JustAGuy1
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I think that we have had this conversation before, but I will try again. My position has always been that all religions-especially authoritarian, monotheistic religions- have their dark underbellies, a tendancy towards controll their "flock" and others with fear and guilt.No I do not. Islamic terrorists-ISIS, etc are hate groups. Islam is no more of a hate group that your typical Christian denonomination is. But there Christians-or so called Christian groups who are indeed hate groups.According to PJ Media, The SPLC " tars the reputations of law-abiding mainstream conservative and Christian organizations like the Family Research Council (FRC), Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF), and ACT for America." Well, lets see what these organizations are about:
Family Research Council - Wikipedia
\FRC was formed in the United States in 1981 by James Dobson and incorporated in 1983.[6] In the late 1980s, FRC officially became a division of Dobson's main organization, Focus on the Family; however, after an administrative separation, FRC became an independent entity in 1992. Tony Perkins is its current president. It opposes and lobbies against: access to pornography, embryonic stem-cell research, abortion, divorce, and LGBT rights (such as anti-discrimination laws, same-sex marriage, same-sex civil unions, and LGBT adoption). FRC is affiliated with a 501(c)(4) lobbying PAC known as FRC Action.[7]
Sounds like a hate group to me. If this is "main stream Christianity, then I want no part of it.
Do you consider Islam to be a hate group?
Interesting that you don't put Muslims in the same category, or frankly, even a worse category, considering that it isn't just terrorists and ISIS hate groups who behave this way. Most countries with Islamic governments oppress the rights of women and homosexuals and will jail them and literally execute them in some cases. They are far more brutal than any extremist Christian group, but strangely that never seems to bother you guys.
However, the extent to which those tendancies are allowed to florish unfettered, or are tamped down is a function of the social and political environment that they exist in.
The Muslim majority states that you refer to- for the most part- have no tradition of governement being separate from religion, freedom of religion, the rule of law, or a democratic process.
This country is far from perfect in those respects. But we have a basic framework that cultivates some degree of tollerance and freedom of religion and individuality. You can not deny that there are Chriistians in this country-in our congress- who would trample on the rights of women even more that they already do,and subject gays to the harshest of penalties for just being gay and strip them of their rights and dignity if they only could. But with all of it's flaws, it is still the United States, and we still have a framework to hold the worst of such toitalitarian and theocratic tendancies at bay- at least for now.
Islam is not the problem. Radical theocracy, regardless of the brand, in the context of a conservitive and complicit social structure and inadequite legal protections are the problem.
Lastly, let me ask you this. In this country, who is it-Muslims or Christians- who are trying to roll back the righjts of women and attacking LGBT people? Who?
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This country is far from perfect in those respects. But we have a basic framework that cultivates some degree of tollerance and freedom of religion and individuality. You can not deny that there are Chriistians in this country-in our congress- who would trample on the rights of women even more that they already do,and subject gays to the harshest of penalties for just being gay and strip them of their rights and dignity if they only could. But with all of it's flaws, it is still the United States, and we still have a framework to hold the worst of such toitalitarian and theocratic tendancies at bay- at least for now."
Get off your high horse and stop pretending that your side wouldn't trample the Rights of ANY conservtaive if they thought they's get away with it and they frequently do. American has NO radical theocracy, NONE and you know it son.