DC's Minimum Wage Really Does Cost Jobs At Walmart

[AmericanGirl05]

Everybody in freaking Washington D.C. is on the federal teat. They would be unemployable in a simple job like Walmart.

Is ANYONE advocating for the residents?
Is perpetual poverty an answer for an American city?

That's why we wanted WalMart to come in, idiot.

No problem; just ensure no Tax Dollars from Long Island get there until a bunch of locals own their own stores and hire local people.

Well, let's see. That's not a really good retail model in the current environment.

Where do you buy your groceries? I buy mine from a small chain of gourmet stores based in NY but have a few branches in the local area. I buy essentials from Harris Teeter. Oh, wait, owned by Kroger. Of course Whole Foods is a giant in our inner city. In the gentrified areas, of course.

I could buy from the Korean convenience store but their prices are higher than Harris Teeter's for the same merchandise.

Oh, and one more thing --YOUR tax dollars? Since when does someone from LI pay DC taxes?

I have addressed these issues already.
And yes, our Federal Tax Dollars go across our great nation and to other nations.

No more than my Federal tax dollars go to support liberal welfare programs on LI.

We're even.

Now explain why you think keeping jobs from DC is a good thing.

 

[Indeependent]

Is ANYONE advocating for the residents?
Is perpetual poverty an answer for an American city?

That's why we wanted WalMart to come in, idiot.

No problem; just ensure no Tax Dollars from Long Island get there until a bunch of locals own their own stores and hire local people.

Well, let's see. That's not a really good retail model in the current environment.

Where do you buy your groceries? I buy mine from a small chain of gourmet stores based in NY but have a few branches in the local area. I buy essentials from Harris Teeter. Oh, wait, owned by Kroger. Of course Whole Foods is a giant in our inner city. In the gentrified areas, of course.

I could buy from the Korean convenience store but their prices are higher than Harris Teeter's for the same merchandise.

Oh, and one more thing --YOUR tax dollars? Since when does someone from LI pay DC taxes?

I have addressed these issues already.
And yes, our Federal Tax Dollars go across our great nation and to other nations.

No more than my Federal tax dollars go to support liberal welfare programs on LI.

We're even.

Now explain why you think keeping jobs from DC is a good thing.

Did I not just mention my support for helping locals to own and grow stores?
Did I mess something there?
Do you own Walmart stock?
LI Liberal? Good one!

 

[AmericanGirl05]

That's why we wanted WalMart to come in, idiot.

No problem; just ensure no Tax Dollars from Long Island get there until a bunch of locals own their own stores and hire local people.

Well, let's see. That's not a really good retail model in the current environment.

Where do you buy your groceries? I buy mine from a small chain of gourmet stores based in NY but have a few branches in the local area. I buy essentials from Harris Teeter. Oh, wait, owned by Kroger. Of course Whole Foods is a giant in our inner city. In the gentrified areas, of course.

I could buy from the Korean convenience store but their prices are higher than Harris Teeter's for the same merchandise.

Oh, and one more thing --YOUR tax dollars? Since when does someone from LI pay DC taxes?

I have addressed these issues already.
And yes, our Federal Tax Dollars go across our great nation and to other nations.

No more than my Federal tax dollars go to support liberal welfare programs on LI.

We're even.

Now explain why you think keeping jobs from DC is a good thing.

Did I not just mention my support for helping locals to own and grow stores?
Did I mess something there?
Do you own Walmart stock?
LI Liberal? Good one!

And, as I said, Mom and Pop is not a good retail model in the current environment. Many independent bookstores making it? Or is Amazon taking over?

Yeah, LI is liberal.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I don't want to make anything illegal; I want people to understand what goes on in our society.
Like Walmart's Business Model...put small stores out of business and tell your employees to take my Taxes.
Let them get angry and reinvigorate their city.

Like Walmart's Business Model...put small stores out of business

The only way they can do that is to offer a better selection at a lower price. Awful, I know.

and tell your employees to take my Taxes.

Ahhh, the old, "only WalMart employees get government benefits" theory.

 

[dblack]

I don't want to make anything illegal; I want people to understand what goes on in our society.
Like Walmart's Business Model...put small stores out of business and tell your employees to take my Taxes.
Let them get angry and reinvigorate their city.

Like Walmart's Business Model...put small stores out of business

The only way they can do that is to offer a better selection at a lower price. Awful, I know.

But if they do that by using their clout to get tax breaks and deferments from local governments that give them an advantage over local businesses, the governments are failing to provide equal protection, and need to be held accountable by the feds. This is exactly what the commerce clause was for.

 

[AmericanGirl05]

I don't want to make anything illegal; I want people to understand what goes on in our society.
Like Walmart's Business Model...put small stores out of business and tell your employees to take my Taxes.
Let them get angry and reinvigorate their city.

Like Walmart's Business Model...put small stores out of business

The only way they can do that is to offer a better selection at a lower price. Awful, I know.

But if they do that by using their clout to get tax breaks and deferments from local governments that give them an advantage over local businesses, the governments are failing to provide equal protection, and need to be held accountable by the feds. This is exactly what the commerce clause was for.

In the specific case of DC and the WalMarts -- What local businesses?

 

[dblack]

That's why we wanted WalMart to come in, idiot.

No problem; just ensure no Tax Dollars from Long Island get there until a bunch of locals own their own stores and hire local people.

Well, let's see. That's not a really good retail model in the current environment.

Where do you buy your groceries? I buy mine from a small chain of gourmet stores based in NY but have a few branches in the local area. I buy essentials from Harris Teeter. Oh, wait, owned by Kroger. Of course Whole Foods is a giant in our inner city. In the gentrified areas, of course.

I could buy from the Korean convenience store but their prices are higher than Harris Teeter's for the same merchandise.

Oh, and one more thing --YOUR tax dollars? Since when does someone from LI pay DC taxes?

I have addressed these issues already.
And yes, our Federal Tax Dollars go across our great nation and to other nations.

No more than my Federal tax dollars go to support liberal welfare programs on LI.

We're even.

Now explain why you think keeping jobs from DC is a good thing.

Did I not just mention my support for helping locals to own and grow stores?
Did I mess something there?
Do you own Walmart stock?
LI Liberal? Good one!

I don't think anyone here has a problem with you using your money to support locals. That's what I do too. But other people actually like Wal-Mart, and they should be able to support them as they see fit, eh?

 

[dblack]

I don't want to make anything illegal; I want people to understand what goes on in our society.
Like Walmart's Business Model...put small stores out of business and tell your employees to take my Taxes.
Let them get angry and reinvigorate their city.

Like Walmart's Business Model...put small stores out of business

The only way they can do that is to offer a better selection at a lower price. Awful, I know.

But if they do that by using their clout to get tax breaks and deferments from local governments that give them an advantage over local businesses, the governments are failing to provide equal protection, and need to be held accountable by the feds. This is exactly what the commerce clause was for.

In the specific case of DC and the WalMarts -- What local businesses?

**** I don't know. And I don't care enough to go digging for it. But I've read plenty of reports documenting how large corporations shop municipal and state government for freebies and breaks. And they usually get them. It's not exactly a secret. Are you denying it?

 

[AmericanGirl05]

I don't want to make anything illegal; I want people to understand what goes on in our society.
Like Walmart's Business Model...put small stores out of business and tell your employees to take my Taxes.
Let them get angry and reinvigorate their city.

Like Walmart's Business Model...put small stores out of business

The only way they can do that is to offer a better selection at a lower price. Awful, I know.

But if they do that by using their clout to get tax breaks and deferments from local governments that give them an advantage over local businesses, the governments are failing to provide equal protection, and need to be held accountable by the feds. This is exactly what the commerce clause was for.

In the specific case of DC and the WalMarts -- What local businesses?

**** I don't know. And I don't care enough to go digging for it. But I've read plenty of reports documenting how large corporations shop municipal and state government for freebies and breaks. And they usually get them. It's not exactly a secret. Are you denying it?

To be very honest, sometimes those tax breaks and incentives are good things.

Downtown DC was a disaster and getting worse till the government subsidized the Verizon Center (then the MCI Center). Downtown came back with a vengence and more taxpayers moved into the District.

 

[dblack]

I don't want to make anything illegal; I want people to understand what goes on in our society.
Like Walmart's Business Model...put small stores out of business and tell your employees to take my Taxes.
Let them get angry and reinvigorate their city.

Like Walmart's Business Model...put small stores out of business

The only way they can do that is to offer a better selection at a lower price. Awful, I know.

But if they do that by using their clout to get tax breaks and deferments from local governments that give them an advantage over local businesses, the governments are failing to provide equal protection, and need to be held accountable by the feds. This is exactly what the commerce clause was for.

In the specific case of DC and the WalMarts -- What local businesses?

**** I don't know. And I don't care enough to go digging for it. But I've read plenty of reports documenting how large corporations shop municipal and state government for freebies and breaks. And they usually get them. It's not exactly a secret. Are you denying it?

To be very honest, sometimes those tax breaks and incentives are good things.

It's unjust government. Whenever one person, or business, or class of people, gets a perk, some people are bound to think it's a "good thing". Others, not so much. It's not up to government to score "good things" for us. Government should be the referee, applying the rules equally.

 

[Conservative65]

I don't agree with incorrect assholes. I don't have a problem with cheap labor as long as they are legally here and being paid what their skills are worth. Like I said, if you have $8/hr skills and get paid $8/hr, no problem. Same goes for $5/hr skills or any wage. If the pay matches the skills, what's wrong with paying that amount. If people don't want low wages don't offer low skills.

You think people should be paid above their skill level. Agree or be considered a lying asshole as if people don't already consider you that.

So manufacturing in China at a buck an hour proves that assembly line work is only worth a buck an hour?

That a business owner that does the paying deciding that something is worth whatever an hour makes it worth whatever an hour. Someone accepting a position knowing what the pay is is what makes it worth that amount.

English please.

None of your ******* business what an employer is paying a worker. What the one doing the paying says a job is worth is what it's worth not what you say.

If the person accepts a position knowing the pay, they have no leg to stand on complaining after the fact. **** them.

So if a 12 year old can make a few hundred bucks a pop selling sex to some guy,

it's none of my business?

If you want to have a realistic discussion, do so. If you want to make stupid comment, **** off.

 

[Campbell]

Keep on keeping on.......you will be taken down. It's not fair nor feasible for the most powerful country in the world to accommodate it's rich people while starving it's less fortunate. This bullshit started with Ronald Reagan's tax cuts for the wealthy and when George W. Bush cut them two more times it put average Americans into the jaws of death.

One of every four workers in this country is earning less than the determined poverty level. If you think that's anything close to fair you've got your right wing head up your ignorant ass.

So in your world, poor people not having jobs, because you wiped out the corporations that employ people like Walmart, will some how reverse your myths?

My concept seemed to work well in the 90's for Bill Clinton.....'course you wouldn't want to acknowledge that because the first thing he did when he took office was raised taxes. Republicans stand for cutting taxes, a bigger military and god knows what else.....that's it, GOD!!

The most ignorant or uncaring person I've known in my 81 years on this planet was Ronald Reagan. He slashed tax rates to pre depression levels for the richest people in the country and never cut his spending a goddam dime. He quadrupled the national debt. In other words he funneled trillions of borrowed dollars(from foreign banks) into the pockets of the richest people in the country in the form of tax cuts.

2nd Most ignorant or uncaring....George W. Bush:

..............................................Total U S Debt................................................

Figures Easily Verified....Taken From the Bureau of the Debt

US: $18,775,084,981,440 - Debt as of December 2015?

09/30/2014 $17,824,071,380,733.82

09/30/2013 $16,738,183,526,697.32

09/30/2012 $16,066,241,407,385.89

09/30/2011 $14,790,340,328,557.15

09/30/2010 $13,561,623,030,891.79

09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accommodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48

09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23

09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50

09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)

09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)

09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62

09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34

09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73

09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39

09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32 (Bill Clinton Raised Taxes On The Rich early 1993)

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38 ( Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66

09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03

09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25

09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32

09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16

09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00

09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42

09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00

09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00

09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)(Reagan Slashed Tax Rates To Pre Depression Levels)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00


Amazing what ending a couple of hot Republican wars will do for spending:

Debt is caused by spending. Not cutting taxes. The amount of money collected by the government under Reagan, and Bush, nearly doubled in both cases. So clearly the cutting of taxes, isn't what caused debt.

What did cause debt was over spending. Unlike the military which is a primary duty of the Federal government, welfare, food stamps, medicare and medicaid are not.

Moreover, blaming the military spending when cutting the military to zero, would still have had us in deficit, is illogical... but that's what you people on the left always are. Illogical.

Lastly, if you look at the budget, all during the Reagan years, he proposed lower budgets, and the Congress, which was democrat, over spent Reagans budget.

Equally during the Clinton years, the Republicans in Congress under cut the Clinton budget. If you look the budgets that Clinton proposed, he never once even attempted to cut the deficit. If not for the Republicans during the 90s, the budget would never have come close to being balanced. It was the Republicans that pushed welfare reform. Not Clinton. It was the Republicans that cut subsidies and grants. Not Clinton.

Similarly, Bush Jr for all his failures, after raising spending for the neccessary and good work of dealing with Saddam and Bin Laden, cut the deficit every single year until 2007 where the budget deficit was only $161 Billion. If not for the left-wing sub-prime mortgage disaster (because everyone should own a home, even if they can't afford it), it would have been almost balanced by the time he left office. And since he left office, it's been in the Trillions.

So while you can blather and rave around, the facts really are not on your side at all.

You're so full of shit that you stink. Reagan borrowed enough money to quadruple the national debt from less than one trillion to more than four. Bill Clinton raised taxes, balanced the budget and left a surplus. Then along came George, cut tax rates twice, 2001 and 2003 and doubled the national debt from $5.7 trillion to nearly $12 trillion. None of them has ever cut their spending a goddam dime!

..............................................Total U S Debt................................................

Figures Easily Verified....Taken From the Bureau of the Debt

US: $18,775,084,981,440 - Debt as of December 2015?

09/30/2014 $17,824,071,380,733.82

09/30/2013 $16,738,183,526,697.32

09/30/2012 $16,066,241,407,385.89

09/30/2011 $14,790,340,328,557.15

09/30/2010 $13,561,623,030,891.79

09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accommodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48

09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23

09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50

09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)

09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)

09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62

09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34

09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73

09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39

09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32 (Bill Clinton Raised Taxes On The Rich early 1993)

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38 ( Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66

09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03

09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25

09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32

09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16

09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00

09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42

09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00

09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00

09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)(Reagan Slashed Tax Rates To Pre Depression Levels)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

But the loserterians want to cut the shit out of infrastructure, science, r&d and education that never caused the debt. And at the same time hand out massive tax cuts to the top 5% o the population and nation build in the middle east.

America doesn't really matter to these assholes.

It's exactly why after 30 years of voting the right side of all national elections I went twenty years and didn't even vote. They've never seen a tax cut or a foreign war they didn't like. Halliburton and Blackwater have to eat too. Cheney cleared $25 million on his Halliburton holdings while 4500 young Americans were dying in Iraq. Kinda pitiful after him getting five deferments from the service.....you know......back before Nixon ended the military draft. Elizabeth Cheney, Dick's daughter was born while her father was at home deferred from service in Vietnam. Ain't that a whizzer?

 

[Conservative65]

The only ones calling what I support as an invasion are your kind and Liberals. It's hard sometimes to tell the difference since you both believe the same thing.

Yes or No...Anyone who hires an Illegal should be fined 35 hours * 7 Days * 52 Weeks * (Minimum Wage - $5.00 hour)

Yes or No...All Americans with advanced degrees are stupid and lazy and need to be replaced by Indian Business Visas

Yes or No...The only Americans who are intelligent are Business Owners and thus all Industries should be off-shored to our Totalitarian Ally China

Not yes/no questions. I thought you didn't like the black or white scenarios. Liar.

I question someone based upon their ability to think and express themselves.
These questions pertain DIRECTLY to Ricardo's definition of Free Trade.

How is fining people who hire illegals going to do anything, when illegals generally have fabricated identities?

How is fining people who hire illegals going to work, when many work in the black market already, and are not reported?

I know a place right now, that will fix your car, for a hundred dollars, and you must pay in cash. No one there is reporting anything.

Quite frankly, I have run into dozens of Americans with advanced degrees, that were in fact stupid and lazy. I can take you to them. The ones that are not... are not replaced with Indians. The ones that are, are.

The Americans that offshore... do so because the other option is to close the company. Yes or No.... laying off a few people to off shore, is better than laying off everyone?

I agree with you that SOME people with Advanced degrees, not 3 million.
Bloomberg replaced 700 engineers...700 engineers who worked for Bloomberg for over 20 years.
Bloomberg is obviously not running a very tight ship if it takes his Highness 20 years to realize he has 700 bozos working for him.

Sorry...no dice.
Too many people in too few years with too much Legislation making it easier every year.

Based on your criteria for determining tightness of the ship, it would appear the federal government doesn't run one either. How many bozos draw a check working for them.

 

[Conservative65]

So in your world, poor people not having jobs, because you wiped out the corporations that employ people like Walmart, will some how reverse your myths?

My concept seemed to work well in the 90's for Bill Clinton.....'course you wouldn't want to acknowledge that because the first thing he did when he took office was raised taxes. Republicans stand for cutting taxes, a bigger military and god knows what else.....that's it, GOD!!

The most ignorant or uncaring person I've known in my 81 years on this planet was Ronald Reagan. He slashed tax rates to pre depression levels for the richest people in the country and never cut his spending a goddam dime. He quadrupled the national debt. In other words he funneled trillions of borrowed dollars(from foreign banks) into the pockets of the richest people in the country in the form of tax cuts.

2nd Most ignorant or uncaring....George W. Bush:

..............................................Total U S Debt................................................

Figures Easily Verified....Taken From the Bureau of the Debt

US: $18,775,084,981,440 - Debt as of December 2015?

09/30/2014 $17,824,071,380,733.82

09/30/2013 $16,738,183,526,697.32

09/30/2012 $16,066,241,407,385.89

09/30/2011 $14,790,340,328,557.15

09/30/2010 $13,561,623,030,891.79

09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accommodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48

09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23

09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50

09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)

09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)

09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62

09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34

09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73

09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39

09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32 (Bill Clinton Raised Taxes On The Rich early 1993)

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38 ( Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66

09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03

09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25

09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32

09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16

09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00

09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42

09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00

09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00

09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)(Reagan Slashed Tax Rates To Pre Depression Levels)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00


Amazing what ending a couple of hot Republican wars will do for spending:

Debt is caused by spending. Not cutting taxes. The amount of money collected by the government under Reagan, and Bush, nearly doubled in both cases. So clearly the cutting of taxes, isn't what caused debt.

What did cause debt was over spending. Unlike the military which is a primary duty of the Federal government, welfare, food stamps, medicare and medicaid are not.

Moreover, blaming the military spending when cutting the military to zero, would still have had us in deficit, is illogical... but that's what you people on the left always are. Illogical.

Lastly, if you look at the budget, all during the Reagan years, he proposed lower budgets, and the Congress, which was democrat, over spent Reagans budget.

Equally during the Clinton years, the Republicans in Congress under cut the Clinton budget. If you look the budgets that Clinton proposed, he never once even attempted to cut the deficit. If not for the Republicans during the 90s, the budget would never have come close to being balanced. It was the Republicans that pushed welfare reform. Not Clinton. It was the Republicans that cut subsidies and grants. Not Clinton.

Similarly, Bush Jr for all his failures, after raising spending for the neccessary and good work of dealing with Saddam and Bin Laden, cut the deficit every single year until 2007 where the budget deficit was only $161 Billion. If not for the left-wing sub-prime mortgage disaster (because everyone should own a home, even if they can't afford it), it would have been almost balanced by the time he left office. And since he left office, it's been in the Trillions.

So while you can blather and rave around, the facts really are not on your side at all.

You're so full of shit that you stink. Reagan borrowed enough money to quadruple the national debt from less than one trillion to more than four. Bill Clinton raised taxes, balanced the budget and left a surplus. Then along came George, cut tax rates twice, 2001 and 2003 and doubled the national debt from $5.7 trillion to nearly $12 trillion. None of them has ever cut their spending a goddam dime!

..............................................Total U S Debt................................................

Figures Easily Verified....Taken From the Bureau of the Debt

US: $18,775,084,981,440 - Debt as of December 2015?

09/30/2014 $17,824,071,380,733.82

09/30/2013 $16,738,183,526,697.32

09/30/2012 $16,066,241,407,385.89

09/30/2011 $14,790,340,328,557.15

09/30/2010 $13,561,623,030,891.79

09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accommodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48

09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23

09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50

09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)

09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)

09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62

09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34

09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73

09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39

09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32 (Bill Clinton Raised Taxes On The Rich early 1993)

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38 ( Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66

09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03

09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25

09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32

09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16

09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00

09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42

09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00

09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00

09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)(Reagan Slashed Tax Rates To Pre Depression Levels)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

But the loserterians want to cut the shit out of infrastructure, science, r&d and education that never caused the debt. And at the same time hand out massive tax cuts to the top 5% o the population and nation build in the middle east.

America doesn't really matter to these assholes.

It's exactly why after 30 years of voting the right side of all national elections I went twenty years and didn't even vote. They've never seen a tax cut or a foreign war they didn't like. Halliburton and Blackwater have to eat too. Cheney cleared $25 million on his Halliburton holdings while 4500 young Americans were dying in Iraq. Kinda pitiful after him getting five deferments from the service.....you know......back before Nixon ended the military draft. Elizabeth Cheney, Dick's daughter was born while her father was at home deferred from service in Vietnam. Ain't that a whizzer?

Is that the same type of deferment Bill Clinton received in 1968?

 

[Campbell]

My concept seemed to work well in the 90's for Bill Clinton.....'course you wouldn't want to acknowledge that because the first thing he did when he took office was raised taxes. Republicans stand for cutting taxes, a bigger military and god knows what else.....that's it, GOD!!

The most ignorant or uncaring person I've known in my 81 years on this planet was Ronald Reagan. He slashed tax rates to pre depression levels for the richest people in the country and never cut his spending a goddam dime. He quadrupled the national debt. In other words he funneled trillions of borrowed dollars(from foreign banks) into the pockets of the richest people in the country in the form of tax cuts.

2nd Most ignorant or uncaring....George W. Bush:

..............................................Total U S Debt................................................

Figures Easily Verified....Taken From the Bureau of the Debt

US: $18,775,084,981,440 - Debt as of December 2015?

09/30/2014 $17,824,071,380,733.82

09/30/2013 $16,738,183,526,697.32

09/30/2012 $16,066,241,407,385.89

09/30/2011 $14,790,340,328,557.15

09/30/2010 $13,561,623,030,891.79

09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accommodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48

09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23

09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50

09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)

09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)

09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62

09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34

09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73

09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39

09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32 (Bill Clinton Raised Taxes On The Rich early 1993)

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38 ( Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66

09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03

09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25

09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32

09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16

09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00

09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42

09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00

09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00

09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)(Reagan Slashed Tax Rates To Pre Depression Levels)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00


Amazing what ending a couple of hot Republican wars will do for spending:

Debt is caused by spending. Not cutting taxes. The amount of money collected by the government under Reagan, and Bush, nearly doubled in both cases. So clearly the cutting of taxes, isn't what caused debt.

What did cause debt was over spending. Unlike the military which is a primary duty of the Federal government, welfare, food stamps, medicare and medicaid are not.

Moreover, blaming the military spending when cutting the military to zero, would still have had us in deficit, is illogical... but that's what you people on the left always are. Illogical.

Lastly, if you look at the budget, all during the Reagan years, he proposed lower budgets, and the Congress, which was democrat, over spent Reagans budget.

Equally during the Clinton years, the Republicans in Congress under cut the Clinton budget. If you look the budgets that Clinton proposed, he never once even attempted to cut the deficit. If not for the Republicans during the 90s, the budget would never have come close to being balanced. It was the Republicans that pushed welfare reform. Not Clinton. It was the Republicans that cut subsidies and grants. Not Clinton.

Similarly, Bush Jr for all his failures, after raising spending for the neccessary and good work of dealing with Saddam and Bin Laden, cut the deficit every single year until 2007 where the budget deficit was only $161 Billion. If not for the left-wing sub-prime mortgage disaster (because everyone should own a home, even if they can't afford it), it would have been almost balanced by the time he left office. And since he left office, it's been in the Trillions.

So while you can blather and rave around, the facts really are not on your side at all.

You're so full of shit that you stink. Reagan borrowed enough money to quadruple the national debt from less than one trillion to more than four. Bill Clinton raised taxes, balanced the budget and left a surplus. Then along came George, cut tax rates twice, 2001 and 2003 and doubled the national debt from $5.7 trillion to nearly $12 trillion. None of them has ever cut their spending a goddam dime!

..............................................Total U S Debt................................................

Figures Easily Verified....Taken From the Bureau of the Debt

US: $18,775,084,981,440 - Debt as of December 2015?

09/30/2014 $17,824,071,380,733.82

09/30/2013 $16,738,183,526,697.32

09/30/2012 $16,066,241,407,385.89

09/30/2011 $14,790,340,328,557.15

09/30/2010 $13,561,623,030,891.79

09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accommodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48

09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23

09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50

09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)

09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)

09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62

09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34

09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73

09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39

09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32 (Bill Clinton Raised Taxes On The Rich early 1993)

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38 ( Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66

09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03

09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25

09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32

09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16

09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00

09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42

09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00

09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00

09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)(Reagan Slashed Tax Rates To Pre Depression Levels)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

But the loserterians want to cut the shit out of infrastructure, science, r&d and education that never caused the debt. And at the same time hand out massive tax cuts to the top 5% o the population and nation build in the middle east.

America doesn't really matter to these assholes.

It's exactly why after 30 years of voting the right side of all national elections I went twenty years and didn't even vote. They've never seen a tax cut or a foreign war they didn't like. Halliburton and Blackwater have to eat too. Cheney cleared $25 million on his Halliburton holdings while 4500 young Americans were dying in Iraq. Kinda pitiful after him getting five deferments from the service.....you know......back before Nixon ended the military draft. Elizabeth Cheney, Dick's daughter was born while her father was at home deferred from service in Vietnam. Ain't that a whizzer?

Is that the same type of deferment Bill Clinton received in 1968?

Probably.....I tried to stay out of the service myself......it just didn't work. My point was that Elizabeth Cheney wouldn't exist had it not been for Dick Cheney's deferment....a touch of irony.

 

[Conservative65]

Debt is caused by spending. Not cutting taxes. The amount of money collected by the government under Reagan, and Bush, nearly doubled in both cases. So clearly the cutting of taxes, isn't what caused debt.

What did cause debt was over spending. Unlike the military which is a primary duty of the Federal government, welfare, food stamps, medicare and medicaid are not.

Moreover, blaming the military spending when cutting the military to zero, would still have had us in deficit, is illogical... but that's what you people on the left always are. Illogical.

Lastly, if you look at the budget, all during the Reagan years, he proposed lower budgets, and the Congress, which was democrat, over spent Reagans budget.

Equally during the Clinton years, the Republicans in Congress under cut the Clinton budget. If you look the budgets that Clinton proposed, he never once even attempted to cut the deficit. If not for the Republicans during the 90s, the budget would never have come close to being balanced. It was the Republicans that pushed welfare reform. Not Clinton. It was the Republicans that cut subsidies and grants. Not Clinton.

Similarly, Bush Jr for all his failures, after raising spending for the neccessary and good work of dealing with Saddam and Bin Laden, cut the deficit every single year until 2007 where the budget deficit was only $161 Billion. If not for the left-wing sub-prime mortgage disaster (because everyone should own a home, even if they can't afford it), it would have been almost balanced by the time he left office. And since he left office, it's been in the Trillions.

So while you can blather and rave around, the facts really are not on your side at all.

You're so full of shit that you stink. Reagan borrowed enough money to quadruple the national debt from less than one trillion to more than four. Bill Clinton raised taxes, balanced the budget and left a surplus. Then along came George, cut tax rates twice, 2001 and 2003 and doubled the national debt from $5.7 trillion to nearly $12 trillion. None of them has ever cut their spending a goddam dime!

..............................................Total U S Debt................................................

Figures Easily Verified....Taken From the Bureau of the Debt

US: $18,775,084,981,440 - Debt as of December 2015?

09/30/2014 $17,824,071,380,733.82

09/30/2013 $16,738,183,526,697.32

09/30/2012 $16,066,241,407,385.89

09/30/2011 $14,790,340,328,557.15

09/30/2010 $13,561,623,030,891.79

09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accommodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48

09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23

09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50

09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)

09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)

09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62

09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34

09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73

09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39

09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32 (Bill Clinton Raised Taxes On The Rich early 1993)

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38 ( Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66

09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03

09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25

09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32

09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16

09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00

09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42

09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00

09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00

09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)(Reagan Slashed Tax Rates To Pre Depression Levels)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

But the loserterians want to cut the shit out of infrastructure, science, r&d and education that never caused the debt. And at the same time hand out massive tax cuts to the top 5% o the population and nation build in the middle east.

America doesn't really matter to these assholes.

It's exactly why after 30 years of voting the right side of all national elections I went twenty years and didn't even vote. They've never seen a tax cut or a foreign war they didn't like. Halliburton and Blackwater have to eat too. Cheney cleared $25 million on his Halliburton holdings while 4500 young Americans were dying in Iraq. Kinda pitiful after him getting five deferments from the service.....you know......back before Nixon ended the military draft. Elizabeth Cheney, Dick's daughter was born while her father was at home deferred from service in Vietnam. Ain't that a whizzer?

Is that the same type of deferment Bill Clinton received in 1968?

Probably.....I tried to stay out of the service myself......it just didn't work. My point was that Elizabeth Cheney wouldn't exist had it not been for Dick Cheney's deferment....a touch of irony.

You can't say that with 100% certainty just speculate.

Hillary and Bill may not have been married without his deferment and she wouldn't be able to use her time as 1st "Lady" pretending it qualified her to run for Senate in NY.

 

[Campbell]

You're so full of shit that you stink. Reagan borrowed enough money to quadruple the national debt from less than one trillion to more than four. Bill Clinton raised taxes, balanced the budget and left a surplus. Then along came George, cut tax rates twice, 2001 and 2003 and doubled the national debt from $5.7 trillion to nearly $12 trillion. None of them has ever cut their spending a goddam dime!

..............................................Total U S Debt................................................

Figures Easily Verified....Taken From the Bureau of the Debt

US: $18,775,084,981,440 - Debt as of December 2015?

09/30/2014 $17,824,071,380,733.82

09/30/2013 $16,738,183,526,697.32

09/30/2012 $16,066,241,407,385.89

09/30/2011 $14,790,340,328,557.15

09/30/2010 $13,561,623,030,891.79

09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accommodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48

09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23

09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50

09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)

09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)

09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62

09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34

09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73

09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39

09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32 (Bill Clinton Raised Taxes On The Rich early 1993)

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38 ( Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66

09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03

09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25

09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32

09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16

09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00

09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42

09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00

09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00

09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)(Reagan Slashed Tax Rates To Pre Depression Levels)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

But the loserterians want to cut the shit out of infrastructure, science, r&d and education that never caused the debt. And at the same time hand out massive tax cuts to the top 5% o the population and nation build in the middle east.

America doesn't really matter to these assholes.

It's exactly why after 30 years of voting the right side of all national elections I went twenty years and didn't even vote. They've never seen a tax cut or a foreign war they didn't like. Halliburton and Blackwater have to eat too. Cheney cleared $25 million on his Halliburton holdings while 4500 young Americans were dying in Iraq. Kinda pitiful after him getting five deferments from the service.....you know......back before Nixon ended the military draft. Elizabeth Cheney, Dick's daughter was born while her father was at home deferred from service in Vietnam. Ain't that a whizzer?

Is that the same type of deferment Bill Clinton received in 1968?

Probably.....I tried to stay out of the service myself......it just didn't work. My point was that Elizabeth Cheney wouldn't exist had it not been for Dick Cheney's deferment....a touch of irony.

You can't say that with 100% certainty just speculate.

Hillary and Bill may not have been married without his deferment and she wouldn't be able to use her time as 1st "Lady" pretending it qualified her to run for Senate in NY.

There's quite a difference in your specified "coincidences" and one egg being fertilized. I have an idea that if Cheney had been in the military that particular egg wouldn't have gotten fertilized....at least not by Dick's dick.

 

[Conservative65]

But the loserterians want to cut the shit out of infrastructure, science, r&d and education that never caused the debt. And at the same time hand out massive tax cuts to the top 5% o the population and nation build in the middle east.

America doesn't really matter to these assholes.

It's exactly why after 30 years of voting the right side of all national elections I went twenty years and didn't even vote. They've never seen a tax cut or a foreign war they didn't like. Halliburton and Blackwater have to eat too. Cheney cleared $25 million on his Halliburton holdings while 4500 young Americans were dying in Iraq. Kinda pitiful after him getting five deferments from the service.....you know......back before Nixon ended the military draft. Elizabeth Cheney, Dick's daughter was born while her father was at home deferred from service in Vietnam. Ain't that a whizzer?

Is that the same type of deferment Bill Clinton received in 1968?

Probably.....I tried to stay out of the service myself......it just didn't work. My point was that Elizabeth Cheney wouldn't exist had it not been for Dick Cheney's deferment....a touch of irony.

You can't say that with 100% certainty just speculate.

Hillary and Bill may not have been married without his deferment and she wouldn't be able to use her time as 1st "Lady" pretending it qualified her to run for Senate in NY.

There's quite a difference in your specified "coincidences" and one egg being fertilized. I have an idea that if Cheney had been in the military that particular egg wouldn't have gotten fertilized....at least not by Dick's dick.

You speculate.

 

[NYcarbineer]

So manufacturing in China at a buck an hour proves that assembly line work is only worth a buck an hour?

That a business owner that does the paying deciding that something is worth whatever an hour makes it worth whatever an hour. Someone accepting a position knowing what the pay is is what makes it worth that amount.

English please.

None of your ******* business what an employer is paying a worker. What the one doing the paying says a job is worth is what it's worth not what you say.

If the person accepts a position knowing the pay, they have no leg to stand on complaining after the fact. **** them.

So if a 12 year old can make a few hundred bucks a pop selling sex to some guy,

it's none of my business?

If you want to have a realistic discussion, do so. If you want to make stupid comment, **** off.

I do want to have a realistic discussion.

You said it's no one's business what an employer is paying a worker. You don't really believe that, as I proved with my reply.

Say what you mean, as the first step to a realistic discussion.

 

[Campbell]

It's exactly why after 30 years of voting the right side of all national elections I went twenty years and didn't even vote. They've never seen a tax cut or a foreign war they didn't like. Halliburton and Blackwater have to eat too. Cheney cleared $25 million on his Halliburton holdings while 4500 young Americans were dying in Iraq. Kinda pitiful after him getting five deferments from the service.....you know......back before Nixon ended the military draft. Elizabeth Cheney, Dick's daughter was born while her father was at home deferred from service in Vietnam. Ain't that a whizzer?

Is that the same type of deferment Bill Clinton received in 1968?

Probably.....I tried to stay out of the service myself......it just didn't work. My point was that Elizabeth Cheney wouldn't exist had it not been for Dick Cheney's deferment....a touch of irony.

You can't say that with 100% certainty just speculate.

Hillary and Bill may not have been married without his deferment and she wouldn't be able to use her time as 1st "Lady" pretending it qualified her to run for Senate in NY.

There's quite a difference in your specified "coincidences" and one egg being fertilized. I have an idea that if Cheney had been in the military that particular egg wouldn't have gotten fertilized....at least not by Dick's dick.

You speculate.

Yeah....like I'm pretty sure the sun will rise tomorrow.