Democratic Socialism: Greece and Venezuela

[Manchester]

Hitler was a socialist, pure as they come, but Democrats can never admit this horrible truth.

The whole world apart from american right wing lunatics know he was far right wing, even right wing lunatics from other parts of the world accept it. It's amazing how Americans can just happily lie to themselves when it comes to their own political beliefs and just make such oulandish claims. Climate change is a myth designed to steal my job, Hitler was left wing, being gay is a mental illness, all just drivel that gets spounted as absolute hard fact.

What part of this is it you cannot understand?:

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."

• John Toland, Adolf Hitler: The Definitive Biography (1976) p. 306. Hitler’s speech on May 1, 1927.

As with other socialists, he failed, killing almost as many as another socialist icon, Stalin.

Has it occured to you that you ONE QUOTE is a lie, a part fo a speech that was used by a liar who seized control of a nation by using the rehtoric that was popular of the time to try and win popular support?

No, because you eat up your ONE SINGLE QUOTE and just stick with that, your solitary piece of evidence.

Lets check Wikipedia that says Hitler was right wing. That's odd, but then wikipedia is often alledged to have bias, although usually by people who claim the truth is something that isn't a commonly held belief.. Lets have a further internet search. Was Hitler left or right wing?

The basis of the conflation of nazism and socialism is the term "National Socialism," a self description of the Nazis. "National Socialism" includes the word "socialism", but it is just a word. Hitler and the Nazis outlawed socialism, and executed socialists and communists en masse, even before they started rounding up Jews. In 1933, the Dachau concentration camp held socialists and leftists exclusively. The Nazis arrested more than 11,000 Germans for "illegal socialist activity" in 1936.

Oh.

And that took less than 10 seconds. You're churning out the usual right wing lies.

Hitler was a socialist, pure as they come, but Democrats can never admit this horrible truth.

The whole world apart from american right wing lunatics know he was far right wing, even right wing lunatics from other parts of the world accept it. It's amazing how Americans can just happily lie to themselves when it comes to their own political beliefs and just make such oulandish claims. Climate change is a myth designed to steal my job, Hitler was left wing, being gay is a mental illness, all just drivel that gets spounted as absolute hard fact.

Hitler was a Socialist, the National Socialist Workers Party of Germany. The NAZI'S even at one point made a brief alliance with the German Communists.

Using slave labor is classic socialism as was the seizing of Jewish property.

Gay? Hitler was gay, and then of course turned on his fellow gay comrades, night of the long knifes

Well if must be true if it's in a name. Just like the Democratic People's Rupublic of Korea is a shining example of democracy.

 

[Manchester]

Many conservatives accuse Hitler of being a leftist, on the grounds that his party was named "National Socialist." But socialism requires worker ownership and control of the means of production. In Nazi Germany, private capitalist individuals owned the means of production, and they in turn were frequently controlled by the Nazi party and state. True socialism does not advocate such economic dictatorship -- it can only be democratic. Hitler's other political beliefs place him almost always on the far right. He advocated racism over racial tolerance, eugenics over freedom of reproduction, merit over equality, competition over cooperation, power politics and militarism over pacifism, dictatorship over democracy, capitalism over Marxism, realism over idealism, nationalism over internationalism, exclusiveness over inclusiveness, common sense over theory or science, pragmatism over principle, and even held friendly relations with the Church, even though he was an atheist.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The difference between socialism and capitalism is that capitalism works everywhere it's tried. Socialism works nowhere it's tried.

Name the successful nations that were or are devoid of any socialism.

 

[elektra]

Lets check Wikipedia that says Hitler was right wing. That's odd, but then wikipedia is often alledged to have bias, although usually by people who claim the truth is something that isn't a commonly held belief.. Lets have a further internet search. Was Hitler left or right wing?

Wikipedia, you must be joking! Why not read a book, or quote a book, or simply look at the NAZI's actions. You can not even paraphrase from knowledge you have learned, you simply learn as you go, by using google and wikipedia?

A very weak position. If you are going to use wikipedia as your source, you should at the very least, LINK! What a joke, waiting for you to link to wikipedia, so we can present facts against wikipedia, now that you are eliminated of having any knowledge of what you post.

So, LINK! If you must use wikipedia and google.

 

[Manchester]

Lets check Wikipedia that says Hitler was right wing. That's odd, but then wikipedia is often alledged to have bias, although usually by people who claim the truth is something that isn't a commonly held belief.. Lets have a further internet search. Was Hitler left or right wing?

Wikipedia, you must be joking! Why not read a book, or quote a book, or simply look at the NAZI's actions. You can not even paraphrase from knowledge you have learned, you simply learn as you go, by using google and wikipedia?

A very weak position. If you are going to use wikipedia as your source, you should at the very least, LINK! What a joke, waiting for you to link to wikipedia, so we can present facts against wikipedia, now that you are eliminated of having any knowledge of what you post.

So, LINK! If you must use wikipedia and google.

Unlike you who only presents your own opinion as fact?

I'm looking and reading and all I see is extreme nationalism in nazism, with a side order of blaming another group of people for a nation's ills. That right there is right wing in a nutshell.
They were far right, and no amount of thinking you're edgy and different for holding an opionion that is against commonly held wisdom will change that.

 

[elektra]

Unlike you who only presents your own opinion as fact?

I'm looking and reading and all I see is extreme nationalism in nazism, with a side order of blaming another group of people for a nation's ills. That right there is right wing in a nutshell.
They were far right, and no amount of thinking you're edgy and different for holding an opionion that is against commonly held wisdom will change that.

Link to your wikipedia, it is wikipedia presenting the argument not you, so link, it is a rule, if you quote you link, so follow the rules, so we can debate with wikipedia, you make for a poor messenger.

 

[Manchester]

Unlike you who only presents your own opinion as fact?

I'm looking and reading and all I see is extreme nationalism in nazism, with a side order of blaming another group of people for a nation's ills. That right there is right wing in a nutshell.
They were far right, and no amount of thinking you're edgy and different for holding an opionion that is against commonly held wisdom will change that.

Link to your wikipedia, it is wikipedia presenting the argument not you, so link, it is a rule, if you quote you link, so follow the rules, so we can debate with wikipedia, you make for a poor messenger.

I didn't quote wikipedia, I only stated that wikipedia had nazism as being far right. It does, it says under nazism that it's a far right ideology. What I have quoted is me paraphrasing from long political pieces that I have found on google and as such requires no link.

I've just realised, you can't argue against the point because you're wrong and I'm right so you want to attack the source don't you.

 

[Meathead]

Unlike you who only presents your own opinion as fact?

I'm looking and reading and all I see is extreme nationalism in nazism, with a side order of blaming another group of people for a nation's ills. That right there is right wing in a nutshell.
They were far right, and no amount of thinking you're edgy and different for holding an opionion that is against commonly held wisdom will change that.

Link to your wikipedia, it is wikipedia presenting the argument not you, so link, it is a rule, if you quote you link, so follow the rules, so we can debate with wikipedia, you make for a poor messenger.

I didn't quote wikipedia, I only stated that wikipedia had nazism as being far right. It does, it says under nazism that it's a far right ideology. What I have quoted is me paraphrasing from long political pieces that I have found on google and as such requires no link.

I've just realised, you can't argue against the point because you're wrong and I'm right so you want to attack the source don't you.

Here's another socialist hero, Joesf Goebbels:

Why Are We Socialists?

We are socialists because we see in socialism,that is the union of all citizens, the only chance to maintain our racial inheritance and to regain our political freedom and renew our German state.

Socialism is the doctrine of liberation for the working class. It promotes the rise of the fourth class and its incorporation in the political organism of our Fatherland, and is inextricably bound to breaking the present slavery and regaining German freedom. Socialism, therefore, is not merely a matter of the oppressed class, but a matter for everyone, for freeing the German people from slavery is the goal of contemporary policy. Socialism gains its true form only through a total fighting brotherhood with the forward-striving energies of a newly awakened nationalism.

Those Damned Nazis (1932)

 

[Manchester]

Unlike you who only presents your own opinion as fact?

I'm looking and reading and all I see is extreme nationalism in nazism, with a side order of blaming another group of people for a nation's ills. That right there is right wing in a nutshell.
They were far right, and no amount of thinking you're edgy and different for holding an opionion that is against commonly held wisdom will change that.

Link to your wikipedia, it is wikipedia presenting the argument not you, so link, it is a rule, if you quote you link, so follow the rules, so we can debate with wikipedia, you make for a poor messenger.

I didn't quote wikipedia, I only stated that wikipedia had nazism as being far right. It does, it says under nazism that it's a far right ideology. What I have quoted is me paraphrasing from long political pieces that I have found on google and as such requires no link.

I've just realised, you can't argue against the point because you're wrong and I'm right so you want to attack the source don't you.

Here's another socialist hero, Joesf Goebbels:

Why Are We Socialists?

We are socialists because we see in socialism,that is the union of all citizens, the only chance to maintain our racial inheritance and to regain our political freedom and renew our German state.

Socialism is the doctrine of liberation for the working class. It promotes the rise of the fourth class and its incorporation in the political organism of our Fatherland, and is inextricably bound to breaking the present slavery and regaining German freedom. Socialism, therefore, is not merely a matter of the oppressed class, but a matter for everyone, for freeing the German people from slavery is the goal of contemporary policy. Socialism gains its true form only through a total fighting brotherhood with the forward-striving energies of a newly awakened nationalism.

Those Damned Nazis (1932)

Well that's me convinced.

Goebbels is a veritable by-word for straight taling honesty and in no way twisting the way you think.

Is this what it's come to? Holding up Goebbels as your star witness.

Ignore the fact that the nazis didn't seize control of the methods of production, actively cultivated a middle class, held up individual rights over equality and patriotism over fraternal working men's brotherhood and instead listen to nazi speeches.

I can quote you a speech in which Tony Blair claims to be a socialist, he sure as shit didn't act like one when he was ordering death to be rained down on Iraq or stealth privatising British inferstructure.

Nazi's lied, you seem not to realise this.

 

[Meathead]

Unlike you who only presents your own opinion as fact?

I'm looking and reading and all I see is extreme nationalism in nazism, with a side order of blaming another group of people for a nation's ills. That right there is right wing in a nutshell.
They were far right, and no amount of thinking you're edgy and different for holding an opionion that is against commonly held wisdom will change that.

Link to your wikipedia, it is wikipedia presenting the argument not you, so link, it is a rule, if you quote you link, so follow the rules, so we can debate with wikipedia, you make for a poor messenger.

I didn't quote wikipedia, I only stated that wikipedia had nazism as being far right. It does, it says under nazism that it's a far right ideology. What I have quoted is me paraphrasing from long political pieces that I have found on google and as such requires no link.

I've just realised, you can't argue against the point because you're wrong and I'm right so you want to attack the source don't you.

Here's another socialist hero, Joesf Goebbels:

Why Are We Socialists?

We are socialists because we see in socialism,that is the union of all citizens, the only chance to maintain our racial inheritance and to regain our political freedom and renew our German state.

Socialism is the doctrine of liberation for the working class. It promotes the rise of the fourth class and its incorporation in the political organism of our Fatherland, and is inextricably bound to breaking the present slavery and regaining German freedom. Socialism, therefore, is not merely a matter of the oppressed class, but a matter for everyone, for freeing the German people from slavery is the goal of contemporary policy. Socialism gains its true form only through a total fighting brotherhood with the forward-striving energies of a newly awakened nationalism.

Those Damned Nazis (1932)

Well that's me convinced.

Goebbels is a veritable by-word for straight taling honesty and in no way twisting the way you think.

Is this what it's come to? Holding up Goebbels as your star witness.

Ignore the fact that the nazis didn't seize control of the methods of production, actively cultivated a middle class, held up individual rights over equality and patriotism over fraternal working men's brotherhood and instead listen to nazi speeches.

I can quote you a speech in which Tony Blair claims to be a socialist, he sure as shit didn't act like one when he was ordering death to be rained down on Iraq or stealth privatising British inferstructure.

Nazi's lied, you seem not to realise this.

You'r problem, one of many no doubt, is you think socialism is monolithic and only those that conform to your beliefs qualify. You cannot deny that catastrophic leaders like Mao Stalin, and yes, Hitler were socialists to the very core. Today we can add Pol Pot, Chavez, Papandreau, and if you wish Blair, among others.

 

[Manchester]

Unlike you who only presents your own opinion as fact?

I'm looking and reading and all I see is extreme nationalism in nazism, with a side order of blaming another group of people for a nation's ills. That right there is right wing in a nutshell.
They were far right, and no amount of thinking you're edgy and different for holding an opionion that is against commonly held wisdom will change that.

Link to your wikipedia, it is wikipedia presenting the argument not you, so link, it is a rule, if you quote you link, so follow the rules, so we can debate with wikipedia, you make for a poor messenger.

I didn't quote wikipedia, I only stated that wikipedia had nazism as being far right. It does, it says under nazism that it's a far right ideology. What I have quoted is me paraphrasing from long political pieces that I have found on google and as such requires no link.

I've just realised, you can't argue against the point because you're wrong and I'm right so you want to attack the source don't you.

Here's another socialist hero, Joesf Goebbels:

Why Are We Socialists?

We are socialists because we see in socialism,that is the union of all citizens, the only chance to maintain our racial inheritance and to regain our political freedom and renew our German state.

Socialism is the doctrine of liberation for the working class. It promotes the rise of the fourth class and its incorporation in the political organism of our Fatherland, and is inextricably bound to breaking the present slavery and regaining German freedom. Socialism, therefore, is not merely a matter of the oppressed class, but a matter for everyone, for freeing the German people from slavery is the goal of contemporary policy. Socialism gains its true form only through a total fighting brotherhood with the forward-striving energies of a newly awakened nationalism.

Those Damned Nazis (1932)

Well that's me convinced.

Goebbels is a veritable by-word for straight taling honesty and in no way twisting the way you think.

Is this what it's come to? Holding up Goebbels as your star witness.

Ignore the fact that the nazis didn't seize control of the methods of production, actively cultivated a middle class, held up individual rights over equality and patriotism over fraternal working men's brotherhood and instead listen to nazi speeches.

I can quote you a speech in which Tony Blair claims to be a socialist, he sure as shit didn't act like one when he was ordering death to be rained down on Iraq or stealth privatising British inferstructure.

Nazi's lied, you seem not to realise this.

You'r problem, one of many no doubt, is you think socialism is monolithic and only those that conform to your beliefs qualify. You cannot deny that catastrophic leaders like Mao Stalin, and yes, Hitler were socialists to the very core. Today we can add Pol Pot, Chavez, Papandreau, and if you wish Blair, among others.

You're problem, and probably the least of them, is you have no grasp of reality. None. You claim black is white until you're blue in the face and ignore all of the evidence to the contrary in favour of blieving the lies of nazis. I'm worried you've sifted through so many of their speeches hoovering up every morsel as though gospel thruth that you now thing that the problems of the world are caused by international jewery.

You lie to me and to yourself in your little conspiracy theory world, so feel free to don your tinfoil beenie and claim Nazism was socialist; it wasn't and the whole world knows that even if you don't.

 

[Meathead]

You're problem, and probably the least of them, is you have no grasp of reality.

If your going to mimic my words, at least get your grammar/spelling right. Whereas you're obviously a bit of an idiot, I am not and do not wish to be thought of one by association.

It really isn't that difficult to see what I wrote. And, btw, I am not a spelling socialist.

 

[Manchester]

You're problem, and probably the least of them, is you have no grasp of reality.

If your going to mimic my words, at least get your grammar/spelling right. Whereas you're obviously a bit of an idiot, I am not and do not wish to be thought of one by association.

It really isn't that difficult to see what I wrote. And, btw, I am not a spelling socialist.

If you don't wish to be seen as an idiot by association then parroting the lies of people on the right who are so blind they can't even understand basic political extremes might be a better start. And maybe having some evidence other than 2 sentences from speeches by notoriously untrustworthy characters might also help.

I've just found a quote from Kim Jong Un claimign that the North Korean army is the most powerful in the world, no doubt you'll tell me that is hard fact as well.

 

[bripat9643]

Socialism does work in small units from families to small wealth-producing homogeneous countries where people identify with each other. The United States is neither.

Socialism doesn't work anywhere on a national basis.

 

[bripat9643]

Link to your wikipedia, it is wikipedia presenting the argument not you, so link, it is a rule, if you quote you link, so follow the rules, so we can debate with wikipedia, you make for a poor messenger.

I didn't quote wikipedia, I only stated that wikipedia had nazism as being far right. It does, it says under nazism that it's a far right ideology. What I have quoted is me paraphrasing from long political pieces that I have found on google and as such requires no link.

I've just realised, you can't argue against the point because you're wrong and I'm right so you want to attack the source don't you.

Here's another socialist hero, Joesf Goebbels:

Why Are We Socialists?

We are socialists because we see in socialism,that is the union of all citizens, the only chance to maintain our racial inheritance and to regain our political freedom and renew our German state.

Socialism is the doctrine of liberation for the working class. It promotes the rise of the fourth class and its incorporation in the political organism of our Fatherland, and is inextricably bound to breaking the present slavery and regaining German freedom. Socialism, therefore, is not merely a matter of the oppressed class, but a matter for everyone, for freeing the German people from slavery is the goal of contemporary policy. Socialism gains its true form only through a total fighting brotherhood with the forward-striving energies of a newly awakened nationalism.

Those Damned Nazis (1932)

Well that's me convinced.

Goebbels is a veritable by-word for straight taling honesty and in no way twisting the way you think.

Is this what it's come to? Holding up Goebbels as your star witness.

Ignore the fact that the nazis didn't seize control of the methods of production, actively cultivated a middle class, held up individual rights over equality and patriotism over fraternal working men's brotherhood and instead listen to nazi speeches.

I can quote you a speech in which Tony Blair claims to be a socialist, he sure as shit didn't act like one when he was ordering death to be rained down on Iraq or stealth privatising British inferstructure.

Nazi's lied, you seem not to realise this.

You'r problem, one of many no doubt, is you think socialism is monolithic and only those that conform to your beliefs qualify. You cannot deny that catastrophic leaders like Mao Stalin, and yes, Hitler were socialists to the very core. Today we can add Pol Pot, Chavez, Papandreau, and if you wish Blair, among others.

You're problem, and probably the least of them, is you have no grasp of reality. None. You claim black is white until you're blue in the face and ignore all of the evidence to the contrary in favour of blieving the lies of nazis. I'm worried you've sifted through so many of their speeches hoovering up every morsel as though gospel thruth that you now thing that the problems of the world are caused by international jewery.

You lie to me and to yourself in your little conspiracy theory world, so feel free to don your tinfoil beenie and claim Nazism was socialist; it wasn't and the whole world knows that even if you don't.

 

[bripat9643]

You're problem, and probably the least of them, is you have no grasp of reality.

If your going to mimic my words, at least get your grammar/spelling right. Whereas you're obviously a bit of an idiot, I am not and do not wish to be thought of one by association.

It really isn't that difficult to see what I wrote. And, btw, I am not a spelling socialist.

If you don't wish to be seen as an idiot by association then parroting the lies of people on the right who are so blind they can't even understand basic political extremes might be a better start. And maybe having some evidence other than 2 sentences from speeches by notoriously untrustworthy characters might also help.

I've just found a quote from Kim Jong Un claimign that the North Korean army is the most powerful in the world, no doubt you'll tell me that is hard fact as well.

If anyone doesn't understand political extremes, it's you. Your views are extreme left, but you'll never admit that.

 

[elektra]

Unlike you who only presents your own opinion as fact?

I'm looking and reading and all I see is extreme nationalism in nazism, with a side order of blaming another group of people for a nation's ills. That right there is right wing in a nutshell.
They were far right, and no amount of thinking you're edgy and different for holding an opionion that is against commonly held wisdom will change that.

Link to your wikipedia, it is wikipedia presenting the argument not you, so link, it is a rule, if you quote you link, so follow the rules, so we can debate with wikipedia, you make for a poor messenger.

I didn't quote wikipedia, I only stated that wikipedia had nazism as being far right. It does, it says under nazism that it's a far right ideology. What I have quoted is me paraphrasing from long political pieces that I have found on google and as such requires no link.

I've just realised, you can't argue against the point because you're wrong and I'm right so you want to attack the source don't you.

Here's another socialist hero, Joesf Goebbels:

Why Are We Socialists?

We are socialists because we see in socialism,that is the union of all citizens, the only chance to maintain our racial inheritance and to regain our political freedom and renew our German state.

Socialism is the doctrine of liberation for the working class. It promotes the rise of the fourth class and its incorporation in the political organism of our Fatherland, and is inextricably bound to breaking the present slavery and regaining German freedom. Socialism, therefore, is not merely a matter of the oppressed class, but a matter for everyone, for freeing the German people from slavery is the goal of contemporary policy. Socialism gains its true form only through a total fighting brotherhood with the forward-striving energies of a newly awakened nationalism.

Those Damned Nazis (1932)

Well that's me convinced.

Goebbels is a veritable by-word for straight taling honesty and in no way twisting the way you think.

Is this what it's come to? Holding up Goebbels as your star witness.

Ignore the fact that the nazis didn't seize control of the methods of production, actively cultivated a middle class, held up individual rights over equality and patriotism over fraternal working men's brotherhood and instead listen to nazi speeches.

I can quote you a speech in which Tony Blair claims to be a socialist, he sure as shit didn't act like one when he was ordering death to be rained down on Iraq or stealth privatising British inferstructure.

Nazi's lied, you seem not to realise this.

The Nazi's did not seize control of production? I guess that is true if you ignore the elephant in the room, the War in which they marched across the countries of Europe seizing everything from people to steel.

 

[bripat9643]

Unlike you who only presents your own opinion as fact?

I'm looking and reading and all I see is extreme nationalism in nazism, with a side order of blaming another group of people for a nation's ills. That right there is right wing in a nutshell.
They were far right, and no amount of thinking you're edgy and different for holding an opionion that is against commonly held wisdom will change that.

Link to your wikipedia, it is wikipedia presenting the argument not you, so link, it is a rule, if you quote you link, so follow the rules, so we can debate with wikipedia, you make for a poor messenger.

I didn't quote wikipedia, I only stated that wikipedia had nazism as being far right. It does, it says under nazism that it's a far right ideology. What I have quoted is me paraphrasing from long political pieces that I have found on google and as such requires no link.

I've just realised, you can't argue against the point because you're wrong and I'm right so you want to attack the source don't you.

Here's another socialist hero, Joesf Goebbels:

Why Are We Socialists?

We are socialists because we see in socialism,that is the union of all citizens, the only chance to maintain our racial inheritance and to regain our political freedom and renew our German state.

Socialism is the doctrine of liberation for the working class. It promotes the rise of the fourth class and its incorporation in the political organism of our Fatherland, and is inextricably bound to breaking the present slavery and regaining German freedom. Socialism, therefore, is not merely a matter of the oppressed class, but a matter for everyone, for freeing the German people from slavery is the goal of contemporary policy. Socialism gains its true form only through a total fighting brotherhood with the forward-striving energies of a newly awakened nationalism.

Those Damned Nazis (1932)

Well that's me convinced.

Goebbels is a veritable by-word for straight taling honesty and in no way twisting the way you think.

Is this what it's come to? Holding up Goebbels as your star witness.

Ignore the fact that the nazis didn't seize control of the methods of production, actively cultivated a middle class, held up individual rights over equality and patriotism over fraternal working men's brotherhood and instead listen to nazi speeches.

I can quote you a speech in which Tony Blair claims to be a socialist, he sure as shit didn't act like one when he was ordering death to be rained down on Iraq or stealth privatising British inferstructure.

Nazi's lied, you seem not to realise this.

The Nazi's did not seize control of production? I guess that is true if you ignore the elephant in the room, the War in which they marched across the countries of Europe seizing everything from people to steel.

The government of Nazi Germany regulated private industry to the point where corporate executives were little more than factory managers. All the business decisions were made by government bureaucrats. You can call that "private property," but a title is little more than a fiction when it doesn't give you any control over the property.

 

[william the wie]

I think some defining is needed national security is highly socialized worldwide and it's supporting industries as well:

Roads going back as far as can be measured. Other types of logistics such as canals are often included.

Central banks going back to the Dutch war of Independence. Peacetime use of same to stabilize the economy tends to produce dubious results.

Food safety and public health usually a good idea even in peacetime.

So, I think that there should be some sort of a national security exemption in this indictment of socialism.

 

[bripat9643]

I think some defining is needed national security is highly socialized worldwide and it's supporting industries as well:

Roads going back as far as can be measured. Other types of logistics such as canals are often included.

Central banks going back to the Dutch war of Independence. Peacetime use of same to stabilize the economy tends to produce dubious results.

Food safety and public health usually a good idea even in peacetime.

So, I think that there should be some sort of a national security exemption in this indictment of socialism.

Socialism is bad, period. There are no "exemptions."