Defining Conservatism

[TheGreenHornet]

Can it be defined? Should it be defined?

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[rightwinger]

Opposition to anything new

 

[kyzr]

Before Trump "conservatives" (aka "globalists") were on their way to being a minority.
Trump's populist agenda stopped the slide and is gaining popularity with many middle-class democrats, especially union members who want more US jobs.

U.S. Still Leans Conservative, but Liberals Keep Recent Gains

The nation's ideological balance held steady in 2018, with conservatives and moderates each at 35% and liberals remaining at last year's record high, 26%.

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RINOs like Mitt and George Will et.al. can have their moribund "conservative" ideology.

 

[Tijn Von Ingersleben]

It has, but I think we should examine greed, and self service in our society first. Got to fix that. Then we can be all 'conservative'. This country has a deep deep rot. There isn't a conservative leader in D.C. as far as I am concerned. Well...I am sure there is one oddball Republican who votes against the wave, is laughed at and will be PAC'd out of office.
The only thing that will cure this rot is upheaval, strife, death, and suffering. The shock of that trauma is the only thing throughout the history of man which has led him back to 'conservative' culture.
No Veronica...we are not special. We will be no different.

 

[night_son]

Can it be defined? Should it be defined?

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Republican and conservatism are no longer synonymous. Perhaps they haven't been in quite some time. True conservatism requires a love so great for the foundations of a civilization one must almost call it awe, even reverence. Conservatism also requires heady nationalism; a river of it running so deep and fast one only has eyes for his own country of birth. Republicans have lost such requirements for being the custodians of conservatism and the democrats outright executed their own necessary love of God and country somewhere prior to 1973 and Roe v. Wade. In short, we need a new party; a party of true love of country and all she stands and ever has stood for.

 

[kyzr]

Conservatism is where the "haves" setup the economic rules to increase their wealth.
Liberalism is where the "have nots" setup the economic rules to increase their wealth.

 

[forkup]

Can it be defined? Should it be defined?

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Your article seems to has a major contradiction in my opinion. The first tenet talks about conservatism being religious and even specifically Christian to the point of it rejecting reason as a guiding principle. The forth talks about being for free will. Christianity sufficiently fundamentalist to reject reason seems to me not to allow for free will. Since God in that paradigm is all-knowing and all-powerful. To me these two principles are unreconcilable.

As to the OP itself. Defining an ideology... any ideology precisely enough to serve as a working definition is simply impossible since almost every ideology serves more than one person and no two people think exactly the same.

 

[Chuz Life]

Can it be defined? Should it be defined?

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Republican and conservatism are no longer synonymous. Perhaps they haven't been in quite some time. True conservatism requires a love so great for the foundations of a civilization one must almost call it awe, even reverence. Conservatism also requires heady nationalism; a river of it running so deep and fast one only has eyes for his own country of birth. Republicans have lost such requirements for being the custodians of conservatism and the democrats outright executed their own necessary love of God and country somewhere prior to 1973 and Roe v. Wade. In short, we need a new party; a party of true love of country and all she stands and ever has stood for.

This is fairly close to my own views on the subject.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Mainstream Culture

 

[TheGreenHornet]

Can it be defined? Should it be defined?

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Republican and conservatism are no longer synonymous. Perhaps they haven't been in quite some time. True conservatism requires a love so great for the foundations of a civilization one must almost call it awe, even reverence. Conservatism also requires heady nationalism; a river of it running so deep and fast one only has eyes for his own country of birth. Republicans have lost such requirements for being the custodians of conservatism and the democrats outright executed their own necessary love of God and country somewhere prior to 1973 and Roe v. Wade. In short, we need a new party; a party of true love of country and all she stands and ever has stood for.

After Trump is re elected he needs to work to change the name of the party and in the process exclude the pc east coast elititists and all others who have constantly stabbed Trump in the back....especially romney.

The base of the party is white middle class folks.....the name of the party should be changed to indicate that.

I would suggest: The Christian Conserevative party.

 

[basquebromance]

Government is the visible form of society: if society itself be not an evil, neither surely is the government an evil, for government is the indispensable organ of society.

 

[basquebromance]

Conservatives believe that "entitlements" are not the same thing as "rights"

 

[basquebromance]

conservatives believe its ok that a couple of people are poor and die of hunger, whereas socialists would be ok if everyone dies of hunger as long as there is equality for trannies

 

[BluesLegend]

Are liberal Borgs trying to apply their hive mentality onto conservatives again? Conservatives are at the core individuals and independent thinkers hence they defy definition by the likes of the left.

 

[Mac1958]

Not sure how to define conservatism when the leader of the party, the President, is a hyper-Keynesian who doesn't even live by "conservative values". Maybe this is all just bullshit.

Looks to me like what conservatives really want is a pugilistic, nationalistic, authoritarian strongman. That's what they've got now and most of 'em adore him.

 

[kyzr]

Not sure how to define conservatism when the leader of the party, the President, is a hyper-Keynesian who doesn't even live by "conservative values". Maybe this is all just bullshit.

Looks to me like what conservatives really want is a pugilistic, nationalistic, authoritarian strongman. That's what they've got now and most of 'em adore him.

You appear to be over-thinking the Trump phenomena. Trump is a "moderate" he NOT a "strict conservative". Trump was a NYC democrat most of his life.
Do not call Republicans "conservatives" that could mean "globalist", aka "Never-Trumpers".
Call us New Republicans "populists" and "America Firsters" because our ideology boils down to jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, NOT moving factories to China like the globalists do. Yes you can call us "nationalistic", that is a good thing. Thats why we have so many crossover democrat voters.

Pugilistic?? Think about what Trump had to endure to get to the Whitehouse:
Trump's 1st term was a miracle in itself, the biggest upset in US election history. Hillary and the DNC actually colluded with and paid Russians for "dirt" on Trump, the "Steele Dossier". Obama used the power of the DOJ, FBI, CIA and other Federal agencies to illegally spy on and setup Trump for failure. Operations Crossfire Hurricane and Razor, the Mueller Investigation, Russian Collusion Hoax, the MSM's constant 95% negative coverage and "fake news", Never-Trump Republicans, the Lincoln Project, globalists of every stripe, the entrenched Deep State who all oppose Trump's policies, the planted leakers and whistle-blowers, and the RINOs who'd rather shill for K-Street than work for main street. Then add to all of that the outright hatred shown by the House democrats toward Trump, to the point of "non-crime" Impeachment Articles.

Trump is not an "authoritarian strongman", he has real management experience, something that the DC pols don't have. Most never even ran a lemonade stand, like Joe Biden.

 

[DustyInfinity]

Not sure how to define conservatism when the leader of the party, the President, is a hyper-Keynesian who doesn't even live by "conservative values". Maybe this is all just bullshit.

Looks to me like what conservatives really want is a pugilistic, nationalistic, authoritarian strongman. That's what they've got now and most of 'em adore him.

You appear to be over-thinking the Trump phenomena. Trump is a "moderate" he NOT a "strict conservative". Trump was a NYC democrat most of his life.
Do not call Republicans "conservatives" that could mean "globalist", aka "Never-Trumpers".
Call us New Republicans "populists" and "America Firsters" because our ideology boils down to jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, NOT moving factories to China like the globalists do. Yes you can call us "nationalistic", that is a good thing. Thats why we have so many crossover democrat voters.

Pugilistic?? Think about what Trump had to endure to get to the Whitehouse:
Trump's 1st term was a miracle in itself, the biggest upset in US election history. Hillary and the DNC actually colluded with and paid Russians for "dirt" on Trump, the "Steele Dossier". Obama used the power of the DOJ, FBI, CIA and other Federal agencies to illegally spy on and setup Trump for failure. Operations Crossfire Hurricane and Razor, the Mueller Investigation, Russian Collusion Hoax, the MSM's constant 95% negative coverage and "fake news", Never-Trump Republicans, the Lincoln Project, globalists of every stripe, the entrenched Deep State who all oppose Trump's policies, the planted leakers and whistle-blowers, and the RINOs who'd rather shill for K-Street than work for main street. Then add to all of that the outright hatred shown by the House democrats toward Trump, to the point of "non-crime" Impeachment Articles.

Trump is not an "authoritarian strongman", he has real management experience, something that the DC pols don't have. Most never even ran a lemonade stand, like Joe Biden.

If you don't roll over and play dead, you are authoritarian. No jobs here folks, here is a tent and a fire bomb, enjoy.

 

[WTH_Progs?]

Opposition to anything new

I think you have that confused with PROGS conforming with anything new that contradicts everything.

 

[kyzr]

Not sure how to define conservatism when the leader of the party, the President, is a hyper-Keynesian who doesn't even live by "conservative values". Maybe this is all just bullshit.

Looks to me like what conservatives really want is a pugilistic, nationalistic, authoritarian strongman. That's what they've got now and most of 'em adore him.

You appear to be over-thinking the Trump phenomena. Trump is a "moderate" he NOT a "strict conservative". Trump was a NYC democrat most of his life.
Do not call Republicans "conservatives" that could mean "globalist", aka "Never-Trumpers".
Call us New Republicans "populists" and "America Firsters" because our ideology boils down to jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, NOT moving factories to China like the globalists do. Yes you can call us "nationalistic", that is a good thing. Thats why we have so many crossover democrat voters.

Pugilistic?? Think about what Trump had to endure to get to the Whitehouse:
Trump's 1st term was a miracle in itself, the biggest upset in US election history. Hillary and the DNC actually colluded with and paid Russians for "dirt" on Trump, the "Steele Dossier". Obama used the power of the DOJ, FBI, CIA and other Federal agencies to illegally spy on and setup Trump for failure. Operations Crossfire Hurricane and Razor, the Mueller Investigation, Russian Collusion Hoax, the MSM's constant 95% negative coverage and "fake news", Never-Trump Republicans, the Lincoln Project, globalists of every stripe, the entrenched Deep State who all oppose Trump's policies, the planted leakers and whistle-blowers, and the RINOs who'd rather shill for K-Street than work for main street. Then add to all of that the outright hatred shown by the House democrats toward Trump, to the point of "non-crime" Impeachment Articles.

Trump is not an "authoritarian strongman", he has real management experience, something that the DC pols don't have. Most never even ran a lemonade stand, like Joe Biden.

If you don't roll over and play dead, you are authoritarian. No jobs here folks, here is a tent and a fire bomb, enjoy.

Exactly. The MSM are so used to DC pols rolling over that they simply can't deal with principled tough management, like Trump sticking with Kavanaugh even though the democrats and MSM mounted a vicious smear campaign. Trump won and the democrats lost. Even the conservatives and Never-Trumpers have to respect Trump's USSC picks. If it was up to "strict conservatives" and Trump wasn't the GOP nominee in 2016 the USSC would be run by Leftist judicial activists, because Hillary would have won.

 

[rightwinger]

Old School Conservative : Fiscally responsible, Socially repressive.

What passes for Conservative today: Cut taxes and spend, spend, spend. Hatred of anything that is not white, Christian and straight