Democrat racism...disarm young men who are minorities...when will democrats stop with the racism...

[2aguy]

But law abiding citizens could not own guns in the city of Chicago......it was against the law......except the killings keep happening because criminals don't obey any laws including stupid ones......France is an even better example they do have a total ban....they don't have gun stores...all guns are illegal, 30 round magazines are illegal, and fully automatic rifles, rocket propelled grenades and hand grenades....all highly illegal in France....and still 3 terrorists, one a convicted criminal and 2 on government terrorist watch lists still got them....everything they wanted.....

Look, I realize that you live in mortal fear someone might take away your Penis compensation, but the reality is- france has a really, really low murder rate because most people don't have guns.

No, you are wrong.....they have a low murder rate due to history and culture....obviously their criminals can get any gun they want......anytime they want....3 French terrorists got fully automatic rifles, 30 round magazines, pistols, hand grenades and a rocket propelled grenade launcher......their criminals don't use guns as often as ours do and again, it is our criminals doing the majority of the killing with guns over here in small areas of inner cities....

One of the terrorists....a convicted criminal, he and his brother were both on the governments terrorist watch list....they crossed the border into Belgium and got their guns...and hand grenades and man portable rocket propelled grenade....so please...don't tell me they can't get guns in France....a country with tighter gun control than we have and they still got military grade weapons....when they wanted them and crossed the border freely to do it....

Guns aren't the problem....the criminals using them to kill are.....

 

[2aguy]

But law abiding citizens could not own guns in the city of Chicago......it was against the law......except the killings keep happening because criminals don't obey any laws including stupid ones......France is an even better example they do have a total ban....they don't have gun stores...all guns are illegal, 30 round magazines are illegal, and fully automatic rifles, rocket propelled grenades and hand grenades....all highly illegal in France....and still 3 terrorists, one a convicted criminal and 2 on government terrorist watch lists still got them....everything they wanted.....

Look, I realize that you live in mortal fear someone might take away your Penis compensation, but the reality is- france has a really, really low murder rate because most people don't have guns.

Dittos Puerto Rico....it is an island.....no borders with Cicero Illinois....and they have stricter gun control than the rest of the Continental U.S. and they have one of the highest gun murder rates in the world........again...their criminals want guns to kill people so they use guns to kill people....culture....not guns are the problem.....

Mexico....absolute gun control....for law abiding citizens....not so much for corrupt military, police and the drug cartels....again....culture....

Chicago....a few small block areas are killing fields....the rest of the city is violence free.....culture, not guns....

 

[JoeB131]

No, you are wrong.....they have a low murder rate due to history and culture....obviously their criminals can get any gun they want......anytime they want....3 French terrorists got fully automatic rifles, 30 round magazines, pistols, hand grenades and a rocket propelled grenade launcher......

And it took a major league terrorist network to provide those things. Just like it took a major league terrorist network to pull off 9/11.

Point is, France has something like 300 Gun deaths to our 11,000. They are getting it right, we are getting it wrong.

 

[JoeB131]

Mexico....absolute gun control....for law abiding citizens....not so much for corrupt military, police and the drug cartels....again....culture....

Mexico doesn't have "gun control". In fact, Mexico has a second amendment just like we do, promising people they can own guns.

What they do have are gun shops in Arizona that will pretty much sell you a small arsenal if you come in wearing your gang colors.

 

[2aguy]

No, you are wrong.....they have a low murder rate due to history and culture....obviously their criminals can get any gun they want......anytime they want....3 French terrorists got fully automatic rifles, 30 round magazines, pistols, hand grenades and a rocket propelled grenade launcher......

And it took a major league terrorist network to provide those things. Just like it took a major league terrorist network to pull off 9/11.

Point is, France has something like 300 Gun deaths to our 11,000. They are getting it right, we are getting it wrong.

Um...no....our murder rate is about the same as theirs....8-9000 per 320 million people....vs 300 and whatever Frances population is.....

and that is only one side of the equation....

1.6 million times a year law abiding citizens in the U.S. stop violent criminal attack and save lives.... vs. ....8-9,000 gun murders confined to a few small block killing fields in inner cities......there is a thread on this.....

1,6000 people responsible for gun murder statistics in Chicago...a city of 2,718,000 people......again....we don't have a problem....very tiny neighborhoods in democrat controlled cities have a problem...the U.S. doesn't....

 

[2aguy]

Mexico....absolute gun control....for law abiding citizens....not so much for corrupt military, police and the drug cartels....again....culture....

Mexico doesn't have "gun control". In fact, Mexico has a second amendment just like we do, promising people they can own guns.

What they do have are gun shops in Arizona that will pretty much sell you a small arsenal if you come in wearing your gang colors.

Again....Mexico has strict gun control....

Mexico s gun control laws A model for the United States - The Washington Post

The article begins with an examination of the right to arms in the Mexican Constitution, and of predecessor versions of that right. Former versions recognized a right to carry, but the current version recognizes only a right in the home. In practice, the Mexican government ignores the right.

The next part of the article details the operation of Mexico’s federal gun control statute, which dates from 1972. The statute itself is very strict, and enforcement tends to be oppressive and corrupt. Accordingly, many Mexicans obtain firearms outside of the very narrow channels (only one legal gun store in the entire country) which the government permits.

You have to download his paper on the topic....

 

[2aguy]

Mexico....absolute gun control....for law abiding citizens....not so much for corrupt military, police and the drug cartels....again....culture....

Mexico doesn't have "gun control". In fact, Mexico has a second amendment just like we do, promising people they can own guns.

What they do have are gun shops in Arizona that will pretty much sell you a small arsenal if you come in wearing your gang colors.

What they do have are gun shops in Arizona that will pretty much sell you a small arsenal if you come in wearing your gang colors

Sorry, not happening......unless it is eric holder making them sell guns to drug cartels like in Fast and Furious....

 

[JoeB131]

Um...no....our murder rate is about the same as theirs....8-9000 per 320 million people....vs 300 and whatever Frances population is.....

Guy, if you don't know what France's population is, you shouldn't be having the argument.

Okay, let me help you out here. France had 743 murders in 2011. A murder rate of 1.2 per 100,000 people. Of those, only 127 were committed with guns.

Guns in France Firearms gun law and gun control

The United States had 15,953 homicides in 2011. That was a murder rate of 5.1 per 100,000. Of those, 11,101 were committed with guns.

Guns in the United States Firearms gun law and gun control

(The US rate dropped in 2012, but I don't have comparable figures for France for 2012, so 2011 it is.)

No, guy. France has a much lower crime rate because they don't let every asshole have a gun.

 

[2aguy]

Um...no....our murder rate is about the same as theirs....8-9000 per 320 million people....vs 300 and whatever Frances population is.....

Guy, if you don't know what France's population is, you shouldn't be having the argument.

Okay, let me help you out here. France had 743 murders in 2011. A murder rate of 1.2 per 100,000 people. Of those, only 127 were committed with guns.

Guns in France Firearms gun law and gun control

The United States had 15,953 homicides in 2011. That was a murder rate of 5.1 per 100,000. Of those, 11,101 were committed with guns.

Guns in the United States Firearms gun law and gun control

(The US rate dropped in 2012, but I don't have comparable figures for France for 2012, so 2011 it is.)

No, guy. France has a much lower crime rate because they don't let every asshole have a gun.

Guy...they can't stop terrorists on government terrorist watch lists from getting fully automatic weapons in Belgium....and Belgium can't stop it either.....

French criminals don't use guns because they don't choose to use guns....ask them why not......they can get guns when they want them or need them....as was just shown....for about 5 grand for the whole military package of rifles, pistols, hand grenades and a rocket propelled grenade.......it must have been a deal for terrorists that week.....

Puerto Rico.....an island nation has stricter gun control laws than the Continental United States......and has one of the highest gun murder rates in the world.........so their criminals want guns...they have to cross an ocean to get them.......and they still get them......because they want them.......

 

[2aguy]

No, you are wrong.....they have a low murder rate due to history and culture....obviously their criminals can get any gun they want......anytime they want....3 French terrorists got fully automatic rifles, 30 round magazines, pistols, hand grenades and a rocket propelled grenade launcher......

And it took a major league terrorist network to provide those things. Just like it took a major league terrorist network to pull off 9/11.

Point is, France has something like 300 Gun deaths to our 11,000. They are getting it right, we are getting it wrong.

Sorry....it wasn't a major league terrorist network.....Belgium has a gun smuggling problem...as does France now....they can't stop guns from coming in anymore.......their criminals are changing their attitudes.....

 

[2aguy]

the gun smuggling problem in France......

This story tracks gun smuggling in Europe.....lots of it....

European Police Face Being Outgunned by Jihadists WIth Assault Rifles

Despite the Paris attacks, it seems the weapons are still flowing freely through Europe. Brian Donald, chief of staff for Europol, which coordinates cross-border actions among police forces in the E.U.’s 28 countries, says there have been two “large seizures” of assault weapons in Europe during the past two weeks, but would not give details about where they were, since the investigations were still ongoing. In all, he says police had seized “several vanloads of 30 or 40 weapons at a time,” during the past few weeks, including “AK-47s, Scorpions, handguns and semiautomatic rifles.”

Coulibaly, a French-born Muslim with Malian parents, made the deal near the Brussels Midi train station, a major railway hub that connects Western Europe’s biggest cities, after taking out a €6,000 loan from the French financial services firm Cofidis using false information about his income, which went unchecked.

Some international terrorist network.......

But although the police quickly traced the weapons source in the Paris attacks, stopping criminals and other jihadist cells in Europe from acquiring assault weapons for further attacks might not be so easy, according to police officials.

Many of the weapons circulating in Europe hail from southeastern Europe, where big military arsenals were left abandoned during the collapse of Yugoslavia and the Balkan wars of the 1990s. At least a million other weapons are believed to have been looted during an outbreak of anarchy in Albania in 1997. “There are stockpiles in the Balkans of 2 [million] to 3 million [weapons] left over from the 1990s, available for recycling,” says Donald.

French police believe rifles are on sale in French cities for between €1,000 and €1,500. Earlier this month, Philippe Capon, head of the French police union UNSA, told Bloomberg News, “The French black market for weapons has been inundated with eastern European war artillery and arms.” A French police source told TIME that the weapons from the Charlie Hebdo attack came from the Balkans.

That is not the only source of weaponry. Donald says he fears that the continent might be facing a fresh influx of weapons from North Africa in the wake of the Arab Spring revolts. In August, 2011, Libyan rebels looted large quantities of mortars, tank shells and other munitions when Moammar Gaddafi’s regime collapsed. Although most of those weapons are believed to have filtered across North and West Africa, some could also have made their way to Europe.

 

[JoeB131]

Guy, no one is going to take your penis surrogate.

Yet.

 

[2aguy]

Guy, no one is going to take your penis surrogate.

Yet.

What is it with you irrational anti gun nuts and penis references......see....those on my side of the argument know the difference between a penis and a pistol.....we have the internet...you should look it up because that kind of confusion could kill someone.....in a most awkward way.....

 

[JoeB131]

Guy, no one is going to take your penis surrogate.

Yet.

What is it with you irrational anti gun nuts and penis references......see....those on my side of the argument know the difference between a penis and a pistol.....we have the internet...you should look it up because that kind of confusion could kill someone.....in a most awkward way.....

Guy, I don't think your side understands the difference. I really do think most of you are compensating for your shortcomings.

And, yes, an impotent nutter with a gun is always a dangerous thing. Especially when they make up their own facts like France is more dangerous than the US.

 

[danielpalos]

Wow, the best argument for gun control is to let the gun nuts talk and show us how crazy they are.

How's that "gun control" thingie working up there on the streets of Chicago?

Wouldn't know. It's never been tried.

Chicago tried gun control for decades...no gun allowed, no gun stores...and it actually worked, not one law abiding citizen had a gun for protection.....and criminals simply ignored it......pro 2nd amendment people keep pointing out that this is what happens with "gun control" laws but the irrational anti gun nuts won't listen......

Uh, no, we really didn't.

We banned gun stores, and the guns stores just set up shop in Cicero and River Forest and kept selling guns.

There was never a total ban on guns in Chicago and no one went house to house looking for them.

But law abiding citizens could not own guns in the city of Chicago......it was against the law......except the killings keep happening because criminals don't obey any laws including stupid ones......France is an even better example they do have a total ban....they don't have gun stores...all guns are illegal, 30 round magazines are illegal, and fully automatic rifles, rocket propelled grenades and hand grenades....all highly illegal in France....and still 3 terrorists, one a convicted criminal and 2 on government terrorist watch lists still got them....everything they wanted.....

But....gun control in France worked....not one victim, not one witness to the killings had a gun.....only the killers did.....

So....you guys could call that a success...right Joe....?

Puerto Rico...same thing...the strictest gun control laws in the United States and it's terrritories, they are an Island nation, isolated by oceans from Cicero...and River Forest, and they have one of the highest gun murder rates in the world...

So tell me again how any stupid gun control laws reduce gun violence.......the only reason, the only reason they don't have more gun crime in Europe and these other countries is that their criminals don't do more......that's it....they have access to any guns they want....obviously France shows this, they have for some reason decided not to use them........

We have a Second Amendment. It is part of our supreme law of the land. Only gun lovers don't love their republic enough to muster to become well regulated.