Democrats face a catastrophic loss of power by 2030

[alang1216]

The reverse will happen. Its job cretors leavcing dencrats states and replaced by illegals 50% are on welfare

Illegals don't generally get welfare but their LEGAL, American-born children do. A 2026 analysis from the Cato Institute states that immigrants consume 24% fewer welfare benefits per capita than native-born Americans, and noncitizens 53% less.

Least we forget, TX and FL have very high numbers of undocumented.

 

[Winston]

I disagree I live in NC have since 1993 the only problem we have is the idiots keep voting in democrats as Governor.

Well, I have lived here my entire life and it sure as hell ain't what it used to be. I grew up in Granite Falls, what, population a few thousand. Wish I can take people back in a time machine. I mean damn, what a Socialist town it was. We had a community doctor, well two actually. One you paid, one you could go to for free, he was on salary from the mill but he would treat everyone.

I mean yes, it was a true mill town. And perhaps, by very nature, they are Socialist. But we had a first rate Community Center. Olympic pool with an Olympic diving area, one and three meter springboard. Multiple baseball and softball fields, indoor basketball courts, conference rooms, hell even pinball, pool tables, and foozeball. And no, this was not the YMCA. It was owned and operated by the CITY. It cost NOTHING to the residents.

And that was just it, it really was a community. Everyone participated in something. Softball was huge, other fields, again owned by the city, were spread all across the county. And just where did the city get all that money? The ABC store. Situated along Hwy 321 going into the mountains and a dry county, with dry counties all around, at that time, in that tiny town, it was the number one ABC store in the state.

 

[Hafar1014]

Illegals don't generally get welfare but their LEGAL, American-born children do. A 2026 analysis from the Cato Institute states that immigrants consume 24% fewer welfare benefits per capita than native-born Americans, and noncitizens 53% less.

Least we forget, TX and FL have very high numbers of undocumented.

50% of illegals are all on some form of welfare or government funded programs. Are you aware of Minn and the Somali fraud.

 

[Hafar1014]

So, if I understand you correctly, you're admitting that blue states with their laws and policies suck.

People arent fleeing because its a utopia

 

[Winston]

So, if I understand you correctly, you're admitting that blue states with their laws and policies suck.

No, the transplants all came to a progressive state that had the infrastructure put in place by Democrats. Take the Triangle area, research park was built by Democrats. Charlotte, a long time Democrat stronghold, is one of the fastest growing areas. A strong public education system, especially state universities but also a strong community college program that was funded by, you guessed, Democrats.

 

[Winston]

But isn't that the result of people voting them in.

Essentially, choosing to be a blankhole?

I wish I could say that is the truth. It is not. I mean there is a reason North Carolina elects a Democrat governor but has a Republican dominated Legislature. The damn gerrymandering. Basically, the state is fifty/fifty, but the House has a veto proof majority and Republicans hold almost all the Congressional delegation.

 

[Billiejeens]

But isn't that the result of people voting them in.

Essentially, choosing to be a blankhole?

The last gubernatorial candidate we completely failed to vet.

 

[Billiejeens]

I wish I could say that is the truth. It is not. I mean there is a reason North Carolina elects a Democrat governor but has a Republican dominated Legislature. The damn gerrymandering. Basically, the state is fifty/fifty, but the House has a veto proof majority and Republicans hold almost all the Congressional delegation.

Nope

The state is solid Republican, Mountains to the ocean except for three urban areas.
The Triangle
Charlotte
Asheville

 

[Winston]

The last gubernatorial candidate we completely failed to vet.

Mark Robinson was a disaster.

 

[Winston]

Nope

The state is solid Republican, Mountains to the ocean except for three urban areas.
The Triangle
Charlotte
Asheville

You are going by districts which the Republican party openly admits were drawn to result in as many Republican districts as possible. I mean damn, been out today? Demonstrations throughout the state, schools closed in many areas, and yes, Red areas. Shelby? I mean come on.

 

[HikerGuy83]

The damn gerrymandering.

Yep...gotta go.

 

[HikerGuy83]

I wish I could say that is the truth. It is not. I mean there is a reason North Carolina elects a Democrat governor but has a Republican dominated Legislature. The damn gerrymandering. Basically, the state is fifty/fifty, but the House has a veto proof majority and Republicans hold almost all the Congressional delegation.

But also....can't people do a great deal outside of government?

If my state turns into a hole, I blame me more than my legislature.

 

[struth]

How is that? Won't blue voters leaving blue states vote blue? I mean are new residents to Red States required to sign some loyalty oath? North Carolina is a solidly purple state. We have operated with a Democrat governor and a Republican legislature for almost a decade now. Once a solidly red state, transplants from other states, like say New York, have changed the political landscape. It is almost comical to watch the Republicans desperately trying to maintain power by carving up Congressional districts, and we are talking at the State level, state house districts. The Triangle, Charlotte, Greensboro it really is eye-opening to look at the districts that have been conceded to the Democrats. Used to be, well they walked in all the minorities. Now, they are fencing in the PROSPEROUS districts. Red district, shithole, red district, shithole, blue district, number one school district in the state, highest incomes.

Blue voters are fleeing. It’s the people that can afford to that are fleeing…they aren’t blue voters

 

[Winston]

But also....can't people do a great deal outside of government?

If my state turns into a hole, I blame me more than my legislature.

Absolutely. When the Republicans took a majority on the state supreme court it started really getting bad. I mean I don't care what party you are in, I don't care what your political leanings are. You got a damn veto proof majority in the Legislature, an iron fist over the Judiciary, and the damn House hasn't passed a budget since 2023. Man, that is some screwed up shit.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Absolutely. When the Republicans took a majority on the state supreme court it started really getting bad. I mean I don't care what party you are in, I don't care what your political leanings are. You got a damn veto proof majority in the Legislature, an iron fist over the Judiciary, and the damn House hasn't passed a budget since 2023. Man, that is some screwed up shit.

So what are your metrics for "bad"?

How has the state gone south (pardon the pun).

 

[konradv]

Democrats face a severe loss of power due to population leaving their states. radical left wing beliefs, lack of any real plans, no candidates for president, low approvals for democrats in the house, failed policies during the Biden administration, and the SC ruling on redistricting favors the GOP and hinders democrats. Democrats opened the birder to replace lost population in their states. Now its closed and 3 million have been deported this year. In fir years thats 12 million deported.

Democrats have a problem much bigger than Donald Trump

Democrats' easiest path to 270 Electoral College votes likely won't be viable next decade if current populaton trends continue.

www.newsweek.com

Democrats are facing a long-term Electoral College crisis that is much bigger than Donald Trump over the next few years — and is at least partially of the party's own making.

Trump carried the Electoral College by a 312-226 margin in this year's presidential race against Vice President Kamala Harris. But by the end of the decade, Democrats may be dealing with even more difficult electoral math as population projections suggest growth in red states like Florida and Texas will outpace growth in big blue states like California and New York.

Since 2020, there has been a significant population shift away from Democratic-led (blue) states toward Republican-led (red) states, driven by high living costs, taxes, and housing shortages. Top-losing states include California, New York, and Illinois, with residents largely moving to Florida, Texas, and the Carolinas, altering Congressional seat distributions.
The Washington Stand +2
Key Trends in Population Loss

• Top Departing States: California, New York, Illinois, Washington, and Oregon were the biggest losers of families between 2021–2022.
• Exodus Intensity: California lost over 172,000 residents while New York lost nearly 120,000 from 2020–2025.
• Destination States: Migrants are primarily moving to Republican-controlled states, with Texas, Florida, North Carolina, and South Carolina leading in gains.
• Demographic Impact: The losses are causing several blue states to lose Congressional seats due to reduced population counts.
  City Journal +4

Primary Reasons for Leaving

 

[Winston]

So what are your metrics for "bad"?

How has the state gone south (pardon the pun).

Today the primary reason for demonstrations is the public education system, "Kids over Corporations" they are calling it. We rank 50 out of fifty states in spending per student. And yes, Puerto Rico also spends more. I mean I know it is not all about the money but we also rank 46 in teacher pay. You got to give it up to the students though, in face of declining spending and declining enrollment they still are in the upper half of the country, but slipping quickly for reasons like the above.

The public universities is where the real decline shows. At one time, North Carolina was ranked only behind California in public higher education. Now we are like 15. And the sad part, North Carolina residents have a CONSTITUTIONAL right to free public universities, "as far a practical", which has been their go around.

And honestly, hard to see why people move here. Five years running North Carolina has been ranked the WORSE state to work in. And while every state in the country has a regressive tax system, North Carolina has slipped to the bottom half of the country and will continue to decline as Republican tax cuts go into effect.

Public health has continued to decline. Our infant mortality rate is among the ten worst in the country. And quite honestly, that infant mortality rate should be the focus of our Legislature right now, it is disgusting. But here is a recent example. Schools offer eye and dental exams to students for free. It used to be almost 80% of students participated, when it was an opt-out system. The Republicans changed it to an opt-in program. Now only about 20% participate. How many children will go through their entire academic career failing to see the chalkboard. I mean it is as if Republicans are doing this shit on purpose.

Come on, tax payer dollars going to wealthy individuals sending their kids to private schools? How does that make sense? I mean my sons kids will be starting school soon. I am quite sure he will go the private school route. But if he takes that tax break I will kick his ass. I think he knows better.

Hell, we have discussed those Blue areas. Well now the Legislature is telling county school boards and county governments what laws they can and cannot pass. Worse, now they are placing caps on property tax increases, WTF? If a local referendum passes who the hell is the state legislature to over-ride that? Why?