Democrats Never Met A Communist....

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Add in the communist spin-offs in China, Cambodia, Cuba, Viet Nam, etc., and the number goes well beyond 100 million mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, lives counted as less important than the victory of communism.

So you imagine it was communist bombs that turned Vietnam and Cambodia into graveyards?

"President Nixon and his National Security Adviser, Henry Kissinger, discuss North Vietnamese sanctuaries and supply routes in the neutral border country of Cambodia. General Creighton Abrams, the US military commander in South Vietnam, wants those sites bombed, regardless of the fact that military strikes against locations in a neutral country would be flagrant violations of international laws and treaties."

Operation Menu

High five.
Poor PC. She gets bitched slapped so easily, but I gotta' hand it to her, she gets right back up again.

 

[Vigilante]

Socialism is what keeps Communism at bay. You should learn to appreciate it. Communist revolutions don't spring from socialist countries;

they happen most often in nations where the tyranny of the rich has oppressed the poor to unbearable levels.

Democratic socialism alleviates that oppression.

Well we finally got them admitting they're socialist lovers and not capitalists.

Do you think that's a big gotcha? I support Democratic socialism as a check to rampant exploitative capitalism.

Most sane people do.

Ah, Capitalism.... the Commies MOST DREADED word! You certainly have shown your TRUE COLORS in this thread, NYCommie!

 

[NYcarbineer]

Skulls of victims of the Khmer Rouge regime in Cambodia.

How did the Khmer Rouge seize power in Cambodia?
"The relationship between the massive carpet bombing of Cambodia by the United States and the growth of the Khmer Rouge, in terms of recruitment and popular support, has been a matter of interest to historians.

"Some historians have cited the U.S. intervention and bombing campaign (spanning 1965–1973) as a significant factor leading to increased support of the Khmer Rouge among the Cambodian peasantry.[41]

"However, Pol Pot biographer David P. Chandler argues that the bombing 'had the effect the Americans wanted – it broke the Communist encirclement of Phnom Penh'.[42][43]

"Peter Rodman and Michael Lind claimed that the US intervention saved Cambodia from collapse in 1970 and 1973.[44][45]

"Craig Etcheson agreed that it was 'untenable' to assert that US intervention caused the Khmer Rouge victory while acknowledging that it may have played a small role in boosting recruitment for the insurgents.[46]

"William Shawcross, however, wrote that the US bombing and ground incursion plunged Cambodia into the chaos that Sihanouk had worked for years to avoid."
The same way IS took control of Mosul??
Khmer Rouge - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

1. In the movie “The Killing Fields,” the first half leaves one with the impression that the United States was ultimately to blame for the fate that befell Cambodia by bringing Cambodia into the Indochina war, destroying its neutrality, and bombing to the extent that it drove the Khmer Rouge to the horrors that developed. The actuality is that it was North Vietnam that widened the war, not the United States. It was before 1965 that Hanoi created the Khmer Rouge (as early as WWII) and the Pathet Lao (mid ‘50’s) with the goal of conquering all of Indochina for communism.
   1. In “Sideshow,” William Shawcross claims that the 1970 bombings caused the coup in which Prince Sihanouk was by Lon Nol. But this adumbrates the issues, as Sihanouk attempted to be too clever, allowing the Vietnamese to invade his country, and then telling Kissinger he could bomb them.
   2. The North Vietnamese were getting support from the Soviet Union and China, determined to support wars of “national liberation.”

Now for your error re: Shawcross-

c. In 1994, Shawcross acknowledged his error: “Those of us who opposed the American war in Indochina should be extremely humble in the face of the appalling aftermath: a form of genocide in Cambodia and horrific tyranny in both Vietnam and Laos. Looking back on my own coverage for The Sunday Times...,I think I concentrated too easily on the corruption and incompetence of the South Vietnamese and their American allies, was too ignorant of the inhuman Hanoi regime, and far too willing to believe that a victory by the Communists would provide a better future. But after the Communist victory came the refugees to Thailand and the floods of boat people desperately seeking to escape the Cambodian killing fields and the Vietnamese gulags. Their eloquent testimony should have put paid to all illusions.”
Wiliam Shaw Cross I m William Cross

So how many more American lives would you have been willing to see spent in Southeast Asia fighting over issues that had nothing to do with our national security or vital interests?

And here, a return performance at open mic night....the NYLiar!

His act includes only two tricks:

Trick #1....lies

Trick #2....obfuscation and changing the subject.


Today it's Trick #2 on display:
"So how many more American lives would you have been willing to see spent in Southeast Asia fighting over issues that had nothing to do with our national security or vital interests?"

Why don't you man up and take a position once in awhile.

Should we have stayed in SE Asia longer or not? Yes or no

Should we have fought in Laos, Cambodia, etc. or not? Yes or no.

 

[konradv]

How do you explain that it's the right that's been kissing Putin's butt on a regular basis?

 

[Vigilante]

Add in the communist spin-offs in China, Cambodia, Cuba, Viet Nam, etc., and the number goes well beyond 100 million mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, lives counted as less important than the victory of communism.

So you imagine it was communist bombs that turned Vietnam and Cambodia into graveyards?

"President Nixon and his National Security Adviser, Henry Kissinger, discuss North Vietnamese sanctuaries and supply routes in the neutral border country of Cambodia. General Creighton Abrams, the US military commander in South Vietnam, wants those sites bombed, regardless of the fact that military strikes against locations in a neutral country would be flagrant violations of international laws and treaties."

Operation Menu

High five.
Poor PC. She gets bitched slapped so easily, but I gotta' hand it to her, she gets right back up again.

AND THE SCUM SPEAKS WHILE LAYING ON THE FLOOR...YOU COMMIES DO MAKE EXCELLENT DOOR MATS!

 

[PoliticalChic]

The ONCE head Communist in the world, just smacked you down from his grave...

Where's the Soviet Union now?

THANK YOU REPUBLICAN EXTREMIST...PRESIDENT RONALDO MAGMUS!

My GOD, you really are this stupid...a TRUE communist trait!

Reagan had nothing to do with it.

And NOW the LIES!

The Soviet Union collapsed because totalitarian Communism is fatally flawed.

You betcha'!!!


If only it had followed these simple rules: individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.


Unfortunately, the same fate may await the United States for the same reason.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Add in the communist spin-offs in China, Cambodia, Cuba, Viet Nam, etc., and the number goes well beyond 100 million mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, lives counted as less important than the victory of communism.

So you imagine it was communist bombs that turned Vietnam and Cambodia into graveyards?

"President Nixon and his National Security Adviser, Henry Kissinger, discuss North Vietnamese sanctuaries and supply routes in the neutral border country of Cambodia. General Creighton Abrams, the US military commander in South Vietnam, wants those sites bombed, regardless of the fact that military strikes against locations in a neutral country would be flagrant violations of international laws and treaties."

Operation Menu

High five.
Poor PC. She gets bitched slapped so easily, but I gotta' hand it to her, she gets right back up again.

Like the old inflatable Bozo the Clown punching bags with the weight in the bottom.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

He was WAY AHEAD of the curve...

Pubies are good about one thing....keeping a persistent and consistent narrative of fear in their bullshit rhetoric.

Tell us how you are not free. Not a cartoon, clown. An answer.

 

[mudwhistle]

Add in the communist spin-offs in China, Cambodia, Cuba, Viet Nam, etc., and the number goes well beyond 100 million mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, lives counted as less important than the victory of communism.

So you imagine it was communist bombs that turned Vietnam and Cambodia into graveyards?

"President Nixon and his National Security Adviser, Henry Kissinger, discuss North Vietnamese sanctuaries and supply routes in the neutral border country of Cambodia. General Creighton Abrams, the US military commander in South Vietnam, wants those sites bombed, regardless of the fact that military strikes against locations in a neutral country would be flagrant violations of international laws and treaties."

Operation Menu

I guess you forgot about the killing-field of the Khmer Rouge Khmer Rouge - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The organization is remembered especially for orchestrating the Cambodian genocide, which resulted from the enforcement of its social engineering policies.[1] Its attempts at agricultural reform led to widespread famine, while its insistence on absolute self-sufficiency, even in the supply of medicine, led to the death of thousands from treatable diseases such as malaria. Arbitrary executions and torture carried out by its cadres against perceived subversive elements, or during purges of its own ranks between 1975 and 1978, are considered to have constituted genocide.[2]​

 

[NYcarbineer]

Where's the Soviet Union now?

THANK YOU REPUBLICAN EXTREMIST...PRESIDENT RONALDO MAGMUS!

My GOD, you really are this stupid...a TRUE communist trait!

Reagan had nothing to do with it.

And NOW the LIES!

The Soviet Union collapsed because totalitarian Communism is fatally flawed.

You betcha'!!!


If only it had followed these simple rules: individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.


Unfortunately, the same fate may await the United States for the same reason.

So now you're over to 'Reagan had nothing to do with it'.

lol

 

[AvgGuyIA]

And what was the point of our being in Vietnam in the first place?

To ensure the uninterrupted supply of the material needed to manufacture condoms.

 

[eagle1462010]

Skulls of victims of the Khmer Rouge regime in Cambodia.

How did the Khmer Rouge seize power in Cambodia?
"The relationship between the massive carpet bombing of Cambodia by the United States and the growth of the Khmer Rouge, in terms of recruitment and popular support, has been a matter of interest to historians.

"Some historians have cited the U.S. intervention and bombing campaign (spanning 1965–1973) as a significant factor leading to increased support of the Khmer Rouge among the Cambodian peasantry.[41]

"However, Pol Pot biographer David P. Chandler argues that the bombing 'had the effect the Americans wanted – it broke the Communist encirclement of Phnom Penh'.[42][43]

"Peter Rodman and Michael Lind claimed that the US intervention saved Cambodia from collapse in 1970 and 1973.[44][45]

"Craig Etcheson agreed that it was 'untenable' to assert that US intervention caused the Khmer Rouge victory while acknowledging that it may have played a small role in boosting recruitment for the insurgents.[46]

"William Shawcross, however, wrote that the US bombing and ground incursion plunged Cambodia into the chaos that Sihanouk had worked for years to avoid."
The same way IS took control of Mosul??
Khmer Rouge - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Again we were at WAR..............the Cambodians were supplying the enemy with weapons, food and more.............

In a WAR a KEY MILITARY STRATEGY is to hit the enemies supply lines......................The supply lines were there..................So we hit them.....................

Even with this, we again failed to fight it as a War..................had we driven our armies in MASS into North Vietnam they couldn't have stopped us..................instead we fought THEIR WAR and not ours...................

While the outcome due to Ideology may not have changed, all of VIETNAM would have fallen to our forces and the supply lines cut to ribbons................

At best, the North only had half the numbers we had there...........TET was MILITARILY A FAILURE as the North lost a lot of troops................

They sacrificed their men in a hopeless endeavor for POLITICAL REASONS............to get the American public to DEMAND that we leave.................and it WORKED................as the PC CULTURE refused to fight it as a WAR.....................

Another example of how politicians lose WARS..............

Same as the 1st Gulf WAR when we didn't finish Saddam off when we had a half a million forces at his doorstep.

And what was the point of our being in Vietnam in the first place?

Stop the spread of Communism in the COLD WAR atmosphere.......................

We were fighting the spread around the globe with support for or direct involvement as it was the deal of the day...............Just as the communist nations like China were doing the same.............Just as the USSR were invading for land...........and building walls to cage in their own people.

Whether or not going to War in Vietnam was the right move or not...............isn't the issue...........it's once you go to War you FIGHT TO WIN IT..............and not play POLITICS with strategies on the battlefield.............which is why it went the way it did..................

What we'd have done with it afterwards is a different equation............as who knows the outcome, but can only assume that they would continue to attack via Guerrilla Warfare even after we took the ground............but they'd have had a hell of a lot more trouble supplying it.....................

Going in to Vietnam was a mistake to me...............I agree with that..............once in though we should have fought it AS A WAR and took the whole country...........but PC BS forced the military to fight it on the enemies terms..................as PC CULTURE IS BS in ITSELF....................

 

[PoliticalChic]

How do you explain that it's the right that's been kissing Putin's butt on a regular basis?

 

[Vigilante]

He was WAY AHEAD of the curve...

Pubies are good about one thing....keeping a persistent and consistent narrative of fear in their bullshit rhetoric.

Tell us how you are not free. Not a cartoon, clown. An answer.

NAW, TOO EASY DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY, WITH PICTURES EVEN YOU SCUM CAN UNDERSTAND!

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Where's the Soviet Union now?

THANK YOU REPUBLICAN EXTREMIST...PRESIDENT RONALDO MAGMUS!

My GOD, you really are this stupid...a TRUE communist trait!

Reagan had nothing to do with it.

And NOW the LIES!

The Soviet Union collapsed because totalitarian Communism is fatally flawed.

You betcha'!!!


If only it had followed these simple rules: individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.


Unfortunately, the same fate may await the United States for the same reason.

Want to unpack that and give us the scenario in specific details or just keep blowing pixelated methane?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Where's the Soviet Union now?

THANK YOU REPUBLICAN EXTREMIST...PRESIDENT RONALDO MAGMUS!

My GOD, you really are this stupid...a TRUE communist trait!

Reagan had nothing to do with it.

And NOW the LIES!

The Soviet Union collapsed because totalitarian Communism is fatally flawed.

You betcha'!!!


If only it had followed these simple rules: individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.


Unfortunately, the same fate may await the United States for the same reason.

Reagan saved Social Security, remember? One of the top three best examples of Socialism in America?

lol, you people need to wake up and grow up.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

He was WAY AHEAD of the curve...

Pubies are good about one thing....keeping a persistent and consistent narrative of fear in their bullshit rhetoric.

Tell us how you are not free. Not a cartoon, clown. An answer.

NAW, TOO EASY DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY, WITH PICTURES EVEN YOU SCUM CAN UNDERSTAND!

Oh, Vaginitis is threatened with having to think so he comes up with a bigger cartoon.....

 

[Vigilante]

THANK YOU REPUBLICAN EXTREMIST...PRESIDENT RONALDO MAGMUS!

My GOD, you really are this stupid...a TRUE communist trait!

Reagan had nothing to do with it.

And NOW the LIES!

The Soviet Union collapsed because totalitarian Communism is fatally flawed.

You betcha'!!!


If only it had followed these simple rules: individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.


Unfortunately, the same fate may await the United States for the same reason.

Reagan saved Social Security, remember? One of the top three best examples of Socialism in America?

lol, you people need to wake up and grow up.

Shouldn't YOU be applauding him then?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Reagan had nothing to do with it.

And NOW the LIES!

The Soviet Union collapsed because totalitarian Communism is fatally flawed.

You betcha'!!!


If only it had followed these simple rules: individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.


Unfortunately, the same fate may await the United States for the same reason.

Reagan saved Social Security, remember? One of the top three best examples of Socialism in America?

lol, you people need to wake up and grow up.

Shouldn't YOU be applauding him then?

I do, for that.

Shouldn't you be calling him a Communist bent on destroying America, fuckwit?

 

[Vigilante]

He was WAY AHEAD of the curve...

Pubies are good about one thing....keeping a persistent and consistent narrative of fear in their bullshit rhetoric.

Tell us how you are not free. Not a cartoon, clown. An answer.

NAW, TOO EASY DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY, WITH PICTURES EVEN YOU SCUM CAN UNDERSTAND!

Oh, Vaginitis is threatened with having to think so he comes up with a bigger cartoon.....

Naw, just laughing at an absolute asshole, that you are!