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Democratic Lawmakers Sign onto Letter to Ignore Parliamentarian, Ram Through Immigration in Reconciliation

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Maoists gonna Mao.

This awful amnesty is war on America and Americans.


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Not surprisingly, House Democrats in question include squad members like Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY).



The letter emphasizes that the current proposals are only forms of "temporary" relief.



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Immigration judges are under the purview of the DoJ.

 

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Maoists gonna Mao.

This awful amnesty is war on America and Americans.


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Not surprisingly, House Democrats in question include squad members like Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY).
The letter emphasizes that the current proposals are only forms of "temporary" relief.
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They know that they are going to get their asses handed to them next year so they are going to ram as much in as they can. The gutless GOP needs to file lawsuit after lawsuit in friendly federal courts to slow it down until they can swear in a new Congress.
 

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ex: what you are describing has been the hope, dream & total ambition of the groupie minded folks going clear back to the beginning of humanity, OR @ least 'close' to the beginning of the first humans. The groupie mentality has a serious fatal flaw to it & that is that humans are NOT able to function properly in a 'hive mentality' commune type of environment. People are individuals & can/do get quite violent(BLM/antifa) when pressured by authoritative power player individuals(narcissists). Global humanity is on a fast track to a human induced cataclysmic global catastrophe the like that has never been seen before by humans. Technology is definitely a two edged sword, & when combined with ignorance of the masses about the human condition(human nature) there is no chance of a united global humanity(one world g'ment) sailing into communalistic bliss. As T-2 once said to the kid: "It's in your NATURE to destroy yourselves".

 

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They know that they are going to get their asses handed to them next year so they are going to ram as much in as they can. The gutless GOP needs to file lawsuit after lawsuit in friendly federal courts to slow it down until they can swear in a new Congress.
Dw: You got that right about the "gutless GOP". I have been warning my fellow Americans since 1983 about the RepubliCratic Duopoly Party(RCDP) but the the groupie communalists among our fellow Americans have no clue about the current state of the human condition(human nature), as most Americans seem to be blinded by the problems associated with the hive mentality.
 

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Ignoring the parliamentarian likely would get the whole thing thrown out on the first challenge. Reconciliation can only be used on budget items. Mass amnesty and giveaways to illegals certainly don’t fit in there.
Lol. Why? What sort of power do you think the parliamentarian has other than the power given to it by congressional tradition?
 

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Dw: You got that right about the "gutless GOP". I have been warning my fellow Americans since 1983 about the RepubliCratic Duopoly Party(RCDP) but the the groupie communalists among our fellow Americans have no clue about the current state of the human condition(human nature), as most Americans seem to be blinded by the problems associated with the hive mentality.

The term Uniparty cuts to the chase.
 

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Lol. Why? What sort of power do you think the parliamentarian has other than the power given to it by congressional tradition?
She has power, not from tradition, but her authority comes from the Standing Rules of the US Senate. They can move to amend the rules if they like.

With that said, in this case the parlimentarian is simply advising them on the LAW, the law out lined in the Reconciliation process, in particular the Byrd Amendment, named after Dem leader, mentor to Xiden, and Klan leader, Robert Byrd....that provision of the law states you can't use Reconciliation in 6 cases:

  1. if it does not produce a change in outlays or revenues;
  2. if it produces an outlay increase or revenue decrease when the instructed committee is not in compliance with its instructions;
  3. if it is outside the jurisdiction of the committee that submitted the title or provision for inclusion in the reconciliation measure;
  4. if it produces a change in outlays or revenues which is merely incidental to the nonbudgetary components of the provision;
  5. if it would increase the deficit for a fiscal year beyond those covered by the reconciliation measure (usually a period of 10 years);[c] or
  6. if it recommends changes in Social Security.
 

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She has power, not from tradition, but her authority comes from the Standing Rules of the US Senate. They can move to amend the rules if they like.
Right. In other words she has no power the supercedes the Senate and in fact all her power is granted to her by the Senate and they can ultimately do whatever the fuck they want.
With that said, in this case the parlimentarian is simply advising them on the LAW, the law out lined in the Reconciliation process, in particular the Byrd Amendment, named after Dem leader, mentor to Xiden, and Klan leader, Robert Byrd....that provision of the law states you can't use Reconciliation in 6 cases:
Let me stop you right there because it isn't called the Byrd Law it's called the Byrd Rule and like the parliamentarian this is simply another procedure adopted by the Senate that they have the power to eliminate or amend at their will.
 

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Right. In other words she has no power the supercedes the Senate and in fact all her power is granted to her by the Senate and they can ultimately do whatever the fuck they want.

Let me stop you right there because it isn't called the Byrd Law it's called the Byrd Rule and like the parliamentarian this is simply another procedure adopted by the Senate that they have the power to eliminate or amend at their will.
Yes the Senate can change the rules

It’s the Byrd Amendment to a law. It is law. The law has to be changed.
 

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It's a law that the Senate can change any time it wants right?
of course the senate can try to change to change laws anytime…but they need the house, then the president to sign off on it to make it law
 

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of course the senate can try to change to change laws anytime…but they need the house, then the president to sign off on it to make it law
Which Democrats have. There really is no reason we are still beholden to the Byrd Rule save for the weakness of moderate Democrats.
 

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Lol. Why? What sort of power do you think the parliamentarian has other than the power given to it by congressional tradition?
The actual rules surrounding use of reconciliation. Which the parliamentarian informs the Senate of. Ignore those at the peril of having the courts slap it down.
 

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In blow to Democrats, Senate parliamentarian strikes immigration from Build Back Better​

16 Dec 2021 ~~ By Susan Ferrechio
The Senate parliamentarian dealt a significant blow to Democrats seeking to pass a $1.85 trillion social welfare and green energy bill, ruling that the measure cannot include a provision that would legalize millions of workers now living illegally in the United States.
Parliamentarian Elizabeth MacDonough told Democrats the legalization language extended too many rights to conform with special rules governing what can be included in the legislation, Majority Whip Richard Durbin, an Illinois Democrat, said Thursday.
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Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer said Thursday that Democrats are not giving up.
“We strongly disagree with the Senate parliamentarian’s interpretation of our immigration proposal, and we will pursue every means to achieve a path to citizenship in the Build Back Better Act,” Schumer said in a joint statement with several other Democrats. “The majority of Americans support our efforts to provide legal status for millions of undocumented immigrants in the United States because it would raise wages, create good-paying jobs, enrich our economy, and improve the lives of all Americans.”

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Chuck Schumer, the most vile and venal in a parliament of whores, makes Senate Parliamentarian the Scapegoat for Progressive Marxt/DSA Democrat Commie failures by deliberately Breaking the Rules and Feigning Shock and Outrage when Predictably Caught.
According to PM/DSA Dem's they don't need Parliamentarians to tell them what is right. Neither do they need a Constitution and Bill of Rights to weigh them down in their process to destroy America.
PM/DSA Dem Commies will do whatever it takes to bring down 'America the Beautiful'.
I wonder what they’ll do here to threaten her, but she needs to keep her family safe from those people.
 

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demafacist just have a hard time with those silly rules…they continue to get in the way of the demafascist take over
 

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