Cracks begin to appear in the fear mongering

[jc456]

The death rate is a red herring. Even if the death rate is a lot lower than thought this virus is extremely contagious and it is killing people a lot of people each day.

Reports are between .1 & .3% mortality.

You don't destroy an entire generation economically for that.

we don’t know the mortality rate because the vast majority of the country hasn’t been tested. As it stands the case mortality rate is 5%. No one wants to destroy the economy, but right now the only choice is to sacrifice to save lives. 2000 people are dying each day and that’s with extreme measures taken. How many people are you willing to sacrifice a day to get this economy running again?

People are losing their healthcare everyday by being laid off. How many people are you
willing to sacrifice?

I myself am suffering from this economy,many are worse off than I am. The economy won’t come back to normal just because we want it to. The economy is going to suffer no matter what. We’re going to have to make sacrifices. My opinion is the virus as a humanitarian issue should take priority as of this moment. This shutdown will not last forever, but we really have no choice but to be patient.

that's why the shut down was worse than the virus. only honest people will agree.

Then why does trump have daily briefings on it and recommend all this social distancing?

You all asked his experts

Well it’s trump policy.

Naw, you all cried for experts

 

[Fueri]

There are 2 types of fatality rates. Case fatality rates and infection fatality rates.

Anyone that has antibodies specific to this disease has been infected, whether they are asymptomatic or not. Claiming otherwise is simply incorrect. Most cases have been mild and have gone undiagnosed, eg, they have not formally been confirmed via testing to become 'cases' and are therefore not part of the case fatality rate, which are the numbers we are primarily seeing right now.

The infection mortality rate, which is the actual number of deaths divided by actual numbers of infections is at this point unknown. What is generally accepted is that is much lower than the case fatality rate, which are the numbers we are seeing. That is true for a number of reasons, from the asymptomatic nature of a large percentage of cases to testing percentages from state to state or country to country.

Infection Fatality Rate €“ A Critical Missing Piece for Managing Covid-19 | Virology Blog

by Rich Condit Rich Condit is a virologist and emeritus Professor, University of Florida, Gainesville and a host on This Week in Virology. Modeling done by ...

www.virology.ws

"CFR is the ratio of the number of deaths divided by the number of confirmed (preferably by nucleic acid testing) cases of disease. IFR is the ratio of deaths divided by the number of actual infections with SARS-CoV-2. Because nucleic acid testing is limited and currently available primarily to people with significant indications of and risk factors for covid-19 disease, and because a large number of infections with SARS-CoV-2 result in mild or even asymptomatic disease, the IFR is likely to be significantly lower than the CFR. The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine (CEBM) at the University of Oxford currently estimates the CFR globally at 0.51%, with all the caveats pertaining thereto. CEBM estimates the IFR at 0.1% to 0.26%, with even more caveats pertaining thereto."

 

[bodecea]

The death rate is a red herring. Even if the death rate is a lot lower than thought this virus is extremely contagious and it is killing people a lot of people each day.

Reports are between .1 & .3% mortality.

You don't destroy an entire generation economically for that.

we don’t know the mortality rate because the vast majority of the country hasn’t been tested. As it stands the case mortality rate is 5%. No one wants to destroy the economy, but right now the only choice is to sacrifice to save lives. 2000 people are dying each day and that’s with extreme measures taken. How many people are you willing to sacrifice a day to get this economy running again?

People are losing their healthcare everyday by being laid off. How many people are you
willing to sacrifice?

Gee, the economy wasn't all that great in the first place, was it?

Unemployment was at historic lows....wasn't it?

Unemployment.....with so many one paycheck away from homelessness. Sure. Go with that.

 

[bodecea]

Probably trying to influence Trump so they can put more blame on him later if a lot of people get sick.

Right....just like the whole virus thing is a Democrat plot to make diaper donnie look bad....which wasn't that hard to do.

No, the events playing out on the people are what is being done to get rid of Trump, by causing as much hardship and loss as possible. You vile inhuman scum are that evil.

Why not go all in and blame the Left for the virus. You know you want to.

 

[bodecea]

The death rate is a red herring. Even if the death rate is a lot lower than thought this virus is extremely contagious and it is killing people a lot of people each day.

Reports are between .1 & .3% mortality.

You don't destroy an entire generation economically for that.

we don’t know the mortality rate because the vast majority of the country hasn’t been tested. As it stands the case mortality rate is 5%. No one wants to destroy the economy, but right now the only choice is to sacrifice to save lives. 2000 people are dying each day and that’s with extreme measures taken. How many people are you willing to sacrifice a day to get this economy running again?

People are losing their healthcare everyday by being laid off. How many people are you
willing to sacrifice?

Gee, the economy wasn't all that great in the first place, was it?

Unemployment was at historic lows....wasn't it?

Deficits at historic highs and couldn’t hit 3% growth...

Thanks to you vermin.

Haha.. thanks to trump shitty economic policy.

How is the CHINESE VIRUS TRUMPS FAULT?

Show us someone....anyone...who has claimed that corona virus is diaper donnie's fault.

 

[Meister]

The death rate is a red herring. Even if the death rate is a lot lower than thought this virus is extremely contagious and it is killing people a lot of people each day.

Reports are between .1 & .3% mortality.

You don't destroy an entire generation economically for that.

we don’t know the mortality rate because the vast majority of the country hasn’t been tested. As it stands the case mortality rate is 5%. No one wants to destroy the economy, but right now the only choice is to sacrifice to save lives. 2000 people are dying each day and that’s with extreme measures taken. How many people are you willing to sacrifice a day to get this economy running again?

People are losing their healthcare everyday by being laid off. How many people are you
willing to sacrifice?

Gee, the economy wasn't all that great in the first place, was it?

Unemployment was at historic lows....wasn't it?

Unemployment.....with so many one paycheck away from homelessness. Sure. Go with that.

I guess unemployment at 20% is much better for you, and your agenda, huh?

 

[WEATHER53]

The death rate is a red herring. Even if the death rate is a lot lower than thought this virus is extremely contagious and it is killing people a lot of people each day.

Reports are between .1 & .3% mortality.

You don't destroy an entire generation economically for that.

we don’t know the mortality rate because the vast majority of the country hasn’t been tested. As it stands the case mortality rate is 5%. No one wants to destroy the economy, but right now the only choice is to sacrifice to save lives. 2000 people are dying each day and that’s with extreme measures taken. How many people are you willing to sacrifice a day to get this economy running again?

People are losing their healthcare everyday by being laid off. How many people are you
willing to sacrifice?

Gee, the economy wasn't all that great in the first place, was it?

Unemployment was at historic lows....wasn't it?

Deficits at historic highs and couldn’t hit 3% growth...

Thanks to you vermin.

Haha.. thanks to trump shitty economic policy.

How is the CHINESE VIRUS TRUMPS FAULT?

Show us someone....anyone...who has claimed that corona virus is diaper donnie's fault.

Show us any libbie who hasn’t

 

[esalla]

New study out of CALIFORNIA, of all places, shows virus isn't near as deadly as foretold.

Los Angeles study suggests virus much more widespread %251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fabcnews.go.com%2FHealth%2FwireStory%2Flos-angeles-study-suggests-virus-widespread-70255010

The reason that the virus is not as dangerous in Cali is that the people there have immunity and the govt knows this which is why they will not test the people who already have antibodies and are not sick

Actually the government told us that the mortality rate was probably much less than 1%.

Even Germany, which has done exceptionally well keeping the mortality down, is at 5%. Even if every one of its active cases recovered without dying it would be 3 1/3%. The OP is using some fuzzy math here. Apparently he wants to count people exposed but asymptomatic, meaning he wants to count as "survivors" people who never had a chance of dying in the first place.

If you've developed antibodies specific to the virus, that means you have not only been exposed to the virus, you've also been infected with the virus.

That's why serology immunoglobulin test results are used in epidemiological studies to determine the spread of a pathogen in the first place.

And until they test not sick people we will never know how harmless this virus is to most people

 

[buttercup]

As it stands the case mortality rate is 5%

That is not the mortality rate. That number is only being reported because no one has been tested. Once tests are widespread that number WILL drop BELOW 1%
More people being tested will not cause more deaths.

Don't trust the tests. None of this can be trusted. Numerous doctors have stated that the tests are not reliable and have produced false positives.

 

[candycorn]

New study out of CALIFORNIA, of all places, shows virus isn't near as deadly as foretold.

Los Angeles study suggests virus much more widespread %251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fabcnews.go.com%2FHealth%2FwireStory%2Flos-angeles-study-suggests-virus-widespread-70255010

How do you conclude "not as deadly as foretold" --- whatever that means --- from this?
The postulation is that many people were infected and developed antibodies. People who have not been exposed, DO NOT have antibodies.

OP didn't think this one through. Or as we usually call it, "Tuesday".

He’s just recovering from his weekend bender.

his blob called it a national emergency. Was he one of the fear mongers?

Fuckface won’t dare answer

 

[candycorn]

OMG

That's what we call "herd immunity."

wow

 

[Imnukingfutz]

New study out of CALIFORNIA, of all places, shows virus isn't near as deadly as foretold.

Los Angeles study suggests virus much more widespread %251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fabcnews.go.com%2FHealth%2FwireStory%2Flos-angeles-study-suggests-virus-widespread-70255010

How do you conclude "not as deadly as foretold" --- whatever that means --- from this?
The postulation is that many people were infected and developed antibodies. People who have not been exposed, DO NOT have antibodies.

OP didn't think this one through. Or as we usually call it, "Tuesday".

I think you are misunderstanding what this study and the one done at USC (whose own study had the same results) show that the virus is more wide spread than initially believed...

They are calculating the deadliness of this virus based on the % of deaths vs. those effected. Both studies show that the antibodies are in 25X more people than expected, so 25X more people have had the virus than believed to be so far...

Now, using what the numbers are now, I believe the death total of this virus is something like 2%. So if the 2 studies research hold to be true, that death % becomes 25X less.

Thats good news for everyone.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

On MSNBC’s All In, Angelo Carusone describes how Fox News laid the groundwork for anti-mitigation effort protests

On MSNBC’s All In, Angelo Carusone describes how Fox News laid the groundwork for anti-mitigation effort protests

www.mediamatters.org

I dare any Trumpette to watch the video.

MSNBC, ummm, ok, yeah.

 

[Pogo]

New study out of CALIFORNIA, of all places, shows virus isn't near as deadly as foretold.

Los Angeles study suggests virus much more widespread %251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fabcnews.go.com%2FHealth%2FwireStory%2Flos-angeles-study-suggests-virus-widespread-70255010

The reason that the virus is not as dangerous in Cali is that the people there have immunity and the govt knows this which is why they will not test the people who already have antibodies and are not sick

Actually the government told us that the mortality rate was probably much less than 1%.

Even Germany, which has done exceptionally well keeping the mortality down, is at 5%. Even if every one of its active cases recovered without dying it would be 3 1/3%. The OP is using some fuzzy math here. Apparently he wants to count people exposed but asymptomatic, meaning he wants to count as "survivors" people who never had a chance of dying in the first place.

If you've developed antibodies specific to the virus, that means you have not only been exposed to the virus, you've also been infected with the virus.

That's why serology immunoglobulin test results are used in epidemiological studies to determine the spread of a pathogen in the first place.

And until they test not sick people we will never know how harmless this virus is to most people

That's not the point. You don't test not-sick people to find out how many are not sick; you test not-sick people to identify the silent carriers and quarantine them. That's how the other not-sick people stay not-sick.

 

[petro]

Show us someone....anyone...who has claimed that corona virus is diaper donnie's fault

Every thread and talking head that uses Trump Virus as the description you pathetic one liner troll.

Opinion | Let’s Call It Trumpvirus (Published 2020)

If you’re feeling awful, you know who to blame.

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[Aletheia4u]

 

[Muhammed]

New study out of CALIFORNIA, of all places, shows virus isn't near as deadly as foretold.

Los Angeles study suggests virus much more widespread %251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fabcnews.go.com%2FHealth%2FwireStory%2Flos-angeles-study-suggests-virus-widespread-70255010

The reason that the virus is not as dangerous in Cali is that the people there have immunity and the govt knows this which is why they will not test the people who already have antibodies and are not sick

Actually the government told us that the mortality rate was probably much less than 1%.

Even Germany, which has done exceptionally well keeping the mortality down, is at 5%. Even if every one of its active cases recovered without dying it would be 3 1/3%. The OP is using some fuzzy math here. Apparently he wants to count people exposed but asymptomatic, meaning he wants to count as "survivors" people who never had a chance of dying in the first place.

If you've developed antibodies specific to the virus, that means you have not only been exposed to the virus, you've also been infected with the virus.

That's why serology immunoglobulin test results are used in epidemiological studies to determine the spread of a pathogen in the first place.

And until they test not sick people we will never know how harmless this virus is to most people

That's not the point. You don't test not-sick people to find out how many are not sick; you test not-sick people to identify the silent carriers and quarantine them. That's how the other not-sick people stay not-sick.

That's not the purpose of the serological antibody tests in the first place. It's not designed for that. You could be infected, asymptomatic and shedding virus for several days before your adaptive immune system produces enough antigen specific antibodies to be detected by the test.

With the serological test, you could test negative even though you are actively infected and test positive even though you are not actively infected. They are using an RtPCR test to determine who is actively infected and capable of infecting others.

Dr. Been explains the difference between the tests in detail in this lecture.