Defining Conservatism

[rightwinger]

Mike Pence is a Conservative
Strong Family Values and Fiscal Responsibility

Donald J Trump is neither
Guess who Republicans have embraced as their savior?

 

[rightwinger]

Conservatives have discarded their values to worship before Trump

 

[kyzr]

Are two parent families and marriage before children repressive

Do you mean Conservative icon Donald John Trump who is on his third wife, cheated on them all, banged a porn star when Barron was an infant and had Tiffany out of wedlock?

That's when Trump was a democrat, so what's your point?

 

[kyzr]

Conservatives have discarded their values to worship before Trump

Trump won the presidency by being a "moderate" not a conservative.
Social Conservatives still have their values.
Fiscal conservatives don't exist anymore.

 

[Correll]

Can it be defined? Should it be defined?

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Your article seems to has a major contradiction in my opinion. The first tenet talks about conservatism being religious and even specifically Christian to the point of it rejecting reason as a guiding principle. The forth talks about being for free will. Christianity sufficiently fundamentalist to reject reason seems to me not to allow for free will. Since God in that paradigm is all-knowing and all-powerful. To me these two principles are unreconcilable.

As to the OP itself. Defining an ideology... any ideology precisely enough to serve as a working definition is simply impossible since almost every ideology serves more than one person and no two people think exactly the same.

"reject reason"? lol!!!

 

[Correll]

Not sure how to define conservatism when the leader of the party, the President, is a hyper-Keynesian who doesn't even live by "conservative values". Maybe this is all just bullshit.

Looks to me like what conservatives really want is a pugilistic, nationalistic, authoritarian strongman. That's what they've got now and most of 'em adore him.

conservatism and the republican party, are not the same thing.


trump's election was certainly a defeat for conservatism, especially the free market faction that has been dominate for quite some time.

your anti-trump spin is off topic. and wrong.


trump is not an "authoritarian strongman".


he has shown some strength in not being cowed by your mob. most people would consider that a good thing.




the paleoconservative faction, with it's economic nationalism and desire for reduced entanglement, could work just fine in a trumpist party.


imo.

 

[Correll]

There was a time when Conservatives used to define themselves as Family Values and Balanced Budgets

Somehow they call Trump Conservative

wow. 4 years in, and you noticed that trump is not a conservative?

can't get nothing past you.

 

[Correll]

"Ask not what your country can do for you". JFK would have been a conservative today. The question is how to define today's "liberals" without including the word "Marxist".

Easy. Just like we can define today’s conservatives with out including the word ‘fascist”.

if you are an asshole.

 

[Correll]

Support for the founding principals that made America a great nation. Fundamentals like work ethic, Christianity, moral values, and Family.

How does the election of Donald J Trump meet any of those criteria?
Conservatives sold out their values. I doubt they will ever get them back

the free market conservative policies did not produce the desired outcome.


so the party went with a economic nationalist.


that is not "Selling your values" that is the conservative faction of the party losing a primary.


conservatives do need to rethink their platform.


but, your spin is nonsense.

 

[Correll]

Mike Pence is a Conservative
Strong Family Values and Fiscal Responsibility

Donald J Trump is neither
Guess who Republicans have embraced as their savior?

neither. over here we support political leaders, politically.


you dems are the ones that confuse politics and religion.

 

[Correll]

Conservatives have discarded their values to worship before Trump

said the troll boy.

 

[gipper]

Conservatives have discarded their values to worship before Trump

Agreed. Just as have liberals. The two have become nearly the same in their devotion for the state.

 

[Correll]

Conservatives have discarded their values to worship before Trump

Agreed. Just as have liberals. The two have become nearly the same in their devotion for the state.

the results of free trade has not been what we were promised.

voting for changing a policy that did not deliver, is not "Discarding our values".

 

[Mac1958]

Mike Pence is a Conservative
Strong Family Values and Fiscal Responsibility

Donald J Trump is neither
Guess who Republicans have embraced as their savior?

The notion that the Trumpsters have "sold their soul" to this guy certainly is both obvious and ironic.

This has exposed, among other things, their priorities - and their so-called "religion" is not at the top.

So much for the fundamentals of conservatism.

 

[rightwinger]

So much for the fundamentals of conservatism.

How quickly they abandoned fiscal conservatism and family values.
The religious right pretending Trump is a man of God is most disturbing

 

[Correll]

Mike Pence is a Conservative
Strong Family Values and Fiscal Responsibility

Donald J Trump is neither
Guess who Republicans have embraced as their savior?

The notion that the Trumpsters have "sold their soul" to this guy certainly is both obvious and ironic.

This has exposed, among other things, their priorities - and their so-called "religion" is not at the top.

So much for the fundamentals of conservatism.

the religious right is a strong faction within the party.


that does not mean that one of their wins every primary.


trump is not religious, but his polices are such that the RR is happy to support him, and trump has no reason to refuse that support, indeed, no reason to not actively seek out and nurture that support.


there is the way it is supposed to work.


that this doesn't make sense to you, is about your incorrect perceptions of us, not something wrong with us.

 

[Correll]

So much for the fundamentals of conservatism.

How quickly they abandoned fiscal conservatism and family values.
The religious right pretending Trump is a man of God is most disturbing

fiscal conservatism is a battle we lost long ago.

family values? trump's divorces are a minus. supporting him politically, is not an endorsement of his past marriage failures.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Can it be defined?

Yep. And in very few words.

 

[DGS49]

There is no real question what Conservatism espouses; it has not changed since the days of Barry Goldwater.

• Economic freedom.
• Constitutionally-minimalist Federal Government,
• Traditional Judeo-Christian values,
• Fiscal conservatism,
• Strong defense,
• etc.

What happened was that Liberals (or use whatever other term you like) embarked on a decades-long campaign to buy the votes of American voters with government cash and benefits. The American people were (and are) too ignorant to see that this is not the rightful role of the Federal government. All they saw was that there were all sorts of goodies flowing out from Washington and this one group of people (Democrats/Liberals) was responsible for it.

Further, when Republicans tried to "right the ship" and curtail this spending (welfare, food stamps, Medicaid, housing subsidies, college grants and loans), ALL OF WHICH WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL, as well as being fiscally irresponsible, the Liberals and the Media, ganged up on the Conservatives, calling them heartless, mean, stingy, racist, and cruel. This goes on at an accelerated pace to this very day.

Well, Conservative politicians are politicians first, and they understood that unless they got with the program of reckless taxpayer-funded giveaways, they would be riding their Conservative principles into the sunset and right out of office.

So today's Conservatives have put themselves in the untenable position of having to support outrageous and unconstitutional government spending, merely to have any chance of remaining in office. Which of course violates one of the core principles of Conservatism: Fiscal Responsibility.

Look at the current brouhaha about the Covid 19 giveaways. Where (the fuck) in the Constitution does Congress get the power to send out trillions of dollars indiscriminately to unemployed people to ease their pain? It is Constitutional and fiscally preposterous and catastrophically stupid. So the Conservatives/Republicans are in the absurd position of arguing to ONLY spend a couple trillion dollars that we don't have rather than more trillions of dollars that we don't have - and have no clue how we will ever pay for.

But one can never forget, this fight about Conservative VALUES must be ENTIRELY INTERNAL amongst those who consider themselves Conservatives. Democrats have no place in the discussion. They have long ago sold their figurative souls to the devil, so it is literally none of their business how Conservatives deal with the political reality of a voting population demanding free, unconstitutional goodies from Government, and promising to vote against anyone who is not on board.

 

[Mac1958]

So much for the fundamentals of conservatism.

How quickly they abandoned fiscal conservatism and family values.
The religious right pretending Trump is a man of God is most disturbing

Pure whiplash. They jumped off that train the minute he began speaking on Escalator Day.

This is why I'm convinced that this is all bullshit. What they really want is a pugilistic, nationalistic, authoritarian strongman.

Trump is the absolute embodiment of that, and they're just delirious over him. So much so, that they'll completely ignore the buffoonery.