Democrats have an enormous dilemma if Kamala Harris loses

[ZestolPastilevsky]

Yes, exactly, and that is why we are slowly moving away from what made our country the greatest and most powerful in the world.

People become wiser and more conservative with age. That is not even in question. Just how wise and conservative they become depends on their starting point. That starting point has been moved left by progressivism. A far-left kid will likely move right(more Conservative) but it doesn’t mean they will end up on the right side of the political spectrum. A far-right kid is very likely to stay and even more further right with age and wisdom. Thanks to public education/indoctrination in the US, the starting point for kids is far-left. That is increasing the number of adults who remain on the left side of the spectrum their entire lives.

Why the push against more conservative values around the world you ask? It is much easier and more “fun” to live in a world with less moral accountability.

Well, in any case, my point is that in the future, I think Democrats will enjoy an overwhelming advantage because of the, "starting point" of these young people. HOWEVER, this recent election result may change that, as this was neither a typical election, nor a typical election outcome.

 

[Lisa558]

Well, in any case, my point is that in the future, I think Democrats will enjoy an overwhelming advantage because of the, "starting point" of these young people. HOWEVER, this recent election result may change that, as this was neither a typical election, nor a typical election outcome.

I saw a survey that 46% of young voters went for Trump. Encouraging news indeed.

 

[DBA]

Well, in any case, my point is that in the future, I think Democrats will enjoy an overwhelming advantage because of the, "starting point" of these young people. HOWEVER, this recent election result may change that, as this was neither a typical election, nor a typical election outcome.

Yes, we can only hope that the starting point begins to change and shift our path. Getting rid of the Department of Education would be a great start. It would allow all that red on the map to educated their kids the way they see fit instead of being (mis)guided by a far-left federal entity.

 

[JoeB131]

Like I have said many times. You act as if Southern states don’t have successful people. You just don’t know what you are talking about. In fact, if success if measured by standard of living, there are many more successful people in my state than in large urban areas. An engineer working for ACME Co. is making 250k living in Manhatten while a fellow engineer in the same position is making 125K living in a smaller town in the South. The 250k engineer doesn’t have as good of a standard of living.

Again, your argument is meaningless. There are people in third world countries who are making good money, but they still live in third world countries.

The very fact you won't state what state you live in says a lot. because you know I'll pop right into Google and find the states about how poor and miserable the vast majority of people in your state really are.

Ok, then you are voting for the right party. Progressives are anti-Israel.

The world is anti-Zionist. The only thing keeping them afloat are Funditarded Christians who think that Jews need to be in Palestine for Jesus to come back and destroy the world. That's some fucked up theology, yo!

The rest of the secular world and Muslims share that opinion. It is a an opinion based on factually incorrect information, but nonetheless, it is a opinion. Again, you are voting for the correct party for your values.

Actually, it's based on undeniable fact.

Is Israel Apartheid? Absolutely. Palestinians are under occupation with no political rights.
Is what they are doing in Gaza Genocide? Absolutely. The IDF is trying to destroy them as a national identity.

I believe it is largely nurture, not nature.

Then you really are stupid. Gay people are almost exclusively raised by straight people. One of my closest friends is a gay woman, but she was raised as a Jehovah's Witless. My Aunt was in the closet, despite her almost fanatical Catholic parents. But she was gay as the day was long.

That analogy would imply that COVID was Trump’s fault. There was no navigating away from the COVID iceberg.

Sure there was. Some countries did it pretty well. Take, for instance, Japan. Japan had a total of 75,000 Covid Deaths compared to our 1 million. And even that number was so high that the PM felt obligated to resign. So what did the Japanese do right? Pretty much the opposite of what Trump did. They shut everything down until protocols could be put into place. Everyone wore masks because they didn't have an orange goon refusing to wear a mask a political statement. So while the Trump Titanic slammed right into the iceberg full speed ahead, the Japanese Titanic barely got the paint scraped.

Trump threw out the Obama Pandemic response program
He disbanded the Pandemic Response team
He held mass spreader events like the one that killed Herman Cain.
He called Covid a Hoax
He told people it would clear up by Easter, and then it would clear up by Summer
He promoted quacks like Scott Atlas and Dr. Oz giving crank advice
He promoted quack cures like Hydrochloroquine and Intervecmin (Funny, he didn't use them when he caught Covid. I wonder why!)
He cheered on lunatics showing up at the state capitols with guns.

he not only hit the iceberg, he circled around and rammed it a couple more times.

People become wiser and more conservative with age. That is not even in question. Just how wise and conservative they become depends on their starting point. That starting point has been moved left by progressivism. A far-left kid will likely move right(more Conservative) but it doesn’t mean they will end up on the right side of the political spectrum. A far-right kid is very likely to stay and even more further right with age and wisdom. Thanks to public education/indoctrination in the US, the starting point for kids is far-left. That is increasing the number of adults who remain on the left side of the spectrum their entire lives.

Again, I started out being very conservative when I was young (Strict Catholic upbringing, being in the military) and kind of turned liberal as I see what 40 years of Plutocracy has done to this country.

I would LOVE to have what we had in the 1970's, a strong middle class of unionized workers. Republicans fucked that up, but dumb ass white people let them do it because they were afraid of the blacks and the gays.

 

[JoeB131]

And did Jesus hate on Jews, like you do?

Absolutely. Read the Gospel of John some time.

The bible is pretty clear. The Jews killed Jesus. Pontius Pilate wanted to let him go. When the Nazis were tossing them into the Ovens, they wore belt buckles that said "Gott Mit Uns" (That's"God's with us") Then the whole world felt a sad about the Holocaust, and the Vatican tried to claim the Bible doesn't say what it obviously says.

Now, I don't think Jesus actually existed, but that's another issue. As a fictional character, the people who created him most certainly had contempt for Jews.

And more contempt for the white man. I have a lot more respect for the white working class family living in a trailer than a black woman with five kids on welfare. Why no disdain for the latter? Why more contempt for the white guy with a job?

Oh, because the guy in the trailer park keeps voting to screw himself. The ironic thing is that guy in the trailer park is just as dependent on government as the welfare mom you seem to think wants your money.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes, we can only hope that the starting point begins to change and shift our path. Getting rid of the Department of Education would be a great start. It would allow all that red on the map to educated their kids the way they see fit instead of being (mis)guided by a far-left federal entity.

"We don't dun need us no edu-ma-cation in Jesus-land!"

41% of Americans believe that humans and dinosaurs co-existed.

I think that should tell you all you need to know about education in the red areas.

Flintstone facts? 41 percent of Americans say people and dinosaurs co-existed

Riding a Brontosaurus bareback might not be a fantasy. It could be history, depending on who you ask.

www.cnet.com

 

[DBA]

There is no rational reason why anyone would vote for Trump.

There are plenty. Higher taxes? No thank you. Open borders? No thank you. Can't tell the difference between a man and a woman? No thank you.

There are plenty more, but that should get you started.

Again, your argument is meaningless. There are people in third world countries who are making good money, but they still live in third world countries.

The South is not a third world country you idiot. Why would people build multi-million dollar homes in third world countries? We have plenty of them, in fact, one just sold with 17 acres up the road from me for 6 million. On the lakes, they are going for upwards of 12 mil. This is in my little ole' state where the cost of living in much lower. This isn't like getting a home in or near downtown Chicago for 12 million. These are VERY nice homes that far exceed anything that could be had in Chicago for the same money. Not even close.

The world is anti-Zionist. The only thing keeping them afloat are Funditarded Christians who think that Jews need to be in Palestine for Jesus to come back and destroy the world. That's some fucked up theology, yo!

You sound like a 12-year old and have the mind of one as well.

Is Israel Apartheid? Absolutely. Palestinians are under occupation with no political rights.
Is what they are doing in Gaza Genocide? Absolutely. The IDF is trying to destroy them as a national identity.

Maybe you don't know the definition of genocide. If they wanted to commit genocide, it would have already been done. They wouldn't put so much effort in moving civilians out of the way. The only genocide they could be accused of would be to kill all terrorists. If you consider that genocide, then so be it.

Gay people are almost exclusively raised by straight people.

I guess you haven't noticed that the number of gay and gender confused people has risen in the last couple of decades. Has it ever dawned on your that bombarding kids with advertisements for gay and gender confused people is having an effect? It is all part of a plan. It is a plan that you are too brainwashed and, frankly, stupid, to see.

Again, I started out being very conservative when I was young (Strict Catholic upbringing, being in the military) and kind of turned liberal as I see what 40 years of Plutocracy has done to this country.

Yes, you have digressed. You are the anomaly. Most people wise up with age and become more conservative/Republican. That is an undeniable fact. You seem to believe that you, the exception to the rule, is the one that is forging the right path. Sorry to break it to you, but being around all the meathead liberals in Chicago has dumbed you down. That is the reality.

Now, I don't think Jesus actually existed, but that's another issue.

Yeah, that is just plain dumb. You may believe he was just a prophet and not the Son of God, but to say he never existed is ignorant to the nth degree.

Oh, because the guy in the trailer park keeps voting to screw himself.

Or maybe the poor folks, who are in fact majority Democrat, that continue to vote Democrat are screwing themselves. Has that every dawned on you.

 

[JoeB131]

There are plenty. Higher taxes? No thank you. Open borders? No thank you. Can't tell the difference between a man and a woman? No thank you.

There are plenty more, but that should get you started.

You really think 36 Trillion in debt is better than taxes on the rich? That's crazy.
We don't have open borders. We have a broken immigration system that causes illegal immigration.
You've probably seen transgender people and never knew it. Why does that bother you?

The South is not a third world country you idiot.

Only because it's part of the US and the rest of us are supporting it.

Why would people build multi-million dollar homes in third world countries?

So they can feel better than the peasants.

You sound like a 12-year old and have the mind of one as well.

your concession is duly noted.

Maybe you don't know the definition of genocide. If they wanted to commit genocide, it would have already been done. They wouldn't put so much effort in moving civilians out of the way. The only genocide they could be accused of would be to kill all terrorists. If you consider that genocide, then so be it.

That's kind of retarded. No genocide has completely eliminated a group. Heck, by your definition, Hitler didn't commit genocide because some Jews survived. Logic isn't your strong suit.

Here's the How the UN defines Genocide.
The United Nations defines genocide as the intentional destruction of a national, racial, religious, or ethnic group, in whole or in part. This can include:

• Killing members of the group
  Causing serious mental or physical harm to members of the group
  Deliberately creating conditions that will lead to the group's physical destruction
  
  
  
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I guess you haven't noticed that the number of gay and gender confused people has risen in the last couple of decades. Has it ever dawned on your that bombarding kids with advertisements for gay and gender confused people is having an effect? It is all part of a plan. It is a plan that you are too brainwashed and, frankly, stupid, to see.

This is where you are confused. We don't have any more gay or trans people now than we did 40 years ago. It's just that they feel freer to be out. My Aunt was gay. But she conformed to what her Catholic Community expected of her. She got married to a man, got separated a year later, and she had a female friend she saw on a regular basis.

I knew a captain in the IL NG. Today she calls herself "Jennifer". Was she "brainwashed"? Or did she just feel comfortable enough to be out?

Yes, you have digressed. You are the anomaly. Most people wise up with age and become more conservative/Republican. That is an undeniable fact. You seem to believe that you, the exception to the rule, is the one that is forging the right path. Sorry to break it to you, but being around all the meathead liberals in Chicago has dumbed you down. That is the reality.

I actually live in one of the suburbs... but let's be blunt. Every Republican President in my lifetime has brought us a recession. Some gave us two.

Yeah, that is just plain dumb. You may believe he was just a prophet and not the Son of God, but to say he never existed is ignorant to the nth degree.

Well, no the evidence for his existence is, at best, dubious. Quick, what day was he born? What day did he "die"? Most of the biographies of him don't appear until decades after his life, and they contradict each other. (Luke and Matthew place the time of Jesus' birth about 10 years apart.) There are few non-Christian sources about him, and many of them are questionable, like a later Christian Scribe fan-ficed him in.

Or maybe the poor folks, who are in fact majority Democrat, that continue to vote Democrat are screwing themselves. Has that every dawned on you.

Nope, not for a second. Everything that has demolished the middle class has been a brilliant Repuke idea. Busting Unions, Right to work, at-will employment. And of course, tax cuts for the rich that have caused the concentration of wealth in a few hands.

 

[para bellum]

I saw a survey that 46% of young voters went for Trump. Encouraging news indeed.

Yes, 47% according to the AP. That demographic was 36% in 2020.

Gen Z appears to be voting more conservative than the Gen Y/Millennials.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Yes, 47% according to the AP. That demographic was 36% in 2020.

Gen Z appears to be voting more conservative than the Gen Y/Millennials.

That's because Trump ran on policy issues, but the Democrats ran on nothing but hate Trump. Both sides engaged in negative campaigning, but the Democrats ran on nothing else.

 

[para bellum]

That's because Trump ran on policy issues, but the Democrats ran on nothing but hate Trump. Both sides engaged in negative campaigning, but the Democrats ran on nothing else.

I think it's more to do with the economy (not so much the campaigns). Young people getting out of school are facing high rents and high cost of living, expensive cars and high gas prices, and limited good paying jobs.

I think about when I was that age, just starting out. 1980 we were looking at high inflation and high prices relative to wages, I remember my first car loan had a 21% interest rate.

Pretty hard to have a positive outlook when you are facing that. I think kids today feel like they are in the same boat...

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

As long as democrats control the messenger, they’ll continue with their segregationist commie ways. Their opportunistic victim pimps won’t give up that clout so easily.
Media needs to be taken back and abolishing the department of indoctrination would be another good start.

 

[toomuchtime_]

I think it's more to do with the economy (not so much the campaigns). Young people getting out of school are facing high rents and high cost of living, expensive cars and high gas prices, and limited good paying jobs.

I think about when I was that age, just starting out. 1980 we were looking at high inflation and high prices relative to wages, I remember my first car loan had a 21% interest rate.

Pretty hard to have a positive outlook when you are facing that. I think kids today feel like they are in the same boat...

Yes, but why did voters not trust Democrats to fix inflation? Harris opened her campaign with the issue of rising prices for groceries, which we all know was the result of higher inflation during the Biden administration, but then attributed these rising prices to corporate price gouging and promised to roll prices back down. How could anyone believe anything she said after hearing these outrageous lies?

 

[para bellum]

Yes, but why did voters not trust Democrats to fix inflation? Harris opened her campaign with the issue of rising prices for groceries, which we all know was the result of higher inflation during the Biden administration, but then attributed these rising prices to corporate price gouging and promised to roll prices back down. How could anyone believe anything she said after hearing these outrageous lies?

I don't know if kids really analyze it like that. I think they heard the happy-talk about the economy from people who already had it made, and said "yeah, but what about me?"

They look at their life right now, and ask- who is most responsible for their situation, and who is best equipped to make it better? They didn't vote majority for Trump- many of them are deeply brainwashed by their education. But a lot of them did pick Trump, (I think) because they felt he would do a better job at improving their situation.

A lot of them also see the democrats as more of a pro-war party, and that doesn't help with the younger generations either...

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

How could anyone believe anything she said after hearing these outrageous lies?

By being incredibly stupid, i.e., democrat.

 

[theHawk]

Is Israel Apartheid? Absolutely. Palestinians are under occupation with no political rights.
Is what they are doing in Gaza Genocide? Absolutely. The IDF is trying to destroy them as a national identity

Wrong. They have the ability to govern themselves and elect their own government. They just choose to elect radical terrorists that want to destroy Israel and butcher Jews.

They’ve made these mess for themselves.

 

[JoeB131]

Wrong. They have the ability to govern themselves and elect their own government. They just choose to elect radical terrorists that want to destroy Israel and butcher Jews.

They’ve made these mess for themselves.

Obviously, they can't elect their own government if they don't have sovereignty, can they?

"You can have an election, but only if you pick people we like"

 

[theHawk]

Obviously, they can't elect their own government if they don't have sovereignty, can they?

"You can have an election, but only if you pick people we like"

BS. They are picking people that wage war against Israel. You expect Israelis to just let Hamas kill them?

 

[JoeB131]

BS. They are picking people that wage war against Israel. You expect Israelis to just let Hamas kill them?

Actually, if they were smart, they'd go back to Europe where they came from.

But I don't get worked up when religious idiots die.

 

[theHawk]

Actually, if they were smart, they'd go back to Europe where they came from.

But I don't get worked up when religious idiots die.

Odd, you seem to be worked up when the radical Muslims die.