Wrong it had an interim quasi governing body that was supposed to negotiate a settlement and then hand over to a duly elected government. That quasi governing body had a life of 5 years and then it was supposed to dissolve in favour of a new national government of the new nation of Palestine. So by their own ignorance and stupidity there is still no Palestinian nation or Palestinian government
Deep down, we all know that peace is best
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Wrong it had an interim quasi governing body that was supposed to negotiate a settlement and then hand over to a duly elected government. That quasi governing body had a life of 5 years and then it was supposed to dissolve in favour of a new national government of the new nation of Palestine. So by their own ignorance and stupidity there is still no Palestinian nation or Palestinian government
So what about the Sinai and the west bank that were part and parcel of the peace deals. Both Egypt and Jordan had to give up land to receive land back in the peace talks. And if you look at the wording of 242 Israel has to do a swap and not just take, which it has offered since 1967. All it wants is to have defensible borders with its neighbours, and in every UN resolution there is no mention of Palestine being one of its neighbours.
So which government would this be then, as I know of no legitimate government that fits the bill
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Deep down, we all know that mankind will annihilate itself off the face of the earth before any semblance of world peace is accomplished.
It all boils down to the old high school experiment where students put two rats in a large cage. The rats lived in perfect harmony, eating, playing and sleeping together. As they put more and more rats in the cage, they became very irritable and started fighting, until there was so many rats in the cage, they were killing each other off.
Same exact thing is happening with mankind on earth. Were not much more than rats when it comes to killing each other off because we're over populating our cage.
Now here is the real kicker for you to attempt to answer
Of which legally recognised sovereign nation are these alleged politicians citizens of. It has to be a legally recognised nation under the terms of the UN charter, and it has to be a de facto government as detailed under the UN charter. It cant be an unrecognised self professed nation nor an interim governing body for the sole purpose of negotiating a peacefull settlement to an ongoing spat.
The Palestinians are livid and psychotic because they cant have their own way and drive the Jews into the sea and steal all the land. That has been their rallying call since 1948
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In 1946–47, Abdullah said that he had no intention to "resist or impede the partition of Palestine and creation of a Jewish state."[73] Ideally, Abdullah would have liked to annex all of Palestine, but he was prepared to compromise.[74][75] He supported the partition, intending that the West Bank area of the British Mandate allocated for the Arab state be annexed to Jordan.[76] Abdullah had secret meetings with the Jewish Agency (at which the future Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir was among the delegates) that reached an agreement of Jewish non-interference with Jordanian annexation of the West Bank (although Abdullah failed in his goal of acquiring an outlet to the Mediterranean Sea through the Negev desert) and of Jordanian agreement not to attack the area of the Jewish state contained in the United Nations partition resolution (in which Jerusalem was given neither to the Arab nor the Jewish state, but was to be an internationally administered area). In order to keep their support to his plan of annexion of the Arab State, Abdullah promised to the British he would not attack the Jewish State.[77]
1948 Arab?Israeli War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72ai-Udti1M]On The Map with Avi Lewis: Gaza Coup d'Etat? - YouTube[/ame]
There was no coup, dear.
As expected, tin'less is unable to support his goofy conspiracy theories and so must retreat to cutting and pasting of youtube videos of unknown origin and authenticity.
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Do you mean that one from the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation? (CBC)
The edited and parsed one. Yeah, that one.
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The US is violating domestic and international law. Not that the criminal class running our government cares about such things.
This Palestinian has no interest in " International Law" just like the rest of the Arab World. Too bad they didn't think of it prior to 1967.
Captured Jewish Holy Sites Desecrated
During the Jordanian occupation of Hebron from 1948 to 1967, Jews were not permitted to live in the city, nor -- despite the term of the 1948 Armistice Agreement -- to visit or pray at the Jewish holy sites in the city. Additionally, the Jordanian authorities and local residents undertook a systematic campaign to eliminate any evidence of the Jewish presence in the city. They razed the Jewish Quarter, desecrated the Jewish cemetery and built an animal pen on the ruins of the Avraham Avinu synagogue
Although there were numerous discussions of this issue, and Israeli complaints, the Jordanians refused to honor the agreement, and the UN did not pass any resolutions against this treatment of Jewish religious institutions.
Seriously, this is more proof that " International Law" does not exist when it pertains to Israel's safety , security and Religious Rights Israel will never be deprived of those Religious Sites again.
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The US is violating domestic and international law. Not that the criminal class running our government cares about such things.
This Palestinian has no interest in " International Law" just like the rest of the Arab World. Too bad they didn't think of it prior to 1967.
Captured Jewish Holy Sites Desecrated
During the Jordanian occupation of Hebron from 1948 to 1967, Jews were not permitted to live in the city, nor -- despite the term of the 1948 Armistice Agreement -- to visit or pray at the Jewish holy sites in the city. Additionally, the Jordanian authorities and local residents undertook a systematic campaign to eliminate any evidence of the Jewish presence in the city. They razed the Jewish Quarter, desecrated the Jewish cemetery and built an animal pen on the ruins of the Avraham Avinu synagogue
Although there were numerous discussions of this issue, and Israeli complaints, the Jordanians refused to honor the agreement, and the UN did not pass any resolutions against this treatment of Jewish religious institutions.
Seriously, this is more proof that " International Law" does not exist when it pertains to Israel's safety , security and Religious Rights Israel will never be deprived of those Religious Sites again.
What does Jordan have to do with Palestine?
Nice attempt at deflection though.
proudveteran06
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This Palestinian has no interest in " International Law" just like the rest of the Arab World. Too bad they didn't think of it prior to 1967.
Captured Jewish Holy Sites Desecrated
During the Jordanian occupation of Hebron from 1948 to 1967, Jews were not permitted to live in the city, nor -- despite the term of the 1948 Armistice Agreement -- to visit or pray at the Jewish holy sites in the city. Additionally, the Jordanian authorities and local residents undertook a systematic campaign to eliminate any evidence of the Jewish presence in the city. They razed the Jewish Quarter, desecrated the Jewish cemetery and built an animal pen on the ruins of the Avraham Avinu synagogue
Although there were numerous discussions of this issue, and Israeli complaints, the Jordanians refused to honor the agreement, and the UN did not pass any resolutions against this treatment of Jewish religious institutions.
Seriously, this is more proof that " International Law" does not exist when it pertains to Israel's safety , security and Religious Rights Israel will never be deprived of those Religious Sites again.
What does Jordan have to do with Palestine?
Nice attempt at deflection though.
" International Law" is supposed to apply to everybody.
Before 1967 the W.Bank and Gaza were part of Jordan and Egypt. Clearly those two Countries had no interest in " International Law"
If anything the U.N. Cooperated with them and went away.
Nice attempt at Your Double Standard though.
Oh...... In answer to your question...... Israel's most religious Sites are in E. Jerusalem and the Jewish People will never be deprived of them again.
Is the Arab Peace Plan Really About Peace? « Commentary Magazine
Secretary of State John Kerry hailed the idea of reviving the 2002 Arab Peace Initiative put forward yesterday in Washington by a delegation from the Arab League. Kerry, who reportedly is hoping to host a multi-party peace conference this spring, was pleased that Qatar’s foreign minister had suggested that the proposal might be modified from its original take-it-or-leave-it demand that Israel return to the 1967 lines to one that allowed for a mutually-agreed “minor swap of land” that would modify the border.
This is progress of a sort, and should not be entirely dismissed. But before those advocating for more Israeli concessions in response to the proposal get too excited, itÂ’s important to remember why this initiative flopped the first time around: itÂ’s not really a peace proposal.
While the Arab Peace Initiative continues to be cited by IsraelÂ’s critics as proof that the Jewish state really does have partners, this idea has always been more about polishing the image of the Arab world in the United States than anything else. Conceived in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks when the Arab states, and in particular Saudi Arabia, were viewed with disgust by most Americans, the initiative was part of an effort to rehabilitate their image. But despite the fact that New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman (who claimed it stemmed from a conversation he had with Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah) and others in the foreign policy community promoted the idea, it fizzled. Why? Because it was not an invitation to negotiate, but a diktat. Even worse, it contained a vital poison pill: the return of Palestinian refugees to Israel that would, in effect, mean the end of the Jewish state, not peace with it.
While the initiative does not specifically mention the so-called “right of return” by which the descendants of the Arab refugees of 1948 would be allowed to enter Israel, Prince Abdullah made this clear when he said this on the day the Arab League adopted the proposal:
I propose that the Arab summit put forward a clear and unanimous initiative addressed to the United Nations security council based on two basic issues: normal relations and security for Israel in exchange for full withdrawal from all occupied Arab territories, recognition of an independent Palestinian state with al-Quds al-Sharif as its capital, and the return of refugees.
It should be conceded that this is better than the famous “three no’s” enforced throughout the Arab world in the aftermath of the 1967 Six-Day War, when Muslim countries said they would not make peace, recognize or negotiate with Israel. But the effect is not all that different. The Arab League proposal envisions normal relations with an Israel that has been forced to retreat from all territories it won in a defensive war in 1967. But the Israel they want to make peace with is one that would be forced to accept millions of Arabs who would change it from a Jewish nation into yet another Arab one.
This will not happen either. The " palestinian state" is DOA !
Billo_Really
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More proof you are a racist lunatic who doesn't want peace under any conditions.
If I was President, I'd send in the marines and kick the ******* shit out of the IOF in the OPT.
How do you like them apples?
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More proof that you are a Racist Lunatic who doesn't believe Israel has the right to exist and demands Israel gives all Concessions
Is the Arab Peace Plan Really About Peace? « Commentary Magazine
Secretary of State John Kerry hailed the idea of reviving the 2002 Arab Peace Initiative put forward yesterday in Washington by a delegation from the Arab League. Kerry, who reportedly is hoping to host a multi-party peace conference this spring, was pleased that Qatar’s foreign minister had suggested that the proposal might be modified from its original take-it-or-leave-it demand that Israel return to the 1967 lines to one that allowed for a mutually-agreed “minor swap of land” that would modify the border.
This is progress of a sort, and should not be entirely dismissed. But before those advocating for more Israeli concessions in response to the proposal get too excited, itÂ’s important to remember why this initiative flopped the first time around: itÂ’s not really a peace proposal.
While the Arab Peace Initiative continues to be cited by IsraelÂ’s critics as proof that the Jewish state really does have partners, this idea has always been more about polishing the image of the Arab world in the United States than anything else. Conceived in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks when the Arab states, and in particular Saudi Arabia, were viewed with disgust by most Americans, the initiative was part of an effort to rehabilitate their image. But despite the fact that New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman (who claimed it stemmed from a conversation he had with Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah) and others in the foreign policy community promoted the idea, it fizzled. Why? Because it was not an invitation to negotiate, but a diktat. Even worse, it contained a vital poison pill: the return of Palestinian refugees to Israel that would, in effect, mean the end of the Jewish state, not peace with it.
While the initiative does not specifically mention the so-called “right of return” by which the descendants of the Arab refugees of 1948 would be allowed to enter Israel, Prince Abdullah made this clear when he said this on the day the Arab League adopted the proposal:
I propose that the Arab summit put forward a clear and unanimous initiative addressed to the United Nations security council based on two basic issues: normal relations and security for Israel in exchange for full withdrawal from all occupied Arab territories, recognition of an independent Palestinian state with al-Quds al-Sharif as its capital, and the return of refugees.
It should be conceded that this is better than the famous “three no’s” enforced throughout the Arab world in the aftermath of the 1967 Six-Day War, when Muslim countries said they would not make peace, recognize or negotiate with Israel. But the effect is not all that different. The Arab League proposal envisions normal relations with an Israel that has been forced to retreat from all territories it won in a defensive war in 1967. But the Israel they want to make peace with is one that would be forced to accept millions of Arabs who would change it from a Jewish nation into yet another Arab one.
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1948to1967_holysites.php
Abbas: 'Not a single Israeli' in future Palestinian state | JPost | Israel News
Leave it to a ******* Pro Palestinian to have Delusions of Grandeur. What you would do if you were " president" is irrelevant ( like you are )
No mention of the $3million a year, and you have just proven that muslims can not be trusted to keep their word as he did attack Israel along with all the other arab league nations in 1948.
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