by virtue of the good insurance plan I had, but illegals and people who won’t work are “entitled” to FREE care?

I’m beginning to think you’re my neighbor: responsible, self-sufficient should be willing to risk a major life function in order for other people to get subsidized care - and then demand only the best when it comes to HER health!

The fact is, with the high deductibles, limited networks, and lack of specialists, Obamacare really isn’t health insurance. It’s a catastrophic care plan.

 

[Lisa558]

If you want the “best care” then go ahead and pay for it.

You’re not entitled to have anything you want be covered by insurance. That’s the exact kind of thinking that blows up medical costs and makes insurance way more expensive.

But again, this is about your lie that your condition wasn’t covered. It was. Just not the way you wanted.

And P.S. My condition was NOT covered with the Obamacare plan. I had to pay to see the specialist. There was nothing I lied about.

 

[Marener]

OMG! That’s what I had to do once Obamacare hit - I had to pay for it! And I did. I made sacrifices because the loss (or severe impairment) of this major life function would have been a disaster for the rest of my life.

But….Before Obamacare, I was covered for the best and appropriate care! I had a small co-pay.

You’re such an infuriating leftist. I’m not “entitled” to get what I had before Obamacare, by virtue of the good insurance plan I had, but illegals and people who won’t work are “entitled” to FREE care?

I’m beginning to think you’re my neighbor: responsible, self-sufficient should be willing to risk a major life function in order for other people to get subsidized care - and then demand the best when it comes to HER health!

You are undoubtedly one of the most entitled people I’ve ever interacted with.

That kind of entitlement is exactly what makes healthcare so expensive, not the ACA.

 

[Marener]

And P.S. My condition was NOT covered with the Obamacare plan. I had to pay to see the specialist. There was nothing I lied about.

There’s no chance your plan didn’t have a doctor who could treat your condition.

But they weren’t “the best” so it doesn’t count to you because you’re entitled.

 

[Lisa558]

You are undoubtedly one of the most entitled people I’ve ever interacted with.

That kind of entitlement is exactly what makes healthcare so expensive, not the ACA.

You are one of the most ignorant, stupid leftists I’ve ever interacted with.

You’re arguing with a responsible, self-sufficient woman who could no longer get a specialist required to treat her condition once Obamacare hit - when I PREVIOUSLY did.

The kind of entitlement is thinking the people in households with $150,000 income are entitled to taxpayer subsidies, or that illegal aliens are entitled to go to the ER for their sore throats and boo-boos.

The point is that Obamacare hurt MILLIONS of Americans. It was so horrible that Dems are now blackmailing Republicans NOT to go back to it - but to bail it out with a trillion rescue.

 

[Lisa558]

There’s no chance your plan didn’t have a doctor who could treat your condition.

But they weren’t “the best” so it doesn’t count to you because you’re entitled.

I’m telling you no doctor NOT A QUACK would be willing to treat my condition if he hadn’t specialized in it. It would be unethical, and perhaps even illegal.

Would you be willing to have a brain surgeon do a cardiac bypass? Would a reputable brain surgeon even AGREE to do it?

You really don’t know what the hell you're talking about. Just more upside-down leftist thinking.

 

[Marener]

You are one of the most ignorant, stupid leftists I’ve ever interacted with.

You’re arguing with a responsible, self-sufficient woman who could no longer get a specialist required to treat her condition once Obamacare hit - when I PREVIOUSLY did.

The kind of entitlement is thinking the people in households with $150,000 income are entitled to taxpayer subsidies, or that illegal aliens are entitled to go to the ER for their sore throats and boo-boos.

The point is that Obamacare hurt MILLIONS of Americans. It was so horrible that Dems are now blackmailing Republicans NOT to go back to it - but to bail it out with a trillion rescue.

You could have gotten care under your insurance, but it wasn’t good enough for you.

Because you’re entitled.

Next time get a plan with your special doctor in network or pay for it out of pocket.

Either way, it’s your responsibility.

 

[Frankenstein]

Do any of you Democrat Socialists crying about “people’s premiums will double!!!” realize just how extensive the temporary expansion of Ocare subsidies have been?!

A wealthy family of five earning $500,000 get $8,000 in subsidies a year. And a very affluent family of five earning $350,000 year get $21,000 a year. Did you all know that?

And why? Because Obamacare drove costs up so much that health insurance costs a family of five $50,000 a year!
This shows what an abject failure Obamacare is. Obama created a system so unaffordable that everyone needs government welfare to afford it. And that was by intent.

With a debt of $37 trillion, it is past time to stop the trillion dollars it costs to prop up this new welfare program. The subsidies should revert to pre-COVID levels.

(page 6 shows how families earning $500,000 get subsidies.)

https://waysandmeans.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Ways-and-Means-testimony-3.21-FINAL-Blase.pdf

Just got my new insurance update for the year went up 2.5 %

 

[Lisa558]

You could have gotten care under your insurance, but it wasn’t good enough for you.

Because you’re entitled.

Next time get a plan with your special doctor in network or pay for it out of pocket.

Either way, it’s your responsibility.

OMFG! NO I COULD NOT.

And pay for it out of pocket? Why don’t you tell the people demanding extended subsidies to forget having other people subsidize their health care and just pay for it out of pocket?

I’m done with you. You’re too much of an upside-down idiot leftist.

 

[debbiedowner]

Then why is there so much noise?

I suspect many don't know what all the noise is about.

It has an affect on all the rates on or off exchanges. The enhanced subsidies not only allowed for income earners up to 600% of FPL or right around there and it was just 400%. It also gave the ones under 400% of FPL a little more subsidy.

So far for ones not receiving any subsidy and on plans of exchange the rate increases have been anywhere from 27% to 48%. This is in Florida, don't know about other state insurance company plans. Each state and each county in a state will be different.

I personally don't care if the expanded expire. I can remember only telling one of my clients over 400% in the past 4 years anything about them. But that one did not qualify anyway. I told no one else because I knew at the end they would get hit a lot worse than they are going to get hit.

The only reason I even respond is I see something someone post that is not true but lies they've been fed. I wouldn't care if they went back to the underwriting days tomorrow. Might be a little cheaper but you have to account for inflation and provider wanting raises in the 11 years.

 

[Delldude]

There’s no chance your plan didn’t have a doctor who could treat your conditio

"For all of these reasons, PolitiFact has named 'If you like your health care plan, you can keep it,' the Lie of the Year for 2013. Readers in a separate online poll overwhelmingly agreed with the choice."

 

[debbiedowner]

And P.S. My condition was NOT covered with the Obamacare plan. I had to pay to see the specialist. There was nothing I lied about.

Again, under obamacare all conditions were covered. Some provider just lied to you.

 

[Marener]

OMFG! NO I COULD NOT.

I just don’t believe you.

 

[Lisa558]

Just got my new insurance update for the year went up 2.5 %

I’m not sure what’s going to happen with Medicare. The increase will probably wipe out half of the COL increase on the SS payments.

I read the average SS increase will be $54 a year. If Medicare goes up by $25, seniors will get only $29 more a month.

 

[Rawley]

Just got my new insurance update for the year went up 2.5 %

Hold it. We were told premiums were going to double.

 

[Lisa558]

I just don’t believe you.

That’s what leftists do: when they can’t admit how harmful their policies are to many Americans, they yell “liar”!