Debt is Pushing the US Into Fascism

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American society has been entertaining fascism since 1913. Fascism, communalism, socialism, anarchism, etc, all lead to the parent "statist left" religion. No matter the title if it leads to totalitarianism it's statist left no matter what one wants to call it.
There's nothing "left" about fascism; it is hardcore right-wing violence used to undermine democratic governments and increase the power of those who "own" the means of production.

Richard D. Wolff - The U.S. Is Borrowing Its Way to Fascism | Brave New Europe

“Fascism merges private capitalism and the state. Political power then enforces capitalism’s basic rules: the economic dominance of the major shareholders and their top directors and managers."
Except that left-wingers have always used violence. Which far left government has never used violence? All have. All. And they have to. You can't take people's stuff, without using force.

Further, used to undermine democratic government? Are you suggesting that the Soviets never did that?

"Fascism merges private capitalism and the state."

Right. But both, are a matter of control.

Say I'm government. If I directly confiscate a company, or if I control the company... what difference does that make?

Hitler is supposed to have said at some point, that it doesn't matter who owns the cow, if he owns you.

Only Capitalism, which is right-wing, believes in freedom. The people are free, to use for whatever purpose they wish, their own property.

Communism and Fascism, which are both left-wing socialist beliefs, view the individual as being tools for the good of the state. Whether they own your business themselves, or let you own it, but only for their good.... both believe you are slaves of the state.

This by the way, is evidence in your post above, where you talked about people not paying enough taxes. As if, their money was "owed" to you. You view the money they rightfully earned, as yours. That's is proof of a slave-mentality view of the public. They exist for the benefit of the state, in left-wing ideology.

This is how they call a tax deduction.... a subsidy. You being allowed to keep your own money.... is the government "subsidizing you". Because in left-wing ideology, you are slave, and all the money you have is really their money... and they are just benevolent enough to like you keep some.
 

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Further, "investing for charity and investing for a luxurious lifestyle"

That comment makes no logical sense.

Your life style has nothing to do with investments.
Suppose you have an income of one million dollars.
You donate half to legitimate charity.
You pay 40% of the remaining half in federal and state income taxes
You have $25,000 a month remaining.
You have prioritized charity over luxury with your investing.
You mean spending. Giving half of my money to charity is not "investing". You don't get a "Return on Investment" from donating money to charity.

And you have some bad math. That's $16,000 a month, not $25K.

But that's not important.

Here's the problem. If you want to give more money to charity, that's your choice. But what other people do with their money... is none of your business.

Because the reality is, everyone could give more to charity. Everyone. Meaning everyone. Including *YOU*.

You could give more to charity. You could sell your house, and buy a cheaper house, and give more to charity. You could buy a cheaper car, and sell your current car, and give more to charity. You could cancel your internet, and TV service, and give more to charity. You could eat less expensive food, and quit drinking coffee, and give more to charity.

Everyone could do this.

But people like you, think it's perfectly fine to demand that other people give up their life style, while you yourself give up nothing.

Because right now, there are people in Mexico, who live a tiny fraction as well off as you do, and they think that YOU... *YOU* are the one that should give up more, and give to them.
 

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However, one thing you need to consider, is that no charity anywhere could ever exist, without for-profit investments.

If no one anywhere, anywhere.... is making a profit.... where do you think the charity is coming from?

So investments, are inherently for profit. You can't "invest" in charity. That's not even logical.
Charity existed long before profit came into existence.
For 90% of human history, individuals who attempted to amass a private surplus were banned from society instead of being worshiped for their greed.
I can commit money in order to earn financial returns that are used to lift hundreds out of homelessness instead of spending those returns on luxury goods.
Charity existed before profit? You are crazy. Profit existed the moment the first man, traded the first lamb for the first vegetable.

For 90% of human history individuals who attempted a private surplus were banned? You are crazy. Not true.

I can commit money in order to earn financial returns that are used to lift hundreds out of homelessness instead of spending those returns on luxury goods.

If you own a car, you own a luxury good. If you have air conditioning, you own a luxury good. If you have internet, you have a luxury good. If you have a cell phone, you have a luxury good.

I could list a million items you have in your house, that are all.... all of them.... luxury goods.

And as for lifting hundreds out of homelessness.... feel free to try it. Good luck with that.
 

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American society has been entertaining fascism since 1913. Fascism, communalism, socialism, anarchism, etc, all lead to the parent "statist left" religion. No matter the title if it leads to totalitarianism it's statist left no matter what one wants to call it.
There's nothing "left" about fascism; it is hardcore right-wing violence used to undermine democratic governments and increase the power of those who "own" the means of production.

Richard D. Wolff - The U.S. Is Borrowing Its Way to Fascism | Brave New Europe

“Fascism merges private capitalism and the state. Political power then enforces capitalism’s basic rules: the economic dominance of the major shareholders and their top directors and managers."
In communalist nations(left), appointed bureaucrats enforce dictates that give the state the sole ownership of all people under their control, property & production of goods(no individuality). In a fascist nation(left) the state informs the citizenry under state control that they are free to vote for the candidate(s) of their choice that the state provides for the people to vote for. Citizenry of a fascist state are free to own private property of all types as long as said property meets state approval, taxes are paid & papers in order to state expectations. Likewise in a fascist state the citizenry has freedom of movement as long as the state okays the movement with a permit & fee. Speech in a fascist state is completely free regarding personal expression, as long as it does not offend any of the appointed bureaucrats. At this point one may want to compare similarities between communalism & fascism. Right wing ideology tends to entertain the minarchist or "night watchman" style of government. Right wing ideology attracts people like Tom Jefferson & Ron Paul. Right wing supports personal issues like gay/queer, gender equality etc. Right wing supports ambassadorship over war(whenever possible), minimal taxes & as small as possible any social programs, as well as lowest inflation(debt spending) as humanly possible. As modern day classical liberals we are often called Libertarians. The right wing supports minimum government at every turn & MAXIMUM wealth for the individual. As one can plainly see the right wing is hardly a left wing fascist/communal command system in any way shape or form. In reality the RepubliCratic duopoly party(RCDP) is a LOT closer to a statist left command & control ideology.
 

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However, one thing you need to consider, is that no charity anywhere could ever exist, without for-profit investments.

If no one anywhere, anywhere.... is making a profit.... where do you think the charity is coming from?

So investments, are inherently for profit. You can't "invest" in charity. That's not even logical.
Charity existed long before profit came into existence.
For 90% of human history, individuals who attempted to amass a private surplus were banned from society instead of being worshiped for their greed.
I can commit money in order to earn financial returns that are used to lift hundreds out of homelessness instead of spending those returns on luxury goods.
I can commit money in order to earn financial returns that are used to lift hundreds out of homelessness instead of spending those returns on luxury goods.

No you can't.
 
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You're a business neophyte

"The mafia is famous for running protection rackets.

"This usually consists of a mobster sauntering up to an unsuspecting resident or shopkeeper, making thinly veiled threats of violence …, and then offering peace and security for a fee.

"A person is just going about their business when a powerful entity barges in, simultaneously creating a problem and selling the solution.

"The result is hell for ordinary people, easy money for gangsters.

"You know who else does this? Capitalists."

Capitalism is Organized Crime
 
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You're a business neophyte

"The mafia is famous for running protection rackets.

"This usually consists of a mobster sauntering up to an unsuspecting resident or shopkeeper, making thinly veiled threats of violence …, and then offering peace and security for a fee.

"A person is just going about their business when a powerful entity barges in, simultaneously creating a problem and selling the solution.

"The result is hell for ordinary people, easy money for gangsters.

"You know who else does this? Capitalists."

Capitalism is Organized Crime
Just more of your Marxist propaganda. Only government can do that. It's what a liar you are. You attack what government does with it's monopoly on guns, then demand MORE government
 

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Why won't you answer my question?
Is it because you're a pussy?
If Greedy Jeff paid a living wage, his employees wouldn't need public assistance or another job; get it?
It's Jeff's employees job to feed themselves and their families. They could do that if they cared about their job and their employer and had a good attitude. Why it is on their employer to care more about their families than they do?

In my graphic design business before I sold it I had two employees on public assistance Neither of them was worth paying enough for them to not need it.

1) Should I have fired them?

2) How exactly am I somehow bad when I'm offering them more money than anyone else? I mean they were working for me

3) How does it help government to pay their full freight of welfare rather than their getting lower benefits because I hired them for more than anyone else would pay them?
 
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Well if you had paid attention... as I did, because I'm an Apple Computer shareholder.... you would have noticed that shared dropped in value pretty quick when Steve Jobs died.
So you profit from the exploitation of thousands of Chinese workers? Do you also support child labor and a ban on unions?

Ralph Nader to Apple's Tim Cook: Use profits for worker raises

"Consumer advocate Ralph Nader is targeting Apple with a plea to hold off on its $100 billion stock buyback and consider other ways to spend the money, such as giving bonuses to the 350,000 Foxconn workers who make iPhones.

"Nader's criticism comes as public companies are on track to spend a record $1 trillion on dividend increases and share buybacks, thanks to the massive corporate tax cut signed into law by President Donald Trump."
 
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Now what made them recover, was the fact that Tim Cook has proven himself a capable leader and visionary in his own right.
Tim Cook is another greedy psychopath; his "vision" isn't something any civilization should endorse:

Ranking the Infinite Greed, Power and Controls of Giant Corporations | Ralph Nader

"One of the first moves Tim Cook made, after replacing legendary Apple Founder, the cancer-stricken innovator Steve Jobs, was to arrange a $378 million, 2011 compensation package for himself and launch the biggest stock buyback in corporate history.

"Apple, which is worth $1.5 trillion has spent $327 billion since 2013 to buy back 2.5 billion shares of stock.

"Yet Apple has done little to produce productive investments, remediation of used and very toxic Apple products when discarded, or increase pay for the 350,000 serf-labor workers in China toiling under its merciless contractor Foxconn."
 

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You're a business neophyte

"The mafia is famous for running protection rackets.

"This usually consists of a mobster sauntering up to an unsuspecting resident or shopkeeper, making thinly veiled threats of violence …, and then offering peace and security for a fee.

"A person is just going about their business when a powerful entity barges in, simultaneously creating a problem and selling the solution.

"The result is hell for ordinary people, easy money for gangsters.

"You know who else does this? Capitalists."

Capitalism is Organized Crime
"This usually consists of a mobster sauntering up to an unsuspecting resident or shopkeeper, making thinly veiled threats of violence …, and then offering peace and security for a fee.

Is that what Microsoft did? Tell me more!!!
 
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You're a business neophyte

"The mafia is famous for running protection rackets.

"This usually consists of a mobster sauntering up to an unsuspecting resident or shopkeeper, making thinly veiled threats of violence …, and then offering peace and security for a fee.

"A person is just going about their business when a powerful entity barges in, simultaneously creating a problem and selling the solution.

"The result is hell for ordinary people, easy money for gangsters.

"You know who else does this? Capitalists."

Capitalism is Organized Crime
Capitalism can't exist without property rights. And by definition, a mafia violates property rights.

So capitalism definitionally can't be organized crime. Those contradictory.
 

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Now what made them recover, was the fact that Tim Cook has proven himself a capable leader and visionary in his own right.
Tim Cook is another greedy psychopath; his "vision" isn't something any civilization should endorse:

Ranking the Infinite Greed, Power and Controls of Giant Corporations | Ralph Nader

"One of the first moves Tim Cook made, after replacing legendary Apple Founder, the cancer-stricken innovator Steve Jobs, was to arrange a $378 million, 2011 compensation package for himself and launch the biggest stock buyback in corporate history.

"Apple, which is worth $1.5 trillion has spent $327 billion since 2013 to buy back 2.5 billion shares of stock.

"Yet Apple has done little to produce productive investments, remediation of used and very toxic Apple products when discarded, or increase pay for the 350,000 serf-labor workers in China toiling under its merciless contractor Foxconn."
First off, Foxconn provides high paying jobs to Chinese workers, that's why thousands have traveled hundreds of miles, to get jobs at Foxconn and other factories.

Maybe you missed it, but those same Chinese workers, prior to the 1980s, would have been living in absolute object poverty, on communal farms, where they would stay, and die, in poverty.

Further, why do people who accomplish little in this world, complain the most, about the people who do the most for society?

Tim Cook, is not a saint, nor a hero, but truth is, he does more in one morning to benefit this world, then you or I have in our entire lives.

Why do you want to tear down everyone that builds the world up? Go read Atlas Shrugged.
 

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Well if you had paid attention... as I did, because I'm an Apple Computer shareholder.... you would have noticed that shared dropped in value pretty quick when Steve Jobs died.
So you profit from the exploitation of thousands of Chinese workers? Do you also support child labor and a ban on unions?

Ralph Nader to Apple's Tim Cook: Use profits for worker raises

"Consumer advocate Ralph Nader is targeting Apple with a plea to hold off on its $100 billion stock buyback and consider other ways to spend the money, such as giving bonuses to the 350,000 Foxconn workers who make iPhones.

"Nader's criticism comes as public companies are on track to spend a record $1 trillion on dividend increases and share buybacks, thanks to the massive corporate tax cut signed into law by President Donald Trump."
I support property rights. You can't unionize my company. Because... it's mine. Not yours.

You want to unionize? By all means open your own company, and have the workers unionize.

Even socialists are against unions when it's themselves being unionized.


And as far as exploiting... do you exploit people when they fix your car, repair your house, or add on a deck?

Yes you do, so you don't care about exploiting.


One thing that cracked me up, was the staff at Bernie Sanders campaign was complaining they were not paid $15/hour. So they raised their pay, and then cut back on their hours, to reduce the cost of higher pay.

LOL! I guess exploiting is only wrong when OTHER people exploit, but fine for socialists.
 
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