Creation of Universe in Abrahamic faiths

[BecauseIKnow]

I would like to have a discussion on the creation of the universe in Abrahamic texts, Torah, Bible and Koran. Now, if you want to argue that you don't hold a book sacred, please stay out. Come into this discussion acknowledging that we will discuss verses in all these religious texts and how they describe creation of the universe. I'm not trying to make a creationist vs evolutionist thread. This is religious examining and discussion of verses which indicate the creation of the Universe and addresses the people who have discovered the 'great explosion theory' but still don't believe as it says in one of these verses. So thanks for taking your time and lets have a kind discussion. Thank you.......

 

[BecauseIKnow]

Genesis 1:1-31

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day. ...

 

[BecauseIKnow]

[It is] he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof [are] as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
- Isaiah 40:22

Mention here of stretching the 'Heavens'

 

[BecauseIKnow]

Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.
Job 9:8

 

[BecauseIKnow]

“And the heaven We created with might, and indeed We are (its) expander.” (Quran 51:47)

 

[BecauseIKnow]

“He (God) is the Originator of the heavens and the earth…” (Quran 6:101)

“Is not He who created the heavens and the earth Able to create the likes of them? Yes; and He is the Knowing Creator. His command is only when He intends a thing that He says to it, ‘Be,’ and it is.” (Quran 36:81-82)

 

[BecauseIKnow]

Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were joined together as one united piece, and then we parted them? And we have made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe) [Al Anbiya: 30

This is the one that might refer to non believers as discovering the Big Bang theory?

 

[BecauseIKnow]

With power did we construct the heaven. Verily, we are Able to extend the vastness of space thereof." [Al Zariyat: 47

We are able to expand, so the Heaven back then to people is probably what we describe as space today and so this heaven can be extended/expanded. We also know the Universe is expanding and one day it will contract.

 

[BecauseIKnow]

Genesis 1:26

Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

 

[BecauseIKnow]

Now, these verses are some of the verses referring to the 'spreading' out of the Universe at the beginning, indicating it was once all very close to each other in one form and a 'spreading' out occurred. And to this day it hasn't stopped, the galaxy's are moving farther apart from each other.

Keep in mind these were not originally written in English, they were Aramaic, Hebrew, Greek and Arabic texts so remind yourself these languages are complex in meanings of a word and little difference can change the statement.

 

[BecauseIKnow]

This would obviously mean then people will look a the age of the Universe and compare it to what the chronology of the Bible is, which is a lengthy debate. And people are welcome to discuss that. We also have hadiths(collections of sayings) that state God in himself is bigger than the seven 'heavens'. Does anyone ever think about this aspect of religion and study it?

Rather than just encompass the organized tenets of these religions?

 

[BecauseIKnow]

Btw, when I said if you don't hold these books sacred then stay out, I'm not referring to atheists or agnostics. Everyone is welcome, I was just addressing people who will try and argue Islam is not Abrahamic, it's just a headache.....

 

[BecauseIKnow]

So why do agnostics and religious folks have a hard time examining these verses and what they mean? What do they mean to a agnostic/atheist?

 

[Dajjal]

Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were joined together as one united piece, and then we parted them? And we have made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe) [Al Anbiya: 30

This is the one that might refer to non believers as discovering the Big Bang theory?

First we have to decide which is the most accurate translation of the verse. 21.30


21.30

knoble quran- Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?

Muhammad Asad- ARE, THEN, they who are bent on denying the truth not aware that the heavens and the earth were [once] one single entity, which We then parted asunder? – and [that] We made out of water every living thing? Will they not, then, [begin to] believe?

M. M. Pickthall- Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and we made every living thing of water? Will they not then believe?

Shakir- Do not those who disbelieve see that the heavens and the earth were closed up, but We have opened them; and We have made of water everything living, will they not then believe?

Yusuf Ali- (Saudi Rev. 1985) Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?

Yusuf Ali- (Orig. 1938) Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?

Dr. Laleh Bakhtiar- Consider not those who were ungrateful that the heavens and the earth had been interwoven and We unstitched them? And We made every living thing of water. Will they, then, not believe?

Wahiduddin Khan- Do not those who deny the truth see that the heavens and the earth were joined together and that We then split them asunder? And that We have made every living thing out of water? Will they still not believe?

T.B.Irving- Have not those who disbelieve seen how Heaven and Earth were once one solid mass which We ripped apart? We have made every living thing out of water. Will they still not believe?

[Al-Muntakhab]- Do the infidels who deny Allah not see into the creation of the universe - the heavens and the earth-! Both were one mass and We split them asunder* and We made every living being dependent upon water**. We made it an essential component or constituent of every living cell. Will they -the infidels- not be brought to their senses and realize that there is a Creator!

[Progressive Muslims]- Did those who reject not see that the heavens and the Earth were one piece and We tore them apart And that We made from the water everything that lives. Will they not believe

Abdel Haleem- Are the disbelievers not aware that the heavens and the earth used to be joined together and that We ripped them apart, that We made every living thing from water? Will they not believe?

Abdul Majid Daryabadi- Have not these who disbelieve considered that the heavens and the earth were closed up, then We rent them? And We have made of water everything living; will they not then believe?

Ahmed Ali- Do not these unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were an integrated mass, then We split them and made every living thing from water? Will they not believe even then?

Aisha Bewley- Do those who are kafir not see that the heavens and the earth were sewn together and then We unstitched them and that We made from water every living thing? So will they not have iman?

Ali Ünal- Do those who disbelieve ever consider that the heavens and the earth were at first one piece, and then We parted them as separate entities; and that We have made every living thing from water? Will they still not come to believe?

Ali Quli Qara'i- Have the faithless not regarded that the heavens and the earth were interwoven and We unravelled them, and We made every living thing out of water? Will they not then have faith?

Amatul Rahman Omar- Do those who disbelieve not see that the heavens and the earth were (once) one mass all closed up, then We rent them apart. And it is from water that We created all life. Will they not believe (in the face of all this).

Hamid S. Aziz- Do not those who disbelieve see that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, and We parted them; and We made every living thing from water. Will they then not believe?

Muhammad Mahmoud Ghali- And have not the ones who disbelieved seen that the heavens and the earth were an integrated (mass), then We unseamed them, and of water We have made every living thing? Would they then not believe?

Muhammad Sarwar- Have the unbelievers not ever considered that the heavens and the earth were one piece and that We tore them apart from one another. From water We have created all living things. Will they then have no faith?

Muhammad Taqi Usmani- Did the disbelievers not observe that the heavens and the earth were closed, then We opened them? And We created from water every living thing. Would they still not believe?

Shabbir Ahmed- Are not the disbelievers willing to consider that the heavens and the earth used to be one solid mass that We exploded into parting (79:30) and We made out of water every living thing? (24:45). Will they not then (some day) believe? (Numerous celestial bodies came into being and started swimming along in their orbits (21:33), (36:40)).

Syed Vickar Ahamed- Do the disbelievers not see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one), before We tore them apart? We made every living thing from water. Then, will they not believe?

Umm Muhammad (Sahih International)- Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?

Farook Malik- Have not the unbelievers ever considered that the skies and the earth were once one mass, then We split them asunder? And We have created every living thing from water. Will they still not believe?

Dr. Munir Munshey- Do the unbelievers not consider the fact that the heavens and the earth were joined together? We split them asunder! And from water, We created every living being! Do they not believe (that)?

Tahir-ul-Qadri Mohammad- And have the disbelievers not seen that the whole heavenly universe and the earth were (all) joined together as one unit and then We split them apart? And We originated (the life of) living organism (on earth) from water. So do they not accept faith (even after learning these facts brought forth by the Qur´an)?

Dr. Kamal Omar- Have not those who have disbelieved realised that the heavens and the earth were both joined together (as one mass), then We separated the two? And We have made from water every living thing. Will they not then Believe?

Bilal Muhammad- Do the unbelievers fail to see that the heavens and the earth were joined together, before we split them apart? We made every living thing from water. Will they not then believe?

Maududi- Did the unbelievers (who do not accept the teaching of the Prophet) not realize that the heavens and the earth were one solid mass, then We tore them apart, and We made every living being out of water? Will they, then, not believe (that We created all this)?

Bijan Moeinian- Are those who have chosen the disbelief not aware of the fact that at the beginning everything in the universe was densely concentrated (so concentrated that could pass through the eye of a needle,) then I exploded it into existence?1 Do they not know that I have created everything living species from the water? What is their excuse now in order to choose the disbelief?

Faridul Haque- Did not the disbelievers observe that the heavens and the earth were together, so We parted them, and we made every living thing from water? So will they not accept faith?

Hasan Al-Fatih Qaribullah- Have the unbelievers not seen that the heavens and the earth were sewn up as one (solid) mass, then We unstitched them, and that We made every living thing of water? Will they not believe!

Maulana Muhammad Ali- Do not those who disbelieve see that the heavens and the earth were closed up, so We rent them. And We made from water everything living. Will they not then believe?

Muhammad Ahmed - Samira- Did those who disbelieved not see that the skies/space and the earth/Planet Earth, they (B) were joined , so We split/ruptured them (B) , and We made/created from the water every thing alive/living, so do they not believe?

Sher Ali- Do not the disbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were a closed up-mass, then WE opened them out? And WE made of water every living thing. Will they not then believe?

Rashad Khalifa- Do the unbelievers not realize that the heaven and the earth used to be one solid mass that we exploded into existence? And from water we made all living things. Would they believe?

Hilali & Khan- Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were joined together as one united piece, then We parted them? And We have made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?

Arthur John Arberry- Have not the unbelievers then beheld that the heavens and the earth were a mass all sewn up, and then We unstitched them and of water fashioned every living thing? Will they not believe?

Edward Henry Palmer- Do not those who misbelieve see that the heavens and the earth were both solid, and we burst them asunder; and we made from water every living thing - will they then not believe?

George Sale- Do not the unbelievers therefore know, that the heavens and the earth were solid, and We clave the same in sunder; and made every living thing of water? Will they not therefore believe?

John Medows Rodwell- Do not the infidels see that the heavens and the earth were both a solid mass, and that we clave them asunder, and that by means of water we give life to everything? Will they not then believe?

N J Dawood- (draft) Are the disbelievers unaware that the heavens and the earth were but one solid mass which We tore asunder, and that We made every living thing from water? Will they not have faith?

 

[BecauseIKnow]

Or we can just read the Arabic verse, as I said all these texts aren't English, and it's hard to translate them perfectly in English. However the general message can be noticed.

 

[Sunni Man]

^^^ Here is the Surah 21:30 in the original arabic so that you can compare it to the translations.

اَوَلَمۡ يَرَ الَّذِيۡنَ كَفَرُوۡۤا اَنَّ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَالۡاَرۡضَ كَانَـتَا رَتۡقًا فَفَتَقۡنٰهُمَا* ؕ وَجَعَلۡنَا مِنَ الۡمَآءِ كُلَّ شَىۡءٍ حَىٍّ* ؕ اَفَلَا يُؤۡمِنُوۡنَ
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[Dajjal]

As far as I understand it, big bang theory does not say the heaven and earth were clove asunder, it says energy was released and the first atoms formed were hydrogen gas. The first stars were formed from that gas, and only billions of years later, after the first stars expoded were heavy atoms released into the universe to create planets.

 

[Dajjal]

^^^ Here is the Surah 21:30 in the original arabic so that you can compare it to the translations.

اَوَلَمۡ يَرَ الَّذِيۡنَ كَفَرُوۡۤا اَنَّ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَالۡاَرۡضَ كَانَـتَا رَتۡقًا فَفَتَقۡنٰهُمَا* ؕ وَجَعَلۡنَا مِنَ الۡمَآءِ كُلَّ شَىۡءٍ حَىٍّ* ؕ اَفَلَا يُؤۡمِنُوۡنَ
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I can't read squiggle.

 

[BecauseIKnow]

As far as I understand it, big bang theory does not say the heaven and earth were clove asunder, it says energy was released and the first atoms formed were hydrogen gas. The first stars were formed from that gas, and only billions of years later, after the first stars expoded were heavy atoms released into the universe to create planets.

Heaven is space in Arabic, it's not the Paradise. They are two different things.

 

[BecauseIKnow]

^^^ Here is the Surah 21:30 in the original arabic so that you can compare it to the translations.

اَوَلَمۡ يَرَ الَّذِيۡنَ كَفَرُوۡۤا اَنَّ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَالۡاَرۡضَ كَانَـتَا رَتۡقًا فَفَتَقۡنٰهُمَا* ؕ وَجَعَلۡنَا مِنَ الۡمَآءِ كُلَّ شَىۡءٍ حَىٍّ* ؕ اَفَلَا يُؤۡمِنُوۡنَ
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Those who disbelieved that the heavens and the ground were one and they were aparted, and we made happen of all things alive from the water. And they disbelieve still.

It's kind of hard to translate. English doesn't have some of the words needed.