Courts Squash Democrats’ ‘Most Secure Election’ Lie:

[scruffy]

If things like chain of custody are needed to secure the integrity of the mail-in ballots. Why don't they require chain of custody to secure the integrity of MONEY?

They do. That's the whole reason Blockchain exists

 

[meaner gene]

See, this is what hyperpartisanism will get you. THIS. ^^^

No, Blind one, it's not unfounded, it's not even an accusation.

You see, lemmings in their ignorance perceive this as a partisan issue. Because they're frightened little snowflakes. "Oh no, another stolen election accusation".

But no, it's not an accusation. And it has nothing to do with stolen elections. (Or at least I hope it doesn't).

Among other things, I have a background in "corporate" security, and in that world, there are standards and tests to measure "how" secure an operation is. There are standardized and measurable "levels" of security.

Our elections, are Level 0. They don't even meet the MOST basic security requirements.

I'll tell you a story. One of my clients was a big ("big") medical provider (the second biggest one in the country, next to the VA), and they needed help with security. When I got there they didn't even know what a virus was, I had to run around from one desk to another with a floppy disk remediating PC's. Their security problem was not so much hackers, but rather the paparazzi - both physical and cyber - for instance when Lindsay Lohan goes to rehab these guys want her medical records. The PROBLEM is, this is a huge operation, at the time they had like 50 hospitals and 5000 clinics and 4000 engineers in the field at any given time, and these guys would go jack into other peoples' networks and come back and plug in at home .. y'know... So we set them up, when I left there they had managed intrusion detection worldwide, and the guy at HQ could just look at a screen and see the entire network and it's status, and zoom in and localize any given machine and etc

This is security, it's what corporate security looks like, it's driven by need. Do you see or hear anything like this being discussed about election security? By either Democrats or Republicans? Are there Congressional hearings about it?

As long as our elections aren't secure, any old con man like the Donald or worse yet any commie or Mussolini or Hitler, can exploit the vulnerability because the vulnerability remains

Actually none of the security issues you mentioned apply to election machines, since every machine is certified, and not on an external network. They only use on demand internet connections (not full time), and then only to upload voting data to speed statewide tabulation. The official vote tabulation is done hours (or days later) by physical transportation of the voting records to where the tabulations are accumulated.

 

[busybee01]

Swing States Didn’t Follow Their Own Laws In 2020​

We hear the courts decided against Trump all the time. If you take the court at its word on Trump then the courts should be heeded here also. This proves the election in the swing states had 0 integrity. This is not a conspiracy. I suppose it is something the criminals could challenge, Where are they? It must be true,

Courts Rule States Did Not Follow Their Own Election Laws In 2020

Pennsylvania and Wisconsin violated their own laws in 2020, emphasizing the necessity of the rule of law in elections.

thefederalist.com

A bunch of federalist nonsense. Wisconsin is dominated by Republicans. 2020 was a secure electio0n.

 

[meaner gene]

They do. That's the whole reason Blockchain exists

There is no chain of custody when it comes to money (as in dollar bills) The bill like the mail-in ballot is it's own certification of authenticity, independent of how it got there.

 

[busybee01]

Pennsylvanians should think twice before passing a constitutional amendment for universal vote by mail. The vote-by-mail system was a complete failure in 2020. According to federal data, the commonwealth lost track of more ballots than the difference in votes between Trump and Biden.

Also in 2020, Pennsylvania set a record for the highest number of rejected mail ballots by election officials. Mail balloting leads to disenfranchisement because errors are not able to be fixed in person like they are at the polls.

Same source as OP.

More nonsense.

 

[busybee01]

No, just a confirmation that the election was anything but secure and had 0 integrity.

The election had 100% integrity. You are the one who has no integrity.

 

[Lastamender]

A bunch of federalist nonsense. Wisconsin is dominated by Republicans. 2020 was a secure electio0n.

The governor is a Democrat.

 

[busybee01]

Tell us something we do not know. And the election commission is not the legislature. That in itself broke the law. Stupid.

The legislature did not ban the practice. If they disagreed with the decision of the election commission then they could have passed legislation banning it.

 

[busybee01]

The governor is a Democrat.

The Supreme Court is Republican and highly partisan.

 

[Lastamender]

The election had 100% integrity. You are the one who has no integrity.

 

[busybee01]

And they did not have the authority to do so doesnt matter how many voted for it.

Untrue. There was no law banning it. If it is not banned then it can be utilized.

 

[meaner gene]

According to federal data, the commonwealth lost track of more ballots than the difference in votes between Trump and Biden.

And the ballots returned through the post office, with absolutely no tracking, collection and delivery records, or chain of custody, were far greater than the difference in votes between Trump and Biden.

Yet they were perfectly valid. At least the one's the post office didn't lose or destroy in the process.

We have no idea how many ballots the post office lost. Which explains why people preferred the election drop boxes.

 

[busybee01]

 

[meaner gene]

The legislature did not ban the practice. If they disagreed with the decision of the election commission then they could have passed legislation banning it.

Many legislatures through their election laws delegate a lot of the responsibility for the manner of the election to subordinate bodies. I pointed out the law in Georgia, where the legislature delegated choosing the place of election to the local county executives.

There are even instances where the legislature gave the power to enact election law, without realizing it.

Under Pennsylvania's Emergency Management Services Code, the Governor is empowered to declare states of emergency and exercise broad authority, including issuing executive orders with the force of law.

Maybe they missed that last part about the Governors emergency powers, giving him legislative powers. And as such, the governor became part of that states legislature for the purpose of enacting voting laws.

 

[meaner gene]

Untrue. There was no law banning it. If it is not banned then it can be utilized.

I've read the election laws, like those in Florida in 2000, and found a pattern of state legislatures not wanting to micro-manage elections. They set the general guidelines, and leave it to subordinate bodies, like the secretary of state, and the local election boards, to actually figure out procedures, policies and practices.

Such as Florida in 2000, never defined a "legal" vote (as in hanging chad). And delegated to the states courts the power to settle all election disputes, including the definition of a legal vote.

 

[Foolardi]

There was no evidence of fraud. You’re asking a technical violation be treated as criminal, which courts have considered overreach.

Yowser Bowser ...Bucky Bubba.I guess that explains this
January Select Insurrection Hearing Investigation where NO
Firearms were used except by a Capitol cop who shot dead w/o
as much as a warning an Unarmed Female vet in the neck.
Then this Bucky rogue Capitol Cop was awarded protection mode.
Whereas in the summer of 2020 there were dozens killed,including
cops where Malatov cocktails were thrown.Innocent pedestrians
beaten and Billions in property damage inflicted.Including
Burnings of Federal bldgs.Cop cruisers and mayhem night after night.
Over 500 examples of protests,riots and cops losing their life and
this Corrupt Democrat party ignores.Except when it comes to bailing
out sheer instigators like BLM and Antifa.
Cry us a storm you belligerent Retard.

 

[meaner gene]

Yowser Bowser ...Bucky Bubba.I guess that explains this
January Select Insurrection Hearing Investigation where NO
Firearms were used except by a Capitol cop who shot dead w/o
as much as a warning an Unarmed Female vet in the neck.
Then this Bucky rogue Capitol Cop was awarded protection mode.
Whereas in the summer of 2020 there were dozens killed,including
cops where Malatov cocktails were thrown.Innocent pedestrians
beaten and Billions in property damage inflicted.Including
Burnings of Federal bldgs.Cop cruisers and mayhem night after night.
Over 500 examples of protests,riots and cops losing their life and
this Corrupt Democrat party ignores.Except when it comes to bailing
out sheer instigators like BLM and Antifa.
Cry us a storm you belligerent Retard.

So many errors in that post. Too many to count.
But according to court records, people at the Capitol were arrested with loaded firearms, and plead guilty to bringing firearms to the insurrection.

 

[scruffy]

There is no chain of custody when it comes to money (as in dollar bills) The bill like the mail-in ballot is it's own certification of authenticity, independent of how it got there.

Well, there you go. You just proved my point.

 

[woodwork201]

Not true, the bipartisan changes made drop boxes available to all voters.



One unusual feature of the Elections Clause is that it does not confer the power to regulate congressional elections on states as a whole, but rather the “Legislature” of each state. The Supreme Court has construed the term “Legislature” extremely broadly to include any entity or procedure that a state’s constitution permits to exercise lawmaking power. Thus, laws regulating congressional elections may be enacted not only by a state’s actual legislature, but also directly by a state’s voters through the initiative process or public referendum, in states that allow such procedures.

The Court also has held that a legislature may delegate its authority under the Elections Clause to other entities or officials. A few states have chosen to transfer power to draw congressional district lines from their respective legislatures to non-partisan or bipartisan “independent redistricting commissions.”

Interpretation: Elections Clause | Constitution Center

Interpretations of Elections Clause by constitutional scholars

constitutioncenter.org

Wow. That's the biggest bunch of nonsense I've read here in a long time.

Let's start with this one: Donald Trump wasn't actually running for Congress in 2020; he was running for President. Maybe this will refresh your memory:

So 100% of your post, of the article you quoted, of pretty much everything you say about how congressional elections are run had absolutely nothing to do with presidential elections, right?

So let's talk about what the Constitution says about presidential elections; don't you think that would be more appropriate in this discussion?

Article II, Section 1, Clause 2:​

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Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.​

You said that the courts have interpreted the word Legislature to mean anything the left wants it to mean instead of the actual voted for and elected representatives of the people but you didn't provide any cases or links. Surely you're not suggesting that the Supreme Court or the Constitution or the Founders or anyone with half a brain considers anyone or thing other than the actual legislature of the states to be the legislature, are you?

The meaning of Legislature is quite clear and it means one thing only.

As for delegation, The OP, in post #1, already demonstrated that there was no delegation of authority to change the rules for voting, thus the court rulings against the unconstitutional procedure changes. The US Supreme Court also ruled last month, that the Congress must explicitly delegate a specific decision or authority and that they can't generally delegate power to make any just any regulation they wish. Presumably, the same interpretation of delegation would, on federal matters such as elections and Electoral College delegates, be applied to state legislatures.

 

[meaner gene]

If things like chain of custody are needed to secure the integrity of the mail-in ballots. Why don't they require chain of custody to secure the integrity of MONEY?

They do. That's the whole reason Blockchain exists

There is no chain of custody when it comes to money (as in dollar bills) The bill like the mail-in ballot is it's own certification of authenticity, independent of how it got there.

Well, there you go. You just proved my point.

Actually the whole chain of custody is a bogus issue, whether for votes or for the currency.