Piss off, troll.
Democratic Socialism/Communism is the only solution to advanced automation & artificial intelligence.
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I've already responded to your stupid talking points on this thread in several posts, but for the sake of others, I will respond to your disingenuous claptrap.
Communists have never promised paradise, just something much better. Furthermore, with the advent of more advanced technology in the area of production and logistics, modern communism becomes even more viable, to the point of becoming a necessity as technology replaces wage-labor. Without wages, capitalism collapses, requiring socialism and then later communism to replace it. Socialism and later communism is the natural, inevitable successor of capitalism.
More, an economic, sociopolitical system isn't fully realized, until it is, and when it is, who will use such stupid objections as yours for its validity? Did the mercantile class of Europe dominate the royal, feudal aristocracy overnight? Did it take one swoop of the sword, for the anti-monarchist, republicans, who were funded by the merchant class, to replace the kings and queens of Europe?
Did the merchants become the dominant, ruling class of Europe in one century, in one single try, one war, one event? No. It took centuries of development, effort, bloodshed, growth..etc.
The Industrial Revolution allowed for the merchants to finally replace the royal and feudal aristocracy of Europe, as the dominant ruling class. It took a new technology and revolution in production for that to happen and today the same is true.
The problem is that you're a shithead, so you think communism has to replace capitalism within the time-frame that you've determined. But reality doesn't work that way, despite your disingenuous, bullshit demands. Advanced 21st century automation and artificial intelligence is to communism what the industrial revolution was for capitalism. Communism is the natural, inevitable successor of capitalism, just as capitalism was the system that replaced feudalism.
Oh no, not the stupid capitalist "human nature" argument. When will you brain-dead capitalist drones realize how dumb that argument is? Human beings were communists for tens of thousands of years.
Communism is more ingrained in our human nature than capitalism, a system of production that is only 220 years old, at best. We were tribal communists, hunter-gatherers, for at least 100 thousand years. Here are other traits of our human nature, that you capitalist bootlickers ignore:
Human nature is more aligned with communal and cooperative living than with the competitive, individualistic nature of capitalism.
- Cooperation: Human societies have historically thrived on cooperation. Early tribal communities worked together for hunting, gathering, and protection. This collective effort ensured survival and prosperity, highlighting the importance of working together rather than competing against one another.
- Solidarity: Human beings have a natural inclination towards forming bonds and supporting each other. In tribal and communal settings, solidarity was crucial for maintaining social harmony and addressing collective needs. This contrasts with capitalism's emphasis on individualism and competition.
- Empathy: Empathy drives humans to care for others and act in ways that benefit the community. In capitalist systems, the focus on profit often undermines empathetic actions, while in communal systems, empathy is a driving force for ensuring everyone's well-being.
- Altruism: Throughout history, acts of altruism have been fundamental in building and sustaining communities. People often help others without expecting anything in return, a trait that is more compatible with communal living than with capitalist ideologies that prioritize self-interest.
- Mutual Aid: Tribal societies operated on principles of mutual aid, where resources and support were shared to ensure the survival and success of the group. This concept of mutual aid is in stark contrast to the capitalist idea of survival of the fittest.
- Collective Responsibility: In many indigenous and tribal communities, there is a strong sense of collective responsibility, where everyone contributes to and takes responsibility for the community's welfare.
- Resource Sharing: Early human societies practiced resource sharing to ensure that everyone had access to necessities. This practice aligns with the communist principle of distributing resources according to need, as opposed to the capitalist principle of accumulating wealth for personal gain.
- Community-Oriented Mindset: Humans have a natural tendency to prioritize the community's needs over individual desires. This community-oriented mindset supports the idea that communal living and shared resources are more in tune with human nature than the competitive, profit-driven focus of capitalism.
- Fairness and Equality: Humans have an inherent sense of fairness and a desire for equality. Communal systems strive to ensure that everyone has equal access to resources and opportunities, while capitalism often leads to significant inequalities and social stratification.
- Sustainability: Communal living often emphasizes sustainable practices that benefit the community in the long term. In contrast, capitalism frequently promotes short-term gains at the expense of long-term sustainability, leading to environmental degradation and resource depletion.
Modern, high-tech communism is the objective and goal of socialism. The USSR was the Union Of Soviet Socialist Republics. Do you see the word "communist" there anywhere? The Soviets were a society moving, evolving towards high-tech, modern communism. Socialism is the process that leads to modern, "high-communism". The communism of our ancestors was "primitive communism" and the communism of the future is "high-communism" or high-tech communism.
Socialism has never failed, because even in the nations that are under "siege socialism", being economically embargoed and threatened with war (under siege) by the United States capitalist empire (the 800-pound gorilla in the room), such countries still manage to survive. The nations that apply socialist principles to their economies and politics, are the most developed, industrialized countries in the world.
Communism, whether primitive or modern, is a stateless society, without socioeconomic classes or the need for money. This is how it is defined by Marx and everyone else:
A communist society would entail the absence of private property and social classes,[1] and ultimately money[6] and the state (or nation state).[7][8][9]
Communism in the modern age has never been established. It will take advanced automation and artificial intelligence, to establish a true communist society, with a non-profit system of production. We are now at the advent of a new communist era.Communism - Wikipedia
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Older Americans are brainwashed by capitalist Cold War propaganda. The older Russians who lived in the USSR, for the most part, wish they could go back to the USSR:
Communist scholars - debating with capitalist-apologists:
That's a better description of capitalism, not council-communism/high-communism.
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Oddball
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Um, no it isn't....Corporate cronyism is defacto aggression in an otherwise volitional market.
You really know fuckall about not only basic macroecon, but semantics as well.
Oddball
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Watching commies choke on, then subsequently defect from, the obvious contradictions in their "reasoning".
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If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em....
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Um yes, it's endemic, because the capitalists are always looking for ways to control the government and pass laws that serve their vested interests, even at the expense of the public. You're just living in Lalaland.
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If the gubmint wasn't selling their monopoly power on aggression, the corporatists would have nothing to buy.
You're even dumber than I had already imagined....And that's saying something!
/—-/ Yeah, I read every word. Snicker.
Heres Cuba before and after Castro seized control.
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If the gubmint wasn't selling their monopoly power on aggression, the corporatists would have nothing to buy.
You're even dumber than I had already imagined....And that's saying something!
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The capitalists bribe politicians and pass laws that empower them at the expense of the public. You can pretend the capitalists didn't have a hand in that but they did, and communists will eliminate that.
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Lift the 60+ year economic embargo.
/—-/ As soon as the commies abandon Cuba and let the people live free.
Deal or no deal?
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The people are pro-communist in Cuba, and your tactic of torturing the people to punish communists, only makes the situation worse for the people you're supposedly trying to "rescue". It also undermines all of your silly arguments against communism not working or being disfunctional, when a capitalist empire is constantly besieging communism.
If communism is ineffective why are you so scared of it? Just let it fail on its own, but you can't do that, because you know that if you don't constantly attack it, it will develop and set the example for other countries to do the same.
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Do you have trouble reading for comprehension?
To repeat: If the politicians don't put the power up for bids, there's nothing for the corporatists to buy.
Like a martian trying to talk to a fucking fungo.
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/——/ Why, because they take over by force.
/——/ That’s why Cubans sail 99 miles through shark infested waters in makeshift rafts to escape Communism. What the heck are they thinking?
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Oddball, your argument that cronyism is a result of politicians selling themselves is disingenuous. In a democratic society, capitalists inherently use their vast resources to corrupt the government and pass laws that serve their interests at the expense of the public good. This dynamic isn't a flaw of the politicians alone but a systemic issue within capitalism itself.
Capitalism concentrates wealth and economic power in the hands of a few. This economic power seeks to preserve and expand itself by influencing political systems. As Marx and Engels pointed out, the state serves the interests of the ruling class, using its power to maintain control over the working class. Albert Einstein also highlighted in "Why Socialism?" that capitalism results in an "oligarchy of private capital," where a small group holds disproportionate control over the means of production and political institutions, leading to an erosion of democratic processes.
Cronyism is not a corruption of capitalism but an integral part of its functioning. The need for competitive accumulation leads large corporations to seek advantages through political influence. This mutual dependency between state and capital is inherent in capitalism, as businesses rely on state policies for favorable conditions, and states rely on large businesses for economic stability and competitiveness.
Jack Farmer argues in "The Myth of Crony Capitalism" that the competitive accumulation process naturally produces monopolies and the integration of states with large companies. Cronyism arises from the normal functioning of capitalism, not as an external aberration.
Capitalists also take control of the media and other institutions, which influence public perceptions, leading even the working class to support the very cronyism that enables capitalists to control politicians. Many working-class people support the Citizen's United decision, even though it gives wealthy capitalists the ability to invest heavily, to the tune of billions of dollars, to support their candidates through super PACs. They use money from their treasuries or corporate accounts to essentially bribe politicians when they run for office.
Einstein criticized the "economic anarchy" of capitalist society, where uncoordinated production and profit motives lead to cycles of boom and bust, unemployment, and social inequality. This chaotic system inherently creates conditions where those with economic power seek to stabilize their position through political means, perpetuating cronyism. The current economic mess was not simply a failure of regulation or greed but a result of capitalism's fundamental tendency to generate destructive crises.
Capitalists undermine democratic processes and use them to suppress democracy. They have an army of lobbyists legally bribing politicians, advancing their interests, and reminding politicians of the government policies they want passed through Congress. So, if we have a democracy, the wealthy capitalists will use their vast resources to corrupt it, always. To blame the government for that, and pretend that the capitalists have no hand in this, that they are innocent, is ridiculous.
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The argument is factual, your unprepossessing, dissembling, and borderline incoherent text brick notwithstanding.
In any transaction, there is a buyer and a seller....The State has the power of proactive aggression, and corporatists want that power turned to their advantage....The State doesn't put the power up for bids, there isn't an auction.
You're not 1/100th as clever as you obviously believe yourself to be.
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The numbers you cite about deaths under communism are largely conjured up by pro-capitalist propagandists. They're pulled out of thin air, without a shred of credible evidence.
When we consider the tens of millions of innocent people who died as a result of British imperialism alone, it dwarfs the number of people allegedly killed by communists. Let's look at the so-called "Black Book of Communism." Even some of the authors of this book disagreed with the 100 million figure. The main author used absurd metrics, such as counting deaths from Nazi Germany in WWII and even the babies that weren't born in the USSR that would have been born if not for communism. These ridiculous standards make their death tolls highly suspect.
Furthermore, many scholars today dispute the high figures of people who died in the gulags or during the famine in China. These high figures are not universally accepted and are often challenged by historians who have studied these periods in detail.
On the other hand, capitalism, particularly British colonialism and imperialism, led by profit-pursuing capitalists like the East India Company, resulted in the deaths of tens of millions of people. Capitalist reforms in India, for instance, led to millions dying in famines. The British-imposed opium trade in China killed millions. Millions also died in Kenya due to British colonial policies. And this is just British imperialism—French, Spanish, and other European empires, driven by the pursuit of profit and wealth, also caused untold deaths and suffering.
Consider the slave trade, which was an entirely capitalist venture, leading to the deaths of millions of Africans and the destruction of countless lives and communities. How many people died in famines as a direct result of capitalist policies that prioritized profit over human life? How many died in wars fueled by capitalist interests?
So, when you talk about deaths, it's crucial to recognize that capitalism, through its imperialist and colonial ventures, has caused an enormous amount of death and suffering.
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