Court of International Trade puts Trump tariffs on hold

Will Trump ignore this court order?

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You don't understand. Leftards won't stop. They're cray-cray. They need to be slapped down. Hard.

With each passing day, the motives and methods of the Left move closer and closer to align with those of a terrorist organization like ISIS or Hamas. They have even begun blowing stuff up and burning it down while shooting at people. And now they are even supporting and backing known specific and general MS13 and TdA gang members getting into the country too. And what is the first thing a democrat says when opposed? Then threaten you bodily. They say they are coming to get you. And I'm talking about top elected officials.
 
I'm not. Because that insubordination wouldn't be limited to the lower courts, it could extend to SCOTUS.

And when this insubordination gets brazen enough, laws will have literally no meaning.
Laws have no meaning ALREADY.

We're you asleep during the Biden administration?
 
Laws have no meaning ALREADY.

We're you asleep during the Biden administration?
I was wide awake, and it taught me all too well their meaning and why they should be upheld. How Biden's politburo committed sacrilege against the most sacred office of the Presidency and abused its power, totally disregarding the Constitutional limits set upon it. It showed me we cannot be the greater evil, but the greater good, the counterbalance.

Do not be the evil you wish to confront. I would never forgive myself if I did. I can be crass and childish sometimes, but even I know when to take a step back and learn the value of restraint.
 
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I was wide awake, and it taught me all too well their meaning and why they should be upheld. How Biden's politburo committed sacrilege against the most sacred office of the Presidency and abused its power, totally disregarding the Constitutional limits set upon it showed me we cannot be the greater evil, but the greater good, the counterbalance.

Do not be the evil you wish to confront. I would never forgive myself if I did.

Politics is about power. It's not about turning the other cheek. Leftards seem to think they can make up their own rules, without the approval of the People. The only control on that is the application of sufficient power. Power is like a gun, it's neither good nor evil on its own, it depends what it's being used for and who's pulling the trigger.

Leftist excess is plainly dangerous, it's threatening my children. In many ways. From the transgender bullshit to the illegals flipping the bird at everything that's American. Couple that with the reality that Congress is completely broken, and we have a real problem. I'm not willing to sit around and wait for the off chance that Congress might grow a brain. I'm more inclined to let the President stretch the law as far as it will go, without actually breaking it. Which seems to be what's happening.
 
Politics is about power. It's not about turning the other cheek.

No, but politics shouldn't always be revenge, should it? If we lose ourselves in our vengefulness, are we not as wrong as those who wronged us?
 
Leftist excess is plainly dangerous, it's threatening my children.
Revenge is the greater threat. I don't abide by it, personally. I know there are greater mechanisms in this world that will overcome those who wrong me, just like they did by knocking those leftists out of power in the last election.
 
No, but politics shouldn't always be revenge, should it? If we lose ourselves in our vengefulness, are we not as wrong as those who wronged us?
I don't look at it as revenge.

I look at it as protecting my kids.

I'm not going to go prowling the streets looking for victims, that would be revenge.

But if someone tries to rob me they'll get robbed first. Considering that the police are always a mere half hour away
 
I don't look at it as revenge.

I look at it as protecting my kids.

I'm not going to go prowling the streets looking for victims, that would be revenge.

But if someone tries to rob me they'll get robbed first. Considering that the police are always a mere half hour away
Preventing robbery by committing robbery isn't practical.

If we're driven to commit crime to stop crime, then that's when the law becomes meaningless, not before.
 
Preventing robbery by committing robbery isn't practical.

If we're driven to commit crime to stop crime, then that's when the law becomes meaningless, not before.

With respect, you're still missing the point. The law has already been broken when the perp tried to rob me. It's no longer a question of upholding the law, now it's a question of power.

Look, we didn't defeat the Nazis by suing them in court, we had to bomb the shit out of them because they wouldn't stop. We had to kill millions of people to get rid of the problem. That's an extreme example but it makes the point, yes?
 
The law has already been broken when the perp tried to rob me
Yes? But do you stoop to the level of the robber, or rise to the level of the law enforcement who come to your aid? If you stop or kill the robber, you have fulfilled the law in self defense. If you rob the robber, you have broken it all the same as he did. You'll find he took more than your belongings.


Look, we didn't defeat the Nazis by suing them in court, we had to bomb the shit out of them because they wouldn't stop.
No, but they violated the order of things. They alone made themselves a threat. Violence was the only recourse to re-establish order. The reaction to them was just.

But there is a continuum of force we must use on varying levels of threats. Liberals who vote for a corpse to be president are a greater threat to me than liberals who ***** and moan at me on a political board. Those who would have power at the cost of sacrificing their humanity and other human beings in the process are the greater threats. But one thing I don't stop doing is failing to recognize them as human, like me.

And what do you do with threats like that? You vote them out of office. You don't stoop to their tactics. You don't become the evil you wish to confront. The example you cited, war, is an exception that proves the rule. It does not violate it. Revenge is often detrimental, killing is no different as it is in war.

We had to kill millions of people to get rid of the problem. That's an extreme example but it makes the point, yes?
I find that one's humanity, once lost, is more tragic than losing it a million times over. I will not do it. It is genuinely horrifying to me. The mechanisms in this universe are greater than any one collective of human beings, and it will not hesitate to swat us out of the way. That's how I see impertenent people in politics. People who grew too complacent in their power were swiftly expunged from the system in this last election, now the remnants flail with rage and search for a nonexistent solution to it. They are already paying a steep price for their antics. I won't act like one of them.

And excuse the longevity of my answer, but I felt like you deserved a detailed response, given you took the time to respectfully engage me.
 
It's no longer a question of upholding the law, now it's a question of power.
You have greater power when your actions are backed by the law, there is no question. Self-defense is backed by the law, robbery is not.
 
Biden was an 82 year old bitter fart who acted like he was 92.
Trump is a happy, 78 year old guy who acts like he is still 58.
Must be from having the loving of a good woman.
Ivana, Marla, or Melania?

Or Stormy? 😁
 
Yes? But do you stoop to the level of the robber, or rise to the level of the law enforcement who come to your aid? If you stop or kill the robber, you have fulfilled the law. If you rob the robber, you have broken it all the same as he did. You'll find he took more than your belongings.



No, but they violated the order of things. They alone made themselves a threat. Violence was the only recourse to re-establish order. The reaction to them was just.

But there is a continuum of force we must use on varying levels of threats. Liberals who vote for a corpse to be president are a greater threat to me than liberals who ***** and moan at me on a political board. Those who would have power at the cost of sacrificing their humanity and other human beings in the process are the greater threats. But one thing I don't stop doing is failing to recognize them as human, like me.

And what do you do with threats like that? You vote them out of office. You don't stoop to their tactics. You don't become the evil you wish to confront. The example you cited, war, is an exception that proves the rule. It does not violate it. Revenge is often detrimental, killing is no different as it is in war.


I find that one's humanity, once lost, is more tragic than losing it a million times over. I will not do it. It is genuinely horrifying to me. The mechanisms in this universe are greater than any one collective of human beings, and it will not hesitate to swat us out of the way. That's how I see impertenent people in politics. People who grew too complacent in their power were swiftly expunged from the system, now the remnants flail with rage and search for a nonexistent solution to it. I won't act like one of them.

And excuse the longevity of my answer, but I felt like you deserved a detailed response, given you took the time to respectfully engage me.
You seem like a moral person. I respect that.

Regarding the current politics, what do we do with people who insist on circumventing the law?

Per the hypothetical, if you stop the robber and turn him over to the law, and then a disrespectful DA refuses to prosecute or a disrespectful judge lets him go, nothing has been accomplished and justice has not been served. Very likely the robber will the continue his crime spree, injuring even more people.

I suppose you could say my solution is a form of vigilante justice, which we probably agree is not the preferred solution. However the perpetrator gets instant negative reinforcement and hopefully feels deterred in carrying out future crimes.

What else can one do when the system has been gamed to the point that it can't succeed? We don't have state actors anymore, we have a bunch of individuals who think they're kings and make up the law as they go along. Many of them are in positions of power and responsibility, elected or otherwise. Mayors tell their police chiefs not to enforce the law, this is currently happening in dozens of cities across the country. If I were the police chief I might just resign, but others would rather not lose their jobs.

Ultimately I blame a lot of this on money in politics, but I live and work in LA where the problem comes down to random individuals you meet when crossing the street. I'm a nice guy, I let people get away with a lot, but I'm not so nice when it comes to my kids, or generally old people or people who can't defend themselves.

Our society depends on the willingness of people to agree to and support the rules. Once that's gone it becomes very difficult to raise a family, because stability is needed to succeed with that.
 
Per the hypothetical, if you stop the robber and turn him over to the law, and then a disrespectful DA refuses to prosecute or a disrespectful judge lets him go, nothing has been accomplished and justice has not been served. Very likely the robber will the continue his crime spree, injuring even more people.
And there would be a distinct likelihood that the robber would run into someone armed and meet his end even if that happened. That, scruff, is one of the universal mechanisms I spoke about. He would ultimately be stopped by someone who is willing to kill to defend themselves, their families, and their possessions.

If the DA won't act, there are other laws by which the citizens can use to bypass the malfeasance of the authorities.
 
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Our society depends on the willingness of people to agree to and support the rules. Once that's gone it becomes very difficult to raise a family, because stability is needed to succeed with that.
My advice (and I don't really think I'm qualified to give it) is to focus on your own family's stability.

What I can see now with our politics is that our country is in the process of vomiting out the leftist politics of the last 15 years.
 
I suppose you could say my solution is a form of vigilante justice, which we probably agree is not the preferred solution. However the perpetrator gets instant negative reinforcement and hopefully feels deterred in carrying out future crimes.
What if I told you that if you act in self-defense, and you wind up killing him in the process, that it isn't vigilantism?

That only happens if you go out and hunt him.
 
What else can one do when the system has been gamed to the point that it can't succeed?
The thing is, if you kill him in self-defense, it has succeeded, has it not? You would more than likely be exonerated for it. Not even the DA could stop that, and if they tried, public outcry would more than likely cause him or her to back down.
 
What if I told you that if you act in self-defense, and you wind up killing him in the process, that it isn't vigilantism?

That's why I just want to rob him. Turn the tables, do to him what he tried to do to me. If I kill him it becomes national news, if I just rob him he's not going to the cops and neither am I, we both stay off the airwaves that way. :p

That only happens if you go out and hunt him.

Yeah. I won't do that. I spent some years chasing cyber crooks, they're like hydras, chop off one head and three grow back.

As you say, I just want to raise my family in peace. Just keep the predators away, that's sufficient. Usually I apply power sparingly and in a highly focused manner, but there are certain things that just piss me off. One such thing is the abuse of children, and second maybe abuse of the elderly.

I hope you're right and things change on the ground. One wouldn't know it walking around East Hollywood, but there's still time. Maybe DJT will succeed and even immigrants will get a boost. There's a lot of Salvadorans in Hollywood who have no love for gang bangers, they're just trying to raise their families just like I am. They don't complain too loud about the deportations, they walk their kids to school and make sure the homeless junkies don't set up shop in the neighborhood park.
 
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