Defunding Police

[BlueGin]

So dismantling the police. Are they hoping this brings libertarians to their side?

 

[occupied]

That is the extreme end of policies where police have to justify their existence and fund themselves through their activities.

Police don't have to justify a damn thing. They are a foregone conclusion to those of us with moderate or better intelligence. This is a ridiculous discussion.

It's the libertarian philosophy of law enforcement. It's not that complicated. Fascism exists to perpetuate itself. The police absolutely have to justify their existence by pointing to the number of arrests they have made and revenue generated. They also have to convince us that they have prevented crime and made us safer. It's all terribly subjective and clearly victimizes the bottom of the economic ladder.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Most people like the police. A few bad ones are no reflection on the whole.

The Democrats have just fucked themselves real good.

 

[San Souci]

Make no mistake about what we are witnessing. Leftists in America, from mayors to governors, to media, to movie stars, have gone completely unhinged, proving once again that there is no limit to the lunacy that these people will engage in. The latest crazieness is the call to defund police departments (at a time when they need to be strengthened), as well as to abolish the police entirely.

Don't think that just because this is totally absurd and insane, that it can't happen. It already has happened. In some cities, efforts to turn that notion into action are already underway, with Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti announcing on Wednesday that he would be making cuts of up to $150 million to the police budget, and reinvesting those funds in black communities. Not only a crazy and dangerous move, but a racist one, as well.

Several members of the Minneapolis City Council this week have expressed support for radical changes to how the city handles law enforcement, including a move to "dismantle" the police department and replace it with "a transformative new model for public safety." Steve Fletcher, a member of the Minneapolis City Council, condemned Bob Kroll of the police union in a long thread, in which he said the city should "declare policing as we know it a thing of the past."

Jeremiah Ellison, son of the Attorney General, Keith Ellison, tweeted "We are going to dismantle the Minneapolis Police Department, and when we’re done, we’re not simply gonna glue it back together. We are going to dramatically rethink how we approach public safety and emergency response. It’s really past due."

All this is giving new meaning to the age old term, YOUNG AND STUPID.

Minneapolis City Council members aim to 'dismantle' police department, 'rethink' public safety

Several members of the Minneapolis City Council this week have expressed support for radical changes to how the city handles law enforcement, including a move to "dismantle" the police department and replace it with "a transformative new model for public safety."

www.foxnews.com

https://www.newsweek.com/defund-police-movement-growing-heres-what-it-actually-means-1508761

What we need is more JAILS. And people sentenced for Violence should be sentenced to HARD LABOR. 29 YEARS.

 

[San Souci]

That is the extreme end of policies where police have to justify their existence and fund themselves through their activities.

Police don't have to justify a damn thing. They are a foregone conclusion to those of us with moderate or better intelligence. This is a ridiculous discussion.

It's the libertarian philosophy of law enforcement. It's not that complicated. Fascism exists to perpetuate itself. The police absolutely have to justify their existence by pointing to the number of arrests they have made and revenue generated. They also have to convince us that they have prevented crime and made us safer. It's all terribly subjective and clearly victimizes the bottom of the economic ladder.

Fire them all. The CITIES would burn because they are occupied by ANIMALS. Small Towns? They could form Vigilantis and perform some Street Justice.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Most people like the police. A few bad ones are no reflection on the whole.

The Democrats have just fucked themselves real good.

People with functioning brain cells see this as:

 

[LeeOnLido]

well, it seems that in some of our larger cities, the leaders just not need any police force/protection. OK, so in that case, lets just fire all of the firemen and those who work in the services that the ER crew has to offer. This means when your house is on fire, hey, it's OK, all houses have garden hoses, right? And every time you get injured/fall off your roof/minor heart attack, just Take A Pill, and chill out for two days !

 

[protectionist]

It's the libertarian philosophy of law enforcement. It's not that complicated. Fascism exists to perpetuate itself. The police absolutely have to justify their existence by pointing to the number of arrests they have made and revenue generated. They also have to convince us that they have prevented crime and made us safer. It's all terribly subjective and clearly victimizes the bottom of the economic ladder.

Bullshit, baldershash, poppycock, horsefeathers. Police are a fundamental part of society, and perhaps the most important part of it. The are an absolute NECESSITY.

The idea of not having police is childish sillieness, that only very few (deranged) people subscribe to. The notion to abolish or defund police, shouldn't even be given the dignity of a response.

 

[protectionist]

People with functioning brain cells see this as:

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I see ONE bad cop out of thousands of good cops. Was anyone expecting perfection ? This is earth, not heaven.

 

[Oddball]

Make no mistake about what we are witnessing. Leftists in America, from mayors to governors, to media, to movie stars, have gone completely unhinged, proving once again that there is no limit to the lunacy that these people will engage in. The latest crazieness is the call to defund police departments (at a time when they need to be strengthened), as well as to abolish the police entirely.

Don't think that just because this is totally absurd and insane, that it can't happen. It already has happened. In some cities, efforts to turn that notion into action are already underway, with Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti announcing on Wednesday that he would be making cuts of up to $150 million to the police budget, and reinvesting those funds in black communities. Not only a crazy and dangerous move, but a racist one, as well.

Several members of the Minneapolis City Council this week have expressed support for radical changes to how the city handles law enforcement, including a move to "dismantle" the police department and replace it with "a transformative new model for public safety." Steve Fletcher, a member of the Minneapolis City Council, condemned Bob Kroll of the police union in a long thread, in which he said the city should "declare policing as we know it a thing of the past."

Jeremiah Ellison, son of the Attorney General, Keith Ellison, tweeted "We are going to dismantle the Minneapolis Police Department, and when we’re done, we’re not simply gonna glue it back together. We are going to dramatically rethink how we approach public safety and emergency response. It’s really past due."

All this is giving new meaning to the age old term, YOUNG AND STUPID.

Minneapolis City Council members aim to 'dismantle' police department, 'rethink' public safety

Several members of the Minneapolis City Council this week have expressed support for radical changes to how the city handles law enforcement, including a move to "dismantle" the police department and replace it with "a transformative new model for public safety."

www.foxnews.com

https://www.newsweek.com/defund-police-movement-growing-heres-what-it-actually-means-1508761

Just don't forget when empowering the State, and granting special authorities to its minions; that every 4-8 years or so your opposition gets a shot at sitting in the big chair. So while busy tbemselves crafting a club to beat the plebes down with... Remember your gonna have to hand that baton over sooner or later.

My thoughts exactly.

Get rid of the police, then cause enough strife among the population that they protest and/or revolt, then use the Insurrection Act to deploy regular military troops to quell the uprising.

Sounds like a Stalinst wet dream to me.

 

[night_son]

Half of what police departments do is to generate revenue. America would be a better place without useless fines and probation for victimless crimes.

So you are for abolishing the police ?

Even Geraldo Rivera doesn't support this madness.

Nope, they should keep the peace and otherwise leave people alone, all people. If the many problems concerning Americans and their relationship with law enforcement had not been allowed to fester so long none of this would have happened.

A position of extreme naïveté or willful ignorance. You see Utopia just over the horizon. Without the police all you will know is the tread of a giant jackboot stepping on your face.

 

[protectionist]

Denying there are problems is why there are protests. Maybe you have never been hassled by the cops or got a raw deal in the criminal justice system and so you think things are fine?

Even when there ARE occasional problems, so what ? Nothing is perfect. But this episode is blown way out of proportion, similar to the Rodney King one, although not as dishonest as that was.

Opportunism is driving this thing now. No longer a justice thing.

 

[Oddball]

So dismantling the police. Are they hoping this brings libertarians to their side?

Not this one....I'm all for privatizing the police, though.

 

[protectionist]

No but clearly, you don’t get it.

I get it only too well. And you you have a criticism, spit it out.

 

[protectionist]

Not this one....I'm all for privatizing the police, though.

That would make them beholden to a small group of business owners, or perhaps even just ONE person, rather than the general public. Bad idea.

 

[Vastator]

And the perfect excuse to federalize/centralize all policing under federal authority. Welcom to the police state.

Make no mistake about what we are witnessing. Leftists in America, from mayors to governors, to media, to movie stars, have gone completely unhinged, proving once again that there is no limit to the lunacy that these people will engage in. The latest crazieness is the call to defund police departments (at a time when they need to be strengthened), as well as to abolish the police entirely.

Don't think that just because this is totally absurd and insane, that it can't happen. It already has happened. In some cities, efforts to turn that notion into action are already underway, with Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti announcing on Wednesday that he would be making cuts of up to $150 million to the police budget, and reinvesting those funds in black communities. Not only a crazy and dangerous move, but a racist one, as well.

Several members of the Minneapolis City Council this week have expressed support for radical changes to how the city handles law enforcement, including a move to "dismantle" the police department and replace it with "a transformative new model for public safety." Steve Fletcher, a member of the Minneapolis City Council, condemned Bob Kroll of the police union in a long thread, in which he said the city should "declare policing as we know it a thing of the past."

Jeremiah Ellison, son of the Attorney General, Keith Ellison, tweeted "We are going to dismantle the Minneapolis Police Department, and when we’re done, we’re not simply gonna glue it back together. We are going to dramatically rethink how we approach public safety and emergency response. It’s really past due."

All this is giving new meaning to the age old term, YOUNG AND STUPID.

Minneapolis City Council members aim to 'dismantle' police department, 'rethink' public safety

Several members of the Minneapolis City Council this week have expressed support for radical changes to how the city handles law enforcement, including a move to "dismantle" the police department and replace it with "a transformative new model for public safety."

www.foxnews.com

https://www.newsweek.com/defund-police-movement-growing-heres-what-it-actually-means-1508761

Just don't forget when empowering the State, and granting special authorities to its minions; that every 4-8 years or so your opposition gets a shot at sitting in the big chair. So while busy tbemselves crafting a club to beat the plebes down with... Remember your gonna have to hand that baton over sooner or later.

My thoughts exactly.

Get rid of the police, then cause enough strife among the population that they protest and/or revolt, then use the Insurrection Act to deploy regular military troops to quell the uprising.

Sounds like a Stalinst wet dream to me.

And the perfect excuse to federalize/centralize all policing under federal authority. Welcome to the police state.

 

[Oddball]

That is the extreme end of policies where police have to justify their existence and fund themselves through their activities.

Police don't have to justify a damn thing. They are a foregone conclusion to those of us with moderate or better intelligence. This is a ridiculous discussion.

It's the libertarian philosophy of law enforcement. It's not that complicated. Fascism exists to perpetuate itself. The police absolutely have to justify their existence by pointing to the number of arrests they have made and revenue generated. They also have to convince us that they have prevented crime and made us safer. It's all terribly subjective and clearly victimizes the bottom of the economic ladder.

The libertarian philosophy of law enforcement has the police enforcing laws against force and fraud, not dismantling them altogether.

Quit trying to speak for a philosophy that you know next to nothing about.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Augustus ran the Roman Empire without a police department.

He had an Army.

Everyone who had money had an army. For the poor it was hand to hand combat. No police to call.

 

[Oddball]

Not this one....I'm all for privatizing the police, though.

That would make them beholden to a small group of business owners, or perhaps even just ONE person, rather than the general public. Bad idea.

I know that's the argument of the committed statist, but has little actual living proof to back it up.

What we have now is the police beholden to corrupt and incompetent political buffoons, who are now using them as tools of social justice and occasional punching bags when they need to virtue signal.

 

[Oddball]

Augustus ran the Roman Empire without a police department.

He had an Army.

Everyone who had money had an army. For the poor it was hand to hand combat. No police to call.

"A well-regulated militia...."