CDZ Democrat Party and Taxation

[Oldestyle]

Reaganomics was right from the very beginning. Tax cuts have a beneficial effect on working people every time they are used. The same people who came up with 'trickle down economy' are the ones who say milk and math are racist. The media is arguing that the government squandering hard earned money is a great thing. The biggest lie is that tax cuts don't work, the second biggest lie is that only the rich benefit from them. More layers of government and less individual choices is very hard to defend. Again, huge government programs are possible, but most are just as atrocious as the ACA. Not only is it reasonable for conservatives to question how tax money is spent, but the exodus from poorly run blue states accentuates this point.

you don't know that St Ronnie passed the largest peace time tax increase in history do you?

Do you know that Reagan passed that tax increase on the wealthy by closing loopholes and limiting deductions? It wasn't so much that Reagan increased taxes...what he did was make it harder for the wealthy to avoid paying taxes! That was after dropping the top rate from 70% to 28%! So basically, Reagan revamped the tax code. He gave the wealthy an incentive to invest while at the same time making it harder for them to get out of paying taxes.

the result was in increase in tax revenues that off set any tax cuts. He broadened the base.

REagan actually raised capital gains taxes

FLASHBACK: Reagan Raised Capital Gains Taxes To The Same Level As Wage Taxes For First Time

archive.thinkprogress.org

Tax revenues as I recall were almost exactly the same as when Carter was in office. As I said before...Reagan essentially revamped the tax code.

 

[Oldestyle]

Don't use Think Progress as a source...it would be hard to find a more biased site!

 

[Blues Man]

Reaganomics was right from the very beginning. Tax cuts have a beneficial effect on working people every time they are used. The same people who came up with 'trickle down economy' are the ones who say milk and math are racist. The media is arguing that the government squandering hard earned money is a great thing. The biggest lie is that tax cuts don't work, the second biggest lie is that only the rich benefit from them. More layers of government and less individual choices is very hard to defend. Again, huge government programs are possible, but most are just as atrocious as the ACA. Not only is it reasonable for conservatives to question how tax money is spent, but the exodus from poorly run blue states accentuates this point.

you don't know that St Ronnie passed the largest peace time tax increase in history do you?

Do you know that Reagan passed that tax increase on the wealthy by closing loopholes and limiting deductions? It wasn't so much that Reagan increased taxes...what he did was make it harder for the wealthy to avoid paying taxes! That was after dropping the top rate from 70% to 28%! So basically, Reagan revamped the tax code. He gave the wealthy an incentive to invest while at the same time making it harder for them to get out of paying taxes.

the result was in increase in tax revenues that off set any tax cuts. He broadened the base.

REagan actually raised capital gains taxes

FLASHBACK: Reagan Raised Capital Gains Taxes To The Same Level As Wage Taxes For First Time

archive.thinkprogress.org

Tax revenues as I recall were almost exactly the same as when Carter was in office. As I said before...Reagan essentially revamped the tax code.

and still passed the largest peacetime tax hikes in history.

the net result was not that people paid any less in taxes they just paid it by a different avenue

 

[Oldestyle]

Reaganomics was right from the very beginning. Tax cuts have a beneficial effect on working people every time they are used. The same people who came up with 'trickle down economy' are the ones who say milk and math are racist. The media is arguing that the government squandering hard earned money is a great thing. The biggest lie is that tax cuts don't work, the second biggest lie is that only the rich benefit from them. More layers of government and less individual choices is very hard to defend. Again, huge government programs are possible, but most are just as atrocious as the ACA. Not only is it reasonable for conservatives to question how tax money is spent, but the exodus from poorly run blue states accentuates this point.

you don't know that St Ronnie passed the largest peace time tax increase in history do you?

Do you know that Reagan passed that tax increase on the wealthy by closing loopholes and limiting deductions? It wasn't so much that Reagan increased taxes...what he did was make it harder for the wealthy to avoid paying taxes! That was after dropping the top rate from 70% to 28%! So basically, Reagan revamped the tax code. He gave the wealthy an incentive to invest while at the same time making it harder for them to get out of paying taxes.

the result was in increase in tax revenues that off set any tax cuts. He broadened the base.

REagan actually raised capital gains taxes

FLASHBACK: Reagan Raised Capital Gains Taxes To The Same Level As Wage Taxes For First Time

archive.thinkprogress.org

Tax revenues as I recall were almost exactly the same as when Carter was in office. As I said before...Reagan essentially revamped the tax code.

and still passed the largest peacetime tax hikes in history.

the net result was not that people paid any less in taxes they just paid it by a different avenue

LOL...so when you lower tax rates and then raise tax rates...have you REALLY passed the largest peacetime tax hike in history? I know that you on the left want to paint it that way but common sense tells me different! So does the level of tax revenues that were raised!

 

[Blues Man]

Reaganomics was right from the very beginning. Tax cuts have a beneficial effect on working people every time they are used. The same people who came up with 'trickle down economy' are the ones who say milk and math are racist. The media is arguing that the government squandering hard earned money is a great thing. The biggest lie is that tax cuts don't work, the second biggest lie is that only the rich benefit from them. More layers of government and less individual choices is very hard to defend. Again, huge government programs are possible, but most are just as atrocious as the ACA. Not only is it reasonable for conservatives to question how tax money is spent, but the exodus from poorly run blue states accentuates this point.

you don't know that St Ronnie passed the largest peace time tax increase in history do you?

Do you know that Reagan passed that tax increase on the wealthy by closing loopholes and limiting deductions? It wasn't so much that Reagan increased taxes...what he did was make it harder for the wealthy to avoid paying taxes! That was after dropping the top rate from 70% to 28%! So basically, Reagan revamped the tax code. He gave the wealthy an incentive to invest while at the same time making it harder for them to get out of paying taxes.

the result was in increase in tax revenues that off set any tax cuts. He broadened the base.

REagan actually raised capital gains taxes

FLASHBACK: Reagan Raised Capital Gains Taxes To The Same Level As Wage Taxes For First Time

archive.thinkprogress.org

Tax revenues as I recall were almost exactly the same as when Carter was in office. As I said before...Reagan essentially revamped the tax code.

and still passed the largest peacetime tax hikes in history.

the net result was not that people paid any less in taxes they just paid it by a different avenue

LOL...so when you lower tax rates and then raise tax rates...have you REALLY passed the largest peacetime tax hike in history? I know that you on the left want to paint it that way but common sense tells me different! So does the level of tax revenues that were raised!

I'm not on the left or the right.

and I don't think that income taxes are the only taxes.

you can thank St Ronnie for doubling the amount self employed people pay Social Security taxes. before Ronnie self employed people only payed in the employer portion

bet you didn't know that did you? Those were part of the tax hikes Reagan passed that were not tied to income tax brackets.

 

[Oldestyle]

Reaganomics was right from the very beginning. Tax cuts have a beneficial effect on working people every time they are used. The same people who came up with 'trickle down economy' are the ones who say milk and math are racist. The media is arguing that the government squandering hard earned money is a great thing. The biggest lie is that tax cuts don't work, the second biggest lie is that only the rich benefit from them. More layers of government and less individual choices is very hard to defend. Again, huge government programs are possible, but most are just as atrocious as the ACA. Not only is it reasonable for conservatives to question how tax money is spent, but the exodus from poorly run blue states accentuates this point.

you don't know that St Ronnie passed the largest peace time tax increase in history do you?

Do you know that Reagan passed that tax increase on the wealthy by closing loopholes and limiting deductions? It wasn't so much that Reagan increased taxes...what he did was make it harder for the wealthy to avoid paying taxes! That was after dropping the top rate from 70% to 28%! So basically, Reagan revamped the tax code. He gave the wealthy an incentive to invest while at the same time making it harder for them to get out of paying taxes.

the result was in increase in tax revenues that off set any tax cuts. He broadened the base.

REagan actually raised capital gains taxes

FLASHBACK: Reagan Raised Capital Gains Taxes To The Same Level As Wage Taxes For First Time

archive.thinkprogress.org

Tax revenues as I recall were almost exactly the same as when Carter was in office. As I said before...Reagan essentially revamped the tax code.

and still passed the largest peacetime tax hikes in history.

the net result was not that people paid any less in taxes they just paid it by a different avenue

LOL...so when you lower tax rates and then raise tax rates...have you REALLY passed the largest peacetime tax hike in history? I know that you on the left want to paint it that way but common sense tells me different! So does the level of tax revenues that were raised!

I'm not on the left or the right.

and I don't think that income taxes are the only taxes.

you can thank St Ronnie for doubling the amount self employed people pay Social Security taxes. before Ronnie self employed people only payed in the employer portion

bet you didn't know that did you? Those were part of the tax hikes Reagan passed that were not tied to income tax brackets.

I was one of the people who saw that increase so yes I was very aware of it. A tax increase that made perfect sense to me quite frankly! Why would I expect to pay half the amount into Social Security and get the full amount out?

 

[Oldestyle]

If you'll recall at the time that SS tax was increased...the "experts" were calling for Social Security to run out of funds about twenty years down the road. What Reagan did was able to push that crisis down the road a little further!

 

[Donald H]

The concept of 'FREE' money fits right in with this topic. In Canada we receive a lot more free money than Americans do and that's directly related to democracy and taxation. In America's case, more taxation by the Democratic party.

Taxation is good! That's a general principle that can't be argued. And when taxes are applied correctly and fairly to both the richest and the poorest, the later result is FREE money. Canadians can talk from experience, as we have the highest 'quality of life' in the entire world. This is due to equitable taxation of the people in good times so that the FREE money can flow back to the people in hard times.

And so why would any American talk in a derogatory way about taxation?

Isn't the real problem the lack of equitable taxation of the wealthiest? Can it be equitable when two of the top billionaires have the equivalent of half the country's poorest people?

The FREE money in that instance is the money the billionaires were permitted to earn without having to pay their bills to the people who earned it for them, and they also didn't pay the bill to the country that provided them the opportunity to earn their huge hordes of money.

Ask me how it works Americans. It's been kept a secret from the American people for far too long!

The wealthy get soaked like a garden hose, and half the country pays no income tax. It is rational to wonder how earned money is getting spent. As previous posts have stated, blue states harvest taxes in every way imaginable, and the schools and the roads are still terrible. That is why middle class people are leaving those states, which will create an interesting downward spiral of these tax heavy areas.

People and more importantly BUSINESSES are leaving New York City and California like never before! Goldman Sachs is in the process of moving it's headquarters from New York City to Florida. It's a move that is estimated to cost NYC 8 billion dollars! That's just one company. Think of all the others that have already gone out of business or have already moved to a more business friendly State! Liberals are about to wake up to the realization that their policies have created economic "dead zones" throughout the nation and people are fleeing those areas in droves!

I don't know about New York but I know that California is a highly attractive state to live in. I'm comparing it to some of the ugly christian dust bowl states.

People who can afford to live in California will stay there and those that can't afford it will have either leave or get used to having to pay for the privilege.

And fwiw, Oregon and Washington state are also very desirable places to live. Go figure!

Raise the issue again when California gives a sh-t what redneck whiners do.

 

[Donald H]

Why would I expect to pay half the amount into Social Security and get the full amount out?

That's what 90% or more Canadians expect and get. They pay into s.s. for the good of the whole and never collect back out of it. That's how insurance of any kind works and it's the reason why US health care is so expensive. You pay the way for big insurance companies who have no interest in anybody's health care.

 

[Oldestyle]

The concept of 'FREE' money fits right in with this topic. In Canada we receive a lot more free money than Americans do and that's directly related to democracy and taxation. In America's case, more taxation by the Democratic party.

Taxation is good! That's a general principle that can't be argued. And when taxes are applied correctly and fairly to both the richest and the poorest, the later result is FREE money. Canadians can talk from experience, as we have the highest 'quality of life' in the entire world. This is due to equitable taxation of the people in good times so that the FREE money can flow back to the people in hard times.

And so why would any American talk in a derogatory way about taxation?

Isn't the real problem the lack of equitable taxation of the wealthiest? Can it be equitable when two of the top billionaires have the equivalent of half the country's poorest people?

The FREE money in that instance is the money the billionaires were permitted to earn without having to pay their bills to the people who earned it for them, and they also didn't pay the bill to the country that provided them the opportunity to earn their huge hordes of money.

Ask me how it works Americans. It's been kept a secret from the American people for far too long!

The wealthy get soaked like a garden hose, and half the country pays no income tax. It is rational to wonder how earned money is getting spent. As previous posts have stated, blue states harvest taxes in every way imaginable, and the schools and the roads are still terrible. That is why middle class people are leaving those states, which will create an interesting downward spiral of these tax heavy areas.

People and more importantly BUSINESSES are leaving New York City and California like never before! Goldman Sachs is in the process of moving it's headquarters from New York City to Florida. It's a move that is estimated to cost NYC 8 billion dollars! That's just one company. Think of all the others that have already gone out of business or have already moved to a more business friendly State! Liberals are about to wake up to the realization that their policies have created economic "dead zones" throughout the nation and people are fleeing those areas in droves!

I don't know about New York but I know that California is a highly attractive state to live in. I'm comparing it to some of the ugly christian dust bowl states.

People who can afford to live in California will stay there and those that can't afford it will have either leave or get used to having to pay for the privilege.

And fwiw, Oregon and Washington state are also very desirable places to live. Go figure!

Raise the issue again when California gives a sh-t what redneck whiners do.

California IS a beautiful State! I completely agree with that. What you'll have to explain then is why more people are LEAVING a beautiful place like California than are going there! Only one reason I can think of...liberal policies have made California an undesirable place to live. Have you ever been to Texas? It doesn't compare to Cali when it comes to beauty yet companies and individuals are leaving California for Texas in DROVES!

 

[Oldestyle]

Why would I expect to pay half the amount into Social Security and get the full amount out?

That's what 90% or more Canadians expect and get. They pay into s.s. for the good of the whole and never collect back out of it. That's how insurance of any kind works and it's the reason why US health care is so expensive. You pay the way for big insurance companies who have no interest in anybody's health care.

You don't seem to grasp what I was saying! Here in the US if you own your own business and pay into SS you have to pay both the employees part and the business owners part. It has nothing to do with the cost of health insurance or insurance companies.

 

[DustyInfinity]

The concept of 'FREE' money fits right in with this topic. In Canada we receive a lot more free money than Americans do and that's directly related to democracy and taxation. In America's case, more taxation by the Democratic party.

Taxation is good! That's a general principle that can't be argued. And when taxes are applied correctly and fairly to both the richest and the poorest, the later result is FREE money. Canadians can talk from experience, as we have the highest 'quality of life' in the entire world. This is due to equitable taxation of the people in good times so that the FREE money can flow back to the people in hard times.

And so why would any American talk in a derogatory way about taxation?

Isn't the real problem the lack of equitable taxation of the wealthiest? Can it be equitable when two of the top billionaires have the equivalent of half the country's poorest people?

The FREE money in that instance is the money the billionaires were permitted to earn without having to pay their bills to the people who earned it for them, and they also didn't pay the bill to the country that provided them the opportunity to earn their huge hordes of money.

Ask me how it works Americans. It's been kept a secret from the American people for far too long!

The wealthy get soaked like a garden hose, and half the country pays no income tax. It is rational to wonder how earned money is getting spent. As previous posts have stated, blue states harvest taxes in every way imaginable, and the schools and the roads are still terrible. That is why middle class people are leaving those states, which will create an interesting downward spiral of these tax heavy areas.

People and more importantly BUSINESSES are leaving New York City and California like never before! Goldman Sachs is in the process of moving it's headquarters from New York City to Florida. It's a move that is estimated to cost NYC 8 billion dollars! That's just one company. Think of all the others that have already gone out of business or have already moved to a more business friendly State! Liberals are about to wake up to the realization that their policies have created economic "dead zones" throughout the nation and people are fleeing those areas in droves!

I don't know about New York but I know that California is a highly attractive state to live in. I'm comparing it to some of the ugly christian dust bowl states.

People who can afford to live in California will stay there and those that can't afford it will have either leave or get used to having to pay for the privilege.

And fwiw, Oregon and Washington state are also very desirable places to live. Go figure!

Raise the issue again when California gives a sh-t what redneck whiners do.

California IS a beautiful State! I completely agree with that. What you'll have to explain then is why more people are LEAVING a beautiful place like California than are going there! Only one reason I can think of...liberal policies have made California an undesirable place to live. Have you ever been to Texas? It doesn't compare to Cali when it comes to beauty yet companies and individuals are leaving California for Texas in DROVES!

It is telling that such beautiful places are so mismanaged that people are leaving. A pretty sewer is still a sewer.

 

[Donald H]

The concept of 'FREE' money fits right in with this topic. In Canada we receive a lot more free money than Americans do and that's directly related to democracy and taxation. In America's case, more taxation by the Democratic party.

Taxation is good! That's a general principle that can't be argued. And when taxes are applied correctly and fairly to both the richest and the poorest, the later result is FREE money. Canadians can talk from experience, as we have the highest 'quality of life' in the entire world. This is due to equitable taxation of the people in good times so that the FREE money can flow back to the people in hard times.

And so why would any American talk in a derogatory way about taxation?

Isn't the real problem the lack of equitable taxation of the wealthiest? Can it be equitable when two of the top billionaires have the equivalent of half the country's poorest people?

The FREE money in that instance is the money the billionaires were permitted to earn without having to pay their bills to the people who earned it for them, and they also didn't pay the bill to the country that provided them the opportunity to earn their huge hordes of money.

Ask me how it works Americans. It's been kept a secret from the American people for far too long!

The wealthy get soaked like a garden hose, and half the country pays no income tax. It is rational to wonder how earned money is getting spent. As previous posts have stated, blue states harvest taxes in every way imaginable, and the schools and the roads are still terrible. That is why middle class people are leaving those states, which will create an interesting downward spiral of these tax heavy areas.

People and more importantly BUSINESSES are leaving New York City and California like never before! Goldman Sachs is in the process of moving it's headquarters from New York City to Florida. It's a move that is estimated to cost NYC 8 billion dollars! That's just one company. Think of all the others that have already gone out of business or have already moved to a more business friendly State! Liberals are about to wake up to the realization that their policies have created economic "dead zones" throughout the nation and people are fleeing those areas in droves!

I don't know about New York but I know that California is a highly attractive state to live in. I'm comparing it to some of the ugly christian dust bowl states.

People who can afford to live in California will stay there and those that can't afford it will have either leave or get used to having to pay for the privilege.

And fwiw, Oregon and Washington state are also very desirable places to live. Go figure!

Raise the issue again when California gives a sh-t what redneck whiners do.

California IS a beautiful State! I completely agree with that. What you'll have to explain then is why more people are LEAVING a beautiful place like California than are going there! Only one reason I can think of...liberal policies have made California an undesirable place to live. Have you ever been to Texas? It doesn't compare to Cali when it comes to beauty yet companies and individuals are leaving California for Texas in DROVES!

Companies or corporations do what's best for their bottom line but that's not necessarily good for anybody else.
People who can afford to live in California will likely stay there for the quality of life the state offers.

Your complaint could be said to be that California doesn't favour some industry over individual people. Liberal policies in California perhaps favour wealthy people more that the ordinary working people. But California still holds the highest population of working people by far.

Some leave and some stay but it hasn't been reflected by any significant decline in their population.

My province of British Columbia is somewhat the same in some ways. Poor people aren't trying to move to the highly desirable coast region.

The temperature is 7C today and it's not likely to go much below 0C for the rest of the winter.

 

[DustyInfinity]

Your party is doing the same things to the non 'beautiful' states as well. Chicogonois has the same corruption and people are leaving there as well. Many of them come to my state of Indiana so the corrupt central planners won't bleed them dry. Same farmland, but the taxes are are jacked way up in one for the exact same services, if not worse.

 

[Donald H]

Your party is doing the same things to the non 'beautiful' states as well. Chicogonois has the same corruption and people are leaving there as well. Many of them come to my state of Indiana so the corrupt central planners won't bleed them dry. Same farmland, but the taxes are are jacked way up in one for the exact same services, if not worse.

If that's meant for me? I'm a Canadian and so I have no party you would be concerned about.

 

[Oldestyle]

The concept of 'FREE' money fits right in with this topic. In Canada we receive a lot more free money than Americans do and that's directly related to democracy and taxation. In America's case, more taxation by the Democratic party.

Taxation is good! That's a general principle that can't be argued. And when taxes are applied correctly and fairly to both the richest and the poorest, the later result is FREE money. Canadians can talk from experience, as we have the highest 'quality of life' in the entire world. This is due to equitable taxation of the people in good times so that the FREE money can flow back to the people in hard times.

And so why would any American talk in a derogatory way about taxation?

Isn't the real problem the lack of equitable taxation of the wealthiest? Can it be equitable when two of the top billionaires have the equivalent of half the country's poorest people?

The FREE money in that instance is the money the billionaires were permitted to earn without having to pay their bills to the people who earned it for them, and they also didn't pay the bill to the country that provided them the opportunity to earn their huge hordes of money.

Ask me how it works Americans. It's been kept a secret from the American people for far too long!

The wealthy get soaked like a garden hose, and half the country pays no income tax. It is rational to wonder how earned money is getting spent. As previous posts have stated, blue states harvest taxes in every way imaginable, and the schools and the roads are still terrible. That is why middle class people are leaving those states, which will create an interesting downward spiral of these tax heavy areas.

People and more importantly BUSINESSES are leaving New York City and California like never before! Goldman Sachs is in the process of moving it's headquarters from New York City to Florida. It's a move that is estimated to cost NYC 8 billion dollars! That's just one company. Think of all the others that have already gone out of business or have already moved to a more business friendly State! Liberals are about to wake up to the realization that their policies have created economic "dead zones" throughout the nation and people are fleeing those areas in droves!

I don't know about New York but I know that California is a highly attractive state to live in. I'm comparing it to some of the ugly christian dust bowl states.

People who can afford to live in California will stay there and those that can't afford it will have either leave or get used to having to pay for the privilege.

And fwiw, Oregon and Washington state are also very desirable places to live. Go figure!

Raise the issue again when California gives a sh-t what redneck whiners do.

California IS a beautiful State! I completely agree with that. What you'll have to explain then is why more people are LEAVING a beautiful place like California than are going there! Only one reason I can think of...liberal policies have made California an undesirable place to live. Have you ever been to Texas? It doesn't compare to Cali when it comes to beauty yet companies and individuals are leaving California for Texas in DROVES!

Companies or corporations do what's best for their bottom line but that's not necessarily good for anybody else.
People who can afford to live in California will likely stay there for the quality of life the state offers.

Your complaint could be said to be that California doesn't favour some industry over individual people. Liberal policies in California perhaps favour wealthy people more that the ordinary working people. But California still holds the highest population of working people by far.

Some leave and some stay but it hasn't been reflected by any significant decline in their population.

My province of British Columbia is somewhat the same in some ways. Poor people aren't trying to move to the highly desirable coast region.

The temperature is 7C today and it's not likely to go much below 0C for the rest of the winter.

You obviously aren't up to date on what's going on in California, Donald! Liberals there were trying to pass a "wealth tax". Not an income tax but a tax on individual's assets. If you don't think that's something that will be having California's wealthy hitting the road...get this! That "wealth tax" would apply to those wealthy people for 10 years AFTER THEY'VE LEFT THE STATE!!! Liberal politicians grasp that their attempts to tax the rich aren't working and that if they continue down that road then wealthy individuals are going to claim residency in another State. This tax on the wealth of people who no longer even LIVE in California simply illustrates that the left now is beginning to understand that the rich are NOT going to give them their assets willingly.

 

[Donald H]

The concept of 'FREE' money fits right in with this topic. In Canada we receive a lot more free money than Americans do and that's directly related to democracy and taxation. In America's case, more taxation by the Democratic party.

Taxation is good! That's a general principle that can't be argued. And when taxes are applied correctly and fairly to both the richest and the poorest, the later result is FREE money. Canadians can talk from experience, as we have the highest 'quality of life' in the entire world. This is due to equitable taxation of the people in good times so that the FREE money can flow back to the people in hard times.

And so why would any American talk in a derogatory way about taxation?

Isn't the real problem the lack of equitable taxation of the wealthiest? Can it be equitable when two of the top billionaires have the equivalent of half the country's poorest people?

The FREE money in that instance is the money the billionaires were permitted to earn without having to pay their bills to the people who earned it for them, and they also didn't pay the bill to the country that provided them the opportunity to earn their huge hordes of money.

Ask me how it works Americans. It's been kept a secret from the American people for far too long!

The wealthy get soaked like a garden hose, and half the country pays no income tax. It is rational to wonder how earned money is getting spent. As previous posts have stated, blue states harvest taxes in every way imaginable, and the schools and the roads are still terrible. That is why middle class people are leaving those states, which will create an interesting downward spiral of these tax heavy areas.

People and more importantly BUSINESSES are leaving New York City and California like never before! Goldman Sachs is in the process of moving it's headquarters from New York City to Florida. It's a move that is estimated to cost NYC 8 billion dollars! That's just one company. Think of all the others that have already gone out of business or have already moved to a more business friendly State! Liberals are about to wake up to the realization that their policies have created economic "dead zones" throughout the nation and people are fleeing those areas in droves!

I don't know about New York but I know that California is a highly attractive state to live in. I'm comparing it to some of the ugly christian dust bowl states.

People who can afford to live in California will stay there and those that can't afford it will have either leave or get used to having to pay for the privilege.

And fwiw, Oregon and Washington state are also very desirable places to live. Go figure!

Raise the issue again when California gives a sh-t what redneck whiners do.

California IS a beautiful State! I completely agree with that. What you'll have to explain then is why more people are LEAVING a beautiful place like California than are going there! Only one reason I can think of...liberal policies have made California an undesirable place to live. Have you ever been to Texas? It doesn't compare to Cali when it comes to beauty yet companies and individuals are leaving California for Texas in DROVES!

Companies or corporations do what's best for their bottom line but that's not necessarily good for anybody else.
People who can afford to live in California will likely stay there for the quality of life the state offers.

Your complaint could be said to be that California doesn't favour some industry over individual people. Liberal policies in California perhaps favour wealthy people more that the ordinary working people. But California still holds the highest population of working people by far.

Some leave and some stay but it hasn't been reflected by any significant decline in their population.

My province of British Columbia is somewhat the same in some ways. Poor people aren't trying to move to the highly desirable coast region.

The temperature is 7C today and it's not likely to go much below 0C for the rest of the winter.

You obviously aren't up to date on what's going on in California, Donald! Liberals there were trying to pass a "wealth tax". Not an income tax but a tax on individual's assets. If you don't think that's something that will be having California's wealthy hitting the road...get this! That "wealth tax" would apply to those wealthy people for 10 years AFTER THEY'VE LEFT THE STATE!!! Liberal politicians grasp that their attempts to tax the rich aren't working and that if they continue down that road then wealthy individuals are going to claim residency in another State. This tax on the wealth of people who no longer even LIVE in California simply illustrates that the left now is beginning to understand that the rich are NOT going to give them their assets willingly.

Get back to me when California's people start to leave to live in one of the miserable dust/-h-t bowls

. This tax on the wealth of people who no longer even LIVE in California simply illustrates that the left now is beginning to understand that the rich are NOT going to give them their assets willingly.

That's my talking point. The rich in America live in California too and cheat the working people out of a high quality of life no matter what state.

 

[jasonnfree]

Democrats have never met a tax they did not like/ Unfortunately , they can't handle the money once they have it in their grubby little hands, Look at Calf and NY, 2 of the most heavily taxed and democratic controlled states in the country yet they are going broke and people are leaving there in droves

Real estate prices here at an all time high.

https://www.redfin.com/county/332/CA/Orange-County/housing-market

 

[jasonnfree]

The concept of 'FREE' money fits right in with this topic. In Canada we receive a lot more free money than Americans do and that's directly related to democracy and taxation. In America's case, more taxation by the Democratic party.

Taxation is good! That's a general principle that can't be argued. And when taxes are applied correctly and fairly to both the richest and the poorest, the later result is FREE money. Canadians can talk from experience, as we have the highest 'quality of life' in the entire world. This is due to equitable taxation of the people in good times so that the FREE money can flow back to the people in hard times.

And so why would any American talk in a derogatory way about taxation?

Isn't the real problem the lack of equitable taxation of the wealthiest? Can it be equitable when two of the top billionaires have the equivalent of half the country's poorest people?

The FREE money in that instance is the money the billionaires were permitted to earn without having to pay their bills to the people who earned it for them, and they also didn't pay the bill to the country that provided them the opportunity to earn their huge hordes of money.

Ask me how it works Americans. It's been kept a secret from the American people for far too long!

The wealthy get soaked like a garden hose, and half the country pays no income tax. It is rational to wonder how earned money is getting spent. As previous posts have stated, blue states harvest taxes in every way imaginable, and the schools and the roads are still terrible. That is why middle class people are leaving those states, which will create an interesting downward spiral of these tax heavy areas.

People and more importantly BUSINESSES are leaving New York City and California like never before! Goldman Sachs is in the process of moving it's headquarters from New York City to Florida. It's a move that is estimated to cost NYC 8 billion dollars! That's just one company. Think of all the others that have already gone out of business or have already moved to a more business friendly State! Liberals are about to wake up to the realization that their policies have created economic "dead zones" throughout the nation and people are fleeing those areas in droves!

I don't know about New York but I know that California is a highly attractive state to live in. I'm comparing it to some of the ugly christian dust bowl states.

People who can afford to live in California will stay there and those that can't afford it will have either leave or get used to having to pay for the privilege.

And fwiw, Oregon and Washington state are also very desirable places to live. Go figure!

Raise the issue again when California gives a sh-t what redneck whiners do.

California IS a beautiful State! I completely agree with that. What you'll have to explain then is why more people are LEAVING a beautiful place like California than are going there! Only one reason I can think of...liberal policies have made California an undesirable place to live. Have you ever been to Texas? It doesn't compare to Cali when it comes to beauty yet companies and individuals are leaving California for Texas in DROVES!

Companies or corporations do what's best for their bottom line but that's not necessarily good for anybody else.
People who can afford to live in California will likely stay there for the quality of life the state offers.

Your complaint could be said to be that California doesn't favour some industry over individual people. Liberal policies in California perhaps favour wealthy people more that the ordinary working people. But California still holds the highest population of working people by far.

Some leave and some stay but it hasn't been reflected by any significant decline in their population.

My province of British Columbia is somewhat the same in some ways. Poor people aren't trying to move to the highly desirable coast region.

The temperature is 7C today and it's not likely to go much below 0C for the rest of the winter.

You obviously aren't up to date on what's going on in California, Donald! Liberals there were trying to pass a "wealth tax". Not an income tax but a tax on individual's assets. If you don't think that's something that will be having California's wealthy hitting the road...get this! That "wealth tax" would apply to those wealthy people for 10 years AFTER THEY'VE LEFT THE STATE!!! Liberal politicians grasp that their attempts to tax the rich aren't working and that if they continue down that road then wealthy individuals are going to claim residency in another State. This tax on the wealth of people who no longer even LIVE in California simply illustrates that the left now is beginning to understand that the rich are NOT going to give them their assets willingly.

Taxation...the price we pay for civilization.

 

[Oldestyle]

The concept of 'FREE' money fits right in with this topic. In Canada we receive a lot more free money than Americans do and that's directly related to democracy and taxation. In America's case, more taxation by the Democratic party.

Taxation is good! That's a general principle that can't be argued. And when taxes are applied correctly and fairly to both the richest and the poorest, the later result is FREE money. Canadians can talk from experience, as we have the highest 'quality of life' in the entire world. This is due to equitable taxation of the people in good times so that the FREE money can flow back to the people in hard times.

And so why would any American talk in a derogatory way about taxation?

Isn't the real problem the lack of equitable taxation of the wealthiest? Can it be equitable when two of the top billionaires have the equivalent of half the country's poorest people?

The FREE money in that instance is the money the billionaires were permitted to earn without having to pay their bills to the people who earned it for them, and they also didn't pay the bill to the country that provided them the opportunity to earn their huge hordes of money.

Ask me how it works Americans. It's been kept a secret from the American people for far too long!

The wealthy get soaked like a garden hose, and half the country pays no income tax. It is rational to wonder how earned money is getting spent. As previous posts have stated, blue states harvest taxes in every way imaginable, and the schools and the roads are still terrible. That is why middle class people are leaving those states, which will create an interesting downward spiral of these tax heavy areas.

People and more importantly BUSINESSES are leaving New York City and California like never before! Goldman Sachs is in the process of moving it's headquarters from New York City to Florida. It's a move that is estimated to cost NYC 8 billion dollars! That's just one company. Think of all the others that have already gone out of business or have already moved to a more business friendly State! Liberals are about to wake up to the realization that their policies have created economic "dead zones" throughout the nation and people are fleeing those areas in droves!

I don't know about New York but I know that California is a highly attractive state to live in. I'm comparing it to some of the ugly christian dust bowl states.

People who can afford to live in California will stay there and those that can't afford it will have either leave or get used to having to pay for the privilege.

And fwiw, Oregon and Washington state are also very desirable places to live. Go figure!

Raise the issue again when California gives a sh-t what redneck whiners do.

California IS a beautiful State! I completely agree with that. What you'll have to explain then is why more people are LEAVING a beautiful place like California than are going there! Only one reason I can think of...liberal policies have made California an undesirable place to live. Have you ever been to Texas? It doesn't compare to Cali when it comes to beauty yet companies and individuals are leaving California for Texas in DROVES!

Companies or corporations do what's best for their bottom line but that's not necessarily good for anybody else.
People who can afford to live in California will likely stay there for the quality of life the state offers.

Your complaint could be said to be that California doesn't favour some industry over individual people. Liberal policies in California perhaps favour wealthy people more that the ordinary working people. But California still holds the highest population of working people by far.

Some leave and some stay but it hasn't been reflected by any significant decline in their population.

My province of British Columbia is somewhat the same in some ways. Poor people aren't trying to move to the highly desirable coast region.

The temperature is 7C today and it's not likely to go much below 0C for the rest of the winter.

You obviously aren't up to date on what's going on in California, Donald! Liberals there were trying to pass a "wealth tax". Not an income tax but a tax on individual's assets. If you don't think that's something that will be having California's wealthy hitting the road...get this! That "wealth tax" would apply to those wealthy people for 10 years AFTER THEY'VE LEFT THE STATE!!! Liberal politicians grasp that their attempts to tax the rich aren't working and that if they continue down that road then wealthy individuals are going to claim residency in another State. This tax on the wealth of people who no longer even LIVE in California simply illustrates that the left now is beginning to understand that the rich are NOT going to give them their assets willingly.

Taxation...the price we pay for civilization.

One could argue that what we've seen under Castro and Chavez is the price we pay for failing to realize the dangers of socialism, Jason! This country was founded in large part as a reaction to unfair taxation. Claiming that taxation equates civilization paints with a broad brush. Taxation allows one group of people to take things from other groups of people...something that will always be dangerous at it's core. Legislators in California ignore that at their own peril...as do those who have turned New York City into a place that those with wealth are fleeing.