Deep down, we all know that peace is best

[P F Tinmore]

There was no coup, dear.




As expected, tin'less is unable to support his goofy conspiracy theories and so must retreat to cutting and pasting of youtube videos of unknown origin and authenticity.

Do you mean that one from the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation? (CBC)

The edited and parsed one. Yeah, that one.

Pffft, where is your proof?

 

[P F Tinmore]

This Palestinian has no interest in " International Law" just like the rest of the Arab World. Too bad they didn't think of it prior to 1967.

Captured Jewish Holy Sites Desecrated



During the Jordanian occupation of Hebron from 1948 to 1967, Jews were not permitted to live in the city, nor -- despite the term of the 1948 Armistice Agreement -- to visit or pray at the Jewish holy sites in the city. Additionally, the Jordanian authorities and local residents undertook a systematic campaign to eliminate any evidence of the Jewish presence in the city. They razed the Jewish Quarter, desecrated the Jewish cemetery and built an animal pen on the ruins of the Avraham Avinu synagogue

Although there were numerous discussions of this issue, and Israeli complaints, the Jordanians refused to honor the agreement, and the UN did not pass any resolutions against this treatment of Jewish religious institutions.


Seriously, this is more proof that " International Law" does not exist when it pertains to Israel's safety , security and Religious Rights Israel will never be deprived of those Religious Sites again.

What does Jordan have to do with Palestine?

Nice attempt at deflection though.

" International Law" is supposed to apply to everybody.

Before 1967 the W.Bank and Gaza were part of Jordan and Egypt. Clearly those two Countries had no interest in " International Law"
If anything the U.N. Cooperated with them and went away.

Nice attempt at Your Double Standard though.

Oh...... In answer to your question...... Israel's most religious Sites are in E. Jerusalem and the Jewish People will never be deprived of them again.





Is the Arab Peace Plan Really About Peace? « Commentary Magazine















Secretary of State John Kerry hailed the idea of reviving the 2002 Arab Peace Initiative put forward yesterday in Washington by a delegation from the Arab League. Kerry, who reportedly is hoping to host a multi-party peace conference this spring, was pleased that Qatar’s foreign minister had suggested that the proposal might be modified from its original take-it-or-leave-it demand that Israel return to the 1967 lines to one that allowed for a mutually-agreed “minor swap of land” that would modify the border.

This is progress of a sort, and should not be entirely dismissed. But before those advocating for more Israeli concessions in response to the proposal get too excited, it’s important to remember why this initiative flopped the first time around: it’s not really a peace proposal.

While the Arab Peace Initiative continues to be cited by Israel’s critics as proof that the Jewish state really does have partners, this idea has always been more about polishing the image of the Arab world in the United States than anything else. Conceived in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks when the Arab states, and in particular Saudi Arabia, were viewed with disgust by most Americans, the initiative was part of an effort to rehabilitate their image. But despite the fact that New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman (who claimed it stemmed from a conversation he had with Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah) and others in the foreign policy community promoted the idea, it fizzled. Why? Because it was not an invitation to negotiate, but a diktat. Even worse, it contained a vital poison pill: the return of Palestinian refugees to Israel that would, in effect, mean the end of the Jewish state, not peace with it.



While the initiative does not specifically mention the so-called “right of return” by which the descendants of the Arab refugees of 1948 would be allowed to enter Israel, Prince Abdullah made this clear when he said this on the day the Arab League adopted the proposal:


I propose that the Arab summit put forward a clear and unanimous initiative addressed to the United Nations security council based on two basic issues: normal relations and security for Israel in exchange for full withdrawal from all occupied Arab territories, recognition of an independent Palestinian state with al-Quds al-Sharif as its capital, and the return of refugees.

It should be conceded that this is better than the famous “three no’s” enforced throughout the Arab world in the aftermath of the 1967 Six-Day War, when Muslim countries said they would not make peace, recognize or negotiate with Israel. But the effect is not all that different. The Arab League proposal envisions normal relations with an Israel that has been forced to retreat from all territories it won in a defensive war in 1967. But the Israel they want to make peace with is one that would be forced to accept millions of Arabs who would change it from a Jewish nation into yet another Arab one.


This will not happen either. The " palestinian state" is DOA !

Before 1967 the W.Bank and Gaza were part of Jordan and Egypt.

No they weren't.

 

[Billo_Really]

That may be psychotic opinion, but millions of Israelis see it as fact.

See what as a fact?

All of us are not stupid, especially when we hear Palestinians say it directly that they want to throw us into the sea.

All they want, is for you to get out (and off) their land.

This "into the sea" bullshit, is just your lame excuse to keep breaking the law.

So the only one in need for some serious thinking, here, is you, Billy-boy.

Why is that?

 

[Billo_Really]

Can you force someone to committe suicide?

In that case, you'll be considered a killer.

WTF does that have to do with what I just said?

 

[P F Tinmore]

This Palestinian has no interest in " International Law" just like the rest of the Arab World. Too bad they didn't think of it prior to 1967.

Captured Jewish Holy Sites Desecrated



During the Jordanian occupation of Hebron from 1948 to 1967, Jews were not permitted to live in the city, nor -- despite the term of the 1948 Armistice Agreement -- to visit or pray at the Jewish holy sites in the city. Additionally, the Jordanian authorities and local residents undertook a systematic campaign to eliminate any evidence of the Jewish presence in the city. They razed the Jewish Quarter, desecrated the Jewish cemetery and built an animal pen on the ruins of the Avraham Avinu synagogue

Although there were numerous discussions of this issue, and Israeli complaints, the Jordanians refused to honor the agreement, and the UN did not pass any resolutions against this treatment of Jewish religious institutions.


Seriously, this is more proof that " International Law" does not exist when it pertains to Israel's safety , security and Religious Rights Israel will never be deprived of those Religious Sites again.

What does Jordan have to do with Palestine?

Nice attempt at deflection though.

How about the fact that the maps you have provided show that Jordan is actually inside Palestine, and was once part of the Britush mandate for Palestine before WE gave them the land.

Where have I posted a map showing Jordan inside Palestine?

That's right Jordan was created in the same manner as Israel was out of part of the mandate of palestine

No it wasn't.

 

[Billo_Really]

He said that he wishes American troops come here and fight with us.

In other words, he wishes other Americans send over their sons to die for his own selfish ideology.

I think it's kind of sickening, personally.

It's not my "selfish ideology", it's the position of the entire ******* world!

That's not your land! It never will be your land! And the sooner you get the **** off that land, the sooner there will be peace. And if you don't go voluntarily, eventually you will be forced to.

 

[Billo_Really]

" Obey" the law? What law? Israel should " obey" the law just like the Arab Nations do when it pertains to Israel? I agree !!!!!


Syrian Front


Captured Jewish Holy Sites Desecrated




During the Jordanian occupation of Hebron from 1948 to 1967, Jews were not permitted to live in the city, nor -- despite the term of the 1948 Armistice Agreement -- to visit or pray at the Jewish holy sites in the city. Additionally, the Jordanian authorities and local residents undertook a systematic campaign to eliminate any evidence of the Jewish presence in the city. They razed the Jewish Quarter, desecrated the Jewish cemetery and built an animal pen on the ruins of the Avraham Avinu synagogue



More proof that " International Law" doesn't really exist.

Although there were numerous discussions of this issue, and Israeli complaints, the Jordanians refused to honor the agreement, and the UN did not pass any resolutions against this treatment of Jewish religious institutions.

Are you sure? Have you looked?

Six Day War

Tell us why the UN ( The " enforcer " of " International Law" ) Complied with Egypt's demands. It's because " International Law" doesn't really exist

Egypt demanded that the United Nations' Emergency Force abandon its stations across the border, from the Straits of Tiran, and from all Egyptian territories. The United Nations met their demands.


Get it; YOU MOTHER ******* ASSHOLE? OF COURSE NOT !

The UN was complying with the request of a sovereign nation, they were not operating under a UNSC resolution to stay.

 

[Billo_Really]

This is a bullshit thread.

The guy who started it, doesn't really want peace in the first place.

 

[Lipush]

Can you force someone to committe suicide?

In that case, you'll be considered a killer.

WTF does that have to do with what I just said?

You're smart enough to figure it out on your own.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Israelis were able to reach peace agreements with Jordan and Egypt.

Are Palestinians less interested in peace than Egypt and Jordan?

Egypt and Jordan never had to give up land in their peace agreements.

That's not true.

The West Bank was part of Jordan, but Jordan didn't want this field of trouble anymore, so it gave up on it (It illegally occupied it, but that's a different issue). Since they didn't want the land, technically Israel's ruling upon it isn't really an "occupation" since it didn't belong to any country.

People say it is because of the "Palestinian" community, not because it was taken by force.

The West Bank was never part of Jordan. It was occupied Palestinian land.

First you say that Jordan occupied the West Bank. Then you say that Israel isn't really an "occupation" since it didn't belong to any country.

You probably did not notice that you are contradicting yourself.

 

[Lipush]

He said that he wishes American troops come here and fight with us.

In other words, he wishes other Americans send over their sons to die for his own selfish ideology.

I think it's kind of sickening, personally.

It's not my "selfish ideology", it's the position of the entire ******* world!

That's not your land! It never will be your land! And the sooner you get the **** off that land, the sooner there will be peace. And if you don't go voluntarily, eventually you will be forced to.

It's not the opinion of the entire ******* world, its the opinion of the ignorant and fools.

It is our land, it was always our land, much before the Palestinian lie was first invented, much after it will fade.

And you wishing American parents sends their kids to die in here, shows you're pretty much of a coward.

you want to fight Israeli soldiers? come over here yourself, if you're so brave. Don't send others to do your words while you're busy spitting hatred infront of the computer screen.

If you're really for forcing anything upon us, you yourself dress up, take a rifle and come over. Our soldiers will be waiting for you.

 

[Lipush]

This is a bullshit thread.

The guy who started it, doesn't really want peace in the first place.

It's an opinion thread. People have the right to express their opinion. Much more ridiculous threats were created here, anyway.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Whatever are you talking about now, Tinny?

A foreign backed coup is an illegal external interference.

It is illegal for the US to support a government that came to power in a coup.

And at the same breath, it's insanly stupid to support someone just because he was democratically elected, like in Egypt.

Hitler was voted for democratically, too.

That doesn't mean anything.

That does not give foreigners the right to overthrow an elected government.

Bad analogy though.

 

[Lipush]

That may be psychotic opinion, but millions of Israelis see it as fact.

See what as a fact?

All of us are not stupid, especially when we hear Palestinians say it directly that they want to throw us into the sea.

All they want, is for you to get out (and off) their land.

This "into the sea" bullshit, is just your lame excuse to keep breaking the law.

So the only one in need for some serious thinking, here, is you, Billy-boy.

Why is that?

"All the want is for us to get out of their land"....

Billy doesn't care much from the truth as it is said by Palestinians themselves.

...The findings show that incitement against Israel and the Jewish people is continuing on official media channels including – inter alia – by bodies that are very close to the PA Chairman and in educational and religious networks. The findings also show that during the period of negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians, not only did incitement not lessen, in certain areas it even increased, and that recently, the use of prominent Nazi elements – such as the image of Hitler – has also increased.

From the data, it is clear that incitement activity is concentrated in communicating several main messages:

1. Israel has no right to exist, certainly not as the state of the Jewish People, which, in any case, have no link to the holy Land;

2. The disappearance of Israel is unavoidable and is expected soon;

3. The Jews are sub-human creatures and must be dealt with accordingly;

4. In principle, all forms of struggle, including terrorism, are legitimate in order to realize the final goal.

PA Incitement: Jews are 'Subhuman' - Middle East - News - Israel National News

Palestinian final goal- The complete destruction of Israel, as a step of achieving the Islamic prophecy, "For the day of judgement won't come until you fight the Jews and kill them, when the Jew will hide behind the stones and trees, and the stones and trees will call, Oh Muslim! slave of Allah, a Jew is hiding behind me! come and slay him!" Hadith Bukhari

 

[Lipush]

A foreign backed coup is an illegal external interference.

It is illegal for the US to support a government that came to power in a coup.

And at the same breath, it's insanly stupid to support someone just because he was democratically elected, like in Egypt.

Hitler was voted for democratically, too.

That doesn't mean anything.

That does not give foreigners the right to overthrow an elected government.

Bad analogy though.

The analogy isn't bad.

And it wasn't America who forced Morsi down, it was Egypt itself.

 

[P F Tinmore]

And at the same breath, it's insanly stupid to support someone just because he was democratically elected, like in Egypt.

Hitler was voted for democratically, too.

That doesn't mean anything.

That does not give foreigners the right to overthrow an elected government.

Bad analogy though.

The analogy isn't bad.

And it wasn't America who forced Morsi down, it was Egypt itself.

I was thinking that Hitler was a bad analogy.

I was thinking about the US coup in Palestine.

I feel sorry for Egypt. They are torn between the Muslim Brotherhood and a US stooge military.

 

[Kondor3]

This is a bullshit thread.

The guy who started it, doesn't really want peace in the first place.

It's an opinion thread. People have the right to express their opinion. Much more ridiculous threats were created here, anyway.

 

[Phoenall]

On The Map with Avi Lewis: Gaza Coup d'Etat? - YouTube

Yes a purely Islamic coup with no outside USA influence. That came much later when hamas became a terror group and was censured as such

Third grade name calling does not give you the right to overthrow an elected government.

Not a government though were they, as they were just an elected body to deal with the peace talks. Read the UN resolution that set it up and was agreed by all parties concerned.

 

[Lipush]

That does not give foreigners the right to overthrow an elected government.

Bad analogy though.

The analogy isn't bad.

And it wasn't America who forced Morsi down, it was Egypt itself.

I was thinking that Hitler was a bad analogy.

I was thinking about the US coup in Palestine.

I feel sorry for Egypt. They are torn between the Muslim Brotherhood and a US stooge military.

It's their problem and their solution to find.

 

[Phoenall]

Do you mean that one from the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation? (CBC)

The edited and parsed one. Yeah, that one.

Pffft, where is your proof?

Try the actual video