Democrats Don't Try Impeaching The President Circumstances Don't Warrant It!

[JimofPennsylvan]

Democrats and their supporters pursuing using the twenty-fifth amendment and the impeachment process to remove President Donald Trump from Office are being extremely irresponsible and unwise, history will be outstanding critical of them in their pursuit of impeaching the President. First off President Trump is not criminally culpable for the mob’s intrusion of the nation’s Capitol this past Wednesday; sure we all know he wanted the protesters to do it but the question is whether or not we can be prove that he incited or in some way directed the crowd to do it and we cannot prove it. We know in the earlier rally he told the crowd to go down to the Capitol and protest to move Republican members of Congress to support his effort to stop the certification of ballots but telling a crowd to go to a certain location and protest is not a crime.

The Democrats just don't have a case for impeachment here. Number one the intrusion of the Capitol does not meet the "high crime and misdemeanor" element of impeachment. Sure it offends everyone's sensibilities like crazy see things like rioters walking around the almost sacred place of the Senate Chamber but at the end of the day what you have here to a large degree is trespass, petty theft and vandalism -minor crimes. In regards to all this inflammatory language flying around claiming that what you have here is acts of insurrection and/or sedition it does not comport with the facts these protestors were not trying to overthrow the government. The protesters goal was to disrupt and stop the unfolding delegate count of the electoral college so as to open the door for state legislatures favorable to President Trump to appoint their own delegate slate supporting Trump causing a showdown on which slate should be recognized by Congress with the issue ultimately going to the Supreme Court where since President Trump having appointed three of the nine Justices would find a friendly Court and come out victorious; or one could say the protesters wanted to somehow subvert the current delegate count process they see as fraudulent and somehow bring what they see as the fair result of Trump having won the November vote being recognized ! The other thing the Democrats will do here with their rushed impeachment process is they will mar and weaken this impeachment mechanism in our Democratic form of government - do we really want Presidents when they are of a different Party from the majority of the Senat and House have to continually do a calculus are they taking an action which could cause them to be impeached for basically political reasons? If this impeachment process would be respected there would be numerous people that would have to be questioned publicly under oath like the head of the Capitol Hill police and Pentagon and Washington DC police officials and ask how can only five to ten thousand protesters (with no firearms to speak of) breach America's Center of Government Capital building - the capitol police alone numbers two thousand strong; who is really responsible for this shocking collapse of security?

History will not be kind to the Democrats if they pursue an impeachment process here, many many Americans will believe the Democrats joined in and lead a big corruption effort to use the impeachment process to permanently block a political champion for conservatives and people form the heartland of America, Donald Trump, from being able to run for Presidency of the United States again. These Americans will believe this whole incident was a set-up to impeach President Trump because once he is impeached he is banned from holding federal public office ever again and the Senate impeachment trial can be held after President Trump has left office and by Tuesday evening the Democrats new the results of the Georgia run-off election where they would hold power in both the House and Senate so it would be easy to orchestrate the impeachment! Why was it a set-up you say! Social media held an ocean of red flags that protesters were planning to disrupt the Electoral College count certification process including entering the Capitol building. Capitol Hill Police authorities mysteriously acted like this danger was nonexistent; they rejected an offer by the Pentagon to have National Guard forces available for security and they rejected an offer from the Department of Justice to provide FBI agents to help with security when the protest was beginning to spiral out of control. When one sees video of this Wednesday incident the barrier the Capitol Hill police used to keep the protesters at bay were portable metal fences these types of barriers are for things like directing pedestrian movement they aren't going to restrain protesters looking to riot. Competent security preparation would have called for the utilization of concrete blocks installed by cranes and the block walls located at least fifty to one hundred yards away from the Capitol building; allowing protesters contact with the Capitol building is mind boggling the building has a lot of glass windows and doors which could be broken through with a variety of readily available objects.

 

[White 6]

Circumstances suitable. Timing is completely stupid. He will be gone in 11 days. Save it for the courts.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

The 25th Amendment is dead. Impeachment is dead.

What might be surprisingly amusing is to tie the Democrats up with endlessly debating ever more bizarre punishments for Trump and doing nothing else. That sounds like a tactic Ted Cruz would think up. Let the entire country slide while the communists debate building an iron maiden.

Gads are Democrats a stupid and disgusting mischief.

 

[sealybobo]

Democrats and their supporters pursuing using the twenty-fifth amendment and the impeachment process to remove President Donald Trump from Office are being extremely irresponsible and unwise, history will be outstanding critical of them in their pursuit of impeaching the President. First off President Trump is not criminally culpable for the mob’s intrusion of the nation’s Capitol this past Wednesday; sure we all know he wanted the protesters to do it but the question is whether or not we can be prove that he incited or in some way directed the crowd to do it and we cannot prove it. We know in the earlier rally he told the crowd to go down to the Capitol and protest to move Republican members of Congress to support his effort to stop the certification of ballots but telling a crowd to go to a certain location and protest is not a crime.

The Democrats just don't have a case for impeachment here. Number one the intrusion of the Capitol does not meet the "high crime and misdemeanor" element of impeachment. Sure it offends everyone's sensibilities like crazy see things like rioters walking around the almost sacred place of the Senate Chamber but at the end of the day what you have here to a large degree is trespass, petty theft and vandalism -minor crimes. In regards to all this inflammatory language flying around claiming that what you have here is acts of insurrection and/or sedition it does not comport with the facts these protestors were not trying to overthrow the government. The protesters goal was to disrupt and stop the unfolding delegate count of the electoral college so as to open the door for state legislatures favorable to President Trump to appoint their own delegate slate supporting Trump causing a showdown on which slate should be recognized by Congress with the issue ultimately going to the Supreme Court where since President Trump having appointed three of the nine Justices would find a friendly Court and come out victorious; or one could say the protesters wanted to somehow subvert the current delegate count process they see as fraudulent and somehow bring what they see as the fair result of Trump having won the November vote being recognized ! The other thing the Democrats will do here with their rushed impeachment process is they will mar and weaken this impeachment mechanism in our Democratic form of government - do we really want Presidents when they are of a different Party from the majority of the Senat and House have to continually do a calculus are they taking an action which could cause them to be impeached for basically political reasons? If this impeachment process would be respected there would be numerous people that would have to be questioned publicly under oath like the head of the Capitol Hill police and Pentagon and Washington DC police officials and ask how can only five to ten thousand protesters (with no firearms to speak of) breach America's Center of Government Capital building - the capitol police alone numbers two thousand strong; who is really responsible for this shocking collapse of security?

History will not be kind to the Democrats if they pursue an impeachment process here, many many Americans will believe the Democrats joined in and lead a big corruption effort to use the impeachment process to permanently block a political champion for conservatives and people form the heartland of America, Donald Trump, from being able to run for Presidency of the United States again. These Americans will believe this whole incident was a set-up to impeach President Trump because once he is impeached he is banned from holding federal public office ever again and the Senate impeachment trial can be held after President Trump has left office and by Tuesday evening the Democrats new the results of the Georgia run-off election where they would hold power in both the House and Senate so it would be easy to orchestrate the impeachment! Why was it a set-up you say! Social media held an ocean of red flags that protesters were planning to disrupt the Electoral College count certification process including entering the Capitol building. Capitol Hill Police authorities mysteriously acted like this danger was nonexistent; they rejected an offer by the Pentagon to have National Guard forces available for security and they rejected an offer from the Department of Justice to provide FBI agents to help with security when the protest was beginning to spiral out of control. When one sees video of this Wednesday incident the barrier the Capitol Hill police used to keep the protesters at bay were portable metal fences these types of barriers are for things like directing pedestrian movement they aren't going to restrain protesters looking to riot. Competent security preparation would have called for the utilization of concrete blocks installed by cranes and the block walls located at least fifty to one hundred yards away from the Capitol building; allowing protesters contact with the Capitol building is mind boggling the building has a lot of glass windows and doors which could be broken through with a variety of readily available objects.

Before I read the rest. We have been warning him and you guys his rhetoric was dangerous. Didn’t he learn his lesson after his followers tried to kidnap governor Whitmer?

 

[Crepitus]

Democrats and their supporters pursuing using the twenty-fifth amendment and the impeachment process to remove President Donald Trump from Office are being extremely irresponsible and unwise, history will be outstanding critical of them in their pursuit of impeaching the President. First off President Trump is not criminally culpable for the mob’s intrusion of the nation’s Capitol this past Wednesday; sure we all know he wanted the protesters to do it but the question is whether or not we can be prove that he incited or in some way directed the crowd to do it and we cannot prove it. We know in the earlier rally he told the crowd to go down to the Capitol and protest to move Republican members of Congress to support his effort to stop the certification of ballots but telling a crowd to go to a certain location and protest is not a crime.

The Democrats just don't have a case for impeachment here. Number one the intrusion of the Capitol does not meet the "high crime and misdemeanor" element of impeachment. Sure it offends everyone's sensibilities like crazy see things like rioters walking around the almost sacred place of the Senate Chamber but at the end of the day what you have here to a large degree is trespass, petty theft and vandalism -minor crimes. In regards to all this inflammatory language flying around claiming that what you have here is acts of insurrection and/or sedition it does not comport with the facts these protestors were not trying to overthrow the government. The protesters goal was to disrupt and stop the unfolding delegate count of the electoral college so as to open the door for state legislatures favorable to President Trump to appoint their own delegate slate supporting Trump causing a showdown on which slate should be recognized by Congress with the issue ultimately going to the Supreme Court where since President Trump having appointed three of the nine Justices would find a friendly Court and come out victorious; or one could say the protesters wanted to somehow subvert the current delegate count process they see as fraudulent and somehow bring what they see as the fair result of Trump having won the November vote being recognized ! The other thing the Democrats will do here with their rushed impeachment process is they will mar and weaken this impeachment mechanism in our Democratic form of government - do we really want Presidents when they are of a different Party from the majority of the Senat and House have to continually do a calculus are they taking an action which could cause them to be impeached for basically political reasons? If this impeachment process would be respected there would be numerous people that would have to be questioned publicly under oath like the head of the Capitol Hill police and Pentagon and Washington DC police officials and ask how can only five to ten thousand protesters (with no firearms to speak of) breach America's Center of Government Capital building - the capitol police alone numbers two thousand strong; who is really responsible for this shocking collapse of security?

History will not be kind to the Democrats if they pursue an impeachment process here, many many Americans will believe the Democrats joined in and lead a big corruption effort to use the impeachment process to permanently block a political champion for conservatives and people form the heartland of America, Donald Trump, from being able to run for Presidency of the United States again. These Americans will believe this whole incident was a set-up to impeach President Trump because once he is impeached he is banned from holding federal public office ever again and the Senate impeachment trial can be held after President Trump has left office and by Tuesday evening the Democrats new the results of the Georgia run-off election where they would hold power in both the House and Senate so it would be easy to orchestrate the impeachment! Why was it a set-up you say! Social media held an ocean of red flags that protesters were planning to disrupt the Electoral College count certification process including entering the Capitol building. Capitol Hill Police authorities mysteriously acted like this danger was nonexistent; they rejected an offer by the Pentagon to have National Guard forces available for security and they rejected an offer from the Department of Justice to provide FBI agents to help with security when the protest was beginning to spiral out of control. When one sees video of this Wednesday incident the barrier the Capitol Hill police used to keep the protesters at bay were portable metal fences these types of barriers are for things like directing pedestrian movement they aren't going to restrain protesters looking to riot. Competent security preparation would have called for the utilization of concrete blocks installed by cranes and the block walls located at least fifty to one hundred yards away from the Capitol building; allowing protesters contact with the Capitol building is mind boggling the building has a lot of glass windows and doors which could be broken through with a variety of readily available objects.

That's a minority opinion.

 

[citygator]

Trump should absolutely be impeached. He led a rebellion. Having said that it’s politically impractical and isn’t the best move for democrats to leverage their new political power... which means they’ll try to impeach because their hearts are way bigger than their brains. I love them but they are not politically smart.

 

[sealybobo]

Democrats and their supporters pursuing using the twenty-fifth amendment and the impeachment process to remove President Donald Trump from Office are being extremely irresponsible and unwise, history will be outstanding critical of them in their pursuit of impeaching the President. First off President Trump is not criminally culpable for the mob’s intrusion of the nation’s Capitol this past Wednesday; sure we all know he wanted the protesters to do it but the question is whether or not we can be prove that he incited or in some way directed the crowd to do it and we cannot prove it. We know in the earlier rally he told the crowd to go down to the Capitol and protest to move Republican members of Congress to support his effort to stop the certification of ballots but telling a crowd to go to a certain location and protest is not a crime.

The Democrats just don't have a case for impeachment here. Number one the intrusion of the Capitol does not meet the "high crime and misdemeanor" element of impeachment. Sure it offends everyone's sensibilities like crazy see things like rioters walking around the almost sacred place of the Senate Chamber but at the end of the day what you have here to a large degree is trespass, petty theft and vandalism -minor crimes. In regards to all this inflammatory language flying around claiming that what you have here is acts of insurrection and/or sedition it does not comport with the facts these protestors were not trying to overthrow the government. The protesters goal was to disrupt and stop the unfolding delegate count of the electoral college so as to open the door for state legislatures favorable to President Trump to appoint their own delegate slate supporting Trump causing a showdown on which slate should be recognized by Congress with the issue ultimately going to the Supreme Court where since President Trump having appointed three of the nine Justices would find a friendly Court and come out victorious; or one could say the protesters wanted to somehow subvert the current delegate count process they see as fraudulent and somehow bring what they see as the fair result of Trump having won the November vote being recognized ! The other thing the Democrats will do here with their rushed impeachment process is they will mar and weaken this impeachment mechanism in our Democratic form of government - do we really want Presidents when they are of a different Party from the majority of the Senat and House have to continually do a calculus are they taking an action which could cause them to be impeached for basically political reasons? If this impeachment process would be respected there would be numerous people that would have to be questioned publicly under oath like the head of the Capitol Hill police and Pentagon and Washington DC police officials and ask how can only five to ten thousand protesters (with no firearms to speak of) breach America's Center of Government Capital building - the capitol police alone numbers two thousand strong; who is really responsible for this shocking collapse of security?

History will not be kind to the Democrats if they pursue an impeachment process here, many many Americans will believe the Democrats joined in and lead a big corruption effort to use the impeachment process to permanently block a political champion for conservatives and people form the heartland of America, Donald Trump, from being able to run for Presidency of the United States again. These Americans will believe this whole incident was a set-up to impeach President Trump because once he is impeached he is banned from holding federal public office ever again and the Senate impeachment trial can be held after President Trump has left office and by Tuesday evening the Democrats new the results of the Georgia run-off election where they would hold power in both the House and Senate so it would be easy to orchestrate the impeachment! Why was it a set-up you say! Social media held an ocean of red flags that protesters were planning to disrupt the Electoral College count certification process including entering the Capitol building. Capitol Hill Police authorities mysteriously acted like this danger was nonexistent; they rejected an offer by the Pentagon to have National Guard forces available for security and they rejected an offer from the Department of Justice to provide FBI agents to help with security when the protest was beginning to spiral out of control. When one sees video of this Wednesday incident the barrier the Capitol Hill police used to keep the protesters at bay were portable metal fences these types of barriers are for things like directing pedestrian movement they aren't going to restrain protesters looking to riot. Competent security preparation would have called for the utilization of concrete blocks installed by cranes and the block walls located at least fifty to one hundred yards away from the Capitol building; allowing protesters contact with the Capitol building is mind boggling the building has a lot of glass windows and doors which could be broken through with a variety of readily available objects.

Impeaching him would stop him from doing anything else crazy his last few days in office.

We need to change the power a president has after he has lost an election. Limit it.

 

[sealybobo]

Trump should absolutely be impeached. He led a rebellion. Having said that it’s politically impractical and isn’t the best move for democrats to leverage their new political power... which means they’ll try to impeach because their hearts are way bigger than their brains. I love them but they are not politically smart.

Hitler went to jail in the 1920s for doing the same thing trump tried. A failed coup.

 

[Lakhota]

Adolf Trump and his MAGA mob must be held accountable! Domestic terrorists must be prosecuted.

 

[sealybobo]

Trump should absolutely be impeached. He led a rebellion. Having said that it’s politically impractical and isn’t the best move for democrats to leverage their new political power... which means they’ll try to impeach because their hearts are way bigger than their brains. I love them but they are not politically smart.

New political power? It would be the current house that would impeach trump. We don’t have new power until next month.

Is McConnell the senate majority leader still?

 

[candycorn]

Democrats and their supporters pursuing using the twenty-fifth amendment and the impeachment process to remove President Donald Trump from Office are being extremely irresponsible and unwise, history will be outstanding critical of them in their pursuit of impeaching the President. First off President Trump is not criminally culpable for the mob’s intrusion of the nation’s Capitol this past Wednesday; sure we all know he wanted the protesters to do it but the question is whether or not we can be prove that he incited or in some way directed the crowd to do it and we cannot prove it. We know in the earlier rally he told the crowd to go down to the Capitol and protest to move Republican members of Congress to support his effort to stop the certification of ballots but telling a crowd to go to a certain location and protest is not a crime.

The Democrats just don't have a case for impeachment here. Number one the intrusion of the Capitol does not meet the "high crime and misdemeanor" element of impeachment. Sure it offends everyone's sensibilities like crazy see things like rioters walking around the almost sacred place of the Senate Chamber but at the end of the day what you have here to a large degree is trespass, petty theft and vandalism -minor crimes. In regards to all this inflammatory language flying around claiming that what you have here is acts of insurrection and/or sedition it does not comport with the facts these protestors were not trying to overthrow the government. The protesters goal was to disrupt and stop the unfolding delegate count of the electoral college so as to open the door for state legislatures favorable to President Trump to appoint their own delegate slate supporting Trump causing a showdown on which slate should be recognized by Congress with the issue ultimately going to the Supreme Court where since President Trump having appointed three of the nine Justices would find a friendly Court and come out victorious; or one could say the protesters wanted to somehow subvert the current delegate count process they see as fraudulent and somehow bring what they see as the fair result of Trump having won the November vote being recognized ! The other thing the Democrats will do here with their rushed impeachment process is they will mar and weaken this impeachment mechanism in our Democratic form of government - do we really want Presidents when they are of a different Party from the majority of the Senat and House have to continually do a calculus are they taking an action which could cause them to be impeached for basically political reasons? If this impeachment process would be respected there would be numerous people that would have to be questioned publicly under oath like the head of the Capitol Hill police and Pentagon and Washington DC police officials and ask how can only five to ten thousand protesters (with no firearms to speak of) breach America's Center of Government Capital building - the capitol police alone numbers two thousand strong; who is really responsible for this shocking collapse of security?

History will not be kind to the Democrats if they pursue an impeachment process here, many many Americans will believe the Democrats joined in and lead a big corruption effort to use the impeachment process to permanently block a political champion for conservatives and people form the heartland of America, Donald Trump, from being able to run for Presidency of the United States again. These Americans will believe this whole incident was a set-up to impeach President Trump because once he is impeached he is banned from holding federal public office ever again and the Senate impeachment trial can be held after President Trump has left office and by Tuesday evening the Democrats new the results of the Georgia run-off election where they would hold power in both the House and Senate so it would be easy to orchestrate the impeachment! Why was it a set-up you say! Social media held an ocean of red flags that protesters were planning to disrupt the Electoral College count certification process including entering the Capitol building. Capitol Hill Police authorities mysteriously acted like this danger was nonexistent; they rejected an offer by the Pentagon to have National Guard forces available for security and they rejected an offer from the Department of Justice to provide FBI agents to help with security when the protest was beginning to spiral out of control. When one sees video of this Wednesday incident the barrier the Capitol Hill police used to keep the protesters at bay were portable metal fences these types of barriers are for things like directing pedestrian movement they aren't going to restrain protesters looking to riot. Competent security preparation would have called for the utilization of concrete blocks installed by cranes and the block walls located at least fifty to one hundred yards away from the Capitol building; allowing protesters contact with the Capitol building is mind boggling the building has a lot of glass windows and doors which could be broken through with a variety of readily available objects.

Not sure about any of that.

Politically it's stupid to try it...it won't result in removal. And his term is over in 9 days.

 

[B. Kidd]

If Joe truly wanted unity, he'd call Nancy and tell her to drop it!

 

[White 6]

The 25th Amendment is dead. Impeachment is dead.

What might be surprisingly amusing is to tie the Democrats up with endlessly debating ever more bizarre punishments for Trump and doing nothing else. That sounds like a tactic Ted Cruz would think up. Let the entire country slide while the communists debate building an iron maiden.

Gads are Democrats a stupid and disgusting mischief.

If we can get through the next 10-11 days without 25th BS and an impeachment fight it will be best for everybody. This is something for post inauguration federal prosecutors, trial lawyers, and lawsuit slugs, along with past crimes accused before and during his administration. It will be a sideshow at that time and his problem. I am still hoping he will fly to Scotland (the sooner the better) on AF1 and take his own 757 back, whenever he gets ready or to any other place of his choosing.

 

[KissMy]

They brought hangman's gallows & zip tie handcuffs to Trumps rally & they stormed the capital with them as Trump instructed them to. Trump knew it was organized because he could see it and he was part of it.

 

[B. Kidd]

They brought hangman's gallows & zip tie handcuffs to Trumps rally & they stormed the capital with them as Trump instructed them to. Trump knew it was organized because he was part of it.

Just symbols to make a point. AND NEITHER WERE ACTUALLY USED!

 

[Kilroy2]

I been trying to thing why would the demo want to bring up the "I" word this late in the game when the results are already know. Well Trump can go down as the only president impeached twice and stayed in office. There is also the humiliation factor. Maybe they see this as a way to galvanize the anti trump fraction. "Remember the Trump". Then again maybe the bigger picture is to try and coral the next wannabe Trump into a more docile Trump wannabe. Maybe they are trying to put a match to Trumps political career and any involvement with repub party. Then again maybe they suspect that Trump legal problems are soon to begin again and they want to paint a picture of who the defendant really is. Of course there is a bigger political agenda ahead as where does the economy go during round 2 of the pandemic .

If only they could just turn off his mike when he speaks. Tweeter seems to be having fun with him.

 

[Issa]

In a democratic country the orange pig would've been tried for treason and hanged or shot in a public square.

He deliberately guided a mob to do s coupe d'etat. I csnt beleive that this is for debate, he should've been arrested and tried thr same freaking day.

 

[Devils_Advocate]

I would love if it were possible to send Trump to Iran or Iraq and let them take care of him once and for all...

I never wrote anything like that for any other President but Trump need to leave this country and take his family with him!

America that are not Trumpsters need to shun Trump and his family and even his base because America need to purge itself of this disease!

For two decades I would just make fun of both sides but now I am taking my stand and Trump must go and I wish Impeachment would work but it will not, so I hope State and Federal Prosecutors will do what need to be done and throw Trump and his three oldest kids under the prison and forget about them!

 

[IM2]

They brought hangman's gallows & zip tie handcuffs to Trumps rally & they stormed the capital with them as Trump instructed them to. Trump knew it was organized because he was part of it.

Just symbols to make a point. AND NEITHER WERE ACTUALLY USED!

Bullshit.

 

[IM2]

Trump should have been impeached last year. As much as I would like to see it, he was impeached in November and will be leaving in 10 days. Despite the finest denials by the cult members, what trump did warrants impeachment.

If Joe truly wanted unity, he'd call Nancy and tell her to drop it!

No, trump broke the law. Because of that, he should be arrested and put on trial. If Biden wants unity, the majority needs to be listened to. You MAGATTS keep talking about 74 million people, but 81 million voted against you. And no matter what lie you tell yourself, 81 million people voted against trump. We of the 81 million need to be heard and that means trump nreeds to be tried for insurrection against the United States of America.