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The fact is we don't know. And the answer will come when we die. As for some it will be to late as for some it will be a day of rejoicing.

A Few Reasons an Evolutionary Origin of Life Is Impossible | The Institute for Creation Research

The human body with all of its magnificence could not have just evolved.
You go from admitting we don't know to saying the day you die is a day you will rejoice? And others won't rejoice? Who? And how do you know they won't rejoice too? Is it because you believe in God? Who says that is required?

There may be a God. We don't know. I agree with you up to that point. Everything after that is just man made ancient superstitious bullshit
 

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froggy, creationism/evolution is not a salvation issue.
 
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The fact is we don't know. And the answer will come when we die. As for some it will be to late as for some it will be a day of rejoicing.

A Few Reasons an Evolutionary Origin of Life Is Impossible | The Institute for Creation Research

The human body with all of its magnificence could not have just evolved.
You go from admitting we don't know to saying the day you die is a day you will rejoice? And others won't rejoice? Who? And how do you know they won't rejoice too? Is it because you believe in God? Who says that is required?

There may be a God. We don't know. I agree with you up to that point. Everything after that is just man made ancient superstitious bullshit
A lot of man made stuff did cause trouble that's why you should seek and it will be open to you
 

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The fact is we don't know. And the answer will come when we die. As for some it will be to late as for some it will be a day of rejoicing.
The fact is .. Apples and Oranges.
Evolution speaks to life AFTER It started/how it progressed.
Life's start is called abiogenesis.
Life may have arisen 'evolutionarily' from non-life, but the Fact of evolution does NOT depend on how life started, only explains it's progression.
You are Not even Literate in this debate.

froggy said:
LOL, A conspiracy website.

froggy said:
The human body with all of its magnificence could not have just evolved.
It demonstrably Has evolved.
Life can traced to a continuum, with many creatures, including us, having anatomical vestiges of our Evolutionary ancestors.
An Immaculate 'Creation' event wouldn't leave useless organs/etc.

29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: Part 2
Douglas Theobald, Ph.D.
Prediction 2.1: Anatomical vestiges

Some of the most renowned Evidence for evolution are the various nonfunctional or rudimentary vestigial characters, both anatomical and molecular, that are found throughout biology. A vestige is defined, independently of evolutionary theory, as a reduced and rudimentary structure compared to the same complex structure in other organisms. Vestigial characters, if functional, perform relatively simple, minor, or inessential functions using structures that were clearly designed for other complex purposes. Though many vestigial organs have no function, complete non-functionality is not a requirement for vestigiality...
[.......]
Geoffroy was at a loss for why exactly nature "always leaves vestiges of an organ", yet he could not deny his empirical observations. Ten years later, Jean-Baptiste Lamarck (1744-1829) identified several vestigial structures in his Zoological Philosophy
[.......]...these "Hypocritical" structures profess something that they do Not do—they clearly appear designed for a certain function which they do Not perform. However, Common Descent provides a scientific explanation for these peculiar structures. Existing species have different structures and perform different functions. If all living organisms descended from a common ancestor, then both functions and structures necessarily have been gained and lost in each lineage during macroevolutionary history. Therefore, from Common Descent and the constraint of gradualism, we predict that many organisms should retain vestigial structures as structural remnants of lost functions. Note that the exact evolutionary mechanism which created a vestigial structure is irrelevant as long as the mechanism is a gradual one.

Confirmation:
There are Many examples of rudimentary and Nonfunctional vestigial characters carried by organisms, and these can very often be explained in terms of evolutionary histories. For example, from independent phylogenetic evidence, snakes are known to be the descendants of four-legged reptiles. Most Pythons (which are legless snakes) carry Vestigial Pelvises hidden beneath their skin.. The Vestigial pelvis in Pythons is Not attached to vertebrae (as is the normal case in most vertebrates), and it simply floats in the abdominal cavity. Some lizards carry rudimentary, Vestigial Legs underneath their skin, undetectable from the outside...
Many cave dwelling animals, such as the fish Astyanax mexicanus (the Mexican tetra) and the salamander species Typhlotriton spelaeus and Proteus anguinus, are blind yet have rudimentary, Vestigial eyes....
[.......]
The ancestors of Humans are known to have been Herbivorous, and molar teeth are required for chewing and grinding plant material. Over 90% of all adult humans develop third molars (otherwise known as Wisdom Teeth).
Usually these teeth never erupt from the gums, and in one Third of all individuals they are Malformed and Impacted... These Useless teeth can cause significant pain, increased risk for injury, and may result in illness and even death.

Another Vestige of our herbivorous ancestry is the vermiform appendix.
While this intestinal structure may retain a function of some sort, perhaps in the development of the immune system, it is a rudimentary version of the much larger caecum that is essential for digestion of plants in other mammals..."

Yet another human Vestigial structure is the Coccyx, the four fused caudal vertebrae found at the base of the spine, exactly where most mammals and many other primates have external Tails protruding from the back. Humans and other apes are some of the only vertebrates that lack an external tail as an adult.
The coccyx is a developmental Remnant of the embryonic tail that forms in humans and then is degraded and eaten by our immune system ... Our internal tail is Unnecessary for sitting, walking, and elimination (all of which are functions attributed to the coccyx by many anti-evolutionists). The caudal vertebrae of the coccyx can cause extreme and unnecessary chronic pain in some unfortunate people, a condition called coccydynia. The entire coccyx can be surgically removed without any ill effects (besides surgical complications)...
[.......]
 
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The fact is we don't know. And the answer will come when we die. As for some it will be to late as for some it will be a day of rejoicing.

A Few Reasons an Evolutionary Origin of Life Is Impossible | The Institute for Creation Research

The human body with all of its magnificence could not have just evolved.

1. It's true, we don't know for sure.
2. What we do know is that it didn't happen the way the bible says it did.
3. I believe that God is the father of evolution. If you really know the evolutionary process, you will see God in it.
4. The human body is not unlike the body of every other complicated organism/animal. Yes, it did evolve.
5. It's a demonstrable fact the Creation is impossible.
 

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The fact is we don't know. And the answer will come when we die. As for some it will be to late as for some it will be a day of rejoicing.

A Few Reasons an Evolutionary Origin of Life Is Impossible | The Institute for Creation Research

The human body with all of its magnificence could not have just evolved.

My opinion is simple it could be that we are two different beings and this is not our actual planet where we started from.

Is it impossible?

Nope, and until proven there is a Divine creator the idea of evolution or even being from another planet is all possible...
 
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The fact is we don't know. And the answer will come when we die. As for some it will be to late as for some it will be a day of rejoicing.
The fact is .. Apples and Oranges.
Evolution speaks to life AFTER It started/how it progressed.
Life's start is called abiogenesis.
Life may have arisen 'evolutionarily' from non-life. but the Fact of evolution does NOT depend on how life started... Only explains it's progression.

froggy said:
LOL, A conspiracy website.

froggy said:
The human body with all of its magnificence could not have just evolved.
LOFL
It demonstrably has evolved.
Life can traced to a continuum, with many creatures, including us, having anatomical vestiges of our evolutionary ancestors.
An Immaculate 'Creation' event wouldn't leave useless organs/etc.

29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: Part 2
Douglas Theobald, Ph.D.
Prediction 2.1: Anatomical vestiges

Some of the most renowned Evidence for evolution are the various nonfunctional or rudimentary vestigial characters, both anatomical and molecular, that are found throughout biology. A vestige is defined, independently of evolutionary theory, as a reduced and rudimentary structure compared to the same complex structure in other organisms. Vestigial characters, if functional, perform relatively simple, minor, or inessential functions using structures that were clearly designed for other complex purposes. Though many vestigial organs have no function, complete non-functionality is not a requirement for vestigiality...
[.......]
Geoffroy was at a loss for why exactly nature "always leaves vestiges of an organ", yet he could not deny his empirical observations. Ten years later, Jean-Baptiste Lamarck (1744-1829) identified several vestigial structures in his Zoological Philosophy
[.......]...these "Hypocritical" structures profess something that they do Not do—they clearly appear designed for a certain function which they do Not perform. However, Common Descent provides a scientific explanation for these peculiar structures. Existing species have different structures and perform different functions. If all living organisms descended from a common ancestor, then both functions and structures necessarily have been gained and lost in each lineage during macroevolutionary history. Therefore, from Common Descent and the constraint of gradualism, we predict that many organisms should retain vestigial structures as structural remnants of lost functions. Note that the exact evolutionary mechanism which created a vestigial structure is irrelevant as long as the mechanism is a gradual one.

Confirmation:
There are Many examples of rudimentary and Nonfunctional vestigial characters carried by organisms, and these can very often be explained in terms of evolutionary histories. For example, from independent phylogenetic evidence, snakes are known to be the descendants of four-legged reptiles. Most Pythons (which are legless snakes) carry Vestigial Pelvises hidden beneath their skin.. The Vestigial pelvis in Pythons is Not attached to vertebrae (as is the normal case in most vertebrates), and it simply floats in the abdominal cavity. Some lizards carry rudimentary, Vestigial Legs underneath their skin, undetectable from the outside...
Many cave dwelling animals, such as the fish Astyanax mexicanus (the Mexican tetra) and the salamander species Typhlotriton spelaeus and Proteus anguinus, are blind yet have rudimentary, Vestigial eyes....
[.......]
The ancestors of Humans are known to have been Herbivorous, and molar teeth are required for chewing and grinding plant material. Over 90% of all adult humans develop third molars (otherwise known as Wisdom Teeth).
Usually these teeth never erupt from the gums, and in one Third of all individuals they are Malformed and Impacted...
These Useless teeth can cause significant pain, increased risk for injury, and may result in illness and even death.

Another Vestige of our herbivorous ancestry is the vermiform appendix.
While this intestinal structure may retain a function of some sort, perhaps in the development of the immune system, it is a rudimentary version of the much larger caecum that is essential for digestion of plants in other mammals..."

Yet another human Vestigial structure is the Coccyx, the four fused caudal vertebrae found at the base of the spine, exactly where most mammals and many other primates have external Tails protruding from the back. Humans and other apes are some of the only vertebrates that lack an external tail as an adult.
The coccyx is a developmental Remnant of the embryonic tail that forms in humans and then is degraded and eaten by our immune system ... Our internal tail is Unnecessary for sitting, walking, and elimination (all of which are functions attributed to the coccyx by many anti-evolutionists). The caudal vertebrae of the coccyx can cause extreme and unnecessary chronic pain in some unfortunate people, a condition called coccydynia. The entire coccyx can be surgically removed without any ill effects (besides surgical complications)...
[.......]​
That's funny I can't recall any new organs evolving humans still have the same as we started with apes have evolved into humans. Never heard reports of a new human evolving out of the sea.
 
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The fact is we don't know. And the answer will come when we die. As for some it will be to late as for some it will be a day of rejoicing.

A Few Reasons an Evolutionary Origin of Life Is Impossible | The Institute for Creation Research

The human body with all of its magnificence could not have just evolved.

1. It's true, we don't know for sure.
2. What we do know is that it didn't happen the way the bible says it did.
3. I believe that God is the father of evolution. If you really know the evolutionary process, you will see God in it.
4. The human body is not unlike the body of every other complicated organism/animal. Yes, it did evolve.
5. It's a demonstrable fact the Creation is impossible.
That's what this post is about I know we had a creator
 

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The fact is we don't know. And the answer will come when we die. As for some it will be to late as for some it will be a day of rejoicing.

A Few Reasons an Evolutionary Origin of Life Is Impossible | The Institute for Creation Research

The human body with all of its magnificence could not have just evolved.

1. It's true, we don't know for sure.
2. What we do know is that it didn't happen the way the bible says it did.
3. I believe that God is the father of evolution. If you really know the evolutionary process, you will see God in it.
4. The human body is not unlike the body of every other complicated organism/animal. Yes, it did evolve.
5. It's a demonstrable fact the Creation is impossible.
That's what this post is about I know we had a creator
Who created the creator?
 

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The fact is we don't know. And the answer will come when we die. As for some it will be to late as for some it will be a day of rejoicing.
The fact is .. Apples and Oranges.
Evolution speaks to life AFTER It started/how it progressed.
Life's start is called abiogenesis.
Life may have arisen 'evolutionarily' from non-life. but the Fact of evolution does NOT depend on how life started... Only explains it's progression.

froggy said:
LOL, A conspiracy website.

froggy said:
The human body with all of its magnificence could not have just evolved.
LOFL
It demonstrably has evolved.
Life can traced to a continuum, with many creatures, including us, having anatomical vestiges of our evolutionary ancestors.
An Immaculate 'Creation' event wouldn't leave useless organs/etc.

29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: Part 2
Douglas Theobald, Ph.D.
Prediction 2.1: Anatomical vestiges

Some of the most renowned Evidence for evolution are the various nonfunctional or rudimentary vestigial characters, both anatomical and molecular, that are found throughout biology. A vestige is defined, independently of evolutionary theory, as a reduced and rudimentary structure compared to the same complex structure in other organisms. Vestigial characters, if functional, perform relatively simple, minor, or inessential functions using structures that were clearly designed for other complex purposes. Though many vestigial organs have no function, complete non-functionality is not a requirement for vestigiality...
[.......]
Geoffroy was at a loss for why exactly nature "always leaves vestiges of an organ", yet he could not deny his empirical observations. Ten years later, Jean-Baptiste Lamarck (1744-1829) identified several vestigial structures in his Zoological Philosophy
[.......]...these "Hypocritical" structures profess something that they do Not do—they clearly appear designed for a certain function which they do Not perform. However, Common Descent provides a scientific explanation for these peculiar structures. Existing species have different structures and perform different functions. If all living organisms descended from a common ancestor, then both functions and structures necessarily have been gained and lost in each lineage during macroevolutionary history. Therefore, from Common Descent and the constraint of gradualism, we predict that many organisms should retain vestigial structures as structural remnants of lost functions. Note that the exact evolutionary mechanism which created a vestigial structure is irrelevant as long as the mechanism is a gradual one.

Confirmation:
There are Many examples of rudimentary and Nonfunctional vestigial characters carried by organisms, and these can very often be explained in terms of evolutionary histories. For example, from independent phylogenetic evidence, snakes are known to be the descendants of four-legged reptiles. Most Pythons (which are legless snakes) carry Vestigial Pelvises hidden beneath their skin.. The Vestigial pelvis in Pythons is Not attached to vertebrae (as is the normal case in most vertebrates), and it simply floats in the abdominal cavity. Some lizards carry rudimentary, Vestigial Legs underneath their skin, undetectable from the outside...
Many cave dwelling animals, such as the fish Astyanax mexicanus (the Mexican tetra) and the salamander species Typhlotriton spelaeus and Proteus anguinus, are blind yet have rudimentary, Vestigial eyes....
[.......]
The ancestors of Humans are known to have been Herbivorous, and molar teeth are required for chewing and grinding plant material. Over 90% of all adult humans develop third molars (otherwise known as Wisdom Teeth).
Usually these teeth never erupt from the gums, and in one Third of all individuals they are Malformed and Impacted...
These Useless teeth can cause significant pain, increased risk for injury, and may result in illness and even death.

Another Vestige of our herbivorous ancestry is the vermiform appendix.
While this intestinal structure may retain a function of some sort, perhaps in the development of the immune system, it is a rudimentary version of the much larger caecum that is essential for digestion of plants in other mammals..."

Yet another human Vestigial structure is the Coccyx, the four fused caudal vertebrae found at the base of the spine, exactly where most mammals and many other primates have external Tails protruding from the back. Humans and other apes are some of the only vertebrates that lack an external tail as an adult.
The coccyx is a developmental Remnant of the embryonic tail that forms in humans and then is degraded and eaten by our immune system ... Our internal tail is Unnecessary for sitting, walking, and elimination (all of which are functions attributed to the coccyx by many anti-evolutionists). The caudal vertebrae of the coccyx can cause extreme and unnecessary chronic pain in some unfortunate people, a condition called coccydynia. The entire coccyx can be surgically removed without any ill effects (besides surgical complications)...
[.......]​
That's funny I can't recall any new organs evolving humans still have the same as we started with apes have evolved into humans. Never heard reports of a new human evolving out of the sea.

1. There has to be a niche to fill. Humans already fill that niche.

2. Evolution can take as much as millions of years. How can you expect to see it in your lifetime?
 

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A Few Reasons an Evolutionary Origin of Life Is Impossible | The Institute for Creation Research

The human body with all of its magnificence could not have just evolved.

1. It's true, we don't know for sure.
2. What we do know is that it didn't happen the way the bible says it did.
3. I believe that God is the father of evolution. If you really know the evolutionary process, you will see God in it.
4. The human body is not unlike the body of every other complicated organism/animal. Yes, it did evolve.
5. It's a demonstrable fact the Creation is impossible.
That's what this post is about I know we had a creator

No, you aren't just saying you believe in a creator, you are also saying that evolution didn't happen.
 

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The fact is we don't know. And the answer will come when we die. As for some it will be to late as for some it will be a day of rejoicing.

A Few Reasons an Evolutionary Origin of Life Is Impossible | The Institute for Creation Research

The human body with all of its magnificence could not have just evolved.
Because ancient humans couldn't understand how we got here they assumed something must have put us here as humans. But that makes no sense. Who were these people? Did they already have a language?

We're they babies first?

Evolution is the only explanation that makes sense, unless of course you believe the ancient religions that say God waved his hand and just made it so.

But the problem with that is you haven't even proved God as a legitimate theory. It's just a hypothesis
 

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The fact is we don't know. And the answer will come when we die. As for some it will be to late as for some it will be a day of rejoicing.
The fact is .. Apples and Oranges.
Evolution speaks to life AFTER It started/how it progressed.
Life's start is called abiogenesis.
Life may have arisen 'evolutionarily' from non-life. but the Fact of evolution does NOT depend on how life started... Only explains it's progression.

froggy said:
LOL, A conspiracy website.

froggy said:
The human body with all of its magnificence could not have just evolved.
LOFL
It demonstrably has evolved.
Life can traced to a continuum, with many creatures, including us, having anatomical vestiges of our evolutionary ancestors.
An Immaculate 'Creation' event wouldn't leave useless organs/etc.

29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: Part 2
Douglas Theobald, Ph.D.
Prediction 2.1: Anatomical vestiges

Some of the most renowned Evidence for evolution are the various nonfunctional or rudimentary vestigial characters, both anatomical and molecular, that are found throughout biology. A vestige is defined, independently of evolutionary theory, as a reduced and rudimentary structure compared to the same complex structure in other organisms. Vestigial characters, if functional, perform relatively simple, minor, or inessential functions using structures that were clearly designed for other complex purposes. Though many vestigial organs have no function, complete non-functionality is not a requirement for vestigiality...
[.......]
Geoffroy was at a loss for why exactly nature "always leaves vestiges of an organ", yet he could not deny his empirical observations. Ten years later, Jean-Baptiste Lamarck (1744-1829) identified several vestigial structures in his Zoological Philosophy
[.......]...these "Hypocritical" structures profess something that they do Not do—they clearly appear designed for a certain function which they do Not perform. However, Common Descent provides a scientific explanation for these peculiar structures. Existing species have different structures and perform different functions. If all living organisms descended from a common ancestor, then both functions and structures necessarily have been gained and lost in each lineage during macroevolutionary history. Therefore, from Common Descent and the constraint of gradualism, we predict that many organisms should retain vestigial structures as structural remnants of lost functions. Note that the exact evolutionary mechanism which created a vestigial structure is irrelevant as long as the mechanism is a gradual one.

Confirmation:
There are Many examples of rudimentary and Nonfunctional vestigial characters carried by organisms, and these can very often be explained in terms of evolutionary histories. For example, from independent phylogenetic evidence, snakes are known to be the descendants of four-legged reptiles. Most Pythons (which are legless snakes) carry Vestigial Pelvises hidden beneath their skin.. The Vestigial pelvis in Pythons is Not attached to vertebrae (as is the normal case in most vertebrates), and it simply floats in the abdominal cavity. Some lizards carry rudimentary, Vestigial Legs underneath their skin, undetectable from the outside...
Many cave dwelling animals, such as the fish Astyanax mexicanus (the Mexican tetra) and the salamander species Typhlotriton spelaeus and Proteus anguinus, are blind yet have rudimentary, Vestigial eyes....
[.......]
The ancestors of Humans are known to have been Herbivorous, and molar teeth are required for chewing and grinding plant material. Over 90% of all adult humans develop third molars (otherwise known as Wisdom Teeth).
Usually these teeth never erupt from the gums, and in one Third of all individuals they are Malformed and Impacted...
These Useless teeth can cause significant pain, increased risk for injury, and may result in illness and even death.

Another Vestige of our herbivorous ancestry is the vermiform appendix.
While this intestinal structure may retain a function of some sort, perhaps in the development of the immune system, it is a rudimentary version of the much larger caecum that is essential for digestion of plants in other mammals..."

Yet another human Vestigial structure is the Coccyx, the four fused caudal vertebrae found at the base of the spine, exactly where most mammals and many other primates have external Tails protruding from the back. Humans and other apes are some of the only vertebrates that lack an external tail as an adult.
The coccyx is a developmental Remnant of the embryonic tail that forms in humans and then is degraded and eaten by our immune system ... Our internal tail is Unnecessary for sitting, walking, and elimination (all of which are functions attributed to the coccyx by many anti-evolutionists). The caudal vertebrae of the coccyx can cause extreme and unnecessary chronic pain in some unfortunate people, a condition called coccydynia. The entire coccyx can be surgically removed without any ill effects (besides surgical complications)...
[.......]​
That's funny I can't recall any new organs evolving humans still have the same as we started with apes have evolved into humans. Never heard reports of a new human evolving out of the sea.
Dumb argument. Do you have a couple million years I'll show you.

Your comment exposes your ignorance of how long 1 million years is
 

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The fact is we don't know. And the answer will come when we die. As for some it will be to late as for some it will be a day of rejoicing.

A Few Reasons an Evolutionary Origin of Life Is Impossible | The Institute for Creation Research

The human body with all of its magnificence could not have just evolved.

1. It's true, we don't know for sure.
2. What we do know is that it didn't happen the way the bible says it did.
3. I believe that God is the father of evolution. If you really know the evolutionary process, you will see God in it.
4. The human body is not unlike the body of every other complicated organism/animal. Yes, it did evolve.
5. It's a demonstrable fact the Creation is impossible.
That's what this post is about I know we had a creator

No, you aren't just saying you believe in a creator, you are also saying that evolution didn't happen.
It is true evolution doesn't disprove a creator, just every organized religion.

But I suspect this isn't the smoking gun either. Catholics now embrace science. In a way religions are like political parties. They change with the people. Religions used to rule towns. If you didn't attend you were looked down on. Today they have to soften their message
 

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The fact is we don't know. And the answer will come when we die. As for some it will be to late as for some it will be a day of rejoicing.
The fact is .. Apples and Oranges.
Evolution speaks to life AFTER It started/how it progressed.
Life's start is called abiogenesis.
Life may have arisen 'evolutionarily' from non-life. but the Fact of evolution does NOT depend on how life started... Only explains it's progression.

froggy said:
LOL, A conspiracy website.

froggy said:
The human body with all of its magnificence could not have just evolved.
LOFL
It demonstrably has evolved.
Life can traced to a continuum, with many creatures, including us, having anatomical vestiges of our evolutionary ancestors.
An Immaculate 'Creation' event wouldn't leave useless organs/etc.

29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: Part 2
Douglas Theobald, Ph.D.
Prediction 2.1: Anatomical vestiges

Some of the most renowned Evidence for evolution are the various nonfunctional or rudimentary vestigial characters, both anatomical and molecular, that are found throughout biology. A vestige is defined, independently of evolutionary theory, as a reduced and rudimentary structure compared to the same complex structure in other organisms. Vestigial characters, if functional, perform relatively simple, minor, or inessential functions using structures that were clearly designed for other complex purposes. Though many vestigial organs have no function, complete non-functionality is not a requirement for vestigiality...
[.......]
Geoffroy was at a loss for why exactly nature "always leaves vestiges of an organ", yet he could not deny his empirical observations. Ten years later, Jean-Baptiste Lamarck (1744-1829) identified several vestigial structures in his Zoological Philosophy
[.......]...these "Hypocritical" structures profess something that they do Not do—they clearly appear designed for a certain function which they do Not perform. However, Common Descent provides a scientific explanation for these peculiar structures. Existing species have different structures and perform different functions. If all living organisms descended from a common ancestor, then both functions and structures necessarily have been gained and lost in each lineage during macroevolutionary history. Therefore, from Common Descent and the constraint of gradualism, we predict that many organisms should retain vestigial structures as structural remnants of lost functions. Note that the exact evolutionary mechanism which created a vestigial structure is irrelevant as long as the mechanism is a gradual one.

Confirmation:
There are Many examples of rudimentary and Nonfunctional vestigial characters carried by organisms, and these can very often be explained in terms of evolutionary histories. For example, from independent phylogenetic evidence, snakes are known to be the descendants of four-legged reptiles. Most Pythons (which are legless snakes) carry Vestigial Pelvises hidden beneath their skin.. The Vestigial pelvis in Pythons is Not attached to vertebrae (as is the normal case in most vertebrates), and it simply floats in the abdominal cavity. Some lizards carry rudimentary, Vestigial Legs underneath their skin, undetectable from the outside...
Many cave dwelling animals, such as the fish Astyanax mexicanus (the Mexican tetra) and the salamander species Typhlotriton spelaeus and Proteus anguinus, are blind yet have rudimentary, Vestigial eyes....
[.......]
The ancestors of Humans are known to have been Herbivorous, and molar teeth are required for chewing and grinding plant material. Over 90% of all adult humans develop third molars (otherwise known as Wisdom Teeth).
Usually these teeth never erupt from the gums, and in one Third of all individuals they are Malformed and Impacted...
These Useless teeth can cause significant pain, increased risk for injury, and may result in illness and even death.

Another Vestige of our herbivorous ancestry is the vermiform appendix.
While this intestinal structure may retain a function of some sort, perhaps in the development of the immune system, it is a rudimentary version of the much larger caecum that is essential for digestion of plants in other mammals..."

Yet another human Vestigial structure is the Coccyx, the four fused caudal vertebrae found at the base of the spine, exactly where most mammals and many other primates have external Tails protruding from the back. Humans and other apes are some of the only vertebrates that lack an external tail as an adult.
The coccyx is a developmental Remnant of the embryonic tail that forms in humans and then is degraded and eaten by our immune system ... Our internal tail is Unnecessary for sitting, walking, and elimination (all of which are functions attributed to the coccyx by many anti-evolutionists). The caudal vertebrae of the coccyx can cause extreme and unnecessary chronic pain in some unfortunate people, a condition called coccydynia. The entire coccyx can be surgically removed without any ill effects (besides surgical complications)...
[.......]​
That's funny I can't recall any new organs evolving humans still have the same as we started with apes have evolved into humans. Never heard reports of a new human evolving out of the sea.
Dumb argument. Do you have a couple million years I'll show you.

Your comment exposes your ignorance of how long 1 million years is
It also shows froggy's willful ignorance.
There are intermediate species for every species, including US. Many Failed/extinct or adapted PROTO-human and previous other Hominids, Primates, etc.
the short list pre-us.

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Who are those guys?
They aren't Monkeys/Apes.
Are they "God's Failures"?
:^)

and Life has been evolving for 1.5-3.5 BILLION years.
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The fact is we don't know. And the answer will come when we die. As for some it will be to late as for some it will be a day of rejoicing.
The fact is .. Apples and Oranges.
Evolution speaks to life AFTER It started/how it progressed.
Life's start is called abiogenesis.
Life may have arisen 'evolutionarily' from non-life. but the Fact of evolution does NOT depend on how life started... Only explains it's progression.

froggy said:
LOL, A conspiracy website.

froggy said:
The human body with all of its magnificence could not have just evolved.
LOFL
It demonstrably has evolved.
Life can traced to a continuum, with many creatures, including us, having anatomical vestiges of our evolutionary ancestors.
An Immaculate 'Creation' event wouldn't leave useless organs/etc.

29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: Part 2
Douglas Theobald, Ph.D.
Prediction 2.1: Anatomical vestiges

Some of the most renowned Evidence for evolution are the various nonfunctional or rudimentary vestigial characters, both anatomical and molecular, that are found throughout biology. A vestige is defined, independently of evolutionary theory, as a reduced and rudimentary structure compared to the same complex structure in other organisms. Vestigial characters, if functional, perform relatively simple, minor, or inessential functions using structures that were clearly designed for other complex purposes. Though many vestigial organs have no function, complete non-functionality is not a requirement for vestigiality...
[.......]
Geoffroy was at a loss for why exactly nature "always leaves vestiges of an organ", yet he could not deny his empirical observations. Ten years later, Jean-Baptiste Lamarck (1744-1829) identified several vestigial structures in his Zoological Philosophy
[.......]...these "Hypocritical" structures profess something that they do Not do—they clearly appear designed for a certain function which they do Not perform. However, Common Descent provides a scientific explanation for these peculiar structures. Existing species have different structures and perform different functions. If all living organisms descended from a common ancestor, then both functions and structures necessarily have been gained and lost in each lineage during macroevolutionary history. Therefore, from Common Descent and the constraint of gradualism, we predict that many organisms should retain vestigial structures as structural remnants of lost functions. Note that the exact evolutionary mechanism which created a vestigial structure is irrelevant as long as the mechanism is a gradual one.

Confirmation:
There are Many examples of rudimentary and Nonfunctional vestigial characters carried by organisms, and these can very often be explained in terms of evolutionary histories. For example, from independent phylogenetic evidence, snakes are known to be the descendants of four-legged reptiles. Most Pythons (which are legless snakes) carry Vestigial Pelvises hidden beneath their skin.. The Vestigial pelvis in Pythons is Not attached to vertebrae (as is the normal case in most vertebrates), and it simply floats in the abdominal cavity. Some lizards carry rudimentary, Vestigial Legs underneath their skin, undetectable from the outside...
Many cave dwelling animals, such as the fish Astyanax mexicanus (the Mexican tetra) and the salamander species Typhlotriton spelaeus and Proteus anguinus, are blind yet have rudimentary, Vestigial eyes....
[.......]
The ancestors of Humans are known to have been Herbivorous, and molar teeth are required for chewing and grinding plant material. Over 90% of all adult humans develop third molars (otherwise known as Wisdom Teeth).
Usually these teeth never erupt from the gums, and in one Third of all individuals they are Malformed and Impacted...
These Useless teeth can cause significant pain, increased risk for injury, and may result in illness and even death.

Another Vestige of our herbivorous ancestry is the vermiform appendix.
While this intestinal structure may retain a function of some sort, perhaps in the development of the immune system, it is a rudimentary version of the much larger caecum that is essential for digestion of plants in other mammals..."

Yet another human Vestigial structure is the Coccyx, the four fused caudal vertebrae found at the base of the spine, exactly where most mammals and many other primates have external Tails protruding from the back. Humans and other apes are some of the only vertebrates that lack an external tail as an adult.
The coccyx is a developmental Remnant of the embryonic tail that forms in humans and then is degraded and eaten by our immune system ... Our internal tail is Unnecessary for sitting, walking, and elimination (all of which are functions attributed to the coccyx by many anti-evolutionists). The caudal vertebrae of the coccyx can cause extreme and unnecessary chronic pain in some unfortunate people, a condition called coccydynia. The entire coccyx can be surgically removed without any ill effects (besides surgical complications)...
[.......]​
That's funny I can't recall any new organs evolving humans still have the same as we started with apes have evolved into humans. Never heard reports of a new human evolving out of the sea.
Dumb argument. Do you have a couple million years I'll show you.

Your comment exposes your ignorance of how long 1 million years is
To a creator that had been forever what would a million years be. Nothing
 

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The fact is we don't know. And the answer will come when we die. As for some it will be to late as for some it will be a day of rejoicing.

A Few Reasons an Evolutionary Origin of Life Is Impossible | The Institute for Creation Research

The human body with all of its magnificence could not have just evolved.

1. Argument from ignorance fallacy.

2. Speculation.

3. Argument from complexity fallacy.

Rethink your arguments and examine each argument critically. Then reevaluate your position. God gave humans the ability to reason. Use it.
 

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The fact is we don't know. And the answer will come when we die. As for some it will be to late as for some it will be a day of rejoicing.
The fact is .. Apples and Oranges.
Evolution speaks to life AFTER It started/how it progressed.
Life's start is called abiogenesis.
Life may have arisen 'evolutionarily' from non-life. but the Fact of evolution does NOT depend on how life started... Only explains it's progression.

froggy said:
LOL, A conspiracy website.

froggy said:
The human body with all of its magnificence could not have just evolved.
LOFL
It demonstrably has evolved.
Life can traced to a continuum, with many creatures, including us, having anatomical vestiges of our evolutionary ancestors.
An Immaculate 'Creation' event wouldn't leave useless organs/etc.

29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: Part 2
Douglas Theobald, Ph.D.
Prediction 2.1: Anatomical vestiges

Some of the most renowned Evidence for evolution are the various nonfunctional or rudimentary vestigial characters, both anatomical and molecular, that are found throughout biology. A vestige is defined, independently of evolutionary theory, as a reduced and rudimentary structure compared to the same complex structure in other organisms. Vestigial characters, if functional, perform relatively simple, minor, or inessential functions using structures that were clearly designed for other complex purposes. Though many vestigial organs have no function, complete non-functionality is not a requirement for vestigiality...
[.......]
Geoffroy was at a loss for why exactly nature "always leaves vestiges of an organ", yet he could not deny his empirical observations. Ten years later, Jean-Baptiste Lamarck (1744-1829) identified several vestigial structures in his Zoological Philosophy
[.......]...these "Hypocritical" structures profess something that they do Not do—they clearly appear designed for a certain function which they do Not perform. However, Common Descent provides a scientific explanation for these peculiar structures. Existing species have different structures and perform different functions. If all living organisms descended from a common ancestor, then both functions and structures necessarily have been gained and lost in each lineage during macroevolutionary history. Therefore, from Common Descent and the constraint of gradualism, we predict that many organisms should retain vestigial structures as structural remnants of lost functions. Note that the exact evolutionary mechanism which created a vestigial structure is irrelevant as long as the mechanism is a gradual one.

Confirmation:
There are Many examples of rudimentary and Nonfunctional vestigial characters carried by organisms, and these can very often be explained in terms of evolutionary histories. For example, from independent phylogenetic evidence, snakes are known to be the descendants of four-legged reptiles. Most Pythons (which are legless snakes) carry Vestigial Pelvises hidden beneath their skin.. The Vestigial pelvis in Pythons is Not attached to vertebrae (as is the normal case in most vertebrates), and it simply floats in the abdominal cavity. Some lizards carry rudimentary, Vestigial Legs underneath their skin, undetectable from the outside...
Many cave dwelling animals, such as the fish Astyanax mexicanus (the Mexican tetra) and the salamander species Typhlotriton spelaeus and Proteus anguinus, are blind yet have rudimentary, Vestigial eyes....
[.......]
The ancestors of Humans are known to have been Herbivorous, and molar teeth are required for chewing and grinding plant material. Over 90% of all adult humans develop third molars (otherwise known as Wisdom Teeth).
Usually these teeth never erupt from the gums, and in one Third of all individuals they are Malformed and Impacted...
These Useless teeth can cause significant pain, increased risk for injury, and may result in illness and even death.

Another Vestige of our herbivorous ancestry is the vermiform appendix.
While this intestinal structure may retain a function of some sort, perhaps in the development of the immune system, it is a rudimentary version of the much larger caecum that is essential for digestion of plants in other mammals..."

Yet another human Vestigial structure is the Coccyx, the four fused caudal vertebrae found at the base of the spine, exactly where most mammals and many other primates have external Tails protruding from the back. Humans and other apes are some of the only vertebrates that lack an external tail as an adult.
The coccyx is a developmental Remnant of the embryonic tail that forms in humans and then is degraded and eaten by our immune system ... Our internal tail is Unnecessary for sitting, walking, and elimination (all of which are functions attributed to the coccyx by many anti-evolutionists). The caudal vertebrae of the coccyx can cause extreme and unnecessary chronic pain in some unfortunate people, a condition called coccydynia. The entire coccyx can be surgically removed without any ill effects (besides surgical complications)...
[.......]​
That's funny I can't recall any new organs evolving humans still have the same as we started with apes have evolved into humans. Never heard reports of a new human evolving out of the sea.
Dumb argument. Do you have a couple million years I'll show you.

Your comment exposes your ignorance of how long 1 million years is
To a creator that had been forever what would a million years be. Nothing
Also consider if we are central to gods reason for creating the universe why did it take 13 billion years to invent us? And what were the dinosaurs before us all about? Or the trilobites that ruled millions of years before the dinosaurs?
 

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The fact is we don't know. And the answer will come when we die. As for some it will be to late as for some it will be a day of rejoicing.

A Few Reasons an Evolutionary Origin of Life Is Impossible | The Institute for Creation Research

The human body with all of its magnificence could not have just evolved.

1. Argument from ignorance fallacy.

2. Speculation.

3. Argument from complexity fallacy.

Rethink your arguments and examine each argument critically. Then reevaluate your position. God gave humans the ability to reason. Use it.
I think if a God cared at all, which if he exists he clearly does not, but if I would think it would reward intelligence
 

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