Creation o Evolution.

[sealybobo]

The earth is 4.3 billion years old
Human beings are at most have been evolving for the past 5-8 million years and only become our current species around 180,000 years ago.
Civilization formed in what is today modern Iraq and syria about 10,000 years ago!

Dinosaurs lived 65 to 180 million years ago!
The Atlantic opened up to a band of lakes around 180 million years
The shifting of the continents from the super continents took at least that long to break into what we have today.
There has been a handful of other such mega continents before that too.


All these facts matter a whole hell of a lot more then some 2,000 year old book wrote by sheep riders that didn't understand basic geology, biology, and was so full of shit that they couldn't see straight.

My point proven, God has been around forever.

You mean the cosmos

 

[sealybobo]

They'll never be proof either way. Never.

You are just choosing to remain ignorant or you are incapable of grasping the science. In essence you're putting your fingers in your ears and going lalala!.

There's no proof a God exists yet that you believe.

Lots of evidence for evolution yet that theory makes you uncomfortable

Theory. And like I said in the end I'll win either way.

Doesn't sound like you really believe. Sounds like you are just too scared of God to admit your religion makes no sense to the rest of us.

Seek and it shall be open to you.

You think you're the only one who seeks?

Who said seek and it shall be open to you? Who said that? Was it Einstein? Michael farriday? Newton?

What do you mean you don't have a problem with evolution? You coming around?

 

[SixFoot]

One thing's for sure; whether you believe in Creation or Evolution, plants came first.

 

[sealybobo]

The fact is we don't know. And the answer will come when we die. As for some it will be to late as for some it will be a day of rejoicing.

A Few Reasons an Evolutionary Origin of Life Is Impossible | The Institute for Creation Research

The human body with all of its magnificence could not have just evolved.

The question is, what do you know?

There Are at Least 10 Billion Trillion Stars in the Universe. There are probably more than 170 billion galaxies in the observable universe. There could be 500 million planets capable of supporting life in our galaxy



Human beings are literally made out of star stuff. Almost all of the chemical elements that make up a person come from the stars. Any element heavier than hydrogen originated in the stars, and we are definitely composed of more than hydrogen. Calcium, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen and around 60 other basic ingredients make up a human being. Since hydrogen and helium were the only elements around before the stars “cooked” up some more, it’s a safe bet that most of the substance that constitutes the “physical” you comes from the stars. In the words ofCarl Sagan, “The nitrogen in our DNA, the calcium in our teeth, the iron in our blood, the carbon in our apple pies were made in the interiors of collapsing stars. We are made of starstuff.”

 

[froggy]

The fact is we don't know. And the answer will come when we die. As for some it will be to late as for some it will be a day of rejoicing.

A Few Reasons an Evolutionary Origin of Life Is Impossible | The Institute for Creation Research

The human body with all of its magnificence could not have just evolved.

The question is, what do you know?

There Are at Least 10 Billion Trillion Stars in the Universe. There are probably more than 170 billion galaxies in the observable universe. There could be 500 million planets capable of supporting life in our galaxy



Human beings are literally made out of star stuff. Almost all of the chemical elements that make up a person come from the stars. Any element heavier than hydrogen originated in the stars, and we are definitely composed of more than hydrogen. Calcium, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen and around 60 other basic ingredients make up a human being. Since hydrogen and helium were the only elements around before the stars “cooked” up some more, it’s a safe bet that most of the substance that constitutes the “physical” you comes from the stars. In the words ofCarl Sagan, “The nitrogen in our DNA, the calcium in our teeth, the iron in our blood, the carbon in our apple pies were made in the interiors of collapsing stars. We are made of starstuff.”

that's funny all those
are found in dirt

 

[froggy]

The fact is we don't know. And the answer will come when we die. As for some it will be to late as for some it will be a day of rejoicing.

A Few Reasons an Evolutionary Origin of Life Is Impossible | The Institute for Creation Research

The human body with all of its magnificence could not have just evolved.

The question is, what do you know?

There Are at Least 10 Billion Trillion Stars in the Universe. There are probably more than 170 billion galaxies in the observable universe. There could be 500 million planets capable of supporting life in our galaxy



Human beings are literally made out of star stuff. Almost all of the chemical elements that make up a person come from the stars. Any element heavier than hydrogen originated in the stars, and we are definitely composed of more than hydrogen. Calcium, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen and around 60 other basic ingredients make up a human being. Since hydrogen and helium were the only elements around before the stars “cooked” up some more, it’s a safe bet that most of the substance that constitutes the “physical” you comes from the stars. In the words ofCarl Sagan, “The nitrogen in our DNA, the calcium in our teeth, the iron in our blood, the carbon in our apple pies were made in the interiors of collapsing stars. We are made of starstuff.”

Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 2:7 - King James Version

 

[ipaps]

Yes and if one's choice of lifestyle is such that it offends God, then they deem it more expedient to simply deny the existence of God and continue in their lifestyle.

Try this:

Warren Jeffs says, "If one's choice of lifestyle is such that it offends God, then they deem it more expedient to simply deny the existence of God and continue in their lifestyle."

Is this the right way to convince others to believe in God?

 

[sealybobo]

The fact is we don't know. And the answer will come when we die. As for some it will be to late as for some it will be a day of rejoicing.

A Few Reasons an Evolutionary Origin of Life Is Impossible | The Institute for Creation Research

The human body with all of its magnificence could not have just evolved.

We may complain about freezing temperatures, but most cold snaps leave us little worse for the wear. That’s not the case for a common lizard living on the Texas-Mexico border, which, in just the span of a few months, underwent a dramatic genetic transformation in response to cold weather. In fact—in one of the most detailed examples of rapid evolution to date—a new study shows that just one cold snap can change the way green anoles’ muscular and nervous systems respond to temperature.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/08/cold-snap-makes-lizards-evolve-just-few-months

 

[froggy]

The fact is we don't know. And the answer will come when we die. As for some it will be to late as for some it will be a day of rejoicing.

A Few Reasons an Evolutionary Origin of Life Is Impossible | The Institute for Creation Research

The human body with all of its magnificence could not have just evolved.

We may complain about freezing temperatures, but most cold snaps leave us little worse for the wear. That’s not the case for a common lizard living on the Texas-Mexico border, which, in just the span of a few months, underwent a dramatic genetic transformation in response to cold weather. In fact—in one of the most detailed examples of rapid evolution to date—a new study shows that just one cold snap can change the way green anoles’ muscular and nervous systems respond to temperature.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/08/cold-snap-makes-lizards-evolve-just-few-months

I think those idiots need to realize the difference between evolving and adapting

 

[ScienceRocks]

Since there isn't a ounce of evidence for creation....Well,

 

[MarkDuffy]

Creation o Evolution.

Sigh

Once again

There is no conflict between evolution and creation

Evolution occurs AFTER creation.

Evolution
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Definition

noun, plural: evolutions

(1) The change in genetic composition of a population over successive generations, which may be caused by natural selection, inbreeding, hybridization, or mutation.

(2) The sequence of events depicting the development of a species or of a group of related organisms; phylogeny.

Evolution - Biology-Online Dictionary

 

[sealybobo]

The fact is we don't know. And the answer will come when we die. As for some it will be to late as for some it will be a day of rejoicing.

A Few Reasons an Evolutionary Origin of Life Is Impossible | The Institute for Creation Research

The human body with all of its magnificence could not have just evolved.

Why is it always the most backward people and parts of the world push this anti evolution bullshit? Oh yea, Religion.

Turkey Bans the Teaching of Evolution in Public Schools

 

[sealybobo]

In Turkey, Schools Will Stop Teaching Evolution This Fall

 

[Luddly Neddite]

The fact is we don't know. And the answer will come when we die. As for some it will be to late as for some it will be a day of rejoicing.

A Few Reasons an Evolutionary Origin of Life Is Impossible | The Institute for Creation Research

The human body with all of its magnificence could not have just evolved.

1. It's true, we don't know for sure.
2. What we do know is that it didn't happen the way the bible says it did.
3. I believe that God is the father of evolution. If you really know the evolutionary process, you will see God in it.
4. The human body is not unlike the body of every other complicated organism/animal. Yes, it did evolve.
5. It's a demonstrable fact the Creation is impossible.

That's what this post is about I know we had a creator

froggy

First you wrote "the fact is, we don't know"
Now, you say "I know we had a creator".

It's no accident that trump's base say they are fundie christian.


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[Luddly Neddite]

The fact is we don't know. And the answer will come when we die. As for some it will be to late as for some it will be a day of rejoicing.

A Few Reasons an Evolutionary Origin of Life Is Impossible | The Institute for Creation Research

The human body with all of its magnificence could not have just evolved.

1. Argument from ignorance fallacy.

2. Speculation.

3. Argument from complexity fallacy.

Rethink your arguments and examine each argument critically. Then reevaluate your position. God gave humans the ability to reason. Use it.

Coloradomtnman

Anyone who does as you suggest will get a good belly laugh at the god myths and put them in the same category as the tooth fairy, Santa and Tinker Bell.


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[sealybobo]

The fact is we don't know. And the answer will come when we die. As for some it will be to late as for some it will be a day of rejoicing.

A Few Reasons an Evolutionary Origin of Life Is Impossible | The Institute for Creation Research

The human body with all of its magnificence could not have just evolved.

1. It's true, we don't know for sure.
2. What we do know is that it didn't happen the way the bible says it did.
3. I believe that God is the father of evolution. If you really know the evolutionary process, you will see God in it.
4. The human body is not unlike the body of every other complicated organism/animal. Yes, it did evolve.
5. It's a demonstrable fact the Creation is impossible.

That's what this post is about I know we had a creator

froggy

First you wrote "the fact is, we don't know"
Now, you say "I know we had a creator".

It's no accident that trump's base say they are fundie christian.


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Trump's base remind me of dumb Muslims who deny science and they want their nations to be Muslim like they want this to be a Christian nation

 

[sealybobo]

The fact is we don't know. And the answer will come when we die. As for some it will be to late as for some it will be a day of rejoicing.

A Few Reasons an Evolutionary Origin of Life Is Impossible | The Institute for Creation Research

The human body with all of its magnificence could not have just evolved.

Every animal is magnificent and did evolve.

Also, as for some it being too late and some rejoice? Nonsense. Maybe religion will provide you with some hope or comfort that I won't get but the end is the same for everyone. Know what it's like? Remember what it was like before you were born? Exactly like that. You won't suffer at all.

Most atheists appreciate being born. No afterlife necessary

 

[MarkDuffy]

The fact is we don't know. And the answer will come when we die. As for some it will be to late as for some it will be a day of rejoicing.

A Few Reasons an Evolutionary Origin of Life Is Impossible | The Institute for Creation Research

The human body with all of its magnificence could not have just evolved.

1. It's true, we don't know for sure.
2. What we do know is that it didn't happen the way the bible says it did.
3. I believe that God is the father of evolution. If you really know the evolutionary process, you will see God in it.
4. The human body is not unlike the body of every other complicated organism/animal. Yes, it did evolve.
5. It's a demonstrable fact the Creation is impossible.

That's what this post is about I know we had a creator

froggy

First you wrote "the fact is, we don't know"
Now, you say "I know we had a creator".

It's no accident that trump's base say they are fundie christian.


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Trump's base remind me of dumb Muslims who deny science and they want their nations to be Muslim like they want this to be a Christian nation

and it was the Islamic world who kept science alive until they went all RW fundie like modern day RW "Christians"

 

[MarkDuffy]

One thing's for sure; whether you believe in Creation or Evolution, plants came first.


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Not quite

Which evolved first plants or animals?

Animals.

• The oldest fossils that give evidence to plants are from the Ordivician, fossilized plant spores that are 450 million years old. If you want whole plant fossils: in the Rhynie chert, a 410 million year old fossil bed along with algae, lichens, fungi and even arthropods very nice preserved primitive plants have been found. Those are plants with water-conducting cells and sporangia but without leaves. (for plants with flowers you have to wait till 200 million years ago and the first grasses take another 80 million years).
• Animals came earlier. Sponges, which may seem and are very primitive as they lack organs, muscles and nerves are nevertheless multi-cellular true animals that reproduce sexually. They do so by buddying: sperm is released into the ocean and is sucked up by another sponge where it fertilizes a female egg. Sponges also show co-ordinated movement and have a simple immune system. But what distinguishes them clearly from plants is that they are not capable of making their own food, instead they capture tiny micro-organisms which they digest. They do so by pumping water in and out by the action of their flagella, tiny treads like whips. The oldest traces of sponges - a type of cholesterol biomarker, namely 24-isopropylcholestane - were found in rocks from the Cryogenian period, dated at 640 million years ago.

So the animals beat the plants by almost 200 million years.

https://www.quora.com/Which-evolved-first-plants-or-animals

First life on earth were heterotrophs (basically animals). They invented mitochondria the energy plant of the cell with its own DNA. Plants came later with the invention of the chloroplast. Plants have both mitochondria & chloroplasts.

It is thought that mitochondria were invasive organisms that invaded original heterotrophs and became symbiotic. This explains why they have their own DNA. Similarly, chloroplasts also have their own DNA.

http://www.indiana.edu/~ensiweb/bioE.hetero.hypo.nar.pdf

This is also more evidence for evolution and against creationism. God would not need to put DNA in organelles. Nuclear DNA would work just fine.

 

[IsaacNewton]

Education leads to ----> Understanding the reality of evolution for which there is a mountain range of evidence and a rejection of ignorance
Ignorance leads to ----> Belief in an invisible magical entity for which there is no evidence and a rejection of education (no god need be named, insert any religion)


If in fact there is 'a god' responsible for the universe it is knowledge and science that would discover that. Religious people denigrate science and discovery because they are terrified of the outcome.