Dem Rep. Jim Himes tells "MAGA" they better think twice about supporting strikes on drug traffickers because they "need to imagine who gets killed ...

[justoffal]

Approach? They’re not in our waters.

That's right....approach or entry

 

[Couchpotato]

Approach? They’re not in our waters.

Does the President have the power to designate entities/individuals as terrorist orgs/individuals?

Does the President have Congressional approval to strike terrorist entitles/individuals?

The same justification past Presidents from GWB to now have used to strike targets internationally is the one the Trump admin is using to strike these boats. You were fine with it when it was used to kill ISIS, Al Qaeda, Taliban, even a US citizen but not now? Want to bet that the drug cartels are responsible for more dead Americans than all those entities combined even if you multiplied it by 10?

 

[eagle1462010]

They [Democrats] haven't reached peak insanity yet.

We have a Congressman equating vile drug runners with...? People who disagree with them politically.

 

[Couchpotato]

Constitutional rights apply to United States citizens.

Yeah Im talking about US citizens. If you cant keep up with the discussion, dont comment.

 

[justoffal]

Yeah Im talking about US citizens. If you cant keep up with the discussion, dont comment.

So you're not talking about the people on the speed boats.... Okay this thread probably got a little too long for me.

 

[justoffal]

Does the President have the power to designate entities/individuals as terrorist orgs/individuals?

Does the President have Congressional approval to strike terrorist entitles/individuals?

The same justification past Presidents from GWB to now have used to strike targets internationally is the one the Trump admin is using to strike these boats. You were fine with it when it was used to kill ISIS, Al Qaeda, Taliban, even a US citizen but not now? Want to bet that the drug cartels are responsible for more dead Americans than all those entities combined even if you multiplied it by 10?

Point is.... Once an unchartered and unregistered vehicle traveling at 50 to 60 knots has passed all other geography in the trajectory direction of the United States Coast... They are fair game for everything up to and including lethal Force.

 

[Marener]

Ordering the military to invade a country without Congressional approval would be unconstitutional numb nuts. Much like ordering it to kill a us citizen. The President isn't granted unfettered command of the military he's given supreme command of it to conduct operations approved by Congress. For **** sake you don't have to guess at this shit it's all written down in a document it might take 20-30 minutes to read if you really take your time.

If the President is impeached, and found guilty he by definition would have acted outside his core constitutional powers and thus not immune....

? So being executed without trial isnt having your Constitutional rights voided? I cant think of a way they could be more voided.

Commanding the military is a core constitutional duty and thus he cannot be criminally prosecuted for any order he gives to the military.

That’s what absolute immunity means.

 

[konradv]

Does the President have the power to designate entities/individuals as terrorist orgs/individuals?

Does the President have Congressional approval to strike terrorist entitles/individuals?

The same justification past Presidents from GWB to now have used to strike targets internationally is the one the Trump admin is using to strike these boats. You were fine with it when it was used to kill ISIS, Al Qaeda, Taliban, even a US citizen but not now? Want to bet that the drug cartels are responsible for more dead Americans than all those entities combined even if you multiplied it by 10?

No, the president doesn’t have the unilateral right to get us into a war without consultation with and approval from Congress.

 

[konradv]

That's right....approach or entry

What is approach? Too vague.

 

[justoffal]

What is approach? Too vague.

Vessel Seizure and Forfeiture: The vessel used in an unauthorized approach or entry is subject to seizure and forfeiture by the U.S. government.

It is clear from the wording that approach is not entry. Entry is inside the boundary, approach is intention to cross the boundary.

Once all of the geography is removed from the trajectory leaving only the US Coast in the path of the trajectory the intention is clear.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

He got all the ones he deserved. Not getting bombed when you’re embedded with the enemy isn’t one of them.

Show us the part of the Constitution that says that.

 

[justoffal]

He got all the ones he deserved. Not getting bombed when you’re embedded with the enemy isn’t one of them.

They never learn

 

[Couchpotato]

No, the president doesn’t have the unilateral right to get us into a war without consultation with and approval from Congress.

But Congress has given the President that authorization. Why do you think they designated them a terrorist org?

 

[justoffal]

But Congress has given the President that authorization. Why do you think they designated them a terrorist org?

Don't waste your breath....
If it was a Democratic president he would have a right to do anything while they were completely silent about it. With Trump almost every single thing he does is going to be challenged whether it's legitimate or not. It's no longer worth listening to the noise.

 

[konradv]

Show us the part of the Constitution that says that.

You show us where it is.

 

[konradv]

But Congress has given the President that authorization. Why do you think they designated them a terrorist org?

That’s not an authorization for war. Who is them?

 

[Couchpotato]

That’s not an authorization for war. Who is them?

The same authorization this and recent Presidents have used to prosecute the war on terror. It’s why the administration designated them (the drug cartels) terrorist orgs. You can’t be this dense. You’re trolling right?

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

You show us where it is.

"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

 

[OODA_Loop]

Commanding the military is a core constitutional duty and thus he cannot be criminally prosecuted for any order he gives to the military.

That’s what absolute immunity means.

A illegal order can be refused under the UCMJ.

All members of the military have the right, and in some cases have the duty, to refuse illegal orders. Your oath is to the Constitution (which incorporates international treaties ratified by the U.S. on human rights and the law of war), not to the Commander-In-Chief or to any other individual in the chain of command.

FAQ on Refusing Illegal Orders - Military Law Task Force

This FAQ (drafted by members of the MLTF) can also be found in printable PDF format here: Illegal Orders FAQ – 11NOV2025 DoD Instruction 1325.06 permits a servicemember to possess a single copy of this document. FAQs on refusing illegal orders Version 2 – released November 11, 2025 Do I have...

nlgmltf.org

 

[Cellblock2429]

Why is it that the democrats never put up anyone intelligent, capable, or qualified for the position? They just go for the most extreme people in their party that they can find and choose them to be the party candidate. Are there even any real democrats left in the party or have they all been chased off?

/—-/ I think it’s the opposite. The DNC is leaderless which allows the renegades to take the lead. What few moderates left are marginalized with the exception of Fetterman.