Dem Rep. Jim Himes tells "MAGA" they better think twice about supporting strikes on drug traffickers because they "need to imagine who gets killed ...

[candycorn]

Well you know what? The people on those boats are people bringing a boatload of potentially deadly drugs to addict or kill Americans. I could care less what their political leanings are. They have been warned. If they choose to do that anyway, well, too bad. BOOM!!!!

Interesting take.

So the guys who are making guns are responsible for the weekly school massacres. Should they be rubbed out on the way home?

 

[konradv]

That United States citizen has rights.

He got all the ones he deserved. Not getting bombed when you’re embedded with the enemy isn’t one of them.

 

[Couchpotato]

He got all the ones he deserved. Not getting bombed when you’re embedded with the enemy isn’t one of them.

Ok so if the intelligence community determines that you are "embedded with the enemy" your Constitutional rights are voided?

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

The money hit has to be pretty big for the bitching to make it all the way downstream to posting board parrots.

The Best Influencers Drug Money Can Buy

The TDS jurinalists are losing their jobs all over flyover country. The good old Narcocrats are providing them unemployment insurance. Can't ask for better bosses than that!

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

How many were fishermen?

Fish need to eat, too

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

There's a reason they use speed boats..
But yes I would much prefer interception and inspection. Then arrest if necessary.
I Think the coast guard has high speed interceptors that are air gliders.
Capture might be logistically more difficult but aesthetically it is of course much better.

Pitty-Patty Epitaph

Typical snobbish contempt for servicemen. "So what if a few Coast Guard sailors get killed when the narcos resist arrest? We'll honor them by putting DIED FOR DUE PROCESS on their tombstones!"

 

[justoffal]

Pitty-Patty Epitaph

Typical snobbish contempt for servicemen. "So what if a few Coast Guard sailors get killed when the narcos resist arrest? We'll honor them by putting DIED FOR DUE PROCESS on their tombstones!"

Yeah it was kind of running through my mind.
These guys are probably armed to the teeth.

 

[justoffal]

Conjecture, not facts. There’s no reason we can’t board and inspect and possibly get intelligence, but instead we’re destroying the evidence. It’s what Trump wishes he could do with the Epstein files.

Nevertheless.... Approaching the United States Coast from international waters without having filed a course plan with the Coast guard and the effective areas that become United States territory... Is a very good way to get dead.
Especially if you're traveling in a speed boat that cannot run postcard heavy patrol boats.

Legal Problems

• Violation of U.S. Law: All vessels must comply with U.S. Coast Guard (USCG) Notice of Arrival (NOA) requirements and report to U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP). Failure to do so can result in severe penalties.
• Civil and Criminal Penalties: Violations can lead to civil penalties of up to $25,000 per day of violation and criminal penalties that may include fines and imprisonment for up to 10 years.
• Felony Charges: Unauthorized entry into protected zones, such as the 500-yard naval vessel protection zones, is a felony offense punishable by up to six years in prison and/or fines of up to $250,000.
• Vessel Seizure and Forfeiture: The vessel used in an unauthorized approach or entry is subject to seizure and forfeiture by the U.S. government.
• Immigration Consequences: For non-U.S. citizens, unauthorized entry or eluding examination by immigration officers is an offense that can result in fines and imprisonment, and likely deportation.
• Lack of Legal Protections: Individuals on an unregistered vessel in international waters may find it difficult to claim certain legal protections, as jurisdiction typically falls under the vessel's flag country.
• Use of Force: If a vessel fails to comply with orders, such as instructions to slow down or alter course, authorities may use force to ensure compliance, which can be dangerous for those on board.

 

[Marener]

Yeah, no it isn't. It only protects the President against criminal prosecution for actions taken under his core powers granted specifically in the Constitution. To wit while the President is given command of the military, he can't order them to invade a country without approval from Congress. He certainly can't utilize the military to violate a citizen's rights ie kill them, (that would be an illegal order, one the person receiving it wouldn't be obliged to follow) though the argument can certainly be made that his processor did just that when he summarily executed a US citizen without trial. But of course, you're cool with that because the guy who did it wasn't Trump.

If Trump did have the military kill someone or invade a country, he could be impeached but never prosecuted. He has absolute immunity for all core constitutionalities.

Perhaps the soldier who followed the illegal order could be prosecuted, because they don’t have immunity, however the same president could also pardon them.

 

[konradv]

Nevertheless.... Approaching the United States Coast from international waters without having filed a course plan with the Coast guard and the effective areas that become United States territory... Is a very good way to get dead.
Especially if you're traveling in a speed boat that cannot run postcard heavy patrol boats.

Legal Problems

• Violation of U.S. Law: All vessels must comply with U.S. Coast Guard (USCG) Notice of Arrival (NOA) requirements and report to U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP). Failure to do so can result in severe penalties.
• Civil and Criminal Penalties: Violations can lead to civil penalties of up to $25,000 per day of violation and criminal penalties that may include fines and imprisonment for up to 10 years.
• Felony Charges: Unauthorized entry into protected zones, such as the 500-yard naval vessel protection zones, is a felony offense punishable by up to six years in prison and/or fines of up to $250,000.
• Vessel Seizure and Forfeiture: The vessel used in an unauthorized approach or entry is subject to seizure and forfeiture by the U.S. government.
• Immigration Consequences: For non-U.S. citizens, unauthorized entry or eluding examination by immigration officers is an offense that can result in fines and imprisonment, and likely deportation.
• Lack of Legal Protections: Individuals on an unregistered vessel in international waters may find it difficult to claim certain legal protections, as jurisdiction typically falls under the vessel's flag country.
• Use of Force: If a vessel fails to comply with orders, such as instructions to slow down or alter course, authorities may use force to ensure compliance, which can be dangerous for those on board.

Were these boats in US waters? I think not, Most of that doesn't apply.

 

[konradv]

Fish need to eat, too

Go dip your wick.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Yeah it was kind of running through my mind.
These guys are probably armed to the teeth.

The drug-soaked Libs believe that narcos will give up their weapons if we just ask them nice instead of going all macho like Tony Montana, whom they identify as anyone in the military:

 

[konradv]

Ok so if the intelligence community determines that you are "embedded with the enemy" your Constitutional rights are voided?

No, but theirs haven’t been voided.

 

[konradv]

Yeah it was kind of running through my mind.
These guys are probably armed to the teeth.

Aren’t we? A naval vessel would have very little to fear from the kinds of boats involved.

 

[justoffal]

Aren’t we? A naval vessel would have very little to fear from the kinds of boats involved.

I dunno..... Boarding and searching can be very perilous. Remember it would be a coast guard interceptor that would catch one of these guys not one of the heavier service vessels.

 

[justoffal]

Were these boats in US waters? I think not, Most of that doesn't apply.

• Vessel Seizure and Forfeiture: The vessel used in an unauthorized approach or entry is subject to seizure and forfeiture by the U.S. government.

Approach

 

[konradv]

I dunno..... Boarding and searching can be very perilous. Remember it would be a coast guard interceptor that would catch one of these guys not one of the heavier service vessels.

We have a whole fleet there. The CG only does the coast, not the Caribbean.

 

[Couchpotato]

If Trump did have the military kill someone or invade a country, he could be impeached but never prosecuted. He has absolute immunity for all core constitutionalities.

Ordering the military to invade a country without Congressional approval would be unconstitutional numb nuts. Much like ordering it to kill a us citizen. The President isn't granted unfettered command of the military he's given supreme command of it to conduct operations approved by Congress. For **** sake you don't have to guess at this shit it's all written down in a document it might take 20-30 minutes to read if you really take your time.

Perhaps the soldier who followed the illegal order could be prosecuted, because they don’t have immunity, however the same president could also pardon them.

If the President is impeached, and found guilty he by definition would have acted outside his core constitutional powers and thus not immune....

No, but theirs haven’t been voided.

? So being executed without trial isnt having your Constitutional rights voided? I cant think of a way they could be more voided.

 

[konradv]

• Vessel Seizure and Forfeiture: The vessel used in an unauthorized approach or entry is subject to seizure and forfeiture by the U.S. government.

Approach

Approach? They’re not in our waters.

 

[justoffal]

Ordering the military to invade a country without Congressional approval would be unconstitutional numb nuts. Much like ordering it to kill a us citizen. The President isn't granted unfettered command of the military he's given supreme command of it to conduct operations approved by Congress. For **** sake you don't have to guess at this shit it's all written down in a document it might take 20-30 minutes to read if you really take your time.

If the President is impeached, and found guilty he by definition would have acted outside his core constitutional powers and thus not immune....

? So being executed without trial isnt having your Constitutional rights voided? I cant think of a way they could be more voided.

Constitutional rights apply to United States citizens.