‘Democrats Are In A Box’: Graham Says Pelosi’s Impeachment Push Is Backfiring In Senate

[jbrownson0831]

While the spineless Republican Senators try to hide behind the FALSE narrative that this impeachment is unconstitutional, all Schumer needs to do is pass a rule that the final vote will be done by secret ballot, and then Trump is screwed.

Ohhhh secret ballot.....a great Gestapo tactic there America hater.

Hey, nothing could go wrong with a secret ballot, right? Just pick the number of yes votes and no votes you want an no one is the wiser. As long as you don't make the total unanimous one way or the other, everyone will think they were either part of the majority or minority and life goes on. The only way that fails is if the vote is truly unanimous, but that won't happen in this case.

The ballots could be witnessed by the Senate Republican leadership when they're counted. Everyone one of them can be held as proof of the validity of the count.

It's not the way it works.

Did you email Schumer with your idiotic plan?

Secret ballots have been discussed by the Senate the last time Trump was impeached. Nothing new here:

There’s a Surprisingly Plausible Path to Removing Trump From Office - POLITICO Magazine

Capitol Violence Sparks Discussion Of Secret, Safer Impeachment Trial Vote | HuffPost

This would be a horrible solution. There should never be "secret" votes in Congress. The people should always know how their rep voted.

Unless the Senators are acting as jurors and under threat.

Like any other jurors they need protection.

In the case of this impeachment they are not voting on policies or political issues or on a Senate bill, they are voting as jurors in a CRIMINAL CASE.

They must be free from political repercussions and from threats of violence so that they can vote their conscience.

Only one problem--the Senate are not Jurors in a criminal case........................they are just senators supposedly bound by law-

In an impeachment trial Senators are acting as jurors.

So, if you were convinced that Senators were acting as jurors, you'd agree that there should be a secret ballot, right?

Ja, mein Commandant!

 

[Richard-H]

While the spineless Republican Senators try to hide behind the FALSE narrative that this impeachment is unconstitutional, all Schumer needs to do is pass a rule that the final vote will be done by secret ballot, and then Trump is screwed.

That would hurt dems reputation more than impeaching trump

secret ballots in a representative democracy are Un American

Secret ballots are routine in criminal trials - and in elections.

They're very normal in America and always have been.

Are you scared that Repug Senators will vote their conscience without fear of repercussions?

They are not normal in full House and Senate deliberations, nor should they be. This is not a military tribunal where classified information is at hand, this is a political hit job and every piece of debate, every deliberation, every vote should be made public. The fact that the House didn't even bother to take depositions, call witnesses or debate anything tells you what a shabby rush job it is.

The entire Congress witnessed the attempted insurrection and Trump's incitement of these traitors. No need to call anyone.

This is a criminal trial of a criminal President who is supported by criminals.

 

[jbrownson0831]

While the spineless Republican Senators try to hide behind the FALSE narrative that this impeachment is unconstitutional, all Schumer needs to do is pass a rule that the final vote will be done by secret ballot, and then Trump is screwed.

That would hurt dems reputation more than impeaching trump

secret ballots in a representative democracy are Un American

Secret ballots are routine in criminal trials - and in elections.

They're very normal in America and always have been.

Are you scared that Repug Senators will vote their conscience without fear of repercussions?

They are not normal in full House and Senate deliberations, nor should they be. This is not a military tribunal where classified information is at hand, this is a political hit job and every piece of debate, every deliberation, every vote should be made public. The fact that the House didn't even bother to take depositions, call witnesses or debate anything tells you what a shabby rush job it is.

The entire Congress witnessed the attempted insurrection and Trump's incitement of these traitors. No need to call anyone.

This is a criminal trial of a criminal President who is supported by criminals.

What a bunch of overdramatic ranting by a libber queen.

 

[Richard-H]

While the spineless Republican Senators try to hide behind the FALSE narrative that this impeachment is unconstitutional, all Schumer needs to do is pass a rule that the final vote will be done by secret ballot, and then Trump is screwed.

That would hurt dems reputation more than impeaching trump

secret ballots in a representative democracy are Un American

I think the more the dems do to push this "we're gonna get Trump" thing, the better it is for the gop. Not necessarily for Trump, although to his base there's nothing better than Trump the victim, but the Senate actually has stuff to do like covid relief and judges. The less work the dim senate gets done, the better for the gop.

I think that the Dems should have delay the trial until March or April. There's no need to rush, and more and more evidence against Trump & his sycophants is being discovered everyday.

They do need to act on Biden's agenda ASAP.

However, putting and end to Trump and his cult is as important as any other initiative. They are a genuine threat to America - probably the biggest threat since the WWII. Maybe since 1865.

I think the real problem is whether adults in the room will just say no to "alternative" and "false" facts. But there's no doubt in my mind that Hillary and her emails have some blame, and yes Obama sent Susan Rice out to lie about Benghazi but tossing people under the bus is not new. And Reagan understood what Iran Contra was all about.

None of the above comes even close to the level of offense of the insurrectionist mob or of the threats of violence against anyone that does does support Trump.

These people are mobsters, Confederates, neo-Nazis and Qunatics (no 'adults') - and they're trying to forceably take over the United State and end Democracy.

Saying that Democrats have been less than perfectly honest does not equate at all.

 

[Richard-H]

While the spineless Republican Senators try to hide behind the FALSE narrative that this impeachment is unconstitutional, all Schumer needs to do is pass a rule that the final vote will be done by secret ballot, and then Trump is screwed.

That would hurt dems reputation more than impeaching trump

secret ballots in a representative democracy are Un American

Secret ballots are routine in criminal trials - and in elections.

They're very normal in America and always have been.

Are you scared that Repug Senators will vote their conscience without fear of repercussions?

They are not normal in full House and Senate deliberations, nor should they be. This is not a military tribunal where classified information is at hand, this is a political hit job and every piece of debate, every deliberation, every vote should be made public. The fact that the House didn't even bother to take depositions, call witnesses or debate anything tells you what a shabby rush job it is.

The entire Congress witnessed the attempted insurrection and Trump's incitement of these traitors. No need to call anyone.

This is a criminal trial of a criminal President who is supported by criminals.

What a bunch of overdramatic ranting by a libber queen.

Tell that to Officer Sicknick's family.

 

[jbrownson0831]

While the spineless Republican Senators try to hide behind the FALSE narrative that this impeachment is unconstitutional, all Schumer needs to do is pass a rule that the final vote will be done by secret ballot, and then Trump is screwed.

That would hurt dems reputation more than impeaching trump

secret ballots in a representative democracy are Un American

Secret ballots are routine in criminal trials - and in elections.

They're very normal in America and always have been.

Are you scared that Repug Senators will vote their conscience without fear of repercussions?

They are not normal in full House and Senate deliberations, nor should they be. This is not a military tribunal where classified information is at hand, this is a political hit job and every piece of debate, every deliberation, every vote should be made public. The fact that the House didn't even bother to take depositions, call witnesses or debate anything tells you what a shabby rush job it is.

The entire Congress witnessed the attempted insurrection and Trump's incitement of these traitors. No need to call anyone.

This is a criminal trial of a criminal President who is supported by criminals.

What a bunch of overdramatic ranting by a libber queen.

Tell that to Officer Sicknick's family.

Spare us your fake indignity your thugs killed more people in their summer Burn the Cities Tour

 

[jbrownson0831]

While the spineless Republican Senators try to hide behind the FALSE narrative that this impeachment is unconstitutional, all Schumer needs to do is pass a rule that the final vote will be done by secret ballot, and then Trump is screwed.

That would hurt dems reputation more than impeaching trump

secret ballots in a representative democracy are Un American

I think the more the dems do to push this "we're gonna get Trump" thing, the better it is for the gop. Not necessarily for Trump, although to his base there's nothing better than Trump the victim, but the Senate actually has stuff to do like covid relief and judges. The less work the dim senate gets done, the better for the gop.

I think that the Dems should have delay the trial until March or April. There's no need to rush, and more and more evidence against Trump & his sycophants is being discovered everyday.

They do need to act on Biden's agenda ASAP.

However, putting and end to Trump and his cult is as important as any other initiative. They are a genuine threat to America - probably the biggest threat since the WWII. Maybe since 1865.

I think the real problem is whether adults in the room will just say no to "alternative" and "false" facts. But there's no doubt in my mind that Hillary and her emails have some blame, and yes Obama sent Susan Rice out to lie about Benghazi but tossing people under the bus is not new. And Reagan understood what Iran Contra was all about.

None of the above comes even close to the level of offense of the insurrectionist mob or of the threats of violence against anyone that does does support Trump.

These people are mobsters, Confederates, neo-Nazis and Qunatics (no 'adults') - and they're trying to forceably take over the United State and end Democracy.

Saying that Democrats have been less than perfectly honest does not equate at all.

Waaah waaah waaaah I am a whiny TDSer

 

[hadit]

While the spineless Republican Senators try to hide behind the FALSE narrative that this impeachment is unconstitutional, all Schumer needs to do is pass a rule that the final vote will be done by secret ballot, and then Trump is screwed.

That would hurt dems reputation more than impeaching trump

secret ballots in a representative democracy are Un American

Secret ballots are routine in criminal trials - and in elections.

They're very normal in America and always have been.

Are you scared that Repug Senators will vote their conscience without fear of repercussions?

They are not normal in full House and Senate deliberations, nor should they be. This is not a military tribunal where classified information is at hand, this is a political hit job and every piece of debate, every deliberation, every vote should be made public. The fact that the House didn't even bother to take depositions, call witnesses or debate anything tells you what a shabby rush job it is.

The entire Congress witnessed the attempted insurrection and Trump's incitement of these traitors. No need to call anyone.

This is a criminal trial of a criminal President who is supported by criminals.

In your opinion, sure. Now, if this was really a criminal trial, there is absolutely no way it could be held this soon with absolutely no attempt to nail down facts and separate fact from fiction. On the contrary, this being a political hit job allows them to play fast and loose with the normal rules of discovery, calling witnesses, taking depositions, etc. Just for one example, the House didn't have any debate, just wrote up some stuff, voted on it and kicked it out the door.

 

[jbrownson0831]

While the spineless Republican Senators try to hide behind the FALSE narrative that this impeachment is unconstitutional, all Schumer needs to do is pass a rule that the final vote will be done by secret ballot, and then Trump is screwed.

That would hurt dems reputation more than impeaching trump

secret ballots in a representative democracy are Un American

Secret ballots are routine in criminal trials - and in elections.

They're very normal in America and always have been.

Are you scared that Repug Senators will vote their conscience without fear of repercussions?

They are not normal in full House and Senate deliberations, nor should they be. This is not a military tribunal where classified information is at hand, this is a political hit job and every piece of debate, every deliberation, every vote should be made public. The fact that the House didn't even bother to take depositions, call witnesses or debate anything tells you what a shabby rush job it is.

The entire Congress witnessed the attempted insurrection and Trump's incitement of these traitors. No need to call anyone.

This is a criminal trial of a criminal President who is supported by criminals.

In your opinion, sure. Now, if this was really a criminal trial, there is absolutely no way it could be held this soon with absolutely no attempt to nail down facts and separate fact from fiction. On the contrary, this being a political hit job allows them to play fast and loose with the normal rules of discovery, calling witnesses, taking depositions, etc. Just for one example, the House didn't have any debate, just wrote up some stuff, voted on it and kicked it out the door.

But after the secret vote we can blindfold Trump and tie him to a tree and shoot him......

 

[Mac-7]

None of the above comes even close to the level of offense of the insurrectionist mob or of the threats of violence against anyone that does does support Trump.

True

but 12 months of mob rule in democrat run cities across America does rise to and even exceed what took place on 1/6

leftwing violence begat rightwing violence

 

[Billiejeens]

While the spineless Republican Senators try to hide behind the FALSE narrative that this impeachment is unconstitutional, all Schumer needs to do is pass a rule that the final vote will be done by secret ballot, and then Trump is screwed.

Lol. OMG. How do you breathe sparky?

That is one of the most stupid mother fuckers that you are ever likely to encounter

 

[Billiejeens]

None of the above comes even close to the level of offense of the insurrectionist mob or of the threats of violence against anyone that does does support Trump.

True

but 12 months of mob rule in democrat run cities across America does rise to and even exceed what took place on 1/6

leftwing violence begat rightwing violence

There was no right wing violence.

 

[Mac-7]

There was no right wing violence.

I think there were some rightwingers in the mob that entered the capital building

 

[Hang on Sloopy]

While the spineless Republican Senators try to hide behind the FALSE narrative that this impeachment is unconstitutional, all Schumer needs to do is pass a rule that the final vote will be done by secret ballot, and then Trump is screwed.

Lol. OMG. How do you breathe sparky?

That is one of the most stupid mother fuckers that you are ever likely to encounter

God you got the dumbest collective libtards on any site out there. geez.

This place is so fucking easy I'm beginning to feel guilty...lol

 

[Billiejeens]

There was no right wing violence.

I think there were some rightwingers in the mob that entered the capital building

Walking through an open door is not violence

 

[Mac-7]

Walking through an open door is not violence

I agree

And thats all most of the people inside and outside the capital building did.

But there were a few who committed vandalism and violence

 

[hadit]

While the spineless Republican Senators try to hide behind the FALSE narrative that this impeachment is unconstitutional, all Schumer needs to do is pass a rule that the final vote will be done by secret ballot, and then Trump is screwed.

That would hurt dems reputation more than impeaching trump

secret ballots in a representative democracy are Un American

Secret ballots are routine in criminal trials - and in elections.

They're very normal in America and always have been.

Are you scared that Repug Senators will vote their conscience without fear of repercussions?

They are not normal in full House and Senate deliberations, nor should they be. This is not a military tribunal where classified information is at hand, this is a political hit job and every piece of debate, every deliberation, every vote should be made public. The fact that the House didn't even bother to take depositions, call witnesses or debate anything tells you what a shabby rush job it is.

The entire Congress witnessed the attempted insurrection and Trump's incitement of these traitors. No need to call anyone.

This is a criminal trial of a criminal President who is supported by criminals.

In your opinion, sure. Now, if this was really a criminal trial, there is absolutely no way it could be held this soon with absolutely no attempt to nail down facts and separate fact from fiction. On the contrary, this being a political hit job allows them to play fast and loose with the normal rules of discovery, calling witnesses, taking depositions, etc. Just for one example, the House didn't have any debate, just wrote up some stuff, voted on it and kicked it out the door.

But after the secret vote we can blindfold Trump and tie him to a tree and shoot him......

You do know TRUMP! still has Secret Service protection and threats against his life are taken seriously by the FBI, correct?

 

[Mac-7]

But after the secret vote we can blindfold Trump and tie him to a tree and shoot him......

That is a threat that libs would take very seriously if it were against anyone but trump

 

[Richard-H]

While the spineless Republican Senators try to hide behind the FALSE narrative that this impeachment is unconstitutional, all Schumer needs to do is pass a rule that the final vote will be done by secret ballot, and then Trump is screwed.

That would hurt dems reputation more than impeaching trump

secret ballots in a representative democracy are Un American

Secret ballots are routine in criminal trials - and in elections.

They're very normal in America and always have been.

Are you scared that Repug Senators will vote their conscience without fear of repercussions?

They are not normal in full House and Senate deliberations, nor should they be. This is not a military tribunal where classified information is at hand, this is a political hit job and every piece of debate, every deliberation, every vote should be made public. The fact that the House didn't even bother to take depositions, call witnesses or debate anything tells you what a shabby rush job it is.

The entire Congress witnessed the attempted insurrection and Trump's incitement of these traitors. No need to call anyone.

This is a criminal trial of a criminal President who is supported by criminals.

What a bunch of overdramatic ranting by a libber queen.

Tell that to Officer Sicknick's family.

Spare us your fake indignity your thugs killed more people in their summer Burn the Cities Tour

None of the rioting associated with BLM were attempting to overthrow the U.S. Government.

Equating the two is idiotic...just what I'd expect from you.

 

[Richard-H]

While the spineless Republican Senators try to hide behind the FALSE narrative that this impeachment is unconstitutional, all Schumer needs to do is pass a rule that the final vote will be done by secret ballot, and then Trump is screwed.

That would hurt dems reputation more than impeaching trump

secret ballots in a representative democracy are Un American

I think the more the dems do to push this "we're gonna get Trump" thing, the better it is for the gop. Not necessarily for Trump, although to his base there's nothing better than Trump the victim, but the Senate actually has stuff to do like covid relief and judges. The less work the dim senate gets done, the better for the gop.

I think that the Dems should have delay the trial until March or April. There's no need to rush, and more and more evidence against Trump & his sycophants is being discovered everyday.

They do need to act on Biden's agenda ASAP.

However, putting and end to Trump and his cult is as important as any other initiative. They are a genuine threat to America - probably the biggest threat since the WWII. Maybe since 1865.

I think the real problem is whether adults in the room will just say no to "alternative" and "false" facts. But there's no doubt in my mind that Hillary and her emails have some blame, and yes Obama sent Susan Rice out to lie about Benghazi but tossing people under the bus is not new. And Reagan understood what Iran Contra was all about.

None of the above comes even close to the level of offense of the insurrectionist mob or of the threats of violence against anyone that does does support Trump.

These people are mobsters, Confederates, neo-Nazis and Qunatics (no 'adults') - and they're trying to forceably take over the United State and end Democracy.

Saying that Democrats have been less than perfectly honest does not equate at all.

Waaah waaah waaaah I am a whiny TDSer

If being against the overthrow of Democracy makes me a 'TDS whiner', then yes. I'm proud to be a TDS whiner.

That's a whole lot better than being an anti-American traitor that you are!