Criminalizing unemployed - Sen. Hatch wants unemployed to face mandatory drug tests

[American Horse]

I knew that, but I simply could not resist giving you a bad time about it.

Immie

 

[Ravi]

No one ever claimed it was based on full gross wages.

Read threads. Do not cherry pick individual posts to make a judgenment call.

I will make it easy for you.

And I am paraphrasing:

Care4all said that unemployment is earned as it is part of the employees compensation. I said it is not part of the employees compensation as it is based on the employees wages when they were employed but the employees compensation does not include anything about unemployment. I elaborated by saying that whereas unemployment insurance is catagorized as a cost of payroll, it is not part of payroll based on the employees slary while empoloyed.

Unemployment is not part of the employees compensation package. Benefits are, salary is, vacation time and personal days. Unemployment is like berevement days. Soemthing you get but not something you earn.

Unemployment is considered part of employee benefits. That's all that really matters. Employees get paid unemployment if they are laid off.

 

[Jarhead]

No one ever claimed it was based on full gross wages.

Read threads. Do not cherry pick individual posts to make a judgenment call.

I will make it easy for you.

And I am paraphrasing:

Care4all said that unemployment is earned as it is part of the employees compensation. I said it is not part of the employees compensation as it is based on the employees wages when they were employed but the employees compensation does not include anything about unemployment. I elaborated by saying that whereas unemployment insurance is catagorized as a cost of payroll, it is not part of payroll based on the employees slary while empoloyed.

Unemployment is not part of the employees compensation package. Benefits are, salary is, vacation time and personal days. Unemployment is like berevement days. Soemthing you get but not something you earn.

Unemployment is considered part of employee benefits. That's all that really matters. Employees get paid unemployment if they are laid off.

You are wrong.
Example:

An employee is working. He/she gets benefits. An employee steals from the company and no one knows for weeks. The employee still gets benefits. The employer finds out the employee stole and fires employee. The employee does not get unemployment.

It is not part of benefits. It is an entitlement mandated by the federal government. It is not part of an employees handbook. It is not listed as a benefit.

It is not a benefit. It is not earned. It is an entitlement.

And it is one that I agree with.

 

[Ravi]

Read threads. Do not cherry pick individual posts to make a judgenment call.

I will make it easy for you.

And I am paraphrasing:

Care4all said that unemployment is earned as it is part of the employees compensation. I said it is not part of the employees compensation as it is based on the employees wages when they were employed but the employees compensation does not include anything about unemployment. I elaborated by saying that whereas unemployment insurance is catagorized as a cost of payroll, it is not part of payroll based on the employees slary while empoloyed.

Unemployment is not part of the employees compensation package. Benefits are, salary is, vacation time and personal days. Unemployment is like berevement days. Soemthing you get but not something you earn.

Unemployment is considered part of employee benefits. That's all that really matters. Employees get paid unemployment if they are laid off.

You are wrong.
Example:

An employee is working. He/she gets benefits. An employee steals from the company and no one knows for weeks. The employee still gets benefits. The employer finds out the employee stole and fires employee. The employee does not get unemployment.

It is not part of benefits. It is an entitlement mandated by the federal government. It is not part of an employees handbook. It is not listed as a benefit.

It is not a benefit. It is not earned. It is an entitlement.

And it is one that I agree with.

There are some types of employee benefits that are mandated by law, including minimum wage, overtime, leave under the Family Medical Leave Act, unemployment, and workers compensation and disability. There are other types of employee benefits that employers are not required to offer, but choose to provide to their employees.

Definition: Unemployment insurance is compensation provided to workers who are unemployed through no fault of their own. Unemployment provides monetary payments for a specific period of time or until the worker finds a new job. Unemployment benefits are provided by state unemployment insurance programs within guidelines established by Federal law. Eligibility for unemployment insurance, benefit amounts and the length of time benefits are available are determined by state law.

Unemployment - Unemployment Insurance

Not everyone works overtime. Overtime is still a benefit. Unemployment is an employee benefit.

 

[SFC Ollie]

In the business world, many companies give drug tests to those that have never done drugs; innocent people who are "guilty until proven innocent"...


So the unemployed will be subjected to it if they want to become employed and get a paycheck so what is wrong with subjecting them to it so they can get a paycheck when unemployed?

Furthermore, for those that do drugs, it will be an impetus to stop doing drugs.

I dopnt understand the outrage.

it gives government power, they do not constitutionally have...they are not employing you in a dangerous or complicated job....it is a government ''reach'' in to the private lives of citizens, that employ them(the gvt worker) with their tax dollars.

if you can show me where in the constitution they have been given this power, i'd appreciate it.

*the 20 plus years i worked, i never was required to take a drug test.

Lucky you, In one unit i was in (for 4 years) we had to pee in the cup every week.
and 2 of the 3 civilian jobs I had required an initial and one of them a semi annual, unannounced.

 

[Jarhead]

Unemployment is considered part of employee benefits. That's all that really matters. Employees get paid unemployment if they are laid off.

You are wrong.
Example:

An employee is working. He/she gets benefits. An employee steals from the company and no one knows for weeks. The employee still gets benefits. The employer finds out the employee stole and fires employee. The employee does not get unemployment.

It is not part of benefits. It is an entitlement mandated by the federal government. It is not part of an employees handbook. It is not listed as a benefit.

It is not a benefit. It is not earned. It is an entitlement.

And it is one that I agree with.

There are some types of employee benefits that are mandated by law, including minimum wage, overtime, leave under the Family Medical Leave Act, unemployment, and workers compensation and disability. There are other types of employee benefits that employers are not required to offer, but choose to provide to their employees.

Definition: Unemployment insurance is compensation provided to workers who are unemployed through no fault of their own. Unemployment provides monetary payments for a specific period of time or until the worker finds a new job. Unemployment benefits are provided by state unemployment insurance programs within guidelines established by Federal law. Eligibility for unemployment insurance, benefit amounts and the length of time benefits are available are determined by state law.

Unemployment - Unemployment Insurance

Not everyone works overtime. Overtime is still a benefit. Unemployment is an employee benefit.

Unemployemnt is not a benefit of the company, it is a benefit of the government paid for by the company. A company chooses what benefits it wishes to offer its employees. UYnemployment is not a choice of the employer. It is a federal mandate.

Overtime is not a benefit for all companies. Some have it and others dont. It is either listed as a benefit or it is not. It is not mandated by law. The only time the law governs overtime is as it pertains to equality of employees (HR Law). If one non exempt employee gets paid overtime, then all non exempt employees are afforded overtime if they work it. Otherwise, Overtime is not a law.

Unemployment is not a benefit, It is a federally mandated entitlement.

 

[Ravi]

It makes no difference if it is mandated or not. It is an employee benefit.

Employee Benefits

 

[Jarhead]

It makes no difference if it is mandated or not. It is an employee benefit.

Employee Benefits

Your link takes us to the IRS site.

So you are saying it is an eanred benefit becuase the IRS refers to it as a benefit of employment?

You truly are grasping for straws.

It is an entitlement. Not an employee benefit earned. If the government mandates it and it it not by choice of the employer, it is not a company offered benefit. It is a mandate and an entitlement.

 

[Ravi]

Welfare is an entitlement. Unemployment is a benefit.

 

[Jarhead]

Welfare is an entitlement. Unemployment is a benefit.

OK. I admire your convictions.

We see it differently but I bleive we both agree that whether a benefit or an entitlement, it is well warranted.

 

[Jarhead]

Got it Ravi. As long as I disagree with you I am worthy of a response. Once I agree with you, whats the sense.

Gotcha.

 

[Ravi]

Welfare is an entitlement. Unemployment is a benefit.

OK. I admire your convictions.

We see it differently but I bleive we both agree that whether a benefit or an entitlement, it is well warranted.

Fair enough. Care was right, IMO. But it is okay if you consider it something other than an employee benefit.

 

[Ravi]

Got it Ravi. As long as I disagree with you I am worthy of a response. Once I agree with you, whats the sense.

Gotcha.

Now you're just being silly. Sometimes I actually have to work.

 

[Care4all]

it gives government power, they do not constitutionally have...they are not employing you in a dangerous or complicated job....it is a government ''reach'' in to the private lives of citizens, that employ them(the gvt worker) with their tax dollars.

if you can show me where in the constitution they have been given this power, i'd appreciate it.

*the 20 plus years i worked, i never was required to take a drug test.

Lucky you, In one unit i was in (for 4 years) we had to pee in the cup every week.
and 2 of the 3 civilian jobs I had required an initial and one of them a semi annual, unannounced.

Most executives and management in Corporations are not drug tested. In all of the 5 corporations I worked for, no one of upper management was drug tested....we were hired for our ability to do the job. We were fired for our lack of ability to do the job.

Only one of the corporations drug tested the men working in the warehouse, whose work with the machinery lifting and distributing the merchandise had to be drug tested.

I would venture to say, there is no corporation that drug tests their upper management....there is no CEO that has had to be drug tested, there is no vp or director that has had to be drug tested.

that's a pretty strong statement on my part, but that is my experience...

Care

 

[Jarhead]

Got it Ravi. As long as I disagree with you I am worthy of a response. Once I agree with you, whats the sense.

Gotcha.

Now you're just being silly. Sometimes I actually have to work.

Yeah. That was a bit silly of me. I, too need to work and I hate it when someone syas "sure, make your point and run"

My apologies.

 

[Jarhead]

*the 20 plus years i worked, i never was required to take a drug test.

Lucky you, In one unit i was in (for 4 years) we had to pee in the cup every week.
and 2 of the 3 civilian jobs I had required an initial and one of them a semi annual, unannounced.

Most executives and management in Corporations are not drug tested. In all of the 5 corporations I worked for, no one of upper management was drug tested....we were hired for our ability to do the job. We were fired for our lack of ability to do the job.

Only one of the corporations drug tested the men working in the warehouse, whose work with the machinery lifting and distributing the merchandise had to be drug tested.

I would venture to say, there is no corporation that drug tests their upper management....there is no CEO that has had to be drug tested, there is no vp or director that has had to be drug tested.

that's a pretty strong statement on my part, but that is my experience...

Care

Actually, it is somewhat accurate.
That is part of the term "exempt" and "non exempt".
Exempt employees (usually management and higher) are exactly that. Exempt from certain protocols levied on the "masses" (the non-exempt employees). This is in an effort to maximize equality efficiency and minimize law suits against the company. And yes, usually the exempt employees are not subjected to drug tests, but some may be. But if one non exempt employee is, then all non exempt employees are.

 

[Care4all]

Lucky you, In one unit i was in (for 4 years) we had to pee in the cup every week.
and 2 of the 3 civilian jobs I had required an initial and one of them a semi annual, unannounced.

Most executives and management in Corporations are not drug tested. In all of the 5 corporations I worked for, no one of upper management was drug tested....we were hired for our ability to do the job. We were fired for our lack of ability to do the job.

Only one of the corporations drug tested the men working in the warehouse, whose work with the machinery lifting and distributing the merchandise had to be drug tested.

I would venture to say, there is no corporation that drug tests their upper management....there is no CEO that has had to be drug tested, there is no vp or director that has had to be drug tested.

that's a pretty strong statement on my part, but that is my experience...

Care

Actually, it is somewhat accurate.
That is part of the term "exempt" and "non exempt".
Exempt employees (usually management and higher) are exactly that. Exempt from certain protocols levied on the "masses" (the non-exempt employees). This is in an effort to maximize equality efficiency and minimize law suits against the company. And yes, usually the exempt employees are not subjected to drug tests, but some may be. But if one non exempt employee is, then all non exempt employees are.

Thanks, that explains it!

We did not drug test our regular employees in the same corporate office either....the guys in the warehouse was a different location about 20 miles from our corporate headquarters, all of them were drug tested.

I had to hire (and fire) many individuals during my years and not once did I have to use a drug test on them to determine if they were the right person for the job....my interviews with them, told me whether they were the right person for the job.....

I could care less if they drank themselves silly at night when they got home, or smoked themselves in to oblivion.....

what they accomplished at work and did at work, is what mattered.

 

[mal]

I don't agree with THIS. If you are collecting UE isnurance that's money you paid in. I am however pro drug testing welfare fags.

LOL Wannabeblonde neg repped me and called me an asshole for this post???? I guess she is either

A) pro drug testing for UE payments
B) against drug testing to receive welfare
C) A bitter ***** who needs to get laid and stop taking out her frustration on the board.

A Question... Is "Wannabeblonde" Luissa?...



peace...

 

[California Girl]

With 'rights' come 'responsibilities'. This is something often overlooked by the drooling lefties. I have no problem with those drawing unemployment checks to be required to ensure that they are capable of getting a job in return for their money. So, why shouldn't they have to stay off the illegal substances?

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Gee.....a busy-body Mormon; who'd have guessed it.

That should pretty-much deep-six Romney's future.​