Death Knell For The Democrat Party???

[dcbl]

Godspeed on this lawsuit

didn't the teacher's union in Cali just win a suit like this?

 

[beagle9]

Just one more effort to make American workers poorer.

. I agree there has to be representation for the workers against greed and slave labor tactics in which had been proven yet again in this country over the issue of cheap labor tactics being used on the Mexican labor forces who many were here illegally. So who will the representatives be if the unions fall ?? Will it be the federal government to then take over the role of labor representation in this nation where there is none or will the unions shake off their poisonous handlers, re-invent itself, and go back to representing American workers instead of corporate interest or political interest that is tied to corporate interest ?

" Will it be the federal government to then take over the role of labor representation..."

Not 'will it be'.....but 'why is it that the federal government has taken the role of labor representation?'


The 32nd President, contrary to the Constitution, did exactly that.

I have proof of this in a post I've prepared to post a bit later.
Hope you'll read it and give your opinion.

. Will look for it, and agree with your response. I knew it, but just wanted to see the responses by those when questioned the board like that.

 

[Seawytch]

Janus.....a union worker who doesn't agree with the Leftist policies and candidates that his union uses the dues it collects, sues to block forcing him to pay dues!

This sort of thing is what he objects to:
" Andy Stern of the SEIU:
We spent a fortune to elect Barack Obama — $60.7 million to be exact — and we’re proud of it." LaborPains.org | The Price of An Election

Union support is the life's blood of the Democrat Party.
Where did the union get that money, and who decided how it is to be spent?



1. "On June 6, the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation asked the Supreme Court to hear Janus v. AFSCME, a case involving plaintiff Mark Janus...is compelled to send part of his paycheck to the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, even though he says that the union does not “represent his interests.”

2. Right-to-work proponents are optimistic that the Court will hear the case and that Neil Gorsuch, Scalia’s replacement, will come down as the fifth vote on the side of employee freedom and overturn the 40-year-old precedent established in Abood v. Detroit Board of Education, in which the Supreme Court held that states may force public-sector workers to pay union dues, ....




3. The Economic Policy Institute, an organization with strong ties to organized labor, claims that prohibiting fair-share payments could “profoundly affect the ability of millions of public-sector workers to improve their wages and working conditions....


4. [But former] research fellow in labor economics at the Heritage Foundation James Sherk explains that “studies that control for differences in costs of living find workers in states with voluntary dues have no lower—and possibly slightly higher—real wages than workers in states with compulsory dues.”





Here come the predictions of the end of the Democrat Party:

5. Even if the Court decides to hear the case, a decision in Janus is most likely a year off. But the unions are planning for the worst-case scenario. California Teachers Association Executive Director Joe Nuñez wrote in January that the CTA should be prepared for a 30 percent to 40 percent membership drop, ....


6. But whatever the membership drop might be, it will be damaging to the unions and could have widespread ramifications. And perhaps no group will be more affected than the Democratic Party. Naomi Walker, an assistant to AFSCME president Lee Saunders and a former Obama administration appointee, said that Janus “could undermine political operations that assist the Democratic Party.”
She added, “The progressive infrastructure in this country, from think tanks to advocacy organizations—which depends on the resources and engagement of workers and their unions—will crumble. We need the entire labor and progressive movements to stand with us and fight for us.
We may not survive without it—and nor, we fear, will they.”


['tis a consummation devoutly to be wished'....The Bard]


7. "The loss of these unions’ political clout certainly was a factor in giving Donald Trump narrow victories in both states. Should the Court decide for Janus in Janus, neither the apocalypse nor utopia will be upon us, but much will change.


8. Most notably, many government workers will have much freedom than they have now, and the Democratic Party won’t have the same bundles of cash flowing from union piggy banks." Janus and Worker Freedom





In full disclosure....the future of the Supreme Court, and of this nation, was my #1 reason for voting for President Trump.
The Democrats see exactly why.

i'd like to hear stories from people, past and present, if and how they were "persuaded" to vote.
and who employs the two million seiu members.

good one PC.

I've been an SEIU member since 2004. I have never felt compelled to vote for any candidate supported by the SEIU.

. And you are still a member why ?

I am a Service Employee...duh.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Janus.....a union worker who doesn't agree with the Leftist policies and candidates that his union uses the dues it collects, sues to block forcing him to pay dues!

This sort of thing is what he objects to:
" Andy Stern of the SEIU:
We spent a fortune to elect Barack Obama — $60.7 million to be exact — and we’re proud of it." LaborPains.org | The Price of An Election

Union support is the life's blood of the Democrat Party.
Where did the union get that money, and who decided how it is to be spent?



1. "On June 6, the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation asked the Supreme Court to hear Janus v. AFSCME, a case involving plaintiff Mark Janus...is compelled to send part of his paycheck to the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, even though he says that the union does not “represent his interests.”

2. Right-to-work proponents are optimistic that the Court will hear the case and that Neil Gorsuch, Scalia’s replacement, will come down as the fifth vote on the side of employee freedom and overturn the 40-year-old precedent established in Abood v. Detroit Board of Education, in which the Supreme Court held that states may force public-sector workers to pay union dues, ....




3. The Economic Policy Institute, an organization with strong ties to organized labor, claims that prohibiting fair-share payments could “profoundly affect the ability of millions of public-sector workers to improve their wages and working conditions....


4. [But former] research fellow in labor economics at the Heritage Foundation James Sherk explains that “studies that control for differences in costs of living find workers in states with voluntary dues have no lower—and possibly slightly higher—real wages than workers in states with compulsory dues.”





Here come the predictions of the end of the Democrat Party:

5. Even if the Court decides to hear the case, a decision in Janus is most likely a year off. But the unions are planning for the worst-case scenario. California Teachers Association Executive Director Joe Nuñez wrote in January that the CTA should be prepared for a 30 percent to 40 percent membership drop, ....


6. But whatever the membership drop might be, it will be damaging to the unions and could have widespread ramifications. And perhaps no group will be more affected than the Democratic Party. Naomi Walker, an assistant to AFSCME president Lee Saunders and a former Obama administration appointee, said that Janus “could undermine political operations that assist the Democratic Party.”
She added, “The progressive infrastructure in this country, from think tanks to advocacy organizations—which depends on the resources and engagement of workers and their unions—will crumble. We need the entire labor and progressive movements to stand with us and fight for us.
We may not survive without it—and nor, we fear, will they.”


['tis a consummation devoutly to be wished'....The Bard]


7. "The loss of these unions’ political clout certainly was a factor in giving Donald Trump narrow victories in both states. Should the Court decide for Janus in Janus, neither the apocalypse nor utopia will be upon us, but much will change.


8. Most notably, many government workers will have much freedom than they have now, and the Democratic Party won’t have the same bundles of cash flowing from union piggy banks." Janus and Worker Freedom





In full disclosure....the future of the Supreme Court, and of this nation, was my #1 reason for voting for President Trump.
The Democrats see exactly why.

Yep, this Democrat knows why; you are a neo fascist and a wannabe authoritarian. You are much like Trump, a narcissist and a hater of all people who question your rants, rants liberally (lol) spread throughout in the effort to control the future ("Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past" Orwell, 1984). Exactly what the current iteration of conservatives seek to do.

 

[Seawytch]

Meh...

A judge throws out a challenge to how unions spend teachers' money

 

[emilynghiem]

Just one more effort to make American workers poorer.

. I agree there has to be representation for the workers against greed and slave labor tactics in which had been proven yet again in this country over the issue of cheap labor tactics being used on the Mexican labor forces who many were here illegally. So who will the representatives be if the unions fall ?? Will it be the federal government to then take over the role of labor representation in this nation where there is none or will the unions shake off their poisonous handlers, re-invent itself, and go back to representing American workers instead of corporate interest or political interest that is tied to corporate interest ?

Dear beagle9

I suggest creating a people's parliament with representation by PARTY
the same way we have Congress with representation by State.

When unions get corrupted with the same elitist top down politics
as we have seen dividing both major parties,
then people have turned to their party leaders to represent them.

And from there, you can see at least TWO or three camps in each party.

The Sanders Democrats split from the Clinton and "limousine liberals"
and then the Greens and independents against those two colluding
have a third pool of constituents sold out by both left and right camps and stuck in the middle without representation.

So it may take THREE reps to represent each party that gets fractionalized.

Same with the Republicans divided over
career politicians vs. Tea Party and far right hardliners who won't work with others
Trump bucking the system similar to Libertarians
and moderates willing to compromise with even liberals

If we offer and organize Representation by Party
and allow for AS MANY SPLITS as the parties report among their members,
then we could still use the union system to help workers organize by numbers,
while checking against abuses of power at the same time.

We just offer the same to ALL TAXPAYERS
to organize as huge UNIONS.

Organize by party affiliation, even if they split into smaller groups from
* Socialists and Communist Workers
* Libertarians and Anarchists seeking decriminalization
* Natural Law and Christian Party
* Islamists, Zionists or other political religions
* Veterans Party and Constitutionalists
* Greens and Peace and Justice
* Democrats and LGBT liberals
* Republicans and Corporate free enterprise capitalists
* Independent, no affiliation or mixed affiliation
* Lawyers Judges and Govt reps

Have I left anyone out?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Janus.....a union worker who doesn't agree with the Leftist policies and candidates that his union uses the dues it collects, sues to block forcing him to pay dues!

This sort of thing is what he objects to:
" Andy Stern of the SEIU:
We spent a fortune to elect Barack Obama — $60.7 million to be exact — and we’re proud of it." LaborPains.org | The Price of An Election

Union support is the life's blood of the Democrat Party.
Where did the union get that money, and who decided how it is to be spent?



1. "On June 6, the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation asked the Supreme Court to hear Janus v. AFSCME, a case involving plaintiff Mark Janus...is compelled to send part of his paycheck to the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, even though he says that the union does not “represent his interests.”

2. Right-to-work proponents are optimistic that the Court will hear the case and that Neil Gorsuch, Scalia’s replacement, will come down as the fifth vote on the side of employee freedom and overturn the 40-year-old precedent established in Abood v. Detroit Board of Education, in which the Supreme Court held that states may force public-sector workers to pay union dues, ....




3. The Economic Policy Institute, an organization with strong ties to organized labor, claims that prohibiting fair-share payments could “profoundly affect the ability of millions of public-sector workers to improve their wages and working conditions....


4. [But former] research fellow in labor economics at the Heritage Foundation James Sherk explains that “studies that control for differences in costs of living find workers in states with voluntary dues have no lower—and possibly slightly higher—real wages than workers in states with compulsory dues.”





Here come the predictions of the end of the Democrat Party:

5. Even if the Court decides to hear the case, a decision in Janus is most likely a year off. But the unions are planning for the worst-case scenario. California Teachers Association Executive Director Joe Nuñez wrote in January that the CTA should be prepared for a 30 percent to 40 percent membership drop, ....


6. But whatever the membership drop might be, it will be damaging to the unions and could have widespread ramifications. And perhaps no group will be more affected than the Democratic Party. Naomi Walker, an assistant to AFSCME president Lee Saunders and a former Obama administration appointee, said that Janus “could undermine political operations that assist the Democratic Party.”
She added, “The progressive infrastructure in this country, from think tanks to advocacy organizations—which depends on the resources and engagement of workers and their unions—will crumble. We need the entire labor and progressive movements to stand with us and fight for us.
We may not survive without it—and nor, we fear, will they.”


['tis a consummation devoutly to be wished'....The Bard]


7. "The loss of these unions’ political clout certainly was a factor in giving Donald Trump narrow victories in both states. Should the Court decide for Janus in Janus, neither the apocalypse nor utopia will be upon us, but much will change.


8. Most notably, many government workers will have much freedom than they have now, and the Democratic Party won’t have the same bundles of cash flowing from union piggy banks." Janus and Worker Freedom





In full disclosure....the future of the Supreme Court, and of this nation, was my #1 reason for voting for President Trump.
The Democrats see exactly why.

Dear PoliticalChic
1. Thanks for enumerating the several points this issue affects.
You do a great job and I will try to follow your example when I unload on fellow Democrats
and what it will take us to fix the messes caused by party politics.
You go!

2. I still hope I can organize and launch a national class action over the rights violated
and damages caused by the unconstitutional ACA mandates, bailouts, and govt shutdown in protest.
I est. taxpayers are owed billions if not trillions, if we'd all come together as a CLASS and demand refunds and restitution for the imposition
on our finances and freedoms that weren't justified as we were not convicted of crimes to lose our liberties.
Any "compelling interest" could have been addressed with PRIVATE LLC and business/nonprofit reforms without relying on govt to try to force it
which it has no constitutional authority to do WITHOUT AN AMENDMENT FIRST PASSED BY THE SEVERAL STATES TO GIVE THAT FUNCTION TO GOVT.

3. As for labor pools, socialist and other worker parties and unions
PoliticalChic I would say these are the people who could jump on board with business and job plans
and work WITH TRUMP and Trump AND BERNIE supporters to jumpstart economic expansion, starting with schools
that can train new workers to mentor under the experienced laborers retiring and aging out of the system.
Both Trump and Sanders face restitution they owe for abuses and/or academic fraud.
They can use the defunct and abused school system to organize workers
by skill level, match them to business sponsors, and fund education by on the job training
and paid internships so students can work their way through school. Including medical
and nursing school so this provides "universal health care" at the same time we train the staff
and expand the facilities needed to serve local populations to reach all people at affordable sustainable levels.

Together, the workers and small business folks on LEFT and RIGHT
can overcome the oppression by class politics pushed by elitist Democrats
playing the same corporate games they accuse opponents of doing.

Just like the ants and the grasshoppers, the ants need to unite all the anthills
and chase off the bullies exploiting that labor. If we don't unite, that's how we
all become victims to partisan politics pitting the rich and poor against each other.

The workers at the bottom are the key to uniting around sustainable business plans
and development across the states and in each district, focused around local schools and supporting business interests.

For unions, the teachers unions and police unions are the key to stabilizing each district,
uniting with their local communities, taking back control of programs, property and policies
and stopping the govt abuses and waste by politicians making profits and careers off
keeping these people divided against each other instead of organizing and governing their own resources!

Thanks PC
If you can please help me take this idea above
and explain it in conservative talking points,
we can lobby both left and right to unite,
* both Sanders workers supporters and Trump supporters,
* both teachers unions and police unions,
* both health care and prison reform lobbyists,
and take back state resources and local authority
instead of handing more and more over to federal govt where it gets abused.

How can we write this up to appeal to both Left and Right
to unite and create jobs for workers and students to fix these problems and abuses?

1. The most basic point is this: the Constitution allows unions, as shown in the first amendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

2. The problem is two fold:
a. There is no authority for a federal support of unions, as the nation was founded on federalism.
b. How easily politicians are bought and bribed via union money.

3. And that is why the Janus case...if the Supreme Court chooses to hear it, is so significant to the Democrats, and their...'prosperity.'

4. Union membership, nationally, has fallen precipitously. The reason seems obvious to me, and probably to union leadership as well.
That why the socialists/Democrats tried to pass the 'Employee Free Choice Act'...I'll write a post about it in this thread.

5. And this:The Left is less interested in creating wealth than in distributing it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Meh...

A judge throws out a challenge to how unions spend teachers' money

interesting that you must rely on 'judges' for the Left to get it's way.


Coulter:
1. If liberals could trust the voters, they wouldn’t need the Court to invent ludicrous ‘constitutional rights’ for them in the first place.

2. The only limit on liberal insanity in this country is how many issues liberals can get before a court…A lot is at stake for liberals with the court. If they lose a liberal vote, they will be forced to fight political battles through a messy little system know as ‘democracy.’

3. When conservative judges strike down laws, it’s because of what’s in the Constitution. When liberal judges strike down laws (or impose new laws, such as tax increases), it’s because of what’s in the New York Times.

 

[emilynghiem]

Janus.....a union worker who doesn't agree with the Leftist policies and candidates that his union uses the dues it collects, sues to block forcing him to pay dues!

This sort of thing is what he objects to:
" Andy Stern of the SEIU:
We spent a fortune to elect Barack Obama — $60.7 million to be exact — and we’re proud of it." LaborPains.org | The Price of An Election

Union support is the life's blood of the Democrat Party.
Where did the union get that money, and who decided how it is to be spent?



1. "On June 6, the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation asked the Supreme Court to hear Janus v. AFSCME, a case involving plaintiff Mark Janus...is compelled to send part of his paycheck to the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, even though he says that the union does not “represent his interests.”

2. Right-to-work proponents are optimistic that the Court will hear the case and that Neil Gorsuch, Scalia’s replacement, will come down as the fifth vote on the side of employee freedom and overturn the 40-year-old precedent established in Abood v. Detroit Board of Education, in which the Supreme Court held that states may force public-sector workers to pay union dues, ....




3. The Economic Policy Institute, an organization with strong ties to organized labor, claims that prohibiting fair-share payments could “profoundly affect the ability of millions of public-sector workers to improve their wages and working conditions....


4. [But former] research fellow in labor economics at the Heritage Foundation James Sherk explains that “studies that control for differences in costs of living find workers in states with voluntary dues have no lower—and possibly slightly higher—real wages than workers in states with compulsory dues.”





Here come the predictions of the end of the Democrat Party:

5. Even if the Court decides to hear the case, a decision in Janus is most likely a year off. But the unions are planning for the worst-case scenario. California Teachers Association Executive Director Joe Nuñez wrote in January that the CTA should be prepared for a 30 percent to 40 percent membership drop, ....


6. But whatever the membership drop might be, it will be damaging to the unions and could have widespread ramifications. And perhaps no group will be more affected than the Democratic Party. Naomi Walker, an assistant to AFSCME president Lee Saunders and a former Obama administration appointee, said that Janus “could undermine political operations that assist the Democratic Party.”
She added, “The progressive infrastructure in this country, from think tanks to advocacy organizations—which depends on the resources and engagement of workers and their unions—will crumble. We need the entire labor and progressive movements to stand with us and fight for us.
We may not survive without it—and nor, we fear, will they.”


['tis a consummation devoutly to be wished'....The Bard]


7. "The loss of these unions’ political clout certainly was a factor in giving Donald Trump narrow victories in both states. Should the Court decide for Janus in Janus, neither the apocalypse nor utopia will be upon us, but much will change.


8. Most notably, many government workers will have much freedom than they have now, and the Democratic Party won’t have the same bundles of cash flowing from union piggy banks." Janus and Worker Freedom





In full disclosure....the future of the Supreme Court, and of this nation, was my #1 reason for voting for President Trump.
The Democrats see exactly why.

Yep, this Democrat knows why; you are a neo fascist and a wannabe authoritarian. You are much like Trump, a narcissist and a hater of all people who question your rants, rants liberally (lol) spread throughout in the effort to control the future ("Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past" Orwell, 1984). Exactly what the current iteration of conservatives seek to do.

Dear Wry Catcher
So let PoliticalChic represent herself, her colleagues, and others who feel her statements speak for them.

And likewise, let the LGBT and others on the left speak for themselves
and defend and exercise their own political beliefs they are equally entitled to.

If we all did this, respect each other's beliefs and exercise under the Constitution,
maybe we wouldn't waste time and energy and resources
fighting to silence each other.

Why can't we allow all parties to develop and pursue their own platform policies that represent their memberships?

Church groups are able to develop and fund their own programs.

Why not require the same of Political Parties?
And leave each other alone instead of ramming political beliefs through govt.

The left protests when Republicans push beliefs in right to life.
The right protests with Democrats push beliefs in right to health care.

Isn't it Discrimination by Creed to allow ONE party's beliefs to be
RAMMED THROUGH FEDERAL GOVT and require all taxpayers to fund it
while denying the same to other parties by "separation of church and state"
and religious freedom from govt establishing beliefs?

Shouldn't all parties and their beliefs be treated the same?
And keep them OUT OF GOVT unless the whole public AGREES on a belief to be integrated into public policy.

If the left protests so much,
perhaps we should "practice what we preach"
and keep our personal political bias and agenda
out of public policy. If we don't like opponents pushing their agenda on us!

 

[PoliticalChic]

Just one more effort to make American workers poorer.

. I agree there has to be representation for the workers against greed and slave labor tactics in which had been proven yet again in this country over the issue of cheap labor tactics being used on the Mexican labor forces who many were here illegally. So who will the representatives be if the unions fall ?? Will it be the federal government to then take over the role of labor representation in this nation where there is none or will the unions shake off their poisonous handlers, re-invent itself, and go back to representing American workers instead of corporate interest or political interest that is tied to corporate interest ?

Dear beagle9

I suggest creating a people's parliament with representation by PARTY
the same way we have Congress with representation by State.

When unions get corrupted with the same elitist top down politics
as we have seen dividing both major parties,
then people have turned to their party leaders to represent them.

And from there, you can see at least TWO or three camps in each party.

The Sanders Democrats split from the Clinton and "limousine liberals"
and then the Greens and independents against those two colluding
have a third pool of constituents sold out by both left and right camps and stuck in the middle without representation.

So it may take THREE reps to represent each party that gets fractionalized.

Same with the Republicans divided over
career politicians vs. Tea Party and far right hardliners who won't work with others
Trump bucking the system similar to Libertarians
and moderates willing to compromise with even liberals

If we offer and organize Representation by Party
and allow for AS MANY SPLITS as the parties report among their members,
then we could still use the union system to help workers organize by numbers,
while checking against abuses of power at the same time.

We just offer the same to ALL TAXPAYERS
to organize as huge UNIONS.

Organize by party affiliation, even if they split into smaller groups from
* Socialists and Communist Workers
* Libertarians and Anarchists seeking decriminalization
* Natural Law and Christian Party
* Islamists, Zionists or other political religions
* Veterans Party and Constitutionalists
* Greens and Peace and Justice
* Democrats and LGBT liberals
* Republicans and Corporate free enterprise capitalists
* Independent, no affiliation or mixed affiliation
* Lawyers Judges and Govt reps

Have I left anyone out?

Point of information:

Bernie Sanders is a communist.
I would strongly recommend that everyone review how communists functions, and the result of their regimes.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Janus.....a union worker who doesn't agree with the Leftist policies and candidates that his union uses the dues it collects, sues to block forcing him to pay dues!

This sort of thing is what he objects to:
" Andy Stern of the SEIU:
We spent a fortune to elect Barack Obama — $60.7 million to be exact — and we’re proud of it." LaborPains.org | The Price of An Election

Union support is the life's blood of the Democrat Party.
Where did the union get that money, and who decided how it is to be spent?



1. "On June 6, the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation asked the Supreme Court to hear Janus v. AFSCME, a case involving plaintiff Mark Janus...is compelled to send part of his paycheck to the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, even though he says that the union does not “represent his interests.”

2. Right-to-work proponents are optimistic that the Court will hear the case and that Neil Gorsuch, Scalia’s replacement, will come down as the fifth vote on the side of employee freedom and overturn the 40-year-old precedent established in Abood v. Detroit Board of Education, in which the Supreme Court held that states may force public-sector workers to pay union dues, ....




3. The Economic Policy Institute, an organization with strong ties to organized labor, claims that prohibiting fair-share payments could “profoundly affect the ability of millions of public-sector workers to improve their wages and working conditions....


4. [But former] research fellow in labor economics at the Heritage Foundation James Sherk explains that “studies that control for differences in costs of living find workers in states with voluntary dues have no lower—and possibly slightly higher—real wages than workers in states with compulsory dues.”





Here come the predictions of the end of the Democrat Party:

5. Even if the Court decides to hear the case, a decision in Janus is most likely a year off. But the unions are planning for the worst-case scenario. California Teachers Association Executive Director Joe Nuñez wrote in January that the CTA should be prepared for a 30 percent to 40 percent membership drop, ....


6. But whatever the membership drop might be, it will be damaging to the unions and could have widespread ramifications. And perhaps no group will be more affected than the Democratic Party. Naomi Walker, an assistant to AFSCME president Lee Saunders and a former Obama administration appointee, said that Janus “could undermine political operations that assist the Democratic Party.”
She added, “The progressive infrastructure in this country, from think tanks to advocacy organizations—which depends on the resources and engagement of workers and their unions—will crumble. We need the entire labor and progressive movements to stand with us and fight for us.
We may not survive without it—and nor, we fear, will they.”


['tis a consummation devoutly to be wished'....The Bard]


7. "The loss of these unions’ political clout certainly was a factor in giving Donald Trump narrow victories in both states. Should the Court decide for Janus in Janus, neither the apocalypse nor utopia will be upon us, but much will change.


8. Most notably, many government workers will have much freedom than they have now, and the Democratic Party won’t have the same bundles of cash flowing from union piggy banks." Janus and Worker Freedom





In full disclosure....the future of the Supreme Court, and of this nation, was my #1 reason for voting for President Trump.
The Democrats see exactly why.

Yep, this Democrat knows why; you are a neo fascist and a wannabe authoritarian. You are much like Trump, a narcissist and a hater of all people who question your rants, rants liberally (lol) spread throughout in the effort to control the future ("Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past" Orwell, 1984). Exactly what the current iteration of conservatives seek to do.

Dear Wry Catcher
So let PoliticalChic represent herself, her colleagues, and others who feel her statements speak for them.

And likewise, let the LGBT and others on the left speak for themselves
and defend and exercise their own political beliefs they are equally entitled to.

If we all did this, respect each other's beliefs and exercise under the Constitution,
maybe we wouldn't waste time and energy and resources
fighting to silence each other.

Why can't we allow all parties to develop and pursue their own platform policies that represent their memberships?

Church groups are able to develop and fund their own programs.

Why not require the same of Political Parties?
And leave each other alone instead of ramming political beliefs through govt.

The left protests when Republicans push beliefs in right to life.
The right protests with Democrats push beliefs in right to health care.

Isn't it Discrimination by Creed to allow ONE party's beliefs to be
RAMMED THROUGH FEDERAL GOVT and require all taxpayers to fund it
while denying the same to other parties by "separation of church and state"
and religious freedom from govt establishing beliefs?

Shouldn't all parties and their beliefs be treated the same?
And keep them OUT OF GOVT unless the whole public AGREES on a belief to be integrated into public policy.

If the left protests so much,
perhaps we should "practice what we preach"
and keep our personal political bias and agenda
out of public policy. If we don't like opponents pushing their agenda on us!

The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing

 

[PoliticalChic]

Janus.....a union worker who doesn't agree with the Leftist policies and candidates that his union uses the dues it collects, sues to block forcing him to pay dues!

This sort of thing is what he objects to:
" Andy Stern of the SEIU:
We spent a fortune to elect Barack Obama — $60.7 million to be exact — and we’re proud of it." LaborPains.org | The Price of An Election

Union support is the life's blood of the Democrat Party.
Where did the union get that money, and who decided how it is to be spent?



1. "On June 6, the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation asked the Supreme Court to hear Janus v. AFSCME, a case involving plaintiff Mark Janus...is compelled to send part of his paycheck to the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, even though he says that the union does not “represent his interests.”

2. Right-to-work proponents are optimistic that the Court will hear the case and that Neil Gorsuch, Scalia’s replacement, will come down as the fifth vote on the side of employee freedom and overturn the 40-year-old precedent established in Abood v. Detroit Board of Education, in which the Supreme Court held that states may force public-sector workers to pay union dues, ....




3. The Economic Policy Institute, an organization with strong ties to organized labor, claims that prohibiting fair-share payments could “profoundly affect the ability of millions of public-sector workers to improve their wages and working conditions....


4. [But former] research fellow in labor economics at the Heritage Foundation James Sherk explains that “studies that control for differences in costs of living find workers in states with voluntary dues have no lower—and possibly slightly higher—real wages than workers in states with compulsory dues.”





Here come the predictions of the end of the Democrat Party:

5. Even if the Court decides to hear the case, a decision in Janus is most likely a year off. But the unions are planning for the worst-case scenario. California Teachers Association Executive Director Joe Nuñez wrote in January that the CTA should be prepared for a 30 percent to 40 percent membership drop, ....


6. But whatever the membership drop might be, it will be damaging to the unions and could have widespread ramifications. And perhaps no group will be more affected than the Democratic Party. Naomi Walker, an assistant to AFSCME president Lee Saunders and a former Obama administration appointee, said that Janus “could undermine political operations that assist the Democratic Party.”
She added, “The progressive infrastructure in this country, from think tanks to advocacy organizations—which depends on the resources and engagement of workers and their unions—will crumble. We need the entire labor and progressive movements to stand with us and fight for us.
We may not survive without it—and nor, we fear, will they.”


['tis a consummation devoutly to be wished'....The Bard]


7. "The loss of these unions’ political clout certainly was a factor in giving Donald Trump narrow victories in both states. Should the Court decide for Janus in Janus, neither the apocalypse nor utopia will be upon us, but much will change.


8. Most notably, many government workers will have much freedom than they have now, and the Democratic Party won’t have the same bundles of cash flowing from union piggy banks." Janus and Worker Freedom





In full disclosure....the future of the Supreme Court, and of this nation, was my #1 reason for voting for President Trump.
The Democrats see exactly why.

i'd like to hear stories from people, past and present, if and how they were "persuaded" to vote.
and who employs the two million seiu members.

good one PC.

I've been an SEIU member since 2004. I have never felt compelled to vote for any candidate supported by the SEIU.

I applaud your independence.

But, unfortunately, you're missing the point.

This point:

" Andy Stern of the SEIU:
We spent a fortune to elect Barack Obama — $60.7 million to be exact — and we’re proud of it." LaborPains.org | The Price of An Election


You have no say in where those $millions go.

. Does being a member of SEIU spell independence ?

I have zero objections to the legitimate role that unions have to play.

They are authorized by the Constitution, and, correctly, level the playing field between employee and employer.

But....the federal government needs to recuse itself from the relationship as it is too susceptible to the sort of bribery that Democrats thrive on.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Just one more effort to make American workers poorer.

. I agree there has to be representation for the workers against greed and slave labor tactics in which had been proven yet again in this country over the issue of cheap labor tactics being used on the Mexican labor forces who many were here illegally. So who will the representatives be if the unions fall ?? Will it be the federal government to then take over the role of labor representation in this nation where there is none or will the unions shake off their poisonous handlers, re-invent itself, and go back to representing American workers instead of corporate interest or political interest that is tied to corporate interest ?

Dear beagle9

I suggest creating a people's parliament with representation by PARTY
the same way we have Congress with representation by State.

When unions get corrupted with the same elitist top down politics
as we have seen dividing both major parties,
then people have turned to their party leaders to represent them.

And from there, you can see at least TWO or three camps in each party.

The Sanders Democrats split from the Clinton and "limousine liberals"
and then the Greens and independents against those two colluding
have a third pool of constituents sold out by both left and right camps and stuck in the middle without representation.

So it may take THREE reps to represent each party that gets fractionalized.

Same with the Republicans divided over
career politicians vs. Tea Party and far right hardliners who won't work with others
Trump bucking the system similar to Libertarians
and moderates willing to compromise with even liberals

If we offer and organize Representation by Party
and allow for AS MANY SPLITS as the parties report among their members,
then we could still use the union system to help workers organize by numbers,
while checking against abuses of power at the same time.

We just offer the same to ALL TAXPAYERS
to organize as huge UNIONS.

Organize by party affiliation, even if they split into smaller groups from
* Socialists and Communist Workers
* Libertarians and Anarchists seeking decriminalization
* Natural Law and Christian Party
* Islamists, Zionists or other political religions
* Veterans Party and Constitutionalists
* Greens and Peace and Justice
* Democrats and LGBT liberals
* Republicans and Corporate free enterprise capitalists
* Independent, no affiliation or mixed affiliation
* Lawyers Judges and Govt reps

Have I left anyone out?

Point of information:

Bernie Sanders is a communist.
I would strongly recommend that everyone review how communists functions, and the result of their regimes.

 

[emilynghiem]

Janus.....a union worker who doesn't agree with the Leftist policies and candidates that his union uses the dues it collects, sues to block forcing him to pay dues!

This sort of thing is what he objects to:
" Andy Stern of the SEIU:
We spent a fortune to elect Barack Obama — $60.7 million to be exact — and we’re proud of it." LaborPains.org | The Price of An Election

Union support is the life's blood of the Democrat Party.
Where did the union get that money, and who decided how it is to be spent?



1. "On June 6, the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation asked the Supreme Court to hear Janus v. AFSCME, a case involving plaintiff Mark Janus...is compelled to send part of his paycheck to the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, even though he says that the union does not “represent his interests.”

2. Right-to-work proponents are optimistic that the Court will hear the case and that Neil Gorsuch, Scalia’s replacement, will come down as the fifth vote on the side of employee freedom and overturn the 40-year-old precedent established in Abood v. Detroit Board of Education, in which the Supreme Court held that states may force public-sector workers to pay union dues, ....




3. The Economic Policy Institute, an organization with strong ties to organized labor, claims that prohibiting fair-share payments could “profoundly affect the ability of millions of public-sector workers to improve their wages and working conditions....


4. [But former] research fellow in labor economics at the Heritage Foundation James Sherk explains that “studies that control for differences in costs of living find workers in states with voluntary dues have no lower—and possibly slightly higher—real wages than workers in states with compulsory dues.”





Here come the predictions of the end of the Democrat Party:

5. Even if the Court decides to hear the case, a decision in Janus is most likely a year off. But the unions are planning for the worst-case scenario. California Teachers Association Executive Director Joe Nuñez wrote in January that the CTA should be prepared for a 30 percent to 40 percent membership drop, ....


6. But whatever the membership drop might be, it will be damaging to the unions and could have widespread ramifications. And perhaps no group will be more affected than the Democratic Party. Naomi Walker, an assistant to AFSCME president Lee Saunders and a former Obama administration appointee, said that Janus “could undermine political operations that assist the Democratic Party.”
She added, “The progressive infrastructure in this country, from think tanks to advocacy organizations—which depends on the resources and engagement of workers and their unions—will crumble. We need the entire labor and progressive movements to stand with us and fight for us.
We may not survive without it—and nor, we fear, will they.”


['tis a consummation devoutly to be wished'....The Bard]


7. "The loss of these unions’ political clout certainly was a factor in giving Donald Trump narrow victories in both states. Should the Court decide for Janus in Janus, neither the apocalypse nor utopia will be upon us, but much will change.


8. Most notably, many government workers will have much freedom than they have now, and the Democratic Party won’t have the same bundles of cash flowing from union piggy banks." Janus and Worker Freedom





In full disclosure....the future of the Supreme Court, and of this nation, was my #1 reason for voting for President Trump.
The Democrats see exactly why.

Dear PoliticalChic
1. Thanks for enumerating the several points this issue affects.
You do a great job and I will try to follow your example when I unload on fellow Democrats
and what it will take us to fix the messes caused by party politics.
You go!

2. I still hope I can organize and launch a national class action over the rights violated
and damages caused by the unconstitutional ACA mandates, bailouts, and govt shutdown in protest.
I est. taxpayers are owed billions if not trillions, if we'd all come together as a CLASS and demand refunds and restitution for the imposition
on our finances and freedoms that weren't justified as we were not convicted of crimes to lose our liberties.
Any "compelling interest" could have been addressed with PRIVATE LLC and business/nonprofit reforms without relying on govt to try to force it
which it has no constitutional authority to do WITHOUT AN AMENDMENT FIRST PASSED BY THE SEVERAL STATES TO GIVE THAT FUNCTION TO GOVT.

3. As for labor pools, socialist and other worker parties and unions
PoliticalChic I would say these are the people who could jump on board with business and job plans
and work WITH TRUMP and Trump AND BERNIE supporters to jumpstart economic expansion, starting with schools
that can train new workers to mentor under the experienced laborers retiring and aging out of the system.
Both Trump and Sanders face restitution they owe for abuses and/or academic fraud.
They can use the defunct and abused school system to organize workers
by skill level, match them to business sponsors, and fund education by on the job training
and paid internships so students can work their way through school. Including medical
and nursing school so this provides "universal health care" at the same time we train the staff
and expand the facilities needed to serve local populations to reach all people at affordable sustainable levels.

Together, the workers and small business folks on LEFT and RIGHT
can overcome the oppression by class politics pushed by elitist Democrats
playing the same corporate games they accuse opponents of doing.

Just like the ants and the grasshoppers, the ants need to unite all the anthills
and chase off the bullies exploiting that labor. If we don't unite, that's how we
all become victims to partisan politics pitting the rich and poor against each other.

The workers at the bottom are the key to uniting around sustainable business plans
and development across the states and in each district, focused around local schools and supporting business interests.

For unions, the teachers unions and police unions are the key to stabilizing each district,
uniting with their local communities, taking back control of programs, property and policies
and stopping the govt abuses and waste by politicians making profits and careers off
keeping these people divided against each other instead of organizing and governing their own resources!

Thanks PC
If you can please help me take this idea above
and explain it in conservative talking points,
we can lobby both left and right to unite,
* both Sanders workers supporters and Trump supporters,
* both teachers unions and police unions,
* both health care and prison reform lobbyists,
and take back state resources and local authority
instead of handing more and more over to federal govt where it gets abused.

How can we write this up to appeal to both Left and Right
to unite and create jobs for workers and students to fix these problems and abuses?

1. The most basic point is this: the Constitution allows unions, as shown in the first amendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

2. The problem is two fold:
a. There is no authority for a federal support of unions, as the nation was founded on federalism.
b. How easily politicians are bought and bribed via union money.

3. And that is why the Janus case...if the Supreme Court chooses to hear it, is so significant to the Democrats, and their...'prosperity.'

4. Union membership, nationally, has fallen precipitously. The reason seems obvious to me, and probably to union leadership as well.
That why the socialists/Democrats tried to pass the 'Employee Free Choice Act'...I'll write a post about it in this thread.

5. And this:The Left is less interested in creating wealth than in distributing it.

Thank you PoliticalChic well stated
And SIMILAR abuses and oppression occur with CORPORATE interests run amok
abusing their COLLECTIVE authority and influence/resources at the expense of
INDIVIDUAL due process and protections of people at the bottom. Very similar problems in structure that lend to abuse of power.

"when the power over the many is concentrated in the hands of a few"

QUESTION PC:
Would this problem with Unions and Corporate abuses be checked
if we held ALL collective organizations to the SAME bill of rights and code of ethics
we use to check against GOVT abuses of power and collective resources:

www.ethics-commission.net

Could we go through
* teachers unions
* police unions
* workers unions
and agree to teach ALL CITIZENS the Bill of Rights and the Code of Ethics
to check against abuses by ANY such LARGE organization whether the threat comes from
* corporate abuses
* union abuses
* govt abuses
* religious abuses
* nonprofit abuses
* school abuses
* political party abuses!
etc. etc. etc.

If the SAME corruption and abuses happen with UNIONS,
as with large Corporations, large Religious Organizations (ie Catholic priests hiding abuses behind church policies,
or Jihadists hiding behind Muslim charities),
AND ESPECIALLY ABUSES BY POLITICAL PARTIES
TO PUSH BELIEFS UNCONSTITUTIONALLY THROUGH GOVT

Shouldn't we address ALL abuses in ALL collective organizations across the board?
Woudn't America benefit from having ALL citizens educated on Constitutional limits, rights and process
to prevent abuses by govt or by any other entity or individual so we can have consistent law enforcement and ethics?

 

[emilynghiem]

Just one more effort to make American workers poorer.

. I agree there has to be representation for the workers against greed and slave labor tactics in which had been proven yet again in this country over the issue of cheap labor tactics being used on the Mexican labor forces who many were here illegally. So who will the representatives be if the unions fall ?? Will it be the federal government to then take over the role of labor representation in this nation where there is none or will the unions shake off their poisonous handlers, re-invent itself, and go back to representing American workers instead of corporate interest or political interest that is tied to corporate interest ?

Dear beagle9

I suggest creating a people's parliament with representation by PARTY
the same way we have Congress with representation by State.

When unions get corrupted with the same elitist top down politics
as we have seen dividing both major parties,
then people have turned to their party leaders to represent them.

And from there, you can see at least TWO or three camps in each party.

The Sanders Democrats split from the Clinton and "limousine liberals"
and then the Greens and independents against those two colluding
have a third pool of constituents sold out by both left and right camps and stuck in the middle without representation.

So it may take THREE reps to represent each party that gets fractionalized.

Same with the Republicans divided over
career politicians vs. Tea Party and far right hardliners who won't work with others
Trump bucking the system similar to Libertarians
and moderates willing to compromise with even liberals

If we offer and organize Representation by Party
and allow for AS MANY SPLITS as the parties report among their members,
then we could still use the union system to help workers organize by numbers,
while checking against abuses of power at the same time.

We just offer the same to ALL TAXPAYERS
to organize as huge UNIONS.

Organize by party affiliation, even if they split into smaller groups from
* Socialists and Communist Workers
* Libertarians and Anarchists seeking decriminalization
* Natural Law and Christian Party
* Islamists, Zionists or other political religions
* Veterans Party and Constitutionalists
* Greens and Peace and Justice
* Democrats and LGBT liberals
* Republicans and Corporate free enterprise capitalists
* Independent, no affiliation or mixed affiliation
* Lawyers Judges and Govt reps

Have I left anyone out?

Point of information:

Bernie Sanders is a communist.
I would strongly recommend that everyone review how communists functions, and the result of their regimes.

The Govt that will succeed:
www.ethics-commission.net

 

[AquaAthena]

Janus.....a union worker who doesn't agree with the Leftist policies and candidates that his union uses the dues it collects, sues to block forcing him to pay dues!

This sort of thing is what he objects to:
" Andy Stern of the SEIU:
We spent a fortune to elect Barack Obama — $60.7 million to be exact — and we’re proud of it." LaborPains.org | The Price of An Election

Union support is the life's blood of the Democrat Party.
Where did the union get that money, and who decided how it is to be spent?



1. "On June 6, the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation asked the Supreme Court to hear Janus v. AFSCME, a case involving plaintiff Mark Janus...is compelled to send part of his paycheck to the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, even though he says that the union does not “represent his interests.”

2. Right-to-work proponents are optimistic that the Court will hear the case and that Neil Gorsuch, Scalia’s replacement, will come down as the fifth vote on the side of employee freedom and overturn the 40-year-old precedent established in Abood v. Detroit Board of Education, in which the Supreme Court held that states may force public-sector workers to pay union dues, ....




3. The Economic Policy Institute, an organization with strong ties to organized labor, claims that prohibiting fair-share payments could “profoundly affect the ability of millions of public-sector workers to improve their wages and working conditions....


4. [But former] research fellow in labor economics at the Heritage Foundation James Sherk explains that “studies that control for differences in costs of living find workers in states with voluntary dues have no lower—and possibly slightly higher—real wages than workers in states with compulsory dues.”





Here come the predictions of the end of the Democrat Party:

5. Even if the Court decides to hear the case, a decision in Janus is most likely a year off. But the unions are planning for the worst-case scenario. California Teachers Association Executive Director Joe Nuñez wrote in January that the CTA should be prepared for a 30 percent to 40 percent membership drop, ....


6. But whatever the membership drop might be, it will be damaging to the unions and could have widespread ramifications. And perhaps no group will be more affected than the Democratic Party. Naomi Walker, an assistant to AFSCME president Lee Saunders and a former Obama administration appointee, said that Janus “could undermine political operations that assist the Democratic Party.”
She added, “The progressive infrastructure in this country, from think tanks to advocacy organizations—which depends on the resources and engagement of workers and their unions—will crumble. We need the entire labor and progressive movements to stand with us and fight for us.
We may not survive without it—and nor, we fear, will they.”


['tis a consummation devoutly to be wished'....The Bard]


7. "The loss of these unions’ political clout certainly was a factor in giving Donald Trump narrow victories in both states. Should the Court decide for Janus in Janus, neither the apocalypse nor utopia will be upon us, but much will change.


8. Most notably, many government workers will have much freedom than they have now, and the Democratic Party won’t have the same bundles of cash flowing from union piggy banks." Janus and Worker Freedom





In full disclosure....the future of the Supreme Court, and of this nation, was my #1 reason for voting for President Trump.
The Democrats see exactly why.

Yep, this Democrat knows why; you are a neo fascist and a wannabe authoritarian. You are much like Trump, a narcissist and a hater of all people who question your rants, rants liberally (lol) spread throughout in the effort to control the future ("Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past" Orwell, 1984). Exactly what the current iteration of conservatives seek to do.

Dear Wry Catcher
So let PoliticalChic represent herself, her colleagues, and others who feel her statements speak for them.

And likewise, let the LGBT and others on the left speak for themselves
and defend and exercise their own political beliefs they are equally entitled to.

If we all did this, respect each other's beliefs and exercise under the Constitution,
maybe we wouldn't waste time and energy and resources
fighting to silence each other.

Why can't we allow all parties to develop and pursue their own platform policies that represent their memberships?

Church groups are able to develop and fund their own programs.

Why not require the same of Political Parties?
And leave each other alone instead of ramming political beliefs through govt.

The left protests when Republicans push beliefs in right to life.
The right protests with Democrats push beliefs in right to health care.

Isn't it Discrimination by Creed to allow ONE party's beliefs to be
RAMMED THROUGH FEDERAL GOVT and require all taxpayers to fund it
while denying the same to other parties by "separation of church and state"
and religious freedom from govt establishing beliefs?

Shouldn't all parties and their beliefs be treated the same?
And keep them OUT OF GOVT unless the whole public AGREES on a belief to be integrated into public policy.

If the left protests so much,
perhaps we should "practice what we preach"
and keep our personal political bias and agenda
out of public policy. If we don't like opponents pushing their agenda on us!

The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing

Go President Trump!!!!!!!!

 

[NYcarbineer]

Janus.....a union worker who doesn't agree with the Leftist policies and candidates that his union uses the dues it collects, sues to block forcing him to pay dues!

This sort of thing is what he objects to:
" Andy Stern of the SEIU:
We spent a fortune to elect Barack Obama — $60.7 million to be exact — and we’re proud of it." LaborPains.org | The Price of An Election

Union support is the life's blood of the Democrat Party.
Where did the union get that money, and who decided how it is to be spent?



1. "On June 6, the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation asked the Supreme Court to hear Janus v. AFSCME, a case involving plaintiff Mark Janus...is compelled to send part of his paycheck to the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, even though he says that the union does not “represent his interests.”

2. Right-to-work proponents are optimistic that the Court will hear the case and that Neil Gorsuch, Scalia’s replacement, will come down as the fifth vote on the side of employee freedom and overturn the 40-year-old precedent established in Abood v. Detroit Board of Education, in which the Supreme Court held that states may force public-sector workers to pay union dues, ....




3. The Economic Policy Institute, an organization with strong ties to organized labor, claims that prohibiting fair-share payments could “profoundly affect the ability of millions of public-sector workers to improve their wages and working conditions....


4. [But former] research fellow in labor economics at the Heritage Foundation James Sherk explains that “studies that control for differences in costs of living find workers in states with voluntary dues have no lower—and possibly slightly higher—real wages than workers in states with compulsory dues.”





Here come the predictions of the end of the Democrat Party:

5. Even if the Court decides to hear the case, a decision in Janus is most likely a year off. But the unions are planning for the worst-case scenario. California Teachers Association Executive Director Joe Nuñez wrote in January that the CTA should be prepared for a 30 percent to 40 percent membership drop, ....


6. But whatever the membership drop might be, it will be damaging to the unions and could have widespread ramifications. And perhaps no group will be more affected than the Democratic Party. Naomi Walker, an assistant to AFSCME president Lee Saunders and a former Obama administration appointee, said that Janus “could undermine political operations that assist the Democratic Party.”
She added, “The progressive infrastructure in this country, from think tanks to advocacy organizations—which depends on the resources and engagement of workers and their unions—will crumble. We need the entire labor and progressive movements to stand with us and fight for us.
We may not survive without it—and nor, we fear, will they.”


['tis a consummation devoutly to be wished'....The Bard]


7. "The loss of these unions’ political clout certainly was a factor in giving Donald Trump narrow victories in both states. Should the Court decide for Janus in Janus, neither the apocalypse nor utopia will be upon us, but much will change.


8. Most notably, many government workers will have much freedom than they have now, and the Democratic Party won’t have the same bundles of cash flowing from union piggy banks." Janus and Worker Freedom





In full disclosure....the future of the Supreme Court, and of this nation, was my #1 reason for voting for President Trump.
The Democrats see exactly why.

i'd like to hear stories from people, past and present, if and how they were "persuaded" to vote.
and who employs the two million seiu members.

good one PC.

I've been an SEIU member since 2004. I have never felt compelled to vote for any candidate supported by the SEIU.

I was in a public sector union for awhile and the first thing they do, by law, when you're hired, is offer you a paper to sign that will exempt you from paying the portion of your union dues that go to political activities,

and if you want that, they will lower your dues accordingly.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Janus.....a union worker who doesn't agree with the Leftist policies and candidates that his union uses the dues it collects, sues to block forcing him to pay dues!

This sort of thing is what he objects to:
" Andy Stern of the SEIU:
We spent a fortune to elect Barack Obama — $60.7 million to be exact — and we’re proud of it." LaborPains.org | The Price of An Election

Union support is the life's blood of the Democrat Party.
Where did the union get that money, and who decided how it is to be spent?



1. "On June 6, the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation asked the Supreme Court to hear Janus v. AFSCME, a case involving plaintiff Mark Janus...is compelled to send part of his paycheck to the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, even though he says that the union does not “represent his interests.”

2. Right-to-work proponents are optimistic that the Court will hear the case and that Neil Gorsuch, Scalia’s replacement, will come down as the fifth vote on the side of employee freedom and overturn the 40-year-old precedent established in Abood v. Detroit Board of Education, in which the Supreme Court held that states may force public-sector workers to pay union dues, ....




3. The Economic Policy Institute, an organization with strong ties to organized labor, claims that prohibiting fair-share payments could “profoundly affect the ability of millions of public-sector workers to improve their wages and working conditions....


4. [But former] research fellow in labor economics at the Heritage Foundation James Sherk explains that “studies that control for differences in costs of living find workers in states with voluntary dues have no lower—and possibly slightly higher—real wages than workers in states with compulsory dues.”





Here come the predictions of the end of the Democrat Party:

5. Even if the Court decides to hear the case, a decision in Janus is most likely a year off. But the unions are planning for the worst-case scenario. California Teachers Association Executive Director Joe Nuñez wrote in January that the CTA should be prepared for a 30 percent to 40 percent membership drop, ....


6. But whatever the membership drop might be, it will be damaging to the unions and could have widespread ramifications. And perhaps no group will be more affected than the Democratic Party. Naomi Walker, an assistant to AFSCME president Lee Saunders and a former Obama administration appointee, said that Janus “could undermine political operations that assist the Democratic Party.”
She added, “The progressive infrastructure in this country, from think tanks to advocacy organizations—which depends on the resources and engagement of workers and their unions—will crumble. We need the entire labor and progressive movements to stand with us and fight for us.
We may not survive without it—and nor, we fear, will they.”


['tis a consummation devoutly to be wished'....The Bard]


7. "The loss of these unions’ political clout certainly was a factor in giving Donald Trump narrow victories in both states. Should the Court decide for Janus in Janus, neither the apocalypse nor utopia will be upon us, but much will change.


8. Most notably, many government workers will have much freedom than they have now, and the Democratic Party won’t have the same bundles of cash flowing from union piggy banks." Janus and Worker Freedom





In full disclosure....the future of the Supreme Court, and of this nation, was my #1 reason for voting for President Trump.
The Democrats see exactly why.

Yep, this Democrat knows why; you are a neo fascist and a wannabe authoritarian. You are much like Trump, a narcissist and a hater of all people who question your rants, rants liberally (lol) spread throughout in the effort to control the future ("Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past" Orwell, 1984). Exactly what the current iteration of conservatives seek to do.

While you remain among the least astute and educated of posters, I always try to remember this rule:
A conservative is never so tall as when she stoops to educate a Liberal.

So....here is your education for the day:
"you are a neo fascist..."

These six share the same aims and views for society's end-stage:

Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, Nazism, Progressivism....and Fascism.

I am none of these...
As a conservative, I endorse individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.



Try not to make that mistake again....

 

[NYcarbineer]

You pay union dues because your employer has agreed to accept that union as the agency for negotiating labor issues with the employer. That is a condition of employment your employer imposes on you.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Janus.....a union worker who doesn't agree with the Leftist policies and candidates that his union uses the dues it collects, sues to block forcing him to pay dues!

This sort of thing is what he objects to:
" Andy Stern of the SEIU:
We spent a fortune to elect Barack Obama — $60.7 million to be exact — and we’re proud of it." LaborPains.org | The Price of An Election

Union support is the life's blood of the Democrat Party.
Where did the union get that money, and who decided how it is to be spent?



1. "On June 6, the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation asked the Supreme Court to hear Janus v. AFSCME, a case involving plaintiff Mark Janus...is compelled to send part of his paycheck to the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, even though he says that the union does not “represent his interests.”

2. Right-to-work proponents are optimistic that the Court will hear the case and that Neil Gorsuch, Scalia’s replacement, will come down as the fifth vote on the side of employee freedom and overturn the 40-year-old precedent established in Abood v. Detroit Board of Education, in which the Supreme Court held that states may force public-sector workers to pay union dues, ....




3. The Economic Policy Institute, an organization with strong ties to organized labor, claims that prohibiting fair-share payments could “profoundly affect the ability of millions of public-sector workers to improve their wages and working conditions....


4. [But former] research fellow in labor economics at the Heritage Foundation James Sherk explains that “studies that control for differences in costs of living find workers in states with voluntary dues have no lower—and possibly slightly higher—real wages than workers in states with compulsory dues.”





Here come the predictions of the end of the Democrat Party:

5. Even if the Court decides to hear the case, a decision in Janus is most likely a year off. But the unions are planning for the worst-case scenario. California Teachers Association Executive Director Joe Nuñez wrote in January that the CTA should be prepared for a 30 percent to 40 percent membership drop, ....


6. But whatever the membership drop might be, it will be damaging to the unions and could have widespread ramifications. And perhaps no group will be more affected than the Democratic Party. Naomi Walker, an assistant to AFSCME president Lee Saunders and a former Obama administration appointee, said that Janus “could undermine political operations that assist the Democratic Party.”
She added, “The progressive infrastructure in this country, from think tanks to advocacy organizations—which depends on the resources and engagement of workers and their unions—will crumble. We need the entire labor and progressive movements to stand with us and fight for us.
We may not survive without it—and nor, we fear, will they.”


['tis a consummation devoutly to be wished'....The Bard]


7. "The loss of these unions’ political clout certainly was a factor in giving Donald Trump narrow victories in both states. Should the Court decide for Janus in Janus, neither the apocalypse nor utopia will be upon us, but much will change.


8. Most notably, many government workers will have much freedom than they have now, and the Democratic Party won’t have the same bundles of cash flowing from union piggy banks." Janus and Worker Freedom





In full disclosure....the future of the Supreme Court, and of this nation, was my #1 reason for voting for President Trump.
The Democrats see exactly why.

Yep, this Democrat knows why; you are a neo fascist and a wannabe authoritarian. You are much like Trump, a narcissist and a hater of all people who question your rants, rants liberally (lol) spread throughout in the effort to control the future ("Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past" Orwell, 1984). Exactly what the current iteration of conservatives seek to do.

While you remain among the least astute and educated of posters, I always try to remember this rule:
A conservative is never so tall as when she stoops to educate a Liberal.

So....here is your education for the day:
"you are a neo fascist..."

These six share the same aims and views for society's end-stage:

Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, Nazism, Progressivism....and Fascism.

I am none of these...
As a conservative, I endorse individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.



Try not to make that mistake again....

You left out your endorsement of misogynist rapists for President.

Oh, and PS, the President you support does not support free markets.