Deep down, we all know that peace is best

[Phoenall]

Peace is not the absence of conflict.
It is the presence of justice.

You should at least give credit where credit is due.
AND
quote at least a whole sentence:

“Peace is not merely the absence of war but the presence of justice, of law, of order —in short, of government.”
― Albert Einstein

How long has it been since the 'palestinians' had a government?
And when did they Ever have a real one?
Of course, Not being a 'real people' doesn't help the 'real govt' issue.
`

Palestine had a legitimate government until the US backed coup in June of 2007.

Wrong it had an interim quasi governing body that was supposed to negotiate a settlement and then hand over to a duly elected government. That quasi governing body had a life of 5 years and then it was supposed to dissolve in favour of a new national government of the new nation of Palestine. So by their own ignorance and stupidity there is still no Palestinian nation or Palestinian government

 

[Phoenall]

Peace is not the absence of conflict.

It is the presence of justice.

The Israelis were able to reach peace agreements with Jordan and Egypt.

Are Palestinians less interested in peace than Egypt and Jordan?

Egypt and Jordan never had to give up land in their peace agreements.

So what about the Sinai and the west bank that were part and parcel of the peace deals. Both Egypt and Jordan had to give up land to receive land back in the peace talks. And if you look at the wording of 242 Israel has to do a swap and not just take, which it has offered since 1967. All it wants is to have defensible borders with its neighbours, and in every UN resolution there is no mention of Palestine being one of its neighbours.

 

[Phoenall]

Egypt and Jordan never had to give up land in their peace agreements.

The Palestinians have a greater cause for upset because of the land Jordan denied them in the early 20th Century.

Yes?

Good point. Jordan was promised $3M a year for five years and the West Bank if they would not attack Israel in the upcoming war. Jordan has been the "uncle Tom" of the ME.

You can of course provide evidence of your slander from an unbiased source ?

 

[Phoenall]

The US is violating domestic and international law. Not that the criminal class running our government cares about such things.

Whatever are you talking about now, Tinny?

A foreign backed coup is an illegal external interference.

It is illegal for the US to support a government that came to power in a coup.

So which government would this be then, as I know of no legitimate government that fits the bill

 

[007]

Deep down, we all know that peace is best

Deep down, we all know that mankind will annihilate itself off the face of the earth before any semblance of world peace is accomplished.

It all boils down to the old high school experiment where students put two rats in a large cage. The rats lived in perfect harmony, eating, playing and sleeping together. As they put more and more rats in the cage, they became very irritable and started fighting, until there was so many rats in the cage, they were killing each other off.

Same exact thing is happening with mankind on earth. Were not much more than rats when it comes to killing each other off because we're over populating our cage.

 

[Phoenall]

A foreign backed coup is an illegal external interference.

It is illegal for the US to support a government that came to power in a coup.

I'm pretty sure that I know where you are going with this, but, just to be clear, and for the benefit of others who may not speculate correctly about the object(s) of your allegations...

Where am I going with this?


Members of the Government
Name Office Party
Ismail Hanieh Prime Minister Hamas
Azzam al-Ahmad Deputy Prime Minister Fatah
Salam Fayyad Finance Minister Third Way
Ziad Abu Amr Foreign Affairs Minister Independent
Talab al-Qawasmi Interior Minister Independent
Nasser Eddin al-Sha'er Education Minister Hamas
Mustafa al-Barghouthi Information Palestinian National Initiative
Bassam al-Salhi Culture Palestinian People's Party
Radwan al-Akhras Health Fatah
Sa'di al-Krunz Transport Fatah
Mahmoud Aloul Labour Fatah
Saleh Zeidan Social Affairs Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine
Taysir Abu Sneineh Prisoners' Affairs Fatah
Samir Abu Eisheh Planning Hamas
Mohammed al-Barghouthi Local Government Hamas
Ziad al-Thatha Economic Affairs Hamas
Basem Naim Youth and Sports Hamas
Yousef al-Mansi Telecommunications and Information Technology Hamas
Mohammed al-Agha Agriculture Hamas
Khouloud D'eibes Tourism Independent
Samih al-Abed Public Works Fatah
Ali al-Sartawi Justice Hamas
Hussein Tartouri Waqf and Religious Affairs Hamas
Amal Syam Woman Affairs Hamas
Wasfi Kabha State Hamas

Palestinian March 2007 National Unity Government - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The part of the unity government that is in Gaza.

The coup government in the West Bank. This government has no elective or constitutional legitimacy.


The US with help from others.

4. What faction are we backing?

The coup government.

5. Why are we backing that faction?

It was our coup.

Now here is the real kicker for you to attempt to answer

Of which legally recognised sovereign nation are these alleged politicians citizens of. It has to be a legally recognised nation under the terms of the UN charter, and it has to be a de facto government as detailed under the UN charter. It cant be an unrecognised self professed nation nor an interim governing body for the sole purpose of negotiating a peacefull settlement to an ongoing spat.

 

[Phoenall]

Deep down, we all know that peace is best

Ray Hanania

Being Palestinian is like living on a roller coaster, a ride that has its ups and downs, its fear and its excitement. There are some days where I am angry about the violence that takes so many lives. And there are other days when I am frustrated by the lack of common sense.

Still, there are a few days when reason overcomes emotion, and deep down I know that if Israelis and Palestinians were to ever sign a peace agreement creating two-states, and then gave it a little time to heal the passions, we would be the closest of peoples.

Yes, Palestinians and Israelis would be allies in the Middle East. Everyone in the Middle East has paid a price for the endless Arab-Israeli conflict. Everyone is a victim. The only things that really separate us are politics, religion and our attitudes.

It’s not easy being human and it’s not easy as a human to turn the other cheek and ignore an insult, or forget about pride. It’s not easy to forgive an enemy, or to remember the victims of violence without also stoking the flames of vengeance with hatred.

I agree with this part.

Hate is a byproduct of mixing anger and frustration. It’s a state of mind that causes people to act against someone else. During the past few months, we’ve seen violence on both sides. Palestinians and Israelis trying to kill each other and inflict harm. Sometimes they have succeeded. Depending on where you stand, the chronology begins at your own suffering.

In the generic sense, this is true. However, within the context of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the violence and suffering by each side, is not equal. It's not even close. One side has committed 100 times the violence and caused 100 times the suffering for the other side. So lets keep things in perspective.

I agree with this.

This is correct and could not be stated more.

The conflict is about "land and fear"; it is not about Judaism and Islam.

That requires people to do something their not willing to do, which is look at themselves personally and see what their role has been in helping to create the conflict.

"What have I done wrong?"
"How have I contributed to the hatred?"
"What role have I played in all of this?"​

Many people aren't willing to do that. For me personally, this conflict doesn't affect my daily life in any way. I'm not a jew and I'm not muslim. I'm a white, Irish Catholic living in Southern California and yet, I have to admit my own role in this conflict, whether I like it or not.

That's the first step all of us have to take. To stop lying to ourselves. Until you can do that, we cannot proceed to the next step.

That is true. Except the big problem with Abbas and the Palestinian's, is they view him as a corrupt politician and an Israeli puppet who does not have the Pals best interests in mind.

See what I mean? He doesn't have the Palestinian's best interests in mind.

Abbas is wrong to say that. One of the big problems in this conflict is people unwilling to hold Israel accountable for the crimes it has committed. The BDS movement is holding them accountable.

Now that's bullshit! If someone robs a bank, you do not cut deals with the bank robbers that allow them to keep some of the loot. If they break the law (or commit an injustice), you bring them to justice and hold them accountable for their crimes. That's exactly what happened to the ones who started WWII with the following Nuremburg trials.

Palestinian's hate Abbas for the reasons I mentioned above. That's why they voted for Hamas. Because they believe Hamas will look out for their interests more than Abbas.

Or how about just obeying the damn law? The United Nations Charter was created as a mechanism for people to settle their differences peacefully and without conflict. By honoring its Charter, peace can be attained. But by showing nothing but contempt and disdain for that Charter, peace will not happen.

That will happen when people have their "Eisenhower moment". Just like average Germans refusing to believe the Holocaust, until Eisenhower made them bury the dead and it became impossible to deny it any longer. In this case, it will happen when people stop accepting the violence and start rejecting it.

Well, I hope you get your wish.

It's a good wish!

It's captivated me because I think far too many people in my country kiss a little too much Israeli ass.

Change only comes from within. The only one you can change, is yourself. That's where the focus must be. Always blaming the other guy, won't get it done. Like I said above, you have to look at your own role in all of this.

Oh c'mon! Israel is the big dog on the block. There isn't a single country in the ME that can whip their ass. The last time someone tried, they got their ass kicked in less than a week. And nothing has changed since. Israel exists and they're not going anywhere. Unless we give them Wisconsin (the Mormons already took Utah).

Anger and hatred can change things, or reason and compassion can change things for the better. Reason and compassion can help secure the future for everyone.

I agree with this.

If Israelis were to be more reasoned, and Palestinians less angry, maybe we could see each other for who we really are, cousins with the same past and the same future. I hope that future is peace.

The Palestinian's are angry, because Israel is not reasonable.

The Palestinians are livid and psychotic because they cant have their own way and drive the Jews into the sea and steal all the land. That has been their rallying call since 1948

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Palestinians have a greater cause for upset because of the land Jordan denied them in the early 20th Century.

Yes?

Good point. Jordan was promised $3M a year for five years and the West Bank if they would not attack Israel in the upcoming war. Jordan has been the "uncle Tom" of the ME.

You can of course provide evidence of your slander from an unbiased source ?

In 1946–47, Abdullah said that he had no intention to "resist or impede the partition of Palestine and creation of a Jewish state."[73] Ideally, Abdullah would have liked to annex all of Palestine, but he was prepared to compromise.[74][75] He supported the partition, intending that the West Bank area of the British Mandate allocated for the Arab state be annexed to Jordan.[76] Abdullah had secret meetings with the Jewish Agency (at which the future Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir was among the delegates) that reached an agreement of Jewish non-interference with Jordanian annexation of the West Bank (although Abdullah failed in his goal of acquiring an outlet to the Mediterranean Sea through the Negev desert) and of Jordanian agreement not to attack the area of the Jewish state contained in the United Nations partition resolution (in which Jerusalem was given neither to the Arab nor the Jewish state, but was to be an internationally administered area). In order to keep their support to his plan of annexion of the Arab State, Abdullah promised to the British he would not attack the Jewish State.[77]

1948 Arab?Israeli War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Hollie]

A foreign backed coup is an illegal external interference.

It is illegal for the US to support a government that came to power in a coup.

I'm pretty sure that I know where you are going with this, but, just to be clear, and for the benefit of others who may not speculate correctly about the object(s) of your allegations...

Where am I going with this?


Members of the Government
Name Office Party
Ismail Hanieh Prime Minister Hamas
Azzam al-Ahmad Deputy Prime Minister Fatah
Salam Fayyad Finance Minister Third Way
Ziad Abu Amr Foreign Affairs Minister Independent
Talab al-Qawasmi Interior Minister Independent
Nasser Eddin al-Sha'er Education Minister Hamas
Mustafa al-Barghouthi Information Palestinian National Initiative
Bassam al-Salhi Culture Palestinian People's Party
Radwan al-Akhras Health Fatah
Sa'di al-Krunz Transport Fatah
Mahmoud Aloul Labour Fatah
Saleh Zeidan Social Affairs Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine
Taysir Abu Sneineh Prisoners' Affairs Fatah
Samir Abu Eisheh Planning Hamas
Mohammed al-Barghouthi Local Government Hamas
Ziad al-Thatha Economic Affairs Hamas
Basem Naim Youth and Sports Hamas
Yousef al-Mansi Telecommunications and Information Technology Hamas
Mohammed al-Agha Agriculture Hamas
Khouloud D'eibes Tourism Independent
Samih al-Abed Public Works Fatah
Ali al-Sartawi Justice Hamas
Hussein Tartouri Waqf and Religious Affairs Hamas
Amal Syam Woman Affairs Hamas
Wasfi Kabha State Hamas

Palestinian March 2007 National Unity Government - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The part of the unity government that is in Gaza.

The coup government in the West Bank. This government has no elective or constitutional legitimacy.


The US with help from others.

4. What faction are we backing?

The coup government.

5. Why are we backing that faction?

It was our coup.

There was no coup, dear.

Less conspiratorial musings and more facts. thanks.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I'm pretty sure that I know where you are going with this, but, just to be clear, and for the benefit of others who may not speculate correctly about the object(s) of your allegations...

Where am I going with this?


Members of the Government
Name Office Party
Ismail Hanieh Prime Minister Hamas
Azzam al-Ahmad Deputy Prime Minister Fatah
Salam Fayyad Finance Minister Third Way
Ziad Abu Amr Foreign Affairs Minister Independent
Talab al-Qawasmi Interior Minister Independent
Nasser Eddin al-Sha'er Education Minister Hamas
Mustafa al-Barghouthi Information Palestinian National Initiative
Bassam al-Salhi Culture Palestinian People's Party
Radwan al-Akhras Health Fatah
Sa'di al-Krunz Transport Fatah
Mahmoud Aloul Labour Fatah
Saleh Zeidan Social Affairs Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine
Taysir Abu Sneineh Prisoners' Affairs Fatah
Samir Abu Eisheh Planning Hamas
Mohammed al-Barghouthi Local Government Hamas
Ziad al-Thatha Economic Affairs Hamas
Basem Naim Youth and Sports Hamas
Yousef al-Mansi Telecommunications and Information Technology Hamas
Mohammed al-Agha Agriculture Hamas
Khouloud D'eibes Tourism Independent
Samih al-Abed Public Works Fatah
Ali al-Sartawi Justice Hamas
Hussein Tartouri Waqf and Religious Affairs Hamas
Amal Syam Woman Affairs Hamas
Wasfi Kabha State Hamas

Palestinian March 2007 National Unity Government - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The part of the unity government that is in Gaza.

The coup government in the West Bank. This government has no elective or constitutional legitimacy.


The US with help from others.


The coup government.

5. Why are we backing that faction?

It was our coup.

There was no coup, dear.

Less conspiratorial musings and more facts. thanks.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72ai-Udti1M]On The Map with Avi Lewis: Gaza Coup d'Etat? - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Hollie]

Where am I going with this?


Members of the Government
Name Office Party
Ismail Hanieh Prime Minister Hamas
Azzam al-Ahmad Deputy Prime Minister Fatah
Salam Fayyad Finance Minister Third Way
Ziad Abu Amr Foreign Affairs Minister Independent
Talab al-Qawasmi Interior Minister Independent
Nasser Eddin al-Sha'er Education Minister Hamas
Mustafa al-Barghouthi Information Palestinian National Initiative
Bassam al-Salhi Culture Palestinian People's Party
Radwan al-Akhras Health Fatah
Sa'di al-Krunz Transport Fatah
Mahmoud Aloul Labour Fatah
Saleh Zeidan Social Affairs Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine
Taysir Abu Sneineh Prisoners' Affairs Fatah
Samir Abu Eisheh Planning Hamas
Mohammed al-Barghouthi Local Government Hamas
Ziad al-Thatha Economic Affairs Hamas
Basem Naim Youth and Sports Hamas
Yousef al-Mansi Telecommunications and Information Technology Hamas
Mohammed al-Agha Agriculture Hamas
Khouloud D'eibes Tourism Independent
Samih al-Abed Public Works Fatah
Ali al-Sartawi Justice Hamas
Hussein Tartouri Waqf and Religious Affairs Hamas
Amal Syam Woman Affairs Hamas
Wasfi Kabha State Hamas

Palestinian March 2007 National Unity Government - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The part of the unity government that is in Gaza.

The coup government in the West Bank. This government has no elective or constitutional legitimacy.


The US with help from others.


The coup government.


It was our coup.

There was no coup, dear.

Less conspiratorial musings and more facts. thanks.

As expected, tin'less is unable to support his goofy conspiracy theories and so must retreat to cutting and pasting of youtube videos of unknown origin and authenticity.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Where am I going with this?


Members of the Government
Name Office Party
Ismail Hanieh Prime Minister Hamas
Azzam al-Ahmad Deputy Prime Minister Fatah
Salam Fayyad Finance Minister Third Way
Ziad Abu Amr Foreign Affairs Minister Independent
Talab al-Qawasmi Interior Minister Independent
Nasser Eddin al-Sha'er Education Minister Hamas
Mustafa al-Barghouthi Information Palestinian National Initiative
Bassam al-Salhi Culture Palestinian People's Party
Radwan al-Akhras Health Fatah
Sa'di al-Krunz Transport Fatah
Mahmoud Aloul Labour Fatah
Saleh Zeidan Social Affairs Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine
Taysir Abu Sneineh Prisoners' Affairs Fatah
Samir Abu Eisheh Planning Hamas
Mohammed al-Barghouthi Local Government Hamas
Ziad al-Thatha Economic Affairs Hamas
Basem Naim Youth and Sports Hamas
Yousef al-Mansi Telecommunications and Information Technology Hamas
Mohammed al-Agha Agriculture Hamas
Khouloud D'eibes Tourism Independent
Samih al-Abed Public Works Fatah
Ali al-Sartawi Justice Hamas
Hussein Tartouri Waqf and Religious Affairs Hamas
Amal Syam Woman Affairs Hamas
Wasfi Kabha State Hamas

Palestinian March 2007 National Unity Government - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The part of the unity government that is in Gaza.

The coup government in the West Bank. This government has no elective or constitutional legitimacy.


The US with help from others.


The coup government.


It was our coup.

There was no coup, dear.

Less conspiratorial musings and more facts. thanks.

As expected, tin'less is unable to support his goofy conspiracy theories and so must retreat to cutting and pasting of youtube videos of unknown origin and authenticity.

Do you mean that one from the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation? (CBC)

 

[Hollie]

Where am I going with this?


Members of the Government
Name Office Party
Ismail Hanieh Prime Minister Hamas
Azzam al-Ahmad Deputy Prime Minister Fatah
Salam Fayyad Finance Minister Third Way
Ziad Abu Amr Foreign Affairs Minister Independent
Talab al-Qawasmi Interior Minister Independent
Nasser Eddin al-Sha'er Education Minister Hamas
Mustafa al-Barghouthi Information Palestinian National Initiative
Bassam al-Salhi Culture Palestinian People's Party
Radwan al-Akhras Health Fatah
Sa'di al-Krunz Transport Fatah
Mahmoud Aloul Labour Fatah
Saleh Zeidan Social Affairs Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine
Taysir Abu Sneineh Prisoners' Affairs Fatah
Samir Abu Eisheh Planning Hamas
Mohammed al-Barghouthi Local Government Hamas
Ziad al-Thatha Economic Affairs Hamas
Basem Naim Youth and Sports Hamas
Yousef al-Mansi Telecommunications and Information Technology Hamas
Mohammed al-Agha Agriculture Hamas
Khouloud D'eibes Tourism Independent
Samih al-Abed Public Works Fatah
Ali al-Sartawi Justice Hamas
Hussein Tartouri Waqf and Religious Affairs Hamas
Amal Syam Woman Affairs Hamas
Wasfi Kabha State Hamas

Palestinian March 2007 National Unity Government - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The part of the unity government that is in Gaza.

The coup government in the West Bank. This government has no elective or constitutional legitimacy.


The US with help from others.


The coup government.


It was our coup.

There was no coup, dear.

Less conspiratorial musings and more facts. thanks.

As expected, tin'less is unable to support his goofy conspiracy theories and so must retreat to cutting and pasting of youtube videos of unknown origin and authenticity.

Do you mean that one from the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation? (CBC)

The edited and parsed one. Yeah, that one.

 

[proudveteran06]

Palestine had a legitimate government until the US backed coup in June of 2007.

Boo frikkin hoo.



Palestinians Celebrating 9/11 Attack - YouTube

The US is violating domestic and international law. Not that the criminal class running our government cares about such things.

This Palestinian has no interest in " International Law" just like the rest of the Arab World. Too bad they didn't think of it prior to 1967.

Captured Jewish Holy Sites Desecrated



During the Jordanian occupation of Hebron from 1948 to 1967, Jews were not permitted to live in the city, nor -- despite the term of the 1948 Armistice Agreement -- to visit or pray at the Jewish holy sites in the city. Additionally, the Jordanian authorities and local residents undertook a systematic campaign to eliminate any evidence of the Jewish presence in the city. They razed the Jewish Quarter, desecrated the Jewish cemetery and built an animal pen on the ruins of the Avraham Avinu synagogue

Although there were numerous discussions of this issue, and Israeli complaints, the Jordanians refused to honor the agreement, and the UN did not pass any resolutions against this treatment of Jewish religious institutions.


Seriously, this is more proof that " International Law" does not exist when it pertains to Israel's safety , security and Religious Rights Israel will never be deprived of those Religious Sites again.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Boo frikkin hoo.



Palestinians Celebrating 9/11 Attack - YouTube

The US is violating domestic and international law. Not that the criminal class running our government cares about such things.

This Palestinian has no interest in " International Law" just like the rest of the Arab World. Too bad they didn't think of it prior to 1967.

Captured Jewish Holy Sites Desecrated



During the Jordanian occupation of Hebron from 1948 to 1967, Jews were not permitted to live in the city, nor -- despite the term of the 1948 Armistice Agreement -- to visit or pray at the Jewish holy sites in the city. Additionally, the Jordanian authorities and local residents undertook a systematic campaign to eliminate any evidence of the Jewish presence in the city. They razed the Jewish Quarter, desecrated the Jewish cemetery and built an animal pen on the ruins of the Avraham Avinu synagogue

Although there were numerous discussions of this issue, and Israeli complaints, the Jordanians refused to honor the agreement, and the UN did not pass any resolutions against this treatment of Jewish religious institutions.


Seriously, this is more proof that " International Law" does not exist when it pertains to Israel's safety , security and Religious Rights Israel will never be deprived of those Religious Sites again.

What does Jordan have to do with Palestine?

Nice attempt at deflection though.

 

[proudveteran06]

The US is violating domestic and international law. Not that the criminal class running our government cares about such things.

This Palestinian has no interest in " International Law" just like the rest of the Arab World. Too bad they didn't think of it prior to 1967.

Captured Jewish Holy Sites Desecrated



During the Jordanian occupation of Hebron from 1948 to 1967, Jews were not permitted to live in the city, nor -- despite the term of the 1948 Armistice Agreement -- to visit or pray at the Jewish holy sites in the city. Additionally, the Jordanian authorities and local residents undertook a systematic campaign to eliminate any evidence of the Jewish presence in the city. They razed the Jewish Quarter, desecrated the Jewish cemetery and built an animal pen on the ruins of the Avraham Avinu synagogue

Although there were numerous discussions of this issue, and Israeli complaints, the Jordanians refused to honor the agreement, and the UN did not pass any resolutions against this treatment of Jewish religious institutions.


Seriously, this is more proof that " International Law" does not exist when it pertains to Israel's safety , security and Religious Rights Israel will never be deprived of those Religious Sites again.

What does Jordan have to do with Palestine?

Nice attempt at deflection though.

" International Law" is supposed to apply to everybody.

Before 1967 the W.Bank and Gaza were part of Jordan and Egypt. Clearly those two Countries had no interest in " International Law"
If anything the U.N. Cooperated with them and went away.

Nice attempt at Your Double Standard though.

Oh...... In answer to your question...... Israel's most religious Sites are in E. Jerusalem and the Jewish People will never be deprived of them again.





Is the Arab Peace Plan Really About Peace? « Commentary Magazine















Secretary of State John Kerry hailed the idea of reviving the 2002 Arab Peace Initiative put forward yesterday in Washington by a delegation from the Arab League. Kerry, who reportedly is hoping to host a multi-party peace conference this spring, was pleased that Qatar’s foreign minister had suggested that the proposal might be modified from its original take-it-or-leave-it demand that Israel return to the 1967 lines to one that allowed for a mutually-agreed “minor swap of land” that would modify the border.

This is progress of a sort, and should not be entirely dismissed. But before those advocating for more Israeli concessions in response to the proposal get too excited, it’s important to remember why this initiative flopped the first time around: it’s not really a peace proposal.

While the Arab Peace Initiative continues to be cited by Israel’s critics as proof that the Jewish state really does have partners, this idea has always been more about polishing the image of the Arab world in the United States than anything else. Conceived in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks when the Arab states, and in particular Saudi Arabia, were viewed with disgust by most Americans, the initiative was part of an effort to rehabilitate their image. But despite the fact that New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman (who claimed it stemmed from a conversation he had with Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah) and others in the foreign policy community promoted the idea, it fizzled. Why? Because it was not an invitation to negotiate, but a diktat. Even worse, it contained a vital poison pill: the return of Palestinian refugees to Israel that would, in effect, mean the end of the Jewish state, not peace with it.



While the initiative does not specifically mention the so-called “right of return” by which the descendants of the Arab refugees of 1948 would be allowed to enter Israel, Prince Abdullah made this clear when he said this on the day the Arab League adopted the proposal:


I propose that the Arab summit put forward a clear and unanimous initiative addressed to the United Nations security council based on two basic issues: normal relations and security for Israel in exchange for full withdrawal from all occupied Arab territories, recognition of an independent Palestinian state with al-Quds al-Sharif as its capital, and the return of refugees.

It should be conceded that this is better than the famous “three no’s” enforced throughout the Arab world in the aftermath of the 1967 Six-Day War, when Muslim countries said they would not make peace, recognize or negotiate with Israel. But the effect is not all that different. The Arab League proposal envisions normal relations with an Israel that has been forced to retreat from all territories it won in a defensive war in 1967. But the Israel they want to make peace with is one that would be forced to accept millions of Arabs who would change it from a Jewish nation into yet another Arab one.


This will not happen either. The " palestinian state" is DOA !

 

[irosie91]

I propose that Saudi arabia accept as full citizens-----500,000 Zoroastrians,
500,000 christians and 500,000 jews. Full citizenship should also be
granted all hindus now living in Saudi arabia FAIR IS FAIR

 

[Billo_Really]

The Palestinians are livid and psychotic because they cant have their own way and drive the Jews into the sea and steal all the land. That has been their rallying call since 1948

More proof you are a racist lunatic who doesn't want peace under any conditions.

If I was President, I'd send in the marines and kick the fucking shit out of the IOF in the OPT.

How do you like them apples?

 

[proudveteran06]

The Palestinians are livid and psychotic because they cant have their own way and drive the Jews into the sea and steal all the land. That has been their rallying call since 1948

More proof you are a racist lunatic who doesn't want peace under any conditions.

If I was President, I'd send in the marines and kick the fucking shit out of the IOF in the OPT.

How do you like them apples?

More proof that you are a Racist Lunatic who doesn't believe Israel has the right to exist and demands Israel gives all Concessions


Is the Arab Peace Plan Really About Peace? « Commentary Magazine















Secretary of State John Kerry hailed the idea of reviving the 2002 Arab Peace Initiative put forward yesterday in Washington by a delegation from the Arab League. Kerry, who reportedly is hoping to host a multi-party peace conference this spring, was pleased that Qatar’s foreign minister had suggested that the proposal might be modified from its original take-it-or-leave-it demand that Israel return to the 1967 lines to one that allowed for a mutually-agreed “minor swap of land” that would modify the border.

This is progress of a sort, and should not be entirely dismissed. But before those advocating for more Israeli concessions in response to the proposal get too excited, it’s important to remember why this initiative flopped the first time around: it’s not really a peace proposal.

While the Arab Peace Initiative continues to be cited by Israel’s critics as proof that the Jewish state really does have partners, this idea has always been more about polishing the image of the Arab world in the United States than anything else. Conceived in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks when the Arab states, and in particular Saudi Arabia, were viewed with disgust by most Americans, the initiative was part of an effort to rehabilitate their image. But despite the fact that New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman (who claimed it stemmed from a conversation he had with Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah) and others in the foreign policy community promoted the idea, it fizzled. Why? Because it was not an invitation to negotiate, but a diktat. Even worse, it contained a vital poison pill: the return of Palestinian refugees to Israel that would, in effect, mean the end of the Jewish state, not peace with it.



While the initiative does not specifically mention the so-called “right of return” by which the descendants of the Arab refugees of 1948 would be allowed to enter Israel, Prince Abdullah made this clear when he said this on the day the Arab League adopted the proposal:


I propose that the Arab summit put forward a clear and unanimous initiative addressed to the United Nations security council based on two basic issues: normal relations and security for Israel in exchange for full withdrawal from all occupied Arab territories, recognition of an independent Palestinian state with al-Quds al-Sharif as its capital, and the return of refugees.

It should be conceded that this is better than the famous “three no’s” enforced throughout the Arab world in the aftermath of the 1967 Six-Day War, when Muslim countries said they would not make peace, recognize or negotiate with Israel. But the effect is not all that different. The Arab League proposal envisions normal relations with an Israel that has been forced to retreat from all territories it won in a defensive war in 1967. But the Israel they want to make peace with is one that would be forced to accept millions of Arabs who would change it from a Jewish nation into yet another Arab one.


http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1948to1967_holysites.php


Abbas: 'Not a single Israeli' in future Palestinian state | JPost | Israel News


Leave it to a FUCKING Pro Palestinian to have Delusions of Grandeur. What you would do if you were " president" is irrelevant ( like you are )

 

[Phoenall]

Good point. Jordan was promised $3M a year for five years and the West Bank if they would not attack Israel in the upcoming war. Jordan has been the "uncle Tom" of the ME.

You can of course provide evidence of your slander from an unbiased source ?

In 1946–47, Abdullah said that he had no intention to "resist or impede the partition of Palestine and creation of a Jewish state."[73] Ideally, Abdullah would have liked to annex all of Palestine, but he was prepared to compromise.[74][75] He supported the partition, intending that the West Bank area of the British Mandate allocated for the Arab state be annexed to Jordan.[76] Abdullah had secret meetings with the Jewish Agency (at which the future Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir was among the delegates) that reached an agreement of Jewish non-interference with Jordanian annexation of the West Bank (although Abdullah failed in his goal of acquiring an outlet to the Mediterranean Sea through the Negev desert) and of Jordanian agreement not to attack the area of the Jewish state contained in the United Nations partition resolution (in which Jerusalem was given neither to the Arab nor the Jewish state, but was to be an internationally administered area). In order to keep their support to his plan of annexion of the Arab State, Abdullah promised to the British he would not attack the Jewish State.[77]

1948 Arab?Israeli War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No mention of the $3million a year, and you have just proven that muslims can not be trusted to keep their word as he did attack Israel along with all the other arab league nations in 1948.